/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11268211
exactly pi*e^i - 1 thirds of decades

>>11268211
>immortality
infinity is a long time, especially towards the end
https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA?t=3m

>>11268211
60 more years

>>11268211
Immortality will never exist.

t. Life Extensionist

>>11268211
>>>/church/ is that way

>>11268262
>go nuts and waste even the short time you have

>>11268233
Give me a thousand years and we're set.

>>11268233
This. Something will kill you, whether it be a natural disaster or being murdered. The best you can hope for is life extension which is in its infancy and most of us probably won't reap its benefits.

>>11268211
There are immortal things already. Eukaryotes are just not one of them.

When will the majority of /sci/ finally understand generalities of this world and finally dive into specifics and real technical details? Do people leave this site when turn 30 years old or something? It's like the median age of poster on 4chan is 20 years old.

>>11268233
what's your stack?

>>11268214
[math]{pi}*e^{-1}[/math]
[math]{pi}*e^{-1+i*0}[/math]
[math]=-{pi} years[/math]
Assuming you're not thinking that we'd live long enough to see the eternal recurrence of the universe as predicted by poincare then it is assumed that we'd have to be immortal to achieve immortality, which makes enough sense as the white bird is white.

>>11268942
>1)
Proper exercise. Weight lifting 3 days a week, HIIT cardio the other 3, sunday off. In terms of life extension, you only really need the cardio.
>2)
Proper Mediterranean diet. No refined sugars or fats, or any processed foods at all, really. IMPORTANT: only eat the bare minimum of protein you need to build muscle (if that's your goal). It sounds like bullshit, but the less protein the better, in terms of epigenetic signals for inducing cell repair.
>3) fasting, or intermittent fasting. The most popular IF schedule being 16:8; for 16 hours of the day you withhold eating, and then for 8 hours of the day (1pm-9pm) you eat just as you would normally. Don't keep this stuff a secret with your doctor, and make sure you're still eating enough total Calories and nutrients.
>4)
Stay either too cold or too hot, often. Cold showers might be beneficial if you can tolerate it. You may consider this to be uncomfortable. That's ok. Your body will signal to repair and defend it's cells in the same way that exercise and fasting will, and that's what this is all about.

I don't really take supplements for a few reason
1) cost
2) idk what I'm deficient in
3) i haven't done my research
But anything that's an antioxidant or anti-inflammatory should be beneficial.
I don't mind taking omega-3's or turmeric with a meal though.

The goal with all of this is to keep you healthy until scientists create true age-reversal technology, which is not as far off as you might expect.

All of the information in this post is pretty much described in this video, which is based of the research led by Prof. David Sinclair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt7LjqJ45k

>>11268211
>How long will it take for scientists to invent immortality already?
exactly one Planck second longer than your maximum lifespan

>>11268211
Dude doctors have a hard enough time diagnosing treatable conditions, how are they going to have the expertise to do that AND properly evaluate whats causing you to age?

Best thing to do at the moment is freeze yourself and hope someone figures out how to repair all the damage in a few centuries time.

>>11270117
It seems pretty promising, but when he said he's "50 but biologically 31" it made me skeptical although he does look good for 50 years old. I'll have to keep an eye on his gene therapy work to see what comes to fruition. Thanks for sharing, I think I might give it a go

>>11268211
We're already immortal
Our conception of defined and separated self is illusionary

>>11270117
>turmeric
Google lead in turmeric.

>>11270340
Unfortunate :/

>>11270340
Alright, I actually did look it up just now. Just make sure your tuneric isn't coming from Bangladesh and your good.
But, honestly, I won't be taking tumeric anymore unless it's grown in the U.S. or other 1st world nation.

In other news, another reason to resent brown people countries.

>>11270510
Is there something specifically wrong with turmeric from Bangladesh?

>>11270117
What about fasting for a whole day then 16:8 the following day? Is long fasts of benefit do you think? Makes eating properly harder though.

>>11268233
Not with your bullshit approaches. You skipped right into the hyper complex stuff without researching the basic stuff first, like the increasing amounts of calcium/decreasing amounts of magnesium with age (various disorders, including heart disease and some cancers, which means it shoudl absolutely be solved first, as it would buy as possibly a few decades of extra life), copper depletion in brain (dementia), iron (diabetes, organ failure).

You are trying to build the house from the roof down.

>>11270528
Producers are cutting it with lead chromate pigments. I believe it's to reduce costs

>>11270117
Generally good information, what HIIT do you recommend? Antioxidants also don't work. Got any more info on proteins? Haven't heard that before, although ideally a diet of keto food with low protein seems ideal. Won't matter with peptides though they will probably cure obesity and lots of death related illness with more research. Truly miraculous things. Look this up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitalon Vladimir who discovered them uses them himself as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Khavinson
I was arguing about someone about this, basically he said if you don't have a reason to live that long, don't. In a way I agree, all my friends will die but he sounded really angry when I mentioned stuff like cold showers.
Age reversal would be amazing, but I don't know what that entails. Will I redo high school? I it's a lot of childish ideas but I would like a good puberty where I am not height stunted, but that's silly isn't it? I slept around a lot but I'm still insecure but I doubt this would make me more secure.

>>11270528
Yes, what >>11271058 said is correct, although what I read implied it was just for the color.
>>11270724
24hr fasts exists, although I believe most people do an on/off approach with that. You're not trying to be hypoglycemic here, and the best fasting routine will be a balancing act.
In other words: I don't know which strategy increases NAD+ the most, so pick the one you can maintain healthily. NAD+ stands for "Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide", and is what we're after when we fast. Read about the benefits here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5107309/
And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6277084/

>>11270911
>supplements
One day I'll worry about it. Not tonight though.

>>11271087
I'll respond to you more later, but for now, here's what I know. The "limit your protein" stance was taken from the youtube interview with Sinclair linked at the end of >>11270117. I suppose it is just a another physiological response that promotes the production of NAD+ coenzimes. Here's a study that talks about it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6095538/
And here's one that says protein is still pretty important for longevity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772850/
So honestly I'm gonna take the middle road again and only take what I need to build muscle.

>>11268211
Immortality is a complex solution.
They have already discovered some elements of it, and many of them say that this decade is when people stop aging.

>>11268211
But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

>>11268211
>>11271183
Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

>>11268211
>>11271184
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

>>11270128
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>11271183
>>11271184
>>11271187
why not just build a robot GF and live out your days as a cyborg NEET instead of having to "Compete" with this robot hive-mind?

You don't understand that this all doesn't need to be completely unthinkably insane and a robotic free-for-all.

>>11271157
You fast, but you don't worry about nutrition?

>>11268262
Jewish affabulations will not solve the problem

How about we make being alive fun first

>>11268942
What?

>>11268211
>How long will it take for scientists to invent immortality already?
Everyone got together and decided to not finish immortality research until the day after you're put in the ground.

>being afraid of death

It's not as if non-existence is going to be bad for you. Just accept your mortality and use the time you have rather than living for some immortality you'll never see.

Also, Aubrey De Grey is a hack fraudster.

>>11274504
In the nootropic community, a stack is a list of supplements one takes

>>11274689
> It's not as if non-existence is going to be bad for you. Just accept your mortality and use the time you have rather than living for some immortality you'll never see.
But the question arises: what is the point of living if it leads to nothing? Why not just end it like right now? You are going to become nothing (no experience, no qualia) anyway.

>>11275511
Don't you find it liberating, that in the end it doesn't matter what you do? Try and enjoy yourself. You've been given a few decades of consciousness in a universe that is hostile to life. Have fun and make every day count.

>>11276839
>Try and enjoy yourself.
In the world where nothing is free, who enjoys the most? Parasites?
Are you telling to become a parasite?

>>11268233
I really despise this pedantic language bullshit. You can't talk about breakthroughs in understanding the aging process, how the body can be regenerated by reactivating processes that were on in a previously youthful state, clearing up metabolic damage and how preventative care can help alleviate the oncoming alzheimers/dementia crisis we're all about to hit without some faggot fuck screaming "BUT IF YOU GOT SMOOSHED BY A BIG STEAM ROLLER YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE SO IMMORTALITY IS IMPOSSIBLE CHECKMATE YOU FUCKING IDIOT WOW IM SO GODDAMN SMART"

>>11278018
holy fucking shit anon i'm super impressed. i've been toying with a diabetic reaction my whole life and have been actively destroying myself to the point of gastroparesis and figuring out how to reverse it WHILE STILL EATING LIEK ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT. I got this shit mastered so much that i'm actually getting tired of eating junk food. Liek, i'm fucking tired of chewing it. It's fucking exhausting, i used to love ramming shovel fulls of potato chips down my throat but im just so fucking tired of fucking chewing at this point

If immortality existed, only the rich would ever get it.

>>11268211

>Immortality through Mind Uploading

>Silicon Valley billionaire, 32, pays $10,000 to be KILLED so the contents of his brain can be digitally uploaded and preserved forever

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5503045/Tech-billionaire-pays-10K-die-brain-uploaded-online.html?ito=email_share_article-top


>The rich will become ‘God-like cyborgs’: Historian claims the wealthy will transform into a new type of human within 200 years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3096393/The-rich-God-like-cyborgs-Historian-claims-wealthy-transform-new-type-human-200-years.html?ito=email_share_article-top


>Russian Tycoon Aims to Make Immortality a Reality Using Robots

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/id/100559031