/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10972743
you posted a fucking frog so you already have a two digit IQ

>>10972747
>Not appreciating the battrachian pleasures in life

NGMI

>>10972743

Yes. If you're under 130, you will never have a chance at making it in pure math. Even the 130s are pushing it; you'll have to work twice as hard as your peers and will never amount to anywhere near as much. Math is really a 140+ game.

You can be an excellent engineer with 120-130, certainly above average in your field, but you can only be a mediocre mathematician or physicist with that IQ. Pick you battles wisely.

>>10972786
Are you fucking kidding? How do they even fill a class?

>>10972786
Also I don't give a shit about employment. I'm in it purely for the learning. Not even rich or anything. I just couldn't stand learning something as practical as engineering.

>>10972786
This. I'm glad I am doing CS as a 130+ but under 140 IQ individual. There are a lot of retards in the CS field so it isn't too hard to be seen as exceptional.
>>10972808
Purely for learning? Well that changes everything. Do physics, if Richard Feynman could do it with 125 IQ so can you.

>>10972817
BUT I WANNA LEARN TOPOLOGY!!!!

>>10972808
>learning
>in college
>learning in college
>college is for learning
bro you're mistaken. just do something lucrative and learn maths on your own time. you'll be better off.

>>10972847
You're seriously saying I should saddle up for wageslavery and then spend what little free time I have trying to learn complex mathematics, the most difficult of all mental disciplines, AUTODIDACTICALLY?

>>10972855
>You're seriously saying I should saddle up for wageslavery and then spend what little free time I have trying to learn complex mathematics, the most difficult of all mental disciplines, AUTODIDACTICALLY?
you're clearly retarded. I said get a lucrative job so you can afford your own time. if you're shit at mathematics you'll be in wage slavery anyways and be spending most of your time not doing research but rather teaching a bunch of retards to be retards.
you'll learn more and better auto-didactically.
if you're a retard and pursuing math you'll be in wage slavery for sure.
this is the best pathway for people like you.
college is about getting verifications for working a job, it has nothing to do with learning. It's about good gpa and getting a career.
don't be fuckign retarded, you won't make it as a successful mathematician, this is your best option, faggot.

>>10972882
I heard math was the most flexible of all fields in terms of career. If people can see you're able to get a math degree they are certain you can learn anything else.

>>10972891
yeah do that pal. do whatever you want. I love seeing retards in the maths field because I love seeing them suffer and drop out, switch feilds, cry about how they're going to graduate late.
oh fuck I love the retard women that do it too.
ME: oh hey there under class men. oh you're having trouble with LA, lol that was easy as fuck. I can help you study if you want.
She is so happy she's getting attention and help, I explain in a way that she likes and she actually learns. but I stop.
>what's wrong anon? anon?
I look at her with a filthy lecherous face. groping her inner thigh saying "what exactly do I get from wasting my time tutoring a retard like you"
this is what you get for being too proud to go to the tutoring center.
OH FUCK I love mathematics being advocated to retard women. it's so great.
please more women in maths.

>>10972922
I think you went off the deep end with this post. Jesus christ.

>>10972922
She can't help it, she was born a woman. At least she's attempting maths.

>>10972922
Also how should I, someone with a genuine interest in mathematical concepts, be compared with someone with a political axe to grind and no real passion for the field. That was probably the most egregious mistake in your post.

>>10972882

This. I wish somebody had told me this when I entered uni; being exceptional at your no name low income high school gives you too big an ego I guess, and I stepped outside my IQ comfort zone thinking I could go to college to "learn" as if I was some high income, high IQ gentleman scholar who was above the concerns of putting food on the table on my own some day.


Truth is math academia is infinitely more competitive than any industry field, and you have to be an unrealistic superhuman anomaly to make it. Less than 5% of PhDs in general ever get tenure, and I can assume mathematics is even tougher than that. I can assure you that no employer will be impressed that you can prove the Sylow Theorems but don't know basic coding syntax.

>>10972891
a math undergrad is completely reasonable for smart students. are you good at logic? are you good at problem solving?

many students choose math because they are good at calculus - memorize formula and repeat. they get filtered out junior years.

>>10972956

Genuine interest means nothing if you don't have the physical hardware in your thinking organ (read: IQ) to be competitive in that field. This is the sad reality of having above average but nonexceptional IQ; you're just smart enough to see that lofty abstractions are beautiful and alluring, but not smart enough that you could ever support yourself studying such abstractions. 115-135 IQ individuals are cursed to a life of fiddling with the trivial derivatives of products from greener pastures just over the horizon, that nobody around them can even see, much less long for.

>>10972791
PhDs are challenging and selective, undergrad and Master's aren't worth shit

>>10972978
>Genuine interest means nothing if you don't have the physical hardware in your thinking organ

Oh gee, its not like the whole thread was about this in the first place.

>>10972808
>I'm in it purely for the learning
then buy math books and start reading instead of wasting money on tuition

>>10972882
>>10972958

this is bullshit advice. if you're interested and reasonably intelligent, do the undergrad. they typically have few minimal requirements. from there you can evaluate if your likely to succeed at the graduate level, or it's time to get a job or switch to another graduate program (cs, EE, econ, finance, mba).

math undergrad is extremely general and a solid education for almost anything.

>>10972929
sometimes I dream about a girl that isn't ok with being basically raped, and would just beat the shit to of me and rape me instead.
...a man can dream, but I doubt they make women like that.
I just want someone to torture my cock and balls, and to wrestle for who gets top.
>>10972939
kek
>>10972956
look mate, if you're that fuckgin passionate you'd understand what i'm talking about. but if the fire inside you causes you to ignore my advice then do that, but understand the outcomes first man.
"A man can do what he wants, but not want what he wants." - Schopenhauer
>>10972958
>Truth is math academia is infinitely more competitive than any industry field, and you have to be an unrealistic superhuman anomaly to make it. Less than 5% of PhDs in general ever get tenure, and I can assume mathematics is even tougher than that. I can assure you that no employer will be impressed that you can prove the Sylow Theorems but don't know basic coding syntax.
based.
to me math is an art that I practice for fun. unless I'm showing levels of intelligence like Ramanujan who got personally invited to cambridge by Hardy then i'm not even gonna fuckign bother depending on it.
>>10972993
excuse me professor but I just shit my pants in your calc 1 class at a no name school, can you please call my mom?

>>10972978
To be fair I knew this guy on a board game website who was a tenured Mathematics professor and he played many of these board-games in the most retarded and insensible ways. So I think this idea of Math being an impossible field is greatly exaggerated by the cynical ressentiment of the average 4chan poster. If math at every university, no matter how small and without renown, then math at the least of all Ivy League schools is what, for extraterrestrials?

>>10972743
if you have to ask the question, you should probably avoid the subject.

>>10972993
I dont see any logic in taking the core classes required by all stem majors and then estimating my ability to succeed in a given field based on my previous performance.

>>10973017
Why? Currently I think I'm possibly even a genius. If anything I'm overly-confident. Why wouldn't I want a reliable measure of my intelligence rather than my own amour-propre?

>>10972993

Nobody here is talking about math undergrad alone. Obviously a 115 individual can make it through most math undergrad programs, albeit with a lot more struggle than the brainchads. OP is clearly considering a CAREER in mathematics, however, and in that case, your IQ places hard limits on your chances. You don't get paid to produce mathematics unless you're the cream of the genetic crop.

>>10973036
No I'm not considering a career in mathematics. I'm considering a mathematics degree as a means of having access to any number of different fields involving logical problem solving.

>>10972978
"Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." - Schopenhauer
>>10973003
>If math at every university, no matter how small and without renown, then math at the least of all Ivy League schools is what, for extraterrestrials?
yes quite literally. I don't think you understand the level of rigor and effort it requires to get into those schools in the first place, and then into the extremely competitive area like math. unironically probably anyone accepted into harvard or other ivy league math programs are either near genius or total geniuses.
they require perfect grades, perfect scores, perfect scores for advanced math subject tests. Perfect preparation. those kids were fuckign breed to go there man.
I go to a state school because I didn't have that kind of preparation, I went to public school and only until when it was too late did I start thinking about preparing myself for these schools.
my little brother goes to a private high school as a freshman and one of the kids there he met does advanced calculus as a freshmen.
like you're fucking with me I didn't even do multivariable calculus until I was a senior.
Ivy league students are usually of a different class of human bro.
no fucking way am I going to major in maths. my IQ is 140 and that's not even valuable in there. i'm a fuckign smooth brain in comparison to the dude that actually succeed in those fields.
>>10973036
yeah but math undergrad degree is pretty fuckign useless if you can't make the cut into grad school.
>>10973042
get a minor. employers don't usually give a fuck about degrees that aren't directly relevant to what you're applying for.
>>10973022
if you're a genius then you should already have the knowledge of an undergrad math major before the age of 17.
your most vital math years are while young.
you're way too confident and it's just arrogance.

>>10973050
>if you're a genius then you should already have the knowledge of an undergrad math major before the age of 17

Unless I didn't study it because I'm a lazy sack of shit.

>>10973042

You'd be better off doing applied math and using honors courses/courses meant for pure math majors to fill up your pure math requirements. At my uni, you can go through the entire pure math major and only one or two classes will ever require you to write a line of code. You'll have a skillset about as marketable as an art major's. Sure, you can argue that pure math makes it easier to learn the trivial brainlet skills engineers and CS majors walk out with on your own time, but if that's the case why not just cut out the middle man and learn to code in that time if you're gonna have to anyway? If your IQ is high enough for pure math, you'll roflstomp all the /g/ tier retards in an applied math or engineering/CS department.

>>10973052
Or rather I WAS a lazy sack of shit. I have cut myself off from access to internet on my personal devices. I use a flip phone and I have 3 hours a day from my local library system to shitpost and do whatever else I want or need to do with the internet. And since I made this resolution I've been getting all kinds of shit done.

>>10973050

Based mass reply redpill poster. Most normies who have never peered into math academia don't understand how different the level of competition really is. You can be kind of slow but well trained and moderately capable and find a job in industry; there's literally millions of openings. To make it in pure math, you have to be one of the top fifty or so people on the PLANET in your particular field; you're basically trying to make it to the olympics, but nobody tries to argue that genetic limitations can't keep people out of the Olympics, and everyone agrees that spending your youth training for professional sports when you're clearly not exceptionally talented is delusional. The same solemn, honest advice should be given to people who bite off more than they can chew academically.

>>10973052
If you are a lazy sack of shit then you are clearly not a genius.

>>10973081
Are you seriously saying nobody intelligent has ever suffered from an addiction? Not even one established at an early age?

>>10973085
I'm saying that all geniuses are not lazy sacks of shit. Fix your reading comprehension.

>>10972786
Incel

>>10973085

Successful scientists and mathematicians almost always show their exceptionality from an early age; the teenage semi-prodigy is the rule, and
nonexceptional smartbutlazies transforming in their mid twenties to become successful intellectuals are fringe exceptions that only served to help retards cope.

>>10973052
>Unless I didn't study it because I'm a lazy sack of shit.
that's not genius. that's faggotry. there is a difference between being lazy and bored. if someone is bored they can study mathematics for fun to challenge themselves.
if someone is lazy then they are pathetic genetic dead ends.
this "im a lazy genius" argument is the gayest shit I've ever heard.
it's about as retarded as the "gifted kid burnout" shit.
a genius doesn't have the right to be bored because that means he knows everything in the universe.
an ignorant person can be overconfident.
I hope you waste you slime.
>>10973064
based.
>>10973077
>The same solemn, honest advice should be given to people who bite off more than they can chew academically.
incredibly based.
it's a hard pill to swallow. I grew up thinking I was a genius because I went to public school and was surrounded by smooth brains. but when I got a taste of reality I reaccessed my life and picked the best option. I'm going to do a lucrative career where I can dominate brainlets but avoid the brain chads.
I can make money to have freedom and do shit I enjoy.
yeah If I work hard I'll make it through grad school but I'll end up some faggot prof in a faggot school. Better to give up my unrealistic dreams and be happy rather than pursue them and be disappointed and kill myself.
plus I didn't realize how awesome sex was until I first had, fucking finally. might as well be king of the brainlets rather than the retard among the chad brains.
>>10973099
bro Ramanujan is a perfect fuckgin example. this nigga had no access to math but reproduced advanced results in his shitty indian village. If you're not reproducing half of all math to have ever existed as a kid then you're not going to fucking make it.
BTFO retards and their "socioeconomic factors". imagine being this smart as a street shitter.

>>10973099
Once again you're acting as though I'm trying to prove something that the top minds have been working on for decades. What else could becoming a "successful intellectual" mean? I just want to learn some difficult stuff in a well structured environment and get some Bona Fides for it.

>>10973109
am I a pathetic "dead end" or am I based? Honestly, getting mixed messages here. the simple truth is that if I can shitpost at 5 o'clock in the morning I'm probably going to get fuck all done. Also, do you know what I shitpost about? Classical music and philosophy. Those aren't exactly shallow disciplines.

>>10973003
Is he a boomer? Boomers basically got to do whatever the fuck they wanted to because of Reaganomics and shit. Its a wonder they didn't all grow up to be ninjas and wizards. Its a different market today.

>>10973109

>Dominate brainlets and avoid the brainchads

>might as well be king of the brainlets rather than the retard among the chad brains.

Based and littlepond-pilled. I'm sadly so close to finishing the math major that not finishing it would be a waste of time and money, because I swallowed the redpill too late. I certainly won't be going to grad school for math, however; I have no doubt I could get into some no name program and maybe even struggle all the way to a PhD at great cost to my mental and financial health, but I'm in the 130s at BEST and probably substantially lower. Realistically I'd just end up doing post doc after post doc until giving up and going to a no-name non research school or teaching high school students, and I'd likely be bitter about it. It's just not worth it if you don't have the genes and upbringing for it.

>another IQ thread

>>10973169
shit you beat me. How am gonna relief my rage if I let other people post it instead of me? I hate you now.

>>10973213
You vent your rage by posting a picture of a sleepy Apu Apustaja?

>>10972832
Munkres

>>10972855
I am doing it currently and it sucks. So I am taking a side trip to make an app on Apple store to become financially independent and then pursue my pure maths.

>>10972786
I can confirm. I'm 128. I get all the maths required for engineering an physics, but when it comes to number theory and analysis, count me out. I mix up all the definitions and theorems.

Holy shit, most people here REALLY need to have sex.


Have sex.

>>10973356

Normies would like to believe that everyone is equally capable in principle and that the only intervening factors are hard work and economic issues. The reality is that your genes determine how far you can get in math as much as they determine how fast you can run and what shelf you can reach in the grocery store.

>>10972743
Just start learning it and find out in the process if you're capable. Take some meds if you can't focus. Math requires strong focus. I recommend meditation and mind palaces.

>>10973356
128 master race, i guess we just have to stick to game development

>tfw Russian
>tfw did in mid school what Muricans do in their undergrad fresh year
Lmao dabbing on hamburgers

>>10973437

Russians don't have an education system that panders to the lowest common denominator and considers non trivial expectations "bigoted"

>another fucking IQ thread
this board is unironically dumber than /g/

>>10972922
so did u get some pussy?

>>10973036
ok. I agree with that then.
my stance is probably similar, many people could benefit from a math undergrad. very few can make it (or would even like to) as a professional mathematician.

>>10972743
iq is pseudoscience, its only predictive over populations, not individuals. Even then its statistical significance is very low and only achieved by the fact that psychologists can't into statistics

source:
https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-worries/

>>10973742
that's not to say that differences in mathematical ability exist don't exist, because they do. What I'm trying to say is that the best way to measure your ability at math is by doing math and seeing how good you are at it, not by taking an iq test.

>>10973742

Stop giving brainlets false hope. IQ is certainly flawed, but it's one of the most robust, reliable, and well tested metrics in psychology. It's essentially as good as it gets. And even if IQ is garbage, heritable cognitive abilities are very real, not everyone is created mentally equal. Telling someone with mediocre cognitive ability that they can one day get tenure as an analyst at Princeton if they just work hard enough is like telling a kid with a missing foot he can break Olympic sprint records one day if he just trains hard and believes. It's ultimately very cruel.

>>10972743
no, given enough time, anyone can learn math

>>10973742
> Mr. Copemore

>>10972743
pure math is for low IQ. Natural affinity

>>10973591
yes and it was awesome. you need to try it anon. Unironcally everyone on 4chins needs to have sex. I hope they get it one day.
Here's my advice: be smart, retard

I graduated magna cum laude from EE, worked as a controls engineer, and I'm going to grad school in a couple days.

I also have an 88 IQ. (WAIS FSIQ) Ask me anything.

>>10973945
What's 44 times 44?

>>10973960
44 * 44 = (40+4) * (40+4)

>>10972993
Thanks anon. Much more appealing than just giving up on what I want to study entirely

>>10972747
>emotional response (anal blasting) involuntarily triggered by external stimuli (vision, pepe the frog)
Sad!

>>10973945
Are you an alium?

>>10973504
So are you saying Iq is invalid? Because that makes you the dumb one

>>10973945
>t diversity hire

>>10973900
thats not what I'm saying, what I was saying if you had read my follow up post is that "the best way to measure your ability at math is by doing math and seeing how good you are at it, not by taking an iq test." Of course cognitive differences exist. We just don't have a good psychological test to measure them. If OP takes a iq test and gets a low score, he could be discouraged from doing mathematics even if he is naturally talented at it, because iq test scores don't predict mathematical ability for individuals.


The reason people on /sci/ focus on iq tests is because they want to feel like they're smart regardless of the fact they have accomplished little

>>10974154
>they want to feel like they're smart regardless of the fact they have accomplished little
you can be smart and accomplish little though. just like you can be tall but never play basketball. sure its tokenism and idolatry but the soul-crushing truth is that we dont really dont get to choose our destiny. if you dont have the genes theres no sense in trying because youll never make it. if you do have the genes, why bother? you dont have to prove youre smart and even if you tried you didnt really earn shit because you did nothing to deserve your genes. we have seen self-determination for the lie it is and now society suffers

t. bored EE who wants off this brainlet ride

>>10972743
Just do it bro. You will do fine if you aren’t some shallow normie who has a social life and lets pleasures and distractions get the hold of him.

>>10974154

I'm actually scared to officially test my IQ because knowing it won't really help me. I can estimate it to within half a standard deviation or so by comparing myself to my peers in pure mathematics. Regardless, I still believe in at least some form of biological determinism.

I am not sure if we are talking about undergrad, but in my case I find undergrad physics more challenging, than what undergrad math students study.

>>10972855
Your other option was going to college to study math just to end up unemployed, dumbass

>>10972743
Go into pure math, and if you struggle too much, only then take an IQ test (a good one, not the online survey BS). No point in prematurely stressing about bad IQ test result if it wont impact you much.

>>10972922
Do as this anon says.
Maths is highly competitive if u want to pursue as a career.
If however you want to KnOw thE seCreTs of ReAlity. I suggest if you dont see a fallacy in ur naivety better off yourself by 30.
Delusional fags think with hard work pays off.
Wish this sort of advice get hammered in more to STEM.
Maths is no place for delusional cucks hoping to win meme medals.

>>10974420
So I should listen to some maniac who went on a cumbrain rant about women while trying to explain why Math is an undesirable major?

>>10974432

Except he made good points when he wasn't going on a cumbrain rant. Mathematical talent is as hereditary, scarce, and unevenly distributed as athletic talent. If you're not the best of the best, or at least reasonably close to the top and groomed for the game from childhood, you've already lost. However >>10974420 is retarded because mathematics is an uncountable noun, making maths a retarded britbong abreviation.

>>10972786
>It's another "Anon pulls IQ numbers out of his ass thread"
innit?

>>10973995

Do the undergrad, hard work and dedication can almost certainly get you through that. Just be aware that your genes have determined your success beyond undergrad and plan accordingly; don't invest too deeply in pure math because you most likely will not be able to support yourself doing that.

>>10974432
Its 4chan anon. Ignore the language and really think hard on the message other anon trying to tell you.
Passion isnt enough and those chadbrain will wipe the floor clean leaving you behind.
If you want a proper environment in learning math i suggest just join a math club or be active on math forum.
Not going to uni to “discover” the subject you are way past that time if you think that way entering into a math degree.
Most chadbrain are there to kill no time for learning shit.

>>10974480
Made. ...Japan - dirty.... err

>>10974465
Actually you're all just a bunch of doomer cynical resentful bucket-crab cunts who can't even distinguish developing new mathematical proofs as a tenured professor at Harvard and learning collegiate level math at some bumfuck city's University.

>>10974480
>No anon listen to us. We all took the easy way out and so should you.
>Join us anon, there's plenty of tasty brine down here for all of us

No thanks faggots

>>10974465
>hurr britbong
> me smart its math
You clearly missed the point of the thread. Bet your mommy says you’re real smart. Truly you display original autism.

>>10974484
>>10974490
Based attitude. Even if you fail, well at least you fucking tried

>>10972743
frog looks like carl williams

>>10974465
everything you said was incredibly based. except im not a coomer. I don't even watch porn anymore. no need.
the amount of confidence one sex can give a fucking loser like me is ridiculous. It's like for just that moment I understand what being a chad is like.
I come from a family of lawyers not mathematicians. Frankly I was never cut for it, and it's sad at first but I'm still an undergrad who had enough time to switch.
I must suck for people that don't realize this shit earlier.
>>10974490
I like your sprit guy but I couldn't live with myself selling that shit like it's crack to my friend's mom.
>>10974502
well at least he can't say no one warned him when he gets there.
>>10973968
try this on for size
44^2 = 11*4*11*4 = 11^2*4^2

>>10974484
based

>>10972743
How's your abstract thinking? If you can imagine yourself playing with a Rubik's cube without losing the patterns than you're good to go. You'll have to become a monk and drop 4chan though.

>>10974687
I despise Rubik's cubes, just because of how fucking boring they are. I hope that's not a problem.

>>10974700
I agree they are boring but having them makes normies think you're a brainchad. I like collecting twisty puzzles anyway. Try origami or juggling Also.

>>10974778
Yeah, it's not like I can't delay gratification but what gratification comes from solving a Rubik's cube? Oooh now I know the sekrit to the Le epic color puzzle.

>>10974783
I guess you either feel it or you don't? It's just "fun" I guess. After you learn to solve it unless you speed solve there is not much to do. If you're a math autist like me you like reading about the Rubik's cube group. Also trying to invent other puzzles is fun.

>>10972847
found the american

>>10972922
incel or retarded? I seriously cannot tell

>>10974926
Not gonna lie it was quite comical to read desu.

>>10972922
lmao

>>10972786
Absolute cope average IQ of nobel prize winners is in the 130s, You don't need to have retardedly high IQ to accomplish something in math and physics.

>>10974490

>We all took the easy way out

Except we didn't. Many people who actually did an undergrad in math have warned you that going any further than that is unrealistically difficult. Nobody is saying not to do a math undergrad; most people can work through undergrad math one way or another. It's a career in math that you should be as cautious about pursuing as you would be about professional sports.

>>10975128

Most Nobel prize winners are low IQ experimentalists and don't have sufficient GPU to handle real abstraction. They stayed in their lane and succeeded, whereas pursuing something above their paygrade would have made them nobodies with a handful of low impact publications in literally who journals. Pick your battles wisely.

>>10975391
What about Fields Medal?

>>10972743
If you really want to know I'd say only relaying on a IQ test isn't a good idea, pretty sure there are other tests that can measure your mathematical abilities more specifically. However if you're only in it because you want money, you think you're the next Riemann or you're in it for the recognition and you only need 140+ IQ to "make it" like this faggot >>10973050 thinks then don't bother, you don't have the attitude.

>>10975432

Tfw no short hair fields medalist gf to make high IQ topologist babies with.

Why even draw another single ragged fucking breath on this gay Earth.

>>10974911
I invent abstract games. That was a love spurred by those Binary Arts solitaire puzzles I collected as a kind. I guess stuff moving around on a grid just appeals to me more than the twisty genre. Do you know Absolute Madman Oskarpuzzle?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgGj2wbwF8

>>10975831
>Why even draw another single ragged fucking breath on this gay Earth.
incredibly based.
:( and sad loner pilled

>>10973742
>https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-worries/
>The commenter is right that IQtest.dk usually underestimates scores compared to other tests
Is this true?