/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11089200
The only important technological advancements are the ones that let me become an immortal femboy. Yes it's worth investing into them.

>rationalist who bases his beliefs on evidence

>>11089200
http://www.longecity.org/forum/

This is the best forum for that. People here have done experiments on themselves.

More life = more time
More time = more knowledge
More knowledge = Bragging rights (and as a bonus I loose the fear if aging)

>>11089200
I think they are right when saying that preventing old age is the best way to prevent a lot of illnesses.

However I remain sceptical on the overly positive view on the impact that such technologies can have on the world. For instance: when tyrants die things do tend to change. Imagine if Stalin, Mao and many others were still alive, the world would definitely be a very different place than it is now.

Other problem is that, even if such knowledge was to be democratized, not everyone will have the means to access this anti aging technologies, only the rich and powerful will be able to enjoy it.

Not saying these are reasons not to develop anti aging, but then again, I'm just sceptical about some of the utopic views on this.

>>11089200

The only reason Jesus resurrected is because he truly died. Refusing to die will destroy you.

>>11090030
Tikki man tooki bimbajoo say good health and needles is baad mojo! Do not take medicine from the scientists, only tooki bimbajoo can save you!

>>11089200
But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

Give it to me straight, what's the legitimate case for cryonics?

>>11089274
id prefer to become immortal 11yo little girl but still respect for a great dream

>>11090271
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

>>11090279
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

>>11090030
>Jesus
>>>/x/

>>11090274
The fact that it's more likely to revive you than dying and not signing up for cryonics.

>>11089200
We won't die of old age. We will die in a nuclear holocaust or in the aftermath of natural disasters that may or may not be partially caused by human activity.

No point in extending your potential lifespan when you wil never get to use it.

>>11089200
If we fix aging, then we also need to fix overpopulation.

>>11090449
Overpopulation is a non-issue

>>11089200
That image is so based holy fuck. Niggers use "death gives life meaning" as stockholm-syndrome like coping mechanism. Yet they still look both fucking ways when they cross roads. Hypocrites.
Anyone who has an imaginayion can see a future potentially worth living in---and that is a future worth fighting for.

>>11090471
>implying

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

>>11090500
>Anyone who has an imaginayion can see a future potentially worth living in---and that is a future worth fighting for.
I dream of a world where I am transformed into a wirehead, and feel nothing but nonstop euphoria for eternity.

https://qualiacomputing.com/2016/08/20/wireheading_done_right/

>>11090564
What does high/low lifestyle mean?

>>11090575
i really like this image
where can i get more graphed emotions?

>>11090564
>implying
Implying indeed
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-population/syria-grapples-with-surging-population-idUSTRE6522FS20100603

>>11090283
Based ted poster.

>>11090042
>>11090286
Cringe low quality posts.
Read a book.

>>11089200
I like it. It's a very exciting initiative. I hope the people involved in the field can get us there fast enough. I don't think it's charlatanism if there's actually a ton of startup companies dedicated to certain sectors.
>>11090500
I really hate how fags (literally everyone else but us who are interested in this subject) don't think about the idea of death that much, that they won't be around for long and just try to cope with it with religious bullshit. It's apparently some retarded mechanism the brain has.

https://www.livescience.com/brain-shields-idea-death.html

People need to wake the fuck up. I agree with you all the way anon. This really makes me think... if religious people believe in immortality through an afterlife, wouldn't this be what they want? Everlasting life? I mean of course in the sense of not killing yourself due to aging, but still.

Cryonics is bullshit, because it assumes life extending technology will be able to revive dead people, and assumes wherever their bodies are frozen will keep them that way until someone develops the technology to revive frozen people.

>>11089507
If Stalin, Mao, and the others didn't die of old age, they would have run their respective countries into the ground, gotten murdered, and replaced by a CIA puppet. These were not smart men. They were strong-willed, inspired fanatics, and lucky. Their immortality would lead to a downfall of tyranny much sooner than it did in history.

>>11092292
Read any nonfiction book other than the bible (if you even read that one.) Not saying the bible isn't fiction, but immersing yourself in fake shit 24/7 just makes you stupid.

>>11089200
My opinion is that my money won't make a difference. I would rather work tirelessly throughout my life finding my own solution. The main problem is: what will take more time to figure out, and which will better suit me if I don't have the other: indefinite life extension, or body and mind revival?

>>11092292
And why does your god give children cancer and original sin?

>>11089200
>Worth investing into these companies or nah? Is all this medical tech stuff all Silicon Valley charlatanism?
What do the ancient purveyors of physical immortality all have in common? They are all dead.

I've cracked the aging code last year. /sci/ has too much pride to accept the truth. but i'll give you a hint


Spiritual balance + autophagy
Fasting + exercise
Detachment + oxygen
Food once a week
no children
stress free environment
Learn to become the Nobody
Be the universe


Lil' gift from yours truly- The Nobody

>>11092505
Holy shit
>who is hegel
>spinoza
>plato
>gödel
>descartes
Want to be an atheist without being a fedora-nigger?
>Hinman
>marcus aurelius
It's so disappointing how you guys are unable to see yourselves. I suppose that's how the fedora meme was inspired in the first place. Look at this guy:
>>11092862
Parroting the same "if bad thing why god?" Reddit tier talking point.

You people are as equally ignorant and conformist as the mindset you think you're always fighting against.

>>11094061
Gay