/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11109959
lol the best we got so far is things are pulling on things. If ever there was evidence that everything is connected in some weird fucking way (which string theory is trying to rectify), it's gravity.

>>11109972
>we
Who is we?

>>11109979
humanity. this is a fucking team effort whether you want it to be or not faggot

It's because of the graviton

>>11109959
>inb4 in the OP
Fucking newfags go back to plebbit

>>11110001
GTFO I'LL ARGUE SEMANTICS WITH YOU INB4'ING IN THE OP IS NOT JUSTIFICATION FOR EXPULSION TO FAGGOTLAND

>>11109959
Don’t know. Doesn’t matter.

>>11110023
No, matter does not.

>>11109983
>team effort where only 0.00001% of population contribute while 99.9999% of population slack off
Nice.

>>11110101
Welcome to reality /b/ro. You plannin on being a whiny little bitch about this for the rest of your life?

>>11109983
>Humanity
Lmao

Your mother OP

Every day until you like it

>>11110115
>reality is me taking your contribution
Nice samefag

>>11109959
inb4ing answers only prevent people from reply with said answers if you actually refute them beforehand, otherwise you are just stating that you won't consider them in spite of any arguments, thus making clear that attempting to discuss with you is waste of time.

>>11109959
Is it not an ok answer to say this is how science understands it now but it is not a complete understanding. Like im sorry that hundreds of years of physicists best efforts aren’t enough. Complicated phenomena require complex explanations and unless you want to put in the work to get a phd in physics stop bitching about how dumbed down explanations of something that is not completely understood by the best minds in the field doesnt meet your standards.

>>11110532
SO WHAT THE FUCK IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU FAGGOT? FACILITATING PROGRESSION OR BEING A WHINY LITTLE FAGGOT CAUSE YOUR EGO ISN'T BE STROKED? RHETORICAL QUESTION, YOU'VE ALREADY ILLUMINATED YOUR PREFERENCE LOL FUCK YOU NONE OF US MATTER PROGRESS MATTERS

>>11110358

>>11109983
>>11110839
>>11110850
Dude your boss should have you mopping the latrine. You have no fucking idea how to do this. Please learn to meme.

It's one thing to shill for ignorance blatantly, but to shill for ignorance poorly and blatantly is just disrespectful. I'm serious, this level of slop dick is not beneficial to compelling your argument. You're only making my point of view more appealing by opposing me with such weakness. No mental workout from engaging with you whatsoever. I feel like I'm trying not to look at a burn victim, reading your sub 70 IQ shitposts.
You've contributed nothing of value to this thread, your mere presence on this board is an offense that lowers the average IQ by at least 10 points.

>>11109986
The graviton is to the gravitational wave as the photon is to the electromagnetic wave. It's the same as saying the mechanism which causes the phenomenon of gravitation is gravitational waves. That doesn't satisfy the question.
For comparison, it would be like claiming that the mechanism which causes the phenomenon of electromagnetism is the photon.

>>11110023
I think it matters but if you feel that way how bout you don't reply in this thread or the subsequent duplicates to come ever again.

>>11109959
Nothing in the universe pulls. The sensation of pulling (gravity) can be equated to water finding and filling the lowest available altitude; it is pushed there by a pressure from above. If the Earth were to stop spinning, you'd be crushed. If 'gravity' were to cease, you'd but flung away by the Earth's centrifugal spin.

>>11111348
Good post, keep it going. What do you propose as a logical consequence? What is the conclusion?
What are the properties of the fluid medium in which the pressure is being mediated? How can it best be described?

Just remember that quantum mechanics is just code for "I don't know"
That's what quantum mechanics is for, to explain away confusing phenomena
"Ooo look at these strange results I don't understand .......I'll just say it's a quantum mechanics thing.

Gravity is just like magnetism or how negatively charged particles are attracted to oppositely charged particles,

The answer to "what is gravity" doesn't have a tangible answer other than
Mass attacts mass,
Same as the question "how does a south pole magnet attract a north pole"
Or why are electrons attracted to positrons

They just are, it doesn't have an answer, you are speaking as if there was a creator that designed gravity.

It's a universal natural force of attraction, you cannot expand the answer any more.

It's a like asking "what makes the absence of light dark"

There isn't a reasonable driving force to the universe, it's just natural law.

>>11109959

Hypotheses non fingo, motherfucker

>>11111371
>it doesn't have an answer
I doubt that but okay.
>>11111383
Based but also unsatisfactory. The suggestion that no hypothesis about the phenomena can be tested is a bit of a leap imo.

>>11111328
>You have no fucking idea how to do this. Please learn to meme.
LOL YOU SOUND LIKE THE WHINIEST LITTLE BITCH
> No mental workout from engaging with you whatsoever. I feel like I'm trying not to look at a burn victim, reading your sub 70 IQ shitposts.
You've contributed nothing of value to this thread, your mere presence on this board is an offense that lowers the average IQ by at least 10 points.
HOLY FUCK DOOD IF YOU PUSH YOUR HEAD ANY FURTHER UP YOUR OWN ASS YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A VACUOUS BLACK HOLE THAT'LL FUCK THE WHOLE UNIVERSE UP LOL

>>11111328
>You have no fucking idea how to do this. Please learn to meme.
LOL YOU SOUND LIKE THE WHINIEST LITTLE BITCH
> No mental workout from engaging with you whatsoever. I feel like I'm trying not to look at a burn victim, reading your sub 70 IQ shitposts.
>You've contributed nothing of value to this thread, your mere presence on this board is an offense that lowers the average IQ by at least 10 points.
HOLY FUCK DOOD IF YOU PUSH YOUR HEAD ANY FURTHER UP YOUR OWN ASS YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A VACUOUS BLACK HOLE THAT'LL FUCK THE WHOLE UNIVERSE UP LOL

>>11109959

>>11112040
oh god, i'm gonna fucking cum. Why the fuck can't people understand the limits of our god damned perception?

>>11112004
>Autistic screeching intensifies
>>11112040
To describe nature is a logical consequence of finding out how it is. It is necessary to find out how nature is before a description can be formulated. That's the scientific method.
Observation is followed by hypothesis.
The suggestion that physics (a description of nature) reveals nothing of how nature is, is* completely dumb, regardless of what is "the task" of physics. Please go shit up some other thread.

>>11112068
t.

>>11112068
>>Autistic screeching intensifies
SRSLY THOUGH HOW THE FUCK AM I GOING TO DRIVE MY POINTS HOME? RHETORICAL QUESTION I'M GONNA FUCKING SMASH MY POINTS IN WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER LOLOLOLOLOLOLL

>>11109959
>What is le mechanism which causes le phenomenon of gravitation?
spacetime curvature

>>11112075
>spacetime curvature
tldr; idk lol

>>11109959
Strings

>>11112070
>Quoting famous people on their opinions
Please get a vasectomy you sub human.
There is no authority here. No credibility. There is only argument and validity. Contribute something meaningful or fuck off my thread.
>>11112072
What point would that be? What the fuck is wrong with you? 4chan is not a trash can for all the retards that get btfo on plebit and tumbler. You don't belong here.

You can't kill this thread.
>>11112075
>>11112086

Feel obligated to put the business end of your sidearm against the roof of your mouth and fire.

>>11112090
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injury

>>11112090
>4chan is not a trash can for all the retards that get btfo on plebit and tumbler
UR RIGHT 4CHAN IS A TRASHCAN FOR THE AUTISTIC AND SOCIALLY INEPT TO SPERG OUT COMFORTABLY FUCK YOU
>What point would that be?
WHATEVER POINT I'M TRYING TO FUCKING MAKE
>You don't belong here.
LOL YA? WHAT THE FUCK YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? WHINE LIEK A BITCH? LOL MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

>>11112092
There is no credibility here,
you won't be able to dismiss my arguments even if you can somehow prove that I am actually a blind dog who is dictating replies to a highly skilled houseplant.
The character of the individual has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of their claims.
This is not an election, no solution can be erected on popularity, no conclusion can be compelled without justification.
No logical fallacy will be permitted to go unidentified, niggerkike.

>>11112094
>WHATEVER POINT I'M TRYING TO FUCKING MAKE

>>11112103
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/todd_rogers/files/political_extremism.pdf
http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/ideology-is-the-original-augmented-reality

>>11112119
Not clicking that shit, bitch.
Compel an argument, or fuck off back to /b/
Be prepared to answer for definitions of any terms I don't like. I will fucking annihilate you (rhetorically) if it's not air tight.

>>11112107
>Walk away in a dismissive fashion without any further interaction
GLAD TO HAVE ILLUMINATED ANOTHER WEAK-WILLED FAGGOTBOY. GROW A PAIR OF NUTS FAGGOTMAN.

>>11112122
>Not clicking that shit, bitch.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Costa3/publication/279427874_Conceptions_and_Correlates_of_Openness_to_Experience/links/5a159bae4585153b546c8f6b/Conceptions-and-Correlates-of-Openness-to-Experience.pdf

>>11112132

>>11112135

>>11112137
OLOLOOLLOLOLOLLO ANON YOU MADE MY DAY AND IT'S ONLY JUST BEGUN FUCK YA

>>11112138

>>11112141

>>11112132
>muh openness
>correlative study

Are you going to make an argument about the mechanism responsible for gravitation or are you just going to continuously heckle and troll?

>>11112144
>4chan is one person

>>11112144
https://georgjaehnig.wordpress.com/2018/04/13/questions-disagree-understand-why/

>>11112146
>i don't want to be bothered with helping people understand anything
FUCK YOU

>>11112150

>>11112153

Wow, reading you fucking retarded "science-enthusiasts" bitch about each other instead of coming to conclusions on the nature of gravity is a fucking amazing way to spend a saturday morning, please, keep it coming you materialist retards while the real movers and shakers of this planet get to work raising everyone's chi levels and vibratory patterns into unseen dimensional planes. It's like pottery, the materialists have no rhyme or reason other than to hurt each other in confusion, while the spiritual folk do all the real work. Keep on digging that hole, prole.

>>11112157
>Wow, reading you fucking retarded "science-enthusiasts" bitch about each other instead of coming to conclusions on the nature of gravity
THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE YOU WHINY LITTLE FAGGOT. BUT NO, HERE YOU ARE WHINING LIEK A CUNT BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU FEEL SUPERIOR. IS IT EVERYTHING YOU WANTED? DOES IT FEEL GUD?

>>11112155

>>11112157
Inconceivable.
I never dreamed the competition would be this inept, even in my wildest fantasies.
Try harder man of straw. I'm getting bored with the likes of (you).

>>11112144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

>>11110016
god i fucking hate reddit dude, it's a fucking normie factory, spewing out dumb shills. Getting on topic here gravity is simple, we exist as a system of complex waveforms over these quantum structures called trits, which are a multidimensional projection down from the E8 hyper crystalline lattice. Now where gravity comes in is the waves, the opening and closing 20 groups across this thing, like a stadium doing the wave, these waves then reflect off of the edges of reality and bounce around eventually coalescing into a system of standing waves we perceive as reality. Energy and matter alike all deal with this cymatic system. Because of entropy, these waves like to coagulate into matter and attract to one another, because they are reaching for ground state, a state of lowest energy, sharing vicinity means the energy of these oscillations can be consolidated, the closer they are, the exponentially less energy is expressed in these oscillations between the two. Essentially everything is a wave echoed from the big bang, and deflected off the edges of reality in a fractal feedback loop, the universe expressing itself in itself, as it spreads itself out until eventually heat death and the unraveling of reality itself into absolute nothingness from which it came, assuming us chimp cousins don't figure a way to hack the system and preventing it from happening, like that 90's movie hackers, except for all reality, and we have many trillions of years, instead of a week or whatever.

>>11110739
>only stops people from replying if...
>stops them from replying anyway
Heh.. nothan personell, kid.

Imagine being this autistic

>>11112180
I really should tease out your reasoning with the socratic method, but you already outed yourself by violating several of the >inb4's
Namely, extra dimensions and abstract math objects.
Still, feel free to explain your terms and your reasoning. That's what this thread is for after all.

>>11110101
>where only 0.00001% of population contribute
The rest of them prop up the society and technology which enables that tiny minority to go about their shit.

>>11111371
>Just remember that quantum mechanics is just code for "I don't know"
don’t project your idiocy

>>11112206
Quantum mechanics isn't so benign as that. It's a malignant cancer of the mind analogous to the nightmare envisioned by George Orwell, that 2+2=5.

>>11112167
You should probably get off of 4chan for a while, that finisher was pretty weak.

>>11109959
Its a grundnorm of physics, we dont know how it happens but it does. Its a part of the 4 fundamental interactions of physics

Though we start to know how it works through quantum physics and quantum gravitation

>>11111358
You described it yourself, a fluid medium. In the same sense there is more pressure the deeper you go under the ocean, we are at the lowest 'air pressure' on Earth being held down to the surface. However, it is not quite air that is providing this quality. If you were to suck the air out of a laboratory vacuum (the particles) you would still have something left inside the vacuum as it still has a measurable temperature. We could call this medium 'aer'.

>>11111338
What the actual fuck is this virgin vs chad about?

>>11111111

>>11109959
>explain some complex issue but I won't accept anything you say

I'll try anyway:
Energy, momentum, and mass interact with the background against which we measure them in such a way that the very notion of "spacetime distance" for objects near them changes.

>>11111348
>If the Earth were to stop spinning, you'd be crushed.

Yeah, people visiting the North/South Pole get crushed to death regularly.

>>11110101
Those guys wouldn't have time to work on their autismo project if the 99.9999% didn't grow their food and provided everything basically everything else.

>>11112349
This contention is integral to my metaphysics model. The difference in gravity at the geographic poles vs the equator is negligible but measurable. This negligible difference arises because the oscillations of fundamental particles occur at relativistic speeds, and their independent trajectory at such low speeds (yes low, relative to c) adds negligible angular momentum to their oscillations.
If the Earth suddenly stopped spinning, of course we would not be crushed, because the difference in gravitational field intensity, which corresponds to the mass energy of the Earth, will have changed by only a negligible amount. If mass is indistinguishable from acceleration, and we observe this truth about the insignificant difference in gravity between the poles and equator, we must conclude that the motions responsible for gravitational waves are occuring at relativistic speeds.

holy fuck how did i not get banned this tiem around

>>11112469
IS THIS REAL LIFE??? HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11112469
>>11112493

>>11112349
I never said that, did I.

>>11112754
great argument

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.0337.pdf

(2007) The Physical World as a Virtual Reality:

>The maximum speed a pixel in a virtual reality game can cross a screen is limited by the processing capacity of the computer running it. In general, a virtual world’s maximum event rate is fixed by the allocated processing capacity. In our world, the fixed maximum that comes to mind is the speed of light. That there is an absolute maximum speed could reflect a maximum information processing rate

>On a distributed network, nodes with a high local workload will slow
down, e.g. if a local server has many demands a video download may play slower than usual. Likewise a high matter concentration may constitute a high processing demand, so a massive body could slow down the information processing of space-time, causing space to “curve” and time to slow. Likewise, if faster movement requires more processing, speeds near light speed could affect space/time, causing time to “dilate” and space to extend. Relativity effects could then arise from local processing overloads.

https://youtu.be/gcvq1DAM-DE

>>11113794
>frame 1: pixel on leftmost side of the screen
>frame 2: pixel on rightmost side of the screen
This can't happen in nature, since spacetime is continuous. That comparison is either retarded or I don't understand the underlying argument.

>>11113794
Magical reasoning.
This is the same as suggesting there is no mechanism which causes the phenomenon of gravitation.
I guess I'll need to add another disqualifier for the next one.
>inb4 it's just a glitch in the simulation

>>11109959

>>11109959
dielectricty

>>11115233
>>11109959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KooPsEE7E-Q

>>11114459
this is true, the magnetic field holding it together weakens therefore it expands in size like taking a balloon out of the refrigerator ie noble gas laws. This is why the humans of the past (and animals) were giants

>>11113794
Your daily reminder that we probably do not live in a simulation.

https://motls.blogspot.com/2013/03/we-dont-live-in-simulation.html

https://backreaction.blogspot.com/2017/03/no-we-probably-dont-live-in-computer.html

>>11114459
Enumerate and define, please no one word replies.
>>11115233
I really didn't think I would need to add a disqualifier for consciousness posters, but I will next time.
>>11115239
h'what?
>>11115261
>blogspot
uhgck

>>11115236
>>11114459
>>11115239

are you retarded?

>>11115532
No just so much more advanced in knowledge than you we barely even speak the same language, I am as different to you as you are to chicken

>>11115390
You are like small children role playing like adults sigh

http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

OP can't inb4. Reddit is that way.

>>11115592
I won't inb4 again, but I will discourage replies from posters who will shit up my thread with unintelligible garbage like this consciousness schizo.
I'm actually totally reasonable, and I will consider any reply which is made with serious effort, even if it contradicts my preconceived notions.
I just want to prevent a circle jerk of one word replies followed by the lamented frustrations of like minded brainlets. For example
>spacetime
>this, you're retarded OP lol my dick is so huge it's insane
>/thread
I am open to the idea that I could be mistaken, and I want nothing more than for someone to show me the light, so to speak.
I will take time and consider each argument presented in these threads, but non-arguments will be met with hostility and directions to the relevant containment board. This is not a place for opinion, it is a place for dialectic.

negative energy

>>11115811
What is energy and how do you differentiate negative and positive energy?

>>11115654
So you've eliminated the common meeting grounds for these types of discussion, what do you expect? What kind of answer are you looking for?

Ur mums dogs sister is a faggot

Wow. This thread is a good reminder of why /sci/ just isn't worth browsing regularly

Gravity is the result of coherence of mass, a field interaction based in the underlying mechanic of mass itself. Dur. Mass could not "be" without gravity, and vice versa, so gravity is itself mass. Easy peasy, thanks for coming out

I unironically love how this thread turned out.
OP is a faggot and his threads should be spammed with bullshit.

>>11116153
Thank God you're not a regular here. That was pretty dumb.

>>11116153
>gravity is caused by a field interaction
oy
>based in the underlying mechanic of mass itself
which is?
>mass and gravity are indistinguishable
...
?

>>11112340
I don't know it's just something I saved because I found it amusing.
Here's another one.
It's nice to see a condensed form of someone's perspective that somewhat resembles my own. I like sharing images that are amusing even if it's not relevant.

>>11110769
>is it not an okay answer that [our understanding is incomplete]?
Correct.
>stop bitching
I'm not bitching.
>explanations... don't meet your standards.
Correct.

>>11116266
most theoretical physics and all metaphysics are both retarded.

one is a sci-fi dweeb and the other some wanna be priest / philosopher retard that thinks the meaning he sees in the infinite universe is the meaning for all and shit lol.

>>11116208
i think he means that cuz mass has a weight and weight is the thing which generates gravity shit circles around it.

if you were cosmically fat shit would orbit around your fat ass.

>>11116103
I can't quite describe it but I'll know it when I see it.

>>11116279
>weight is the thing that generates gravity
How? In mechanical terms, how?

>>11116277
I would be careful about assigning ideologies to people that you don't know. Your worldview contains a metaphysics model, whether you realize it or not.

>>11116153
Nice regurgitation of unproven theory, no one asked who can recite what a textbook told you think, you are wrong and dumb. I already posted the correct answer

>>11115236

>>11116279
>>11116284
It's difficult to understand without GR. Generally, what causes gravity is the energy, momentum and mass content in a spacetime region. They cause the very notion of what "distance" means to change such that the shortest path between two points isn't straight anymore, but curved.

>>11109959
Well i don't really understand what answer you are looking for, cause guess what, its spacetime curvature! We first need to define what spacetime is tho, and we define it as the quintuple [math](\mathcal{M}, \mathcal{O}, \mathcal{A}, \nabla , g , T)[/math], where: [math]\mathcal{M}[/math] is a four dimensional manifold, with topology [math]\mathcal{O}[/math] and a smooth atlas [math]\mathcal{A}[/math], [math]\nabla[/math] is a torsion free connection (covariant derivative), [math]g[/math] is a Lorentzian metric and [math]T[/math] is a time orientation. Very briefly, the curvature of [math]\mathcal{M} [/math] is due to the presence of energy and momentum as stated by >>11116389 . The equations of the field are exactly analogous to those of newtonian gravity, mainly, recall poisson's equation:
[eqn] \nabla ^2 \phi = 4\pi G \rho [/eqn]
where the space-curvature of the field (the laplacian) is related to the sources (the mass density). The field equations for GR (Einstein equations) are:
[eqn]G_{\mu \nu} = \frac{8 \pi G}{c^4} T_{\mu \nu}[/eqn]
where the Einstein tensor [math]G_{\mu \nu}[/math] encodes information about the spacetime curvature of [math]\mathcal{M}[/math] and the energy momentum tensor [math]T_{\mu \nu}[/math] about the energy and momentum density of spacetime. But of course, one cannot truly understand the theory without a solid grasp at differential geometry and other fields of physics (classical mechanics, etc). Learn the math so you can interpret the theory OP, don't be like >>11114459
>>11115233
>>11115236
>>11115239
>>11115543
>>11115546
>>11116371

>>11116523
*i meant sixtuple

>>11116523
I appreciate the effort that went into this post but you're a condescending prick. You're implying that the only reason someone would disbelieve the notion of spacetime curvature is because of ignorance.

>>11116523
This.

>>11116523
>spacetime is quintiple
>group is ordered pair
>vector space is quadruple
>Turing machine is 7-tuple
god I hate this

>>11117148
I did not ever write anything like this in the post, lern to read. The only thing im implying is that YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR FUCKING MATH before you understand the theory. If you have a solid understanding, only then you can question the definitions.

>>11117229
Its an object equipped with extra structure and this is a neat way to write it, why do you hate it anon?

>>11117432
>inb4 "hurr durr I don't have to be a chef to know the food sucks"

>>11117435
>group is a set G equipped with a binary operation o
>group is an ordered pair (G,o) where G is a set and o is a binary operation on this set
first one will always feel less autistic to me

>>11117442
Yes but you have to know what it contains and how its made to fix the recipe you idiot

>>11117449
You cant decline a theory you cant understand..

>>11117449
Sorry the reply went to the anon above you

>>11117442
You cant decline a theory you cant understand..

>>11116523
I know the real math you pseud, that they would never teach a hack like you

>>11117490
Ok boomer

>>11117462
You are such a pretentious cock, again you're implying that any opponent to this theory does not understand it. You are such a condescending asshole I can't believe you fucking exist.

>>11117750
>you're implying that any opponent to this theory does not understand it

No, there are people testing its limits and thinking about how it could change but THEY FOR SURE UNDERSTAND IT first. I’m implying that IF you don’t understand it, you have no hope in making a positive contribution on the field or change it or even prove it wrong. Simple as that, this time read it carefully you fucking moron.

>>11117925
And who said that they don't understand it?

>>11117943
Who are you referring to as “they”? The dude in the video posted by >>11115236 clearly he has no idea what he’s talking about.

>>11118013
This is pointless. I got pissed off at you because you aggregated me with that schizo. Just don't fucking do it again.
There's nothing worse than having your argument misrepresented, just so that it can be combated more easily.
I don't really understand what answer you're looking for, cause guess what, you're dodging the question!

>>11111371
Personally, I love quantum physics. Conscious observation determines the position or movement of fundamental aspects of the universe? Scientifically proven, got it.
Partial observations can collapse the wave-form structure of possibility by only a non-zero amount? Understood.
The absence of a clear delineation from a contrived "quantum realm" to a "macro realm," makes perfect sense. The entire experienced world is uncertain.
No enlightening idea about gravity. What prevents distance itself from being the unit akin to the electron to the electro-magnetic wave?

>>11118534
Excuse me? My argument was clear from the beginning, I thought you were defending the schyzo..

>>11112328
>aer
DON'T YOU MEAN AETHER LOL

>>11118755
LOL IKNORITE THESE MOTHER FUCKERS KEEP TRYING TO REINVENT THE MOTHER FUCKING WHEEL JUST TO RENAME SHIT IT'S FUCKING RETARDED

>>11109986
the memeton

>>11109959
OPs unbound faggotry and disingenuous behaviour