/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10898831
About 23

>>10898831
>correlated
>makes you

>>10898831
Like around when I was 19 years old....along with Anxiety too.

I had severe OCD for ten years before finding the right treatment. My life was basically a living hell and I was unable to even tie my shoelaces or wash the dishes witouth some sort of limitation. I was completely unable to work or study, I was on 100% disability government support, and they don't give that even to schizophrenics! I slept 16 hours a day aided by pills in order to shut down my mind as long as possible in order to stop the horrible thoughts I had every fucking second, nonstop, which were extremely frightening and painful. I couldn't control said toughs and the compulsory behavior I performed for each if them in an attemp to suppresed. It was easier for me to keep my hands over a flame than to stop thinki g and doing those things, that's how useless was willpower to control the disease. It's just my experience, but I don't have low IQ, indeed research show that people with PROPERLY DIAGNOSED OCD have a hugher than averga intelligence, as it is needed to produce the complex thoughts that plague their minds in some cases, such as mine. I won't describe exactly what where those thoughts in my case as it is too painful. I'm healthy now and I've been for 10 years already thanks to appropriate theraphy and medications. Thanks to treaent, I now have a full time job, I'm studing at college in my free time, and I live at my own house with my wife and child. All those things were nothing more than a dream while I had full blown OCD. Please do your research before judging such a complex issue so lightly, specially when there's so many people suffering who need the rest of society to understand. Sorry about my english, it's not my primary language.

I wasted 2 years on it. Stopping made me think I was a lazy, useless failure.
>If I cannot even perform this simple ritual, how can I expect to do something great if I'm this lazy?
I would say this to justify it. It's a toxic thought. I would also rationalize it by thinking
>The suffering from this will pay off when I move to university etc..
It didn't. I just realized that I wasted a lot of time, and it was probably a defense mechanism from PTSD-related anxiety from domestic violence throughout my life.
So much time and energy was wasted. Imagine if I learned a language or studied mathematics with all of those hours wasted on rituals.

>>10898878
why do they keep people like this alive?
I don't get it. Oh well.
I don't really find that its the job of society to conform to your needs, asshole. Why spend twice the energy dealing with a fuck up rather than just easily finding a better suited candidate.
I wouldn't want a blind man to do my taxes. Humans are commodity for business, best time we started culling the plagues of productivity.
fucking asshole made a kid too. You'd dare continue your pathetic genes?
retarded women shouldn't control reproduction. Big business should control it.

>>10898878
>>10898886

Beaten it a couple of times first at 15 and again at 20-22 but it's always just waiting for a moment of weakness where I give it an inch and it takes a mile. Currently struggling again after some very stressful life changes. Thinking of getting back on some meds which I hate to do but I don't have time for this shit anymore.

when did you realize you were full of shit?

>>10898905
You thinking you're a better human being just because you have "the right genes" is so fucking wrong.
Read a fucking ethics book, perhaps it'll make you slightly more human, Satan.

>>10898831
When will healthy retards stop thinking nothing they don't personally have doesn't exist?

>>10898916
Never. Positivism bias is an incurable plague.

>>10898908
Good luck with that! If there's life, there's hope

>>10898905
Ocd doesn't run in my family and in my case is the result of traumatic experience. If my son where to develop ocd, he would receive the proper diagnosis inmediately, along with proper treatment, thanks to his ocd-literate father. Ocd is a progressive disease, if caught early, it can even be cured for good, the problem is precisely that diagnosis takes 10 fucking years on average, and finding the right treatment a few years more. If I had receuved treatment fory ocd only one month after the start of my symptoms, which were mild at the beginning, I would have been vured in a few weeks, believe me. Ocd prevalence in general population is 1-3%, the son of a healthy person is at greater risk of swvere ocd than that of a father who suffers ocd, as the former isn't prepared to find quick treatment for him. I'm your case, as you don't even believe ocd exists, your poor son will be doomed. You're pro eugenesics, are you really sure you won't be discarded along me? You're clearly not very intelligent, reavhing conclusions about a subject you don't know nothing about, even when you have decades of research at the reach of your fingertips

Imagine being that wrong

>>10898915
>ethics
useless serves no purpose, hinders progress.
ethics isn't objective because they're based off false notions.
your morality is sickening.
>perhaps it'll make you slightly more human
I'm inhuman? well if you're the epitome of what being human is, then I'd rather abstain from such an offer.
>Satan
wrong, my name is Tyrone.
How am I the immoral one? I simply find that allowing defective humans to roam is not only cruel to them by letting them exist, but also unproductive. Allowing those genes to propagate could affect thousands of people in the coming generations. It propagates insecurity and human suffering. It's cruel to let those people exist.
Without controlled reproduction we threaten our entire species and progress. Our populations are too high which results in suffering and we propagate the weak by allowing them to live when they should have died in their infancy. Look at how plagued this site is with intel freaks, that's genetic degeneracy at its finest. If we controlled the populations in third world countries we could cut their numbers into the simple thousands and provide much more valuable aid to them, possibly allowing them to advance into a modern civilizations. They wouldn't be starving anymore, they wouldn't be thrusting, etc.
stop being such a selfish freak. It's simple too.
let say we offer starving africans food and money for a vasectomy, we treat them, they're healed and we give them what was promised a simple amount of food and aid.
we offer mentally ill freaks like you full government aid for a vasectomy and we slow genetic degeneracy. That's just a small taste to my whole system of practical reproduction policies.
god you are more insufferable than those moronic /pol/tards.

>>10898950
>discarded along me
wrong. Of course I will. I simply allow the idea to flourish, then when installed I and other worthless scum will the eliminated. You see I suffer from poor eye sight as well as heart problems and genetic propensity for diabetes (although I don't have it, it runs though my veins). You're wrong in your assumption that my plan protects even me simply cause I support it. Dumbass

>another IQ thread

>>10898975
You're so short sighted and I'm actually glad you brought up Africa, not only because now I have a chance to educate you on the matter, but only because your thinly veiled racism is completely noticeable.

>ethics serves no purpose
Ethics serves so much purpose, it's the basic thread of society. A good ethical code is not only ingrained in social animals, it's what makes us thrive. Abandoning ethics means you don't need/want a future where humans are present at all.
We wouldn't be here if we'd condone rape and killing.

Humans have been aided by tools and machinery (I don't know if you've heard of this little thing called the Industrial revolution), basically since we've domesticated animals.
We rely heavily on our cognitive capacity. Why not maximize that by maximizing the amount of people that can contribute, able bodied or not?
If you can cure a guy from a certain disease he can now contribute to society and slightly alleviate the burden from everyone else.

As for Africa, the reason they're undernourished is complex issue and it basically comes down to: geography (arable land + available staple crops), nutritional problems with staple crops (banana and cassava), the issues with pathogens plaguing the staple crops and the endless cycle of malnourished generations not being able to fully potentiate.

You have some easy speaking by leading a comfortable life, coming from ancestors that did unbelievable things to make your life so fucking comfy today.
Oh, and also, all the resources and infrastructure that was destroyed during colonialism. But I bet you think they're all just lazy fucks that don't want to drag themselves out of the mud anyway, no?

>>10899018
>thinly veiled racism is completely noticeable.
>racism
nice buzz word guy, but I really don't care im not even white lol.
Mental illness is usually a wh*toid disease, so if anything you are afraid of being weeded out. Also this is not relevant to race, only genetics and suffering.
>Ethics...killing.
boring
>you can cure a guy from a certain disease he can now contribute to society and slightly alleviate the burden from everyone else.
you lose nothing if you simply let him die off and replace him with a more able bodied person. Actually you gain a lot. You save money and time from the curing process and you get a more practical body.
and if you want to maximize cognitive talent you really don't want to think disabled people succeed more. Again you can just use a person that is two times better and achieve either the same or more.
you've not convinced me at all.
>Africa
IF I have a thousand dollars of aid to spare to them to help those issues they aid could only get to so many people before the money is split into a non-useful amount.
Where as if the population is shrunken aid could be many times more effective.
stop your selfish self indulging ways of "everyone matters! oh the individual!" your damaging to the whole of the people. Names mean nothing.
>that did unbelievable
what do you mean? i'm intrigued.
also maybe you don't know but a personal effort is required too. I get invested in my my parents by them giving me resources, and I in return work hard in my classes to pass uni to get a job so I can propagate my genes, their genes. Well my father isn't part of the equation but you get it.
>lazy fucks
wrong, I think they work to their bones just to snuggle and survive. But they'll get nothing from their effort except for their hard survival.
You have a weak preconceived view of me.
I assume you think im some dumbass, /pol/tard, that supports nazis and white power. But you'd be undoubtably wrong my friend. FUkcing wh*toid scum

>>10899076
Look, I get that populations are a statistics game. And LOGICALLY it makes the "most sense", although if you view everything like a mathematical equation, we should have around 100 million people on the planet max or something.
Buzz words? You're literally saying to purge third world countries because they're overpopulated.

>you lose nothing if you simply let him die off and replace him with a more able bodied person.
How are you simply going to replace people? Hey, just take over my farm, bro, I'll just go die now.
You think letting people die is just a one and done deal? You need infrastructure, you need people dedicated to removing bodies, etc.
Having more thinking minds in society is vastly better than having less thinking minds, it's quite simple desu.

>what do you mean? i'm intrigued.
Building cities, railroads, highways, high tech machinery, producing food, inventing/figuring out better ways to farm, etc.
This is a necessity for your ancestors to have done if you want to be born into a comfortable life.

The continents ravaged by colonialism had their kingdoms fucked up, their cultures raised, populations essentially became slaves for mass export, yet they have to bare the consequences. They're working hard, but they're getting there. Once they get their foods biofortified, we'll see the real surge of Africa. In the next 100 years it'll be a real force to be reckoned with and every racist alive today would eat their words if they could

>You have a weak preconceived view of me.
Maybe I did make some assumptions, but you sounding like every other guy here, doesn't help elucidate the fact that you're not.

>>10898878
Flick the light off and on five times or I win. Are you a loser?

>>10899113
>Look, I get that populations are a statistics game. And LOGICALLY it makes the "most sense", although if you view everything like a mathematical equation, we should have around 100 million people on the planet max or something.
is there something wrong with that?
with more advancement in technology we can afford to have less and less people.
>You're literally saying to purge third world countries because they're overpopulated.
meh, nothing wrong with that.
>Having more thinking minds in society is vastly better than having less thinking minds, it's quite simple desu.
i'd rather have 10 great minds than 1,000 retards.
>This is a necessity for your ancestors to have done if you want to be born into a comfortable life.
and they couldn't have been slaving away in the mines, railroads, fields, etc if they spent all their time being a huge fucking burden, sleeping all day, needing to be cared for etc.
>In the next 100 years it'll be a real force to be reckoned with and every racist alive today would eat their words if they could
so? that sounds good for them. Racism is a mental illness that needs to be purged. I simply think that the less people the more productive the aid.
flow of foreigners is good, they bring new genes, maybe even bettering the two groups.
the money that goes to mouth breathing flesh bags that are incapable of intelligent thoughts would be much better spent on prodigy students to aid their studies.
reallocating where money goes is important to ensuring better genes.
we don't need to support genetic dead ends, we need to support good genes.
if genetic dead ends want aid then they should trade their ability to breed for a few NEET bux

>>10898908
If you want to permanently overcome it, you'll need to open and close every window in, your house.

>>10898908
do you ever walking in a mall and see those tiles? do you think your right or left foot has touched the line more?
and what about the tiles with different colors? did my right foot touch more blue tiles than white ones?

>>10898831
>OCD is a bullshit disorder that you can just stop indulging in and it goes away almost immediately. It's also correlated with a low IQ,


Howard Hughes would like to have a word with you

>>10898831
Nah that's retarded and so are you.

OCD is basically an anxiety disorder based on an inability to be at peace with uncertainty that has a maladaptive, irrational coping mechanism tacked on. You're effectively so desperate to be sure everything's fine, hat you'll instinctively accept that unrelated or barely related things you do can bring some certainty to your life.

So as a broad example, say you're afraid you're a pedophile when you're not. But you have anxiety because to you that would be the worst possible thing, so the fact that its impossible to know that deep down in some crazy The Machinist way you're not a repressed pedophile, your OCD brain experiences turmoil. You start imagining fucking kids in the same way that, when prompted, it's impossible to not think of a pink elephant.

You become so tormented your brain forges an insane connection. Opening and closing doors 5 times mean you're not a pedophile. You usually know 100 percent that makes no sense. But if you do it, somehow, the fear of being a pedophile abates.

If you stop indulging in compulsions altogether it IS usually an improvement, but you're still dealing with a lot of mental turmoil that made you start doing compulsions in the first place.

>>10898905
>Why spend twice the energy dealing with a fuck up
Because a truly strong society has so much energy to spare that it doesn't matter. This is why you only see behavior such as yours in societies on the brink of annihilation, when energy absolutely must be conserved towards the best possible chance for the future generation, or those in the throes of mass paranoia, when it is falsely believed that the first case is true. The latter occurs when a small group of “elites” (smugly self-defined) have hijacked social mores towards their own gain to such an extent that the average person genuinely believes that they must destroy their neighbor to save themselves. We are suffering within this second case now.

Strong societies take care of their weak because it does no harm to them to do so. Strong people take care of weak people because they have enough strength for themselves and others. You believe that we must “cull the plagues of productivity” because your masters whisper in your ear that it is necessary, and you follow their gospel, not seeing the strings that you are dancing from. You and millions of others have been completely and utterly deceived and are so unaware of it that you take pride in desiring the downfall of your fellow countrymen for the gain of these few. In your mind, the “superiority” of your genes requires you to eliminate the “weak” so that you are not overrun. But, by definition, how could the truly weak ever overcome the truly strong? The fact that you see them as a threat betrays that whisper corrupting any true strength that you may have ever had.

If you were strong, you would not fear the dregs, for they could never harm you. You would not covet energy, for you would have a limitless supply. You would not flaunt superiority, for it would be immediately apparent to all.

But you are not strong. Not anymore. You have allowed frailty to flourish in your self-righteous hatred of others.

You are the weakness you fear.

>>10898831
i don't know if you're trolling or ignorant, but it's correlated with a high iq

>>10900098
wow. kid that was pretty epic of you. nice bait but no thanks.

>>10898905
>why do they keep people like YOU alive?
>I don't get it.

>>10898831
>you can just stop indulging
Maybe you could just stop indulging your Medieval medical notions.

is ocd about associations, and like every 3 minutes is good to send a text or something? makes me think

>>10898878
Glad you’re doing well now anon. I’ve been there and it’s totally fucked. I know your feels. Ruined my life completely when it was at its worst. Set me back so far that I have a hard time accepting my life now and moving on.

>>10901328
i love the number 3. I have these retarded superstitions like if something is not an odd number its fucked up. OCD is gay

>>10898831
>Ocd bullshit
yeah maybe the cleaning versions
real OCD has to do with areas in the brain that are hyperactive and therefore you are constantly in fight or flight mode. It actually goes away usually when your brain is finished developing in your mid twenties

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>>10900124
Exposure therapy is unanimously regarded as the best treatment, because it makes you refuse to indulge in it.

>>10901414
if they indulge just beat the shit out of them. make the suck your cock as many times as the highest prime number they can think of in ten seconds and repeat until you've cured the little shit head.

>>10898905
unironically swallow a loaded gun

>>10898831
When I developed my own calendrical calculation algorithm (I can do it in miliseconds. Really off the charts) yet scored on the 74th percentile on Mensa.

>>10901414
Thank you.

>>10901370
>It actually goes away usually when your brain is finished developing in your mid twenties
Is this true? I'm 23 now. It's not a burden anymore, but my personality definitely remains obsessive. Will it wane more with time?

>>10900098
spoken like a true npc

>>10902039
mega dose glycine and vitamins, spend lots of time in the sun and in the company of friends it will mostly go into remission.

>>10898831
>you can just stop indulging in and it goes away almost immediately
This is true of depression too. Take or leave my anecdotal experience here but once I learned depression damages the brain I stopped choosing to indulge in it when/if ever it starts to arise.

>>10903009
I should also mention I developed moderate ocd subconsciously as a coping mechanism for my adhd and got over that upon realizing it and seeing how much time I was wasting by being neurotic.

>>10903009
This is the best way to stop. When you read all of the studies which show how mental illness is cognitively degenerative, it is convincing thay all of the delusions and rituals are a waste of your limited time and energy.

>>10901414
Im the anon who described his terrible experience with severe ocd which lasted 10 years. That is the exact therapy that saved my life, "exposure and response prevention therapy", however, it requires enlrmois willpower as you must let your fears go rampant in your mind refraining to do anything to stop then. It is easier to walk over fire on a daiky basis that to do this therapy, however, if you really want to get your life back, you'll do it. It took me one year of doing it to recover, and I don't think it would have been possible without the aid of the medications, they work better together, this has been proven by clinical studies

>>10898831
before i had it

>>10898905
based and iq-pilled. thank you

>>10899076
based nigger. You are allowed in the ethnostate.

>>10898905
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>>10898975
>believing in such a thing as "progress"
>believing that ethics is useless, because it is based upon false notions

Choose one

The concept of progress is just as fake as notions like good and bad, in fact progress is (semantically speaking) ipso facto good. Be consistent and become a nihilist, whether carbon atoms are part of butanol molecules or are part of peptide molecules that constitute part of an organism, regardless of whether this organism is maladapted or not, is of no objective value.

If you were a real darwinist you'd realize that the genetic worth of an individual (which is not an ethical question, adaptions happen and when they are beneficial it just leads to higher fitness. Sand doesn't permeate the paper filter of a funnel, while water does. Does this mean that water is superior to sand? It's just happens. You're insane.) is relative to the environment it inhabites. No human being can survive the harsh environment of the inside of a volcano, yet archaea are known to thrive in such harsh environments. The majority of the members of this site - including most likely you - are of "low genetic worth" - yet it has been one of the most impactful websites in webhistory. From Bill O'Really freaking out about the stolen e-mails of his waifu Sarah Palin to the current demonization of 4chan by tumblresque politicians.
What have all these amazing men of high genetic quality achieved except wageslaving to be able to consume and behave immorally during the weekends? What real impact are they having on this world?
And what has their impact been on world history, were the initiators of the paradigm shifts (Newton and Einstein) within physics that created our modern world men of high genetic quality? Newton was a mentally unstable, loner autist and Einstein, well look at pictures of him. Stop indulging yourself in some masochistic worldview that has long been debunked and start reading up on materialism and transhumanism.

>>10898831
>It's also correlated with a low IQ, too, so indulging in it actually makes you dumb.
That's not how correlation works.
Your chance of having sickle cell anemia and your chance of being arrested for a violent crime are both higher if you're black, which in turn means a high propensity for violent crime is correlated with sickle cell anemia. That doesn't mean you become less prone to violence if you get your sickle cell disease cured through a bone marrow transplant.

>>10898905
>le rule of le ig bussiness!!
>he has money so he is smart
sure thing retard. have you heard of inheritnce? i would agree if you said intelligent people instead of that

>>10898905
The right answer is to intervene in elementary school, hoesntly we are the ones that fucked up his life and we owe it to him to fix it, and becuase of his infortory feeling he could work harder and pay off with 40 years of work

>>10902965
Explain how it is harmful to a society with ample energy to help those that they consider “weak”. Truly weak societies obviously cannot do so because they have to reserve energy for the strongest in order to ensure their continued existence. A strong society, full of strong individuals, does not need to worry about its continued existence by definition, no matter how much energy they “waste” on the “weak”. Whether we live in a weak or a strong society can be argued, but the rest cannot.

At least I have an argument beyond baby-ass memefaggotry.

>>10903009
You guys are all assuming that ceasing the indulgence came before the “curing” of the illness. It seems far more likely to me that ceasing the indulgence is a symptom of the illness becoming cured, not the other way around. I'm sure, from your viewpoint, it seemed like you just decided to stop indulging, but how can you know that the illness wasn't already getting better before you had that thought? Don't assume that other people are ill simply because they haven't decided to magically get better, because then you lose all empathy for them and can treat them in ways that they do not deserve to be treated.

>>10904519
Depression was periodical for me. The aforementioned realization came while not in a depressed spell.

>>10902973
What does glycine do

>>10904351
intelligent people do not work at mc donalds.
you could have studied pure maths in your free time or just went after you had money.
I think you really misunderstand what intelligence is.
SO YES intelligent people, but not the retard that think they're smart cuz 'MUH AUTISMIC DEGREE'
>>10904392
endenturement?
>>10904309
im not going to read your bull shit. Progress is subjective. You can progress human satisfaction or health but you can also progress the porn industry and the economy.
The progress I refer to is the progress towards advancing knowledge and the creation of an übermensch, a deity, a being that is undeniable superior.
Anything beyond those goals are pointless to consider due to human's insignificant brains.
>>10904191
based
>>10904509
well, simple we could have use that energy to make a golden hammer to throw at porcelain plates we made.
Or the energy it costs to keep a guy who was forcibly created, that's severely debilitated, could be rather used on powering my computer to download more porn.
>baby-ass memefaggotry
not an argument.
>>10902017
it would be quite difficult to swallow a whole gun. I might choke.

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>>10904509
Nobody cares about your off-topic stupidity. Fuck off.

>>10904581
I'm not sure what made you this way, whether you grew up wealthy and spoiled or poor and angry at your parents for not “working hard enough” or some variation of that bullshit. Regardless, you're clearly a sociopath and probably proud of it. There's nothing that could be said to you to generate empathy in your malformed brain because you simply lack the mental ability to do so. You're quite literally mentally retarded. While that may normally garner sympathy, plenty of retards manage to fit perfectly well into society, morality and all, and so you deserve nothing but indifference or contempt. Your definition of progress reflects your mental instability and need for constant control. Your definition of intelligence reflects your anger at the poor and willingness to make broad, ridiculous statements that you believe prove that your emotionless hatred is warranted. You've built up all of these special definitions in order make your disability seem like anything but.

tl;dr You only believe all of that because your brain doesn't work right, dumdum. Don't expect to convince people with properly functioning brains of anything with your dumdum logic.

>>10898831
>compusively pop my ankle
>try to stop
>the feeling that it needs to be popped annoys me and I can't stop fixating on it
>feel itchy all over
>my own fingers touching each other annoys me
>feel like just fucking slamming my head into a wall because it's driving me crazy

Yeah, totally made up

>>10904966
I might have mild OCD, i obsessively pop my ears and crack my neck and i have to do it exactly 20 times. I also have terrible thoughts that torment my head.

>>10904977
You unquestionably have it. It's caused by lack of serotonin. Literally. I looked up the genes for it. Mosty serotonin related. Get on them SSRI

>>10904985
I was on Zoloft and i was still depressed as fuck and i gained 50 lbs