/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11151943
*whites don't only have some facial features unique to them

>>11151943
If I have a roman nose, and I look at the faces of other people who do not have roman noses, then the fact that they do not have roman noses could be called a facial feature that they have in common, yes. How dense are you?

think it's because of the noses, whites all have very different noses.
Meanwhile blacks always have big flat noses, and asians have very small noses.

Explain these guys

>>11152123
ultimate survival race to live of the land

black, white, asian fusion

>>11152123
Heavy North Asian Neanderthal admixture from the Beringian protocivilization.

>>11152123
Here it seems obvious it's because their eyes are way too up, instead of being in the middle of their face as usual. Modern Cheyenne do not seem to be like that, BTW.

>>11151943
Perhaps it's the flat nose

>>11151943
>Black albino in photo
So is this.

>>11152123
he’s finnish

>>11152265
Literally no difference to whites

>>11152265
S-she's fucking hot, /sci/ros

>>11151943
Southeast Asians have some admixture with Negritos

>>11152164
>black
Not being pale doesn't automatically make them have black admixture.

>>11152313
I once saw an old anthropological description which went along the lines of
>africans have coarse and kinky hair, asians have coarse hair and melanesians have kinky hair

>>11152313
no that is the leftover from first wave of thru indian coastal migration
proper asian took a longer detour

>>11152265
Blacks are more diverse than other races because they didn't go through the Founder Effect. You should expect most of them to be protohominds and some of them to be anatomically modern humans, which is exactly what we find.

>>11152176
Isn't it true that they are nearly identical to Europeans before the wheel and big time farmers came at about 6000 years ago.

>>11152495
Certain ancient Europeans and ancient Americans do have a close resemblance, yes.

>>11152495
>they are nearly identical to Europeans before the wheel and big time farmers came at about 6000 years ago.
no, epi-gravettian culture was distant from
central asian faggots.

>>11151943
black faces and asian faces share depressed nasal root and lack of browridges due to 0 (zero) neanderthal influence.

Whites evolved from proto-caucasoids

Blacks evolved from the ones who stayed in apefreaka

Asians evolved from abos(which were an offshoot from africans / indians)

>>11152893
Asians are more Neanderthal than Euros.

>>11152960
proofs?

>>11152893
And middle easterners?

>>11152969
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6363/655
>As described (25), East Asians carry somewhat more Neandertal DNA (2.3 to 2.6%) than people in Western Eurasia (1.8 to 2.4%).
Here you go.
>>11153034
Middle Easterners are similar to Euros.

>>11153063
And western eurasians have individuals in TOP 10 with the most neanderthal DNA

https://theoutline.com/post/6241/what-does-it-mean-to-have-neanderthal-dna

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/at-5-neanderthal-you-are-an-outlier/263475/


Western eurasians have more, much more neander than reduced asians with abo ancestry.

Furthermore you also have denisovan ape in you, which downgrades that neanderthal DNA.
you are not neanderthal.
If you were, you would have head long heads, not fucking box heads like you do when you look in the mirror.

>>11153063
And western eurasians have individuals in TOP 10 with the most neanderthal DNA

https://theoutline.com/post/6241/what-does-it-mean-to-have-neanderthal-dna

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/at-5-neanderthal-you-are-an-outlier/263475/


Western eurasians have more, much more neander than reduced asians with abo ancestry.

Furthermore you also have denisovan ape in you, which downgrades that neanderthal DNA.
you are not neanderthal.
If you were, you would have had long heads, not fucking box heads like you do when you look in the mirror.


>>11153034
>And middle easterners?
they're the basal eurasians, or proto caucasoids that retained their archaic traits and never evolved in a colder climate.


>>11153063
>Middle Easterners are similar to Euros.
not quite.
It's like saying, indonesians/SEAs are similar to north asians/koreans.

>>11151943
>asians and blacks have something in common that whites don't

I don't see it. Asians and blacks look very different to me. Compare for example, and asian woman to a black woman. The former tend to be much more feminine.

>>11153063
>https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6363/655
Im afraid this data ages quite rapidly. I am white and 3.9 percent Neanderthal. Not a drop of asian.

>>11153109

>>11153110
Nah. This is still up to date as the average. You being an outlier doesn't change that Asians have more on average.

>>11153110
also, eastern europeans are less neanderthal than western ones.

Remember the brünn plates that Coon used to talk about that they're Neanderthal, one even had neanderthal metrics like facial size and head size.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate04.htm

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/Plate%204.jpg cranial metrics

only asians will deny this and call it pseudoscience.
The brünn men show affinities to neanderthals for a reason, that being they're over 3% neander, more than asians.

>>11153119
Khoisan haplogroup is older than niger-congo haplogroups.

>>11153136
you are not neanderthal, you are denisovan ape mostly.

>>11153110
>Im afraid this data ages quite rapidly.
this too
most of the anglo users of 23andme always score 70% or 90% more neanderthal variants than the average.
I've seen it often.

>>11153136
tell me smart boy, if the azns do have more neander than whites, why no asian faggot ever scored the highest neanderthal DNA until now?
it's literally only western eurasians having the most neanderthal DNA every time, on 23andme or any test site.

>>11153137
How much neantherdal blood do middle easterners have and is it mitochondrial?

>>11153119
Did the san ever leave africa?

>>11153159
I* hunter gatherers mixed with neanderthals in europe resulting the modern phenotypes called CM or cro-magnon derived, such as brunn,borreby,faelid, with strong eyebrows.
But exceptions in the MENA region exist, remember the Qafzeh and Skhul, there are people who score a lot of neanderthal in middle east too, but not as much as the western europeans(who have a lot of it)

>>11153143
>you are not neanderthal, you are denisovan ape mostly.
Hrm? I'm not Asian, and Asians only have about 0.2% Denisovan DNA.
>>11153153
How many Asian scores have you catalogued?

>>11153171
answer the question you fag.
It seems you don't like the facts.

Asians show no phenotypic neanderthal traits lmao. They're just heavily neotenized with bulging eyes and epicanthic folds on them to make it look small. And a microcephalic short head length.

>>11153174
Show me the data and I'll look through it. It could just be Western Europeans are more likely to show off their Neanderthal score.

>>11153168
Don't think so. I see half your point, I think.

>>11153176
Of course they don't. Want to know why? Neanderthal DNA exists in such low percentages in all humans that it barely shows at all.
>>11153170
Ancient Homo Sapiens in general had relatively strong brows, even without Neanderthal mixture. Even purely within Africa.

>>11153179
>I'll look through it
You should be looking at people's 23andme tests who are posted on the internet, every time there's an anglo or irish guy scoring over 98% neanderthal variants.

and take in consideration these links I posted >>11153137

I literally never heard about asian men/women scoring over 95% neanderthal variants on 23andme.
Show me one and I'll fall to this retarded meme and bait as if asians are more neanderthal than whites.

>>11153136
This is me. Ok. I can accept that. I'm no expert.

>>11153190
>Ancient Homo Sapiens in general had relatively strong brows,
not an argument. They were only ancient, it evolved to have more hypsicranic and lest pronounced browridges in the end.

Every ancient population shared this trait called ""very strong browridges"" even asians did, at some point until they got reduced to zero and looking like some cartoons(as they do now).

>>11153197
he's lying with no shame.
He's just using the PC trolling.

>>11153190
>it barely shows at all.
well, it does show in these persons >>11153137

I bet if they were tested, they would show like 4% neander.

>>11153191
How many Asian 23andme tests can you find?
>>11153201
That's rather my point. Strong ridges aren't especially tied to Neanderthal DNA.

I rather doubt East Asians would have the most Neanderthal variants, as Neanderthals primarily lived in Europe and the Middle East.

>>11153212
I figure but I'm not going to bother. One of you can do a better job.

there's one

www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/3x8fs6/neanderthal_variants_percentage_question/

but still, shows no match with the europeans(who usually score 50% or more)

>>11153243
whatever femboy, believe outdated studies.

Africans, Asians, and Caucasians do have different facial structures because skull shape is different. Its because these groups experienced geographical isolation as they evolved, so the shape of the head varies slightly. Its actually really cool and its a way that bones of a victim can be identified in a crime scene

>>11153237
That's what common sense would say, but the scientific studies show otherwise. Maybe the scientists looking into this shit are fucking it up, and anecdotes from random postings by 23andme users are more reliable.
>>11153243
I'm not even being PC about this shit.
>>11153248
Do they? Who is the primary user base of 23andme? Who is most likely to post their Neanderthal score? I'll try looking for even more up to date studies, but this seems questionable right now.

>>11153262
Maybe the scientist also included the less-neanderthal ""western"" eurasians such as borderline caucasoid russians or north africans with basal eurasian.

>>11153262
>Who is the primary user base of 23andme?
I would like to know the reference population too.

>>11153261
Yeah this too, there are ways to identify the cranium and its race.
Such as nasal spine, eye orbit forms, mandible.

>>11153261

>>11153278
>Maybe the scientist also included the less-neanderthal ""western"" eurasians such as borderline caucasoid russians or north africans with basal eurasian.
It would be nice if we could see it all by region.
>I would like to know the reference population too.
Add methodology and database to that as well. I've heard different companies give different results, or that results aren't always consistent.

It looks like 23andme does have average percentages by population on their site, but I don't know where to find them except in random screenshots.

>>11153262
>not even being PC
Maybe you're not but, I'm sure they have to be pretty careful with the data. My people are from Germany. I'm 3.9%. Whatever that means.
>>11153251
Im sure that I could rip you in two.

>>11152313
I want to fuck a papuan negrito cannibal girl

>>11153352
I don't think this is something they need to be super careful about for political reasons. Popsci tends to even exaggerate the role of Neanderthal DNA in Europeans. Anyhow, I've found random screenshots of results from 23andme that show comparisons to averages for populations, but the screenshot showing average Eastern Asian DNA was from 2012.

That concerns me, since measurement of Neanderthal DNA in studies has been refined over the years. In 2010, it was presented as 1-4%. In 2014, it was presented as 1.5-2.1%. 2017 is this one.
>>11153063
>As described (25), East Asians carry somewhat more Neandertal DNA (2.3 to 2.6%) than people in Western Eurasia (1.8 to 2.4%).
23andme seems to use the model that results in 1-4% from what I can see on their site and how they describe it. I don't know much about their methodology, but I'd keep that in mind.

>>11152123
Same guy perhaps, notice bone structure in jaw and cheekbone region and a "two-head". the nose is also very unique. Has more intellectual features than the rounder faced mexican/mayan natives

>>11153098
Idk, lebanese and some syrians/iranians are pretty european looking, much less distinct than SEAs-Koreans

>>11151943
nose and brows
but you also see some east africans with more caucasian facial features due to proximity with the middle east

>>11153431
>Popsci
Yeah, hell of I know. I guess I'm a puss if I don't argue. I did 23andme in December 2018. 3.9%. My dumbass prediction is that they fail to recognize some traits that may be identical to "Human." And, in the future, these percentages will continue to rise. ??? I am not /sci/. I could say that I am an engineer but, I got that through getting my hands dirty. I just watch CARTA and max planck institute videos while I'm sleeping.
>>11153552
A shame, we extincted those fuckers. Not even enough information to even be racist about it. I grew in a time and place to know a few and they are a different kind of people. Philosophically speaking.

>>11153624
Well, I'm just saying that different companies have different information in their databases and different ways to estimate their percentages. Since I don't know how good 23andme is, I can't really say much on that note.

But the point stands that East Asians either have more or comparable Neanderthal DNA to Europeans, but do not have huge brow ridges, giant noses, long craniums, or the other features people sometimes associate with Neanderthal DNA. The fact of the matter is that strong brows were a common trait in early Homo Sapiens, even if not at the level of Neanderthals, that got reduced over time and to varying degrees in different people and populations. A strong brow thus isn't an indicator of Neanderthal ancestry. Neither are other robust features, as Homo Sapiens began as far more robust than the average man alive now and became more gracile over time. Robust features just means being less gracilized.

I'm not saying that Neanderthal DNA doesn't contribute to morphology at all, but there's enough variation in the base Homo Sapiens DNA that it'd be difficult to distinguish in most cases. I think Neanderthal genes have been connected to longer skulls before, but Africans have a greater tendency towards long skulls than Europeans despite having next to no Neanderthal DNA.

>>11153731
>greater tendency towards long skulls
I quess that makes sense with the out of Africa theory. Have you done 23? It is fun. They blurb about how my earliest came from there but can't show anything in the actual data. I have one hell of an occipital bun. Just bumping. I have no beef with you. Interesting stuff.

>>11153731
>>11153767
Oh, they always do half price at thanksgiving. And that's about now.

>>11151943
Aliens

>>11153767
I haven't done it myself. Though with this discussion, I've started to wonder about sending DNA to two different companies to compare the results.

>>11153780
They have some noticeable differences in results
Perhaps due to algorithm use or which comparison samples they use

>>11153782
Yeah, I suspected as much after I started researching the numbers given. Still, it seems like they generally point in similar directions.

>>11153780
The "other one" don't check Neanderthals but, >>11153782
Is kinda right.

>>11151943
black faces aren't sort of like asian faces you fucking retards

>>11152265
looks jewish and in parts reminiscient of certain ginger women.

>>11153898
Where do you live? I disagree. I am surrounded by blacks and Asians in the sf Bay Area.

>>11153563

that's due to later European/Aryan invasion

>>11153563

Syria used to be christian and part of byzantine empire, back then Europeans freely traveled to syria.

>>11151943
You're just better trained at telling apart white faces.

>>11153731
Not all blacks have longer skulls.
There are blacks who have shorter skull than a nordid caucasoid.
Only specific black phenotypes have skulls longer than 200 mm.
It's misconception they have long skulls, it's like that just because their head breadth is too narrow. Like 140 mm, or 135mm, no european has a skull breadth like that.

>>11153581
northeast africans have eurasian DNA, they even score neanderthal variants lol.

>>11153552
I heard somewhere native americans are the most neanderthal population on planet.
It checks out, guy in your pic has a weird head shape and weird browridges.

>>11153898
yes they do, read here >>11152893
they have depressed sellion, both of them.

>>11151943
How is this science?

>>11153063
>>As described (25), East Asians carry somewhat more Neandertal DNA (2.3 to 2.6%) than people in Western Eurasia (1.8 to 2.4%).
I guess that may actually be from Denisovans, no?
>>11153098
>denisovan ape
No reason to call them apes. They could plausibly be the biggest brained humans to have ever lived.
>>11153109
Possibly, but I wouldn't call is more or less feminine and they are still closer to asians than whites; whites, including women tend to have visible brow ridges, black women rarely do.

>>11154436
>How is this science?
>anatomy
>/əˈnatəmi/
>noun
>noun: anatomy

> 1.
> the branch of science concerned with the bodily structure of humans, animals, and other living organisms, especially as revealed by dissection and the separation of parts.
> "he studied physiology and anatomy"

>the branch of SCIENCE

>>11152424
>Blacks are more diverse than other races because
??? Blacks literally all have the exact same facial features and share the same colour palette. They are the second least diverse race, the first being Asians.

>>11154408
>Not all blacks have longer skulls.
Sure. But even if some do, it proves that the condition exists without Neanderthal DNA. Neanderthals also had extreme prognathism and broad noses, which are features more common in Africans than Europeans. My point is just that you can't attribute every random robust or masculine feature to Neanderthal DNA. Africans themselves used to have more masculine and robust features than they do nowadays. It's the general ancestral condition which some retain more than others.
>>11154536
>I guess that may actually be from Denisovans, no?
People underestimate just how broad the Neaderthal geographic range really was. Also, interbreeding really wasn't as common as people often make it sound, and the percentages at which it exists indicate that it was actually quite rare. Anyhow, the slightly higher Neanderthal DNA indicates that the ancestors of Eastern Asians had a slight few more instances of introgression.

>>11151943
white people are the ugliest race no doubt

>>11151943
kek whites absolutely have unique facial features

some asians look like black people painted in yellow, they have the same ginormous nose and orc like features. which makes me wonder where the fuck they get those kpop stars with round eyes and other white-like features cause general population looks absolutely nothing like that

>>11154803
>All ______ people look the same

genetics affect facial structure. What a revolutionary idea. Great thread retards.

Yes, you can identify someone's race by facial bone structure. This is really not a question.

>>11155273
>>11155273
substitute race for ancestry if liberal just because those fags get butthurt on common speech due to brainwashing needs.

>>11154803
Black people from Nigeria, South Sudan, and Somalia look extremely different from each other.

>>11155287
Nigerians are often the closest to look almsot like Asians in blackface.

https://youtu.be/gacTRw58jy0

>>11152123
Looks like an Asian Neanderthal.

>>11153624
>When you get blamed for a genocide of a people that died of disease.

>>11155484
"We" did not mean "you" in this case. And we killed the fuck out of those guys. Disease played a big part and that wasn't an accident.

>>11155475
You might be right.

>>11155490
>Natives killing each other via boomsticks is somebody else their fault
>A disease that got spread uncontrollably by simply interacting with each other, must have been pure malice.
Ok retard.

>>11155510
That's not what we are talking about. Who's retarded?

>>11155273
This, and unsurprisingly there is very great variation in skin color, nose shape, eyes, and other facial features even within "pure races".

>>11155484
Native americans were long christianized by the spainiards before the anglos killed them.

>>11155599
>A strawman with zero sources.
Classic.

>>11155617
It seems to be rarely known but hard to dispute. Even Carlos Castaneda made the fatal mistake of not knowing the Yaqui wre christians and don't have anything like the Don Juan he described.

>>11155635
>It's hard to dispute if it can't be proven.
Lol.

>>11153767
>They blurb about how my earliest came from there but can't show anything in the actual data.

What are you talking about?

>>11156114
The give a rundown of percentages and haplo groups or what not. They mention the African ancestry on a generic form letter kind of thing but there is nothing of African ancestry in the actual data but for an obligatory like 0.05 or whatever it was but there is no description attached like there is for everything else. I quess, I repeat myself. Im not an expert. You should do 23 and me unless you have a foil hat.

>>11154847
>and the percentages at which it exists indicate that it was actually quite rare

Older populations had more Neanderthal DNA. Otzi has more than modern Europeans and there have even been bodies found with 50% Neanderthal DNA. I'm guessing most of it was flushed out over time due to natural selection.

>>11156170
It's 2019 and people still don't seem understand the Out of Africa theory completely. When people left Africa only a small group left hence why people outside of Africa have so little genetic diversity because not everybody left Africa. Also there have been migrations and further adaptations inside of Africa over the thousands of years of separation.

>>11156215
No shit Sherlock. I wasn't trying to be racist or anything.

>>11154902
>Using 19th century propaganda

Race traitor die

>>11156225
I know I was just bringing that up.

>>11156200
I actually found the source on that. It's been amended. I'm not sure about the 50% Neanderthals you're talking about.
>UPDATE (2015-10-21): This post has gotten some attention from social media recently, because Ötzi has been in the news. Later analyses have made clear that our initial estimates of Neandertal ancestry in the Ötzi genome are overestimates. The source of the overestimation was sequencing and alignment errors in the ancient genomes.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/neandertal_dna/neandertal-ancestry-iced-2012.html

>>11156345
Ah, the important bit.
>The true fraction of Neandertal ancestry in the Ötzi genome is elevated slightly compared to the average European but still within the range of living people, and somewhat closer to the average East Asian today.

>>11156267
Gomen Nasai. This place brings out the best in me.

>>11156345
>>11156351
I understand that Otzi is most like modern Sardinians. Guess they been isolated for a while. My Jap wife is 99.8 japanese but there is a bit of sardinian in there. I was gonna have a point but, Im drunk. Can you guess? She is a bitch so, I don't know if the can see all her DNAs because.. Idk how that works. But the asked if she had a brother.

>>11156423
Sardinians, from what I recall, are almost pure Neolithic farmer. So yeah, that makes sense to me.

>>11156423
Your only wife is your left hand asshole.
And jap women look like shit

>>11156445
There are literally mongols from mongolia who have 4% NORTH SEA on gedmatch k15 how do you explain that sherlock?

>>11156873
Based

>>11156396
Fucking retarded weebs

>>11156877
I was just commenting on Sardinians being like Otzi. The .2% noted in the Japanese person is well within the room of what could be explained by an error in the process. I don't know shit about Mongols or gedmatch. My interest is mostly prehistoric Europe.

>>11156885
What is a weeb and, are you calling me one?

>>11151943
Many shapes for faces exist within groups so it’s like, not simple. There’s blacks with more Anglo style noses for instance.

>>11153552
>intellectual features
>microscopic cranium

maybe intellectual compared to you

>>11154902
>where the fuck they get those kpop stars with round eyes and other white-like features cause general population looks absolutely nothing like that
they make them

there seems to be a few polfags here trying to convince people middle easterners aren't white

middle easterners (and nafris) are most definitely the same race as europeans - genetics AND skulls both confirm this

>muh albino blacks
why are polfags so retarded and literally always talking out both sides of their mouths

here's some arab albinos

afghan albino

indian albino

indian family with albinism

here's another albino arab

>>11158000
What's your point?

Why do all strawberry blonde women I see tend to have the same bland face?

>>11152265
She's Ethiopian you stupid nigger. Ethiopians are caucasoids with black skin. Their skull structure is different than with niggers.

>>11158910
Isn't that a catch-22? Of course someone with facial structure like white people would be Caucasoid. That's what the word means. However, some black people are Caucasoid.

>>11158004
>>11158011
>>11158051
Their non euro features are visible

The afghan looks half mongol

>>11159754
>>11158910
Horners have eurasian mixture and are like 25% caucasoid , not entirely kaukascoid

>>11151943
White plqyers have superior faces set to choose from.

>>11151943
Nose and lips are usually bigger/flatter on black and asian faces, maybe that’s what you see

>>11151943
It’s because you’re white and they’re not. What they have in common is that they’re different from you

>>11154803
They absolutely do not. I mean, you need to get out of the house and see some real people because speaking of human populations in the abstract like this is not good for you.
The color palette is huge, from very light skin to very dark, almost dark blue and facial features vary *widely*.
Asians are also very diverse. If you cannot tell the difference between chinese, japanese, vietnamese and, say, philippino, then, likewise, you should get out more.

>>11159977
nice posts, digits checked.

>>11159987
>>11159987
>Asians are also very diverse. If you cannot tell the difference between chinese,
so many retarded asianophiles in this thread...

asians have the same phenotypic diversity just like the africans. It's not like this only if you include indians as asians.

>>11160147
Asians do seem to have far more facial diversity than whites (as long as you ignore the media which seem to prefer very specific looks, often accompanied by surgery)

can someone please explain to me why people are posting literal albino people when we have the technology to change someone's skin color on photos?

are you retarded?

>>11160267
We're stupid. Teach us.

>>11160267
And what would I get by spending the time and effort doing that, when I can just look up photos of real albino people? Are you retarded?

>>11160147
I am not asianophile, I just happen to have grown up in a Chinatown-type district with asians of various origins.
It is pretty obvious if you meet enough people that there is a large amount of diversity of facial features to be found in all "races". Pretending otherwise is retarded

lmao