/sci/ - Science & Math

Get a lobotomy

I tried adderall but it just ended with me edging for 6 hours and then having a splitting headache for the rest. Think we're doomed desu.

It's really about getting rid of everything useless catching your attention. You have to force yourself in situations without them.
A person with adhd locked in a room with calculator, a text editor without wi fi and a book with math problems will solve them all instead of doing nothing.

>>11099151
ADHD isn't real, just stop being a faggot.

>>11099151
discipline.
I'd start with just simple tasks like bushing your teeth. When you develop the hard core ability to be disciplined you'll have a different mental illness, autism.

>>11099151
usually uppers of some kind work
try sudafed (the kind with pseudoephedrine)

>>11099168
>citation needed

>>11099239
just try it

>tfw schizo with adhd so im not allowed to have stimulants
im literally fucked

1. Does anybody have research on the affects of medication long term?
2. What is your personal opinion/experience of using medication?

>>11099247
>trying to get a (((prescription)))
Just order some modafinil or some 1P-LSD on the internet.

>>11099327
I have moda but they asked me to stop taking it for research purposes so I obliged

>>11099151
Personality is a learned behavior. It's not so easy to unlearn a behavior, but it is easy to replace one with another. Gradually replace undesirable behaviors with desirable ones through repetition. That's the only answer.

>>11099381
A mental disorder (which is now proven with brain scans) that dictates personality is not learned. Whatever nonsense you wrote after is funny and patronizing. It's as if you think ADHD sufferers haven't tried (and failed implementing) those instructions their entire lives.

>>11099922
>mental disorder
little johnny doesn't want to write notes in a desk for 8 hours a day, he keeps asking to go outside!
Give him the Ritalin, he must be damaged

>>11100032
>>mental disorder
>little johnny doesn't want to write notes in a desk for 8 hours a day, he keeps asking to go outside!
>Give him the Ritalin, he must be damaged
Overdiagnosis doesn't mean it's not real

As someone who has suffered from ADHD for 20+ years, depressants are the only thing that balances me out. Unironically CBD/THC have been the best and least impacting substances

>>11100210
ADD is not real. I am the Lord. It's society that is fucked up, not the restless children.

>>11100343
Thank you, oh based one.

>>11100343
Indeed. Fuck this modern world and its idle expectations. I'm a hunter gatherer.

>>11100343
Tooker, did you see Joker? You really should. I sometimes call it the Jooker.

>>11100490
I'm a natural born scholar and I probably hated my primary education as much as you did, if not more.

>>11100522
I didn't see it yet, but pic related is me IRL and my intentions for all the money.

>>11100560
>natural born scholar
Is this some kind of slang for white man with big head? I might be a natural born scholar too.

>>11100564
oops
>>11100522

>>11099151
>ADHD
>in stem

Dude, you don't have ADHD.

People with ADHD would not even get close to this board. It's a disease that has been banalized due to generically defined symptoms.

Want a tip? Just fucking block Pornhub or whatever hentai site you have.

>>11100572
This is why we need you to be the one to publish the TOE.
Hopefully it crashes the economy and reduces the world to a burning hysteria.

>>11100578
cringe

>>11100572
>>11100564
You will love it Tooker. You should watch it soon.

>>11100627
If you guys buy my book then I will go will see it tomorrow. Otherwise, not til the torrent appears.

>>11100652
I'm sorry Tooks, I forgot about the poverty. How is the job hunt going? You know you are welcome down south if you can't find a good job over there...

>>11100660
Your suffering will never end if I can help it. I hate you, and your brazen insolence will not earn you the reward you expect.

>>11100695
Tooker, I am offering you, NAY, promising you a better life. What even if your attachment to the united states? It's a degenerate country anyways. It's a country that already proved that it is willing to ignore it's most brilliant scientist, Jonathan W. Tooker. Why don't you come with us? Find yourself a conservative latina gf to pump little tookies into.

I am going to find the people you thought you were impressing with your insolent lack of reverence, and I will feed them to your enemies who will not only kill them, but will defile them. Then, when your own body has been totally destroyed, I will cut off your head from your heart, and put your brain on an artificial blood oxygenator so that I can make you suffer and suffer and suffer, far beyond what your natural lifespan would have allowed.

>>11100714
Traditional Latina women are dying to have their wombs colonized by El Arcón. There are prophecies written about you and your potent semen.

>>11100728
Beware the bearers of false gifts.

generous amounts of stimulant medication

only thing that works for me anyway...

>>11099151
Stimulants when you need to be a functioning human being, marijuana when you don't.
Don't take adderall every single day, it's not going to work for you how to want it to if you do it that way.

>>11099151
Move to the woods. Get off the internet. Consider hunting and farming for a living.

>>11102371
>Don't take adderall every single day,

>Stimulants when you need to be a functioning human being

society demands this on a daily basis.

>>11102386
I don't know what society you live in where you need to mentally exhaust yourself each and every day, but for us people living in the real world we don't absolutely need to be mentally 100% every single day of work or school to get by.

>>11102390

i can't get ahead unless i work. i cannot work very well without the pills. a day without them is a day lost, unless i'm literally on vacation.

>>11102382
Only good post ITT

What's it called when the inside of your brain is like how ADHD-PIs describe theirs, and yet you have none of their problems?

>>11099223
>When you develop the hard core ability to be disciplined you'll have a different mental illness, autism.
No, he'd have OCPD.
A lot of ADHD sufferers do in fact try to behave like your suggestion, but still fail often

>>11099151
What are you trying to chre exactly? How does ADHD affect you negatively?

>>11099381
>Personality is a learned behavior.
No.

>>11099151
If drugs for ADHD aren't working to to help your ADHD then you probably don't have it, it was diagnosed wrong, and you will need to be rediagnosed.

Make sure you are getting an hour of exercise a day for your medication to work properly.

>>11102827
you are trans sexual

>>11099151
Find a hobby (or 4), and dont spend hours in them or it will get boring

>>11102827
it absolutely is

>>11099168
i usually just end up pacing around and daydreaming if i do this. i can do it for up to 6 hours at a time

>>11099151
if you have ADHD, you would never start this thread, so don't throw bullshit on us

>>11105711
what is your reasoning behind this assertion?

>>11099151
Take magnesium, its deficiency is probably the most common cause of cognitive dysfunction in the western world right now.
Get a second opinion.

>>11105725
>no picture of papers from doctor for to prove us
>if pills don't work how he can even sit in one place, even for 1 second
also just in case, that he says is truth, physical exhaustion is best medicine in most of cases of ADHD

>>11099223
>discipline
Ah, so that is why bondage and whipping are so popular. The latex thread in /s/ has been going on for years.

>>11105711 what do you think ADHD is?

>>11105745
Is there any truth to this magnesium claim?

>>11105766
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
>hyperactiveness
>unable control their impulses
>trouble paying attention

It gets better with age generally. Spend time without simulation. Literally sit in a dark room for an hour if you have to. What I did was I'd sit in the bathroom with the lights off for half an hour everyday and did my best to clear my mind (focusing on a single word helps with this, and don't force yourself, just try, if you catch yourself thinking about something else, just move your mind back to the word, no stress). In general, just try to catch yourself when you're thinking about something else, when I'm in class, my phone vibrates every minute to remind me to pay attention. Think outside the box, as each case is different, and try new methods. If they don't help, move onto the next, if they work, keep using them. Godspeed friend. (also don't ask for advice on sci, we're all retarded)

CBD

>>11105771
Yes, most people seem to benefit from it and even many mental illnesses improve once the red blood cell magnesium reaches more normal levels.
It seems the problem might be that magnesium is for some reason must be spent for calcium excretion, which means our calcium rich diet depletes it.

>>11099151
stop jacking off
stop hacking so much sugar and carbs in your diet
do intense exercise for 10 to 20 minutes at the start of the day

meditation and self hypnosis + any activity that physically exhausts you to reconfigure your nervous system

I have been diagnosed with autism, and have been thinking for a while that I may have adhd (innatention type).
I've been daydreaming since I was in elementary school, I could never for the love of god focus when I was in classes and was always gazing at the window.

Up until now I thought I was just lazy (probably because that's what most people tol me I was) so I tried many things but nothing helped:
-in middle school I got into some soccer club for three years and even developped good endurance thanks to it
-two years ago I took a membership at a gym in my neighborood, went there for a couple of month and quit when I saw it didn't help much
-I try to make as much exercice as possible like going out and walking as much as I can for hours, but again it doesn't help (the thing with sport is if I stop for a time and then take it back I have this temporary feeling that it helps improve my focus, but this feeling only work the first time)
-I developped some habit of fidgetting and bouncing my head to help me get focus on the lecture, didn't help, and for this one I have had trouble getting ride of some fidgetting I took. I was even seen as this weirdo who was trying to get attention at my uni.

For losing my things I have developped some strategy like keeping everything in one single bag and trying to go out two time if needed (for two different event) to avoid taking something important that I could lose (since I know I probably would). What really bothers me more than any other symptom is that I cannot follow conversations/presentations, it's already a huge problem in my studies but in the professional world I feel like I won't be able to survive. I also always had this feeling that I was living my life through a screen, but this one could be because of my autism.

All that's left now is medication, really hope that one will help.

>>11108844
Abandon strategy and embrace chaos. Hopefully the medication helps but I expect just like exercise the benefits will disappear after a short while. However, unlike exercise instead of being left with some sore abs ,you will now have a chemical dependency that has to be satiated to get yourself back to your new normal baseline.

>>11105143
Same. How do we stop maladaptive daydreaming? It's so easy to do it over actually living and getting life moving.

>>11099151
>how do I cure ADHD?
You don't. It's how your brain is wired.
Learn to live with it.
Ideally learn to USE it to your advantage.
'Hyperfocus' can be your friend but you have to learn how to leverage it. You have to learn to make yourself interested in things you might not be interested in so hyperfocus kicks in and you're effectively smarter for the duration of hyperfocus.
Learn the coping skills to work around the rest of it.
Most of all stop beating yourself up over it and thinking you're worthless. You're just wired differently.

>>11108844
>All that's left now is medication, really hope that one will help.
never EVER get convinced to take antipsychotics. (big pharma tried to convince doctors to prescribe them to conditions where they cannot help, they have been sued for that)

>>11108844
>never EVER get convinced to take antipsychotics. (big pharma tried to convince doctors to prescribe them to conditions where they cannot help, they have been sued for that)
never EVER let anybody to convince you to try antipsychotics. (big pharma tried to convince doctors to prescribe them for conditions where they cannot help, they have been sued for that)

>>11109185
>It's how your brain is wired.
It's how your brain is DAMAGED. Aside the magnesium metioned above (our bodies haven't evolved to deal with the enormous amounts of calcium in our food), which causes neurons to overfire, there is damage from iron overload, which causes irreversible damage to the dopamine system. Especially if you are exposed to it very early in your life, like in baby formula.

>>11109185
>>11109708
Baby formula may easily contain thirty times more iron than human milk, it's basically poison at that point.

>>11100210
It's real in retardo kids like actual autistic children and klinefelters. Your C in 3rd grade english is not a diagnostic criteria

>>11102371
if you dont need it every day then you dont really have ADHD

>>11099151
Try different drugs. If you can't alleviate it with medication not much is going to help.

>>11099223
>discipline
That's like suggesting to just stop being depressed.

>>11099247
What about strattera?

>>11100032
I actually want to sit at my desk 8 hours a day, it's just that I can't. I don't want to be a sailor or a circus actor, I want to do my PhD, and ritalin makes that possible.

>>11100578
cringe

>>11110030
Autism is a fake disease invented by a literal Nazi to mark white children whose thinking wasn't sufficiently Aryan.

>>11109172
You don't, it will always be there as long as you are not hyperfocused on something, and you are only hyperfocused on something as long as you think you putting up pieces together for solving the next big thing.

>>11102395
Literally word for word what my crackhead friend said while getting addicted to crack. Nobody needed this shit to survive before and they don't now. You're just trying to feed an addiction.

>>11099151
sour diesel marijuana or sour diesel wax
amphetamines

With real ADHD you lose your train of though mid sentence. You place a screwdriver on the table, move to do something else and forget where the screwdriver was as it would have never happened.
You really know that you have ADHD by noticing a *processing* *delay* between what you're doing and what's happening. So you're scanning a circuit board for broken components but your mind is faster than your eyes. It's like there's a bandwidth problem. You can also tell by handwriting looking like dick and having no general direction.
As a kid I was diagnosed with dyslexia but I think it really was ADHD. People with it BTW like to work out because it increases dopamine levels which doctors say they are deficient in.
I'm a low level software engineer by the way so you can live with it and get a somewhat normal job.

>>11110814
In short the problem is with short-term working memory tasks, you can memorize and retain things very well.

>>11110823
But that also makes people with ADHD naturally good jazz musicians and some people envy it

>>11099154
Hearty kek. For me, it would be the same, I think.

>>11099151
Daily head pats are the only cures

i'd stay away from drugs. i took ritalin and/or adderal from age 7 to 14 for ADHD. if you take stimulants you may feel that they help, but it won't last. it will end up burning you out, where your dopamine receptors are essentially fried and you have trouble feeling excitement or joy.

from my experience the best thing to do is to live a moderate lifestyle. don't use hard drugs (including pharmaceuticals like adderal), drink moderately if at all. diet is also important. make sure you eat plenty of leafy greens, no sugary foods, etc.

one of the most important things, imo, is to stay away from artificially stimulating activities like vijya gaymes, social media and cell phone use, television and movies. your brain is like a vagina or asshole. if you stretch it out all the time with hyperstim, you're not going to enjoy regular sex as much.

pay attention to your biorhythm. when are you the most focused? plan your day to take advantage of these times. for instance, i know that im the most focused when i first wake up, so i take care of things like cleaning the house, writing, programming, business stuff in the morning, as soon as i wake up. between probably 11 and 3 all i can think about are feeding, fucking, and sleeping. if i do all three of those I usually have a second wave of energy for activity. I try to be in bed by no later than ten or eleven.

last and certainly not least: get lots of aerobic exercise, the more intense the better. this is the most important thing for regularizing endorphin your levels. I'd even go so far as to say that people with ADHD are simply physically mal-adapted to modern sedentary and hyper-linear 9-5 robot lifestyles.

>>11105758
you are retard

>>11099151
I have a mild ADHD and I hanged a portrait on Edward Witten above my desk. Each time my mind starts wandering off I look up, get struck with his immense cranium, remember his polite mannerisms, soft voice, and magnificent output, and get inspired to focus and do my best until the next time my mind starts wondering off. Lately, his mere presence started inspiring me greatly. I don't know why, but no other scientist motivates me as much as him, not even my idols like Gelfand, Gauss, Mendel, and others. Must be the P H E N O T Y P E.

>>11100032
I want to be able to sit down and read. It's impossible without adhd meds. Studies show that early intervention with ritalin (in your teens, not when you are a toddler) helps develop your full potential, even if you want to come off meds when you're adult. I wish I was diagnosed earlier but I wasn't hyperactive at school and fell under the radar.
The biological vs. personality debate, mental disorder vs. developmental disorder, etc. really don't matter. I don't know whether I'm a worthless piece of shit or there is legitimately something genetically fucking with my cognitive function, I'm diagnosed ADD and it's been a lifesaver having access to meds that help and therapy that's actually relateable. I still feel I might have irreparable mental retardation but I'm healthy now, am able to sit behind a computer and read books without wanting to pull my hair out, and the meds have allowed me to reclaim a life for myself. Giving teens ritalin isn't going to fuck them. Only fuckwits who call ritalin "speed" peddle that shit, meanwhile half of them are fine with prescribing sertraline to 13 year olds because it doesn't sound scary to them.

>>11099151
post more jahy

>>11113237
For how long have you been on meds?
I have heard that they tend to lose effect over time is it true?
And if so how long does it take?

Exercise is top non-medication based thing you can do for ADHD from what I've heard. Also anecdotally, it works well for me.

Some articles in low-tier journals support this at least...

https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyt.2019.00132

https://doi.org/10.1177/1087054715584053


I also wonder if meditation might be helpful. It seems to increase dopamine in the brain. There are also articles reporting meditation improved ADHD symptoms.


've seen some psychiatrists advising re-framing ADHD as an executive function/time perception disorder. That might be a helpful way to think about solving ADHD related problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpB-B8BXk0
Regarding meds, why not genotype yourself? I've got a variant that is associated with poor response to modofanil, and indeed, it doesn't do much for me though. Vyvanse on the other hand feels like I took the goddam limitless pill. It's self-discipline in a pill.

Promethease used to be an easy way to get personalized drug metabolism info, but they stopped linking that info. The information is still on SNPedia though. Here's another good source of info about the genetics of ADHD https://www.malacards.org/card/attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder_2

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I don't know if I have ADHD inattentive type or not. I procrastinate badly, lose focus in lectures easily, and have deep-seated reluctance in doing homework and studying. I'm well organized and good with appointments. I have difficulty focusing while reading and will have difficulty rememering it. My whole life my grades have suffered. But if I let my brain go free I can get lost in the tasks. I don't know what's wrong with me.

OP, you wanna increase your body's production of acetylcholine.
To do you this you need to
>Take a strong b-complex, try to find one with high B1 (100mg per tablet) and low B6 (10-25mg per tablet) and take two of those everyday with your meal
>Eat at least 4 egg yolks per day to get choline
>Take 400mg of magnesium everyday (used as a cofactor for the b vitamins)


If you're allergic to eggs, do not supplement with choline, supplement instead with alpha GPC or a very similar nutrient like trimethylglycine. Do not supplement b vitamins on their own.

>>11113237
some tips
1. eat well. Nutrient deficiencies can drastically cut down on your brain capacity.
2. don't overwork yourself. You have only so much brain capacity at your disposal, trying to push yourself furter than that will lead to failure; don't try to do too much at once, studying for one hour each day is far more effective than studying seven hours once a week.
3. follow routine. You may not like it, but try it. Even though it seems routine should dumb you down, the opposite is true, and routine increases creativity in areas that are not part of the routine. Many high profile politicians demand routine and have people who take care for mundane things for them, as not having to think about things like what they are going to have for dinner spares brain capacity they need to use in their job.

>>11099151
Find things you actually like and live a life you actually want to live

>>11117330
Too vague. Tried this and failed what must be a 1000 times now.

>>11099153
this

>>11099153
/thread

>>11099153
That won't help me achieve my goals

tfw schizo