/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10824004
Maybe learn a trade, honest manual labor is definitely meaningful, probably more so than the work most academics are doing these days.

>>10824043
I guess that would at least be a way to make money. Though again, I really had aspirations to make something of myself, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I wanted to do something I really cared about and enjoyed. I don't even know what trades I would like to do.

>>10824065
There's more to life than money and material possessions. We all have limitations, God doesn't expect us to do what is not possible for us. He only asks that we try our best with what we are given. Besides, if you really, truly do not have the capacity for critical thinking or complex mathematics you probably would not find jobs that require critical thinking or complex mathematics very enjoyable or fulfilling.

>>10824004
You seem to be pretty capable verbally. There are tons of people who are successful and didn't do tons of math.

>>10824004
Go into memorisation based education like chemistry or medicine

>>10824043
Not him but I'm also lame. My days will soon be over.

>>10824004
Try sales. Some people really become sales superstars and make bank with commission

You didn't have thoughts like "I'm not capable of mathematics" when you first set out to improve your life. But when you encountered adversity this narrative popped in your head that says "I simply can't do it" when in reality you are on track and developing your ability. Math and martial arts aren't do different, neither are something you can sit through a class and learn or become proficient af after a lesson. They need to be practiced and trained. Let go of any preconceived notions or narratives about your ability, develop a mindset fixed on progression and development as opposed to static ability. And also take stock of how much you enjoy math. If it's not something you find fulfilling and enjoying there are plenty of opportunities to be successful in other fields. Best wishes my friend.

Tfw high iq but didn't have parents to push me to greatness

>another iq thread

>>10824435
what’s your tested iq and college major?

>>10824004
drugs

>>10824435
>le smart but lazy

>>10824004
First of all, an IQ of 94-98 is not low. You're a normie.

Secondly, you could switch from mathematics to CS. I'm a Computer Scientist myself and I can tell you that even the dumbest man can make it in this field.

Just think up some stupid fad that retarded children will gobble up like fidget spinners. Then dab on academics with your wealth.

>>10824004
IQ means NOTHING. Dude, just find something you like to do and do it well. Life ain't all that complex.

>tfw high IQ but I also ended up a tranny so I'm fucked anyway

>>10824794
anything below 130 is low

>>10825421
Don't be so hard on yourself :^)

>>10824794
>Computer Scientist
No you’re a software developer or undergrad in CS. Literally all of TCS is math. Anyone who is anyone in CS is a good mathematical researcher. Source: any given modern complexity paper
t. Analytic number theory researcher

>>10825403
takes a high iq to do that lol

>>10825609
>No you’re a software developer or undergrad in CS.
I have a master's degree in CS, currently a PhD student. It's just a fact that CS is a lot easier subject than something like mathematics or physics. Admit the facts and move on with your life.

t. >>10824794

>>10825627
>masters degree in CS
Ah, I get it. Masters degrees are generally super watered down.
>easier
I repeat, what subfields? Systems, sure. Complexity? Not even close lmao. Even reasonably “easy” things reach around lots of topics in pure mathematics. Classical SAT is easy, but modern research in lower bounds? In analysis in complexity? In lifting theorems? Novel results in circuit problems or in AC0? If they’re so easy, why don’t “proper” mathematicians like Wigderson have no answer/proof for them? What qualifies as “CS” that it’s easier than math and physics?

The reason I care so much is because half my papers were written in conjunction with a CS PhD student. This is more or less the norm. CS and math students generally work on the same problems, and to suggest that TCS is somehow “easier” than math is either saying one of the oldest studies in math (number theory) that contains a large volume of insanely hard open problems is easier than most other fields of math, or that TCS isn’t math (from combinatorics to analysis to geometry). Both of these assertions are stupid

>>10825627
>masters degree
so, bullshit? Everyone knows the masters in CS is made for business boomers who want to learn2code. Even the classes they have you take for math knowledge is usually cucked optimization and learning classes for “””””applied mathematics”””””” whereas I’ve never seen a CS theorist who hasn’t had at least 3-4 semesters of abstract algebra to name just one subject.
>PhD
What subfield?

>>10824004
Stop applying a reference score to normative intelligence.
You want to study cognition and school of thoughts. Particularly logic, and how to counterintuitively apply it.
You're in the mecca for double meaning and hidden answers. If you understand a esoteric meme, or post rationalism with ironic twits in a multimedia platform.
Then guess what. You're fucking primed for theoretical physics.
You think rote learned faggots are the innovative powerhouse?
Fuck no!

I've been making those fags look like downies. All because they can't interpret a non /known/ concept.
Watch this all the way through. It starts off jiggling atoms. But he makes a key statement about how individuals operate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ww1IXRfTA&list=WL&index=61&t=0s

Tl;Dr
Normal fags think one way. But innovators abused Tulpamacy for a heads up display. T
he weeping imaginary rape victim might be a problem. But dude.. Organic heads up display, in exchange for sobs no one else can hear.

>>10825761
>I've been making those fags look like downies.
Sorry, forgot my hat.

>>10825627
So no answer for >>10825651 and >>10825703 I take it? Just another larper lol. Either that or he’s in a brainlet subfield

>>10824065
Where i live academics make poor money and all hope to get hired by some gov funded project. Most of them have their breakthrough at 45.
Meanwhile my roastie neighbour works 2 days a week and rents out flats she had fixed by romanian workers.
My contractor for drywalling told me his guys go out with 4000 bucks per month. My ex gf will get 2200 for several years if she wants to get her PhD at some research facility.

Just to give you some perspective.

OP I've failed it four times and finally got it. It took me so many tries to actually understand what I was doing wrong. To understand why I was having problems. All I needed as a brainlet was learn to apply it and understand it fully rather than by rote, i didnt get the unit circle, just memorizing
Im lucky my last professor pushed us to understand theorems and properly writing them as well as throwing in nuggets of history and bringing it all together
I may have failed so many times and it's embarrassing af, but I learned more about myself and habits and how to correct them to succeed.
Am I going to be a mathematical whiz? No
And I can accept that because I understand my limits.
I know it gets a lot harder, but I believe I can do it, and I will
Don't give up faggot

>>10824004
Become an HVAC technician or welder.

>>10824004
Read about intelligence on https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Simple_formula_for_high_intelligence.. tl;dr, you can become a "genius" at any subject if you have an interest in it and are capable of the basics. It doesn't have to be STEM. There are tons of manual crafts in which you can become a genius.
Also, you won't get rich by learning math, unless you go the quant or elite coder route. The reason you can get rich from these is because you're participating in financial rape of the masses. If you want to be relatively well off doing something you love, start a business you care about.

>>10825863
Idk, I think this idea of “the other side has it bad” is massive cope both sides have about the other. One side looks at certain professions as “low” and the other looks at the alternative and memes “lol you make no money.” Neither are exactly true. The thing is that you ought to find out fast what you enjoy and spend all your energy pursuing it. There’s literally no reason to do otherwise. If that’s academics, then its a hard and competitive field, but if you really want to find your niche, you can, but you have to be aware that if you feel behind, it’s the type of thing you will have to work at constantly to keep up.

None of this is to suggest that struggling is bad; struggling at key points is imperative to real understanding and growth, but if you’re stuck on the rudiments all the time it can be tough to progress. On the flip side, if you wanna do something else, they come with their own set of challenges and obstacles.

>>10825410
At least you can get some skin contact now.

>>10825881
Strong man

>>10825703
>Everyone knows the masters in CS is made for business boomers who want to learn2code.
I hate /sci/

>>10824004
I am studying PhD in neuroscience my IQ is around the same! You can always try a different field.

>>10825846
Not him. But I hope someone asks me those questions and accuses me of larping. I'm lonely and my collegues at work don't care about me talking about my reaearch. They only care about theirs.

>>10826495
I mean, it’s more or less true. There was a huge disparity between the masters students and the PhD students in my classes. My friends / colleagues have reported the same thing. Look at masters vs PhD level CS. The picture is like night and day. Masters CS students are brainlets who do applied mathematical techniques for some industry related venture versus students who are versed in actual CS as a discipline. They’re the people who sell you on the idea of CS as training for industry, as CS as basics for software dev and only useful for services. They aren’t representative of what CS is.

>>10824004
Ignorance is bliss.

>>10824004
spend your free time doing math
if you get good enough you can try apply again
autodidactism is underrated

>>10825651
Interesting technique i like that you wear them down so aggressively

>>10826532
>velueving the IQ meem

>>10826571
I have normal intelligence. Nothing wrong with that. Although I guess it takes me a longer to do things twice as long but there really isn't much to do at home other than go on here so I stay in the lab till I feel tired.

I can probably empathize with other people more than smarter people so I'm happy. It is just no one wants to talk to me at work. I guess it might have something to do with me not being able to empathize with smart people.

Go into a non stem field, no big deal.

>>10824004
This unironically sucks for you.
If you're lucky you can still escape poor finances if you have an entrepreneurial instinct and learn basic financial principles (investing in index funds, not having unnecessary expenses and so forth).

Learn HVAC

>>10824004
If you're not larping, trades are perfect for people in your IQ range. You can make high five to low six figures in most trades even as a brainlet, assuming you're a hard worker.

>>10824004

If you insist on continuing on the university route, just do CS or any engineering except electrical/mechanical and your average IQ shouldn't be a problem if you study twice as hard as anyone else.

As other anons pointed out, though, you'd probably be more in your element learning a trade. Even if you get the degree after years of arduous work, employers will quickly decide you're not worth their time if it takes you twice as long to solve problems and get shit done as your ~120IQ competition. Sorry, anon, the genetic lottery wasn't kind to me either.

>>10824004
You’re fine

>>10825410
detransition

>>10827932
what if OP does ChemE or NuclearE or biomedicalE? All three are harder than mechanical.

>>10824004
you have nothing to worry about

>>10826568
Brainlets shittalk on software dev and then lump CS into it because undergrad programs have watered their curriculum down to cater to the laziest, most brainlet, most deadbeat "I-want-to-have-engineering-cred-without-doing-an-engineering-program" students ever. Don't get me wrong, there are good undergrad programs out there for both the more engineering or mathematical sides of the study respectively.

Also, I don't have anything against software dev / software engineering as a discipline. There are some insanely impressive and difficult projects out there that are the feat of lots of hours and intellect. I just think the average CS student doesn't want to do that / aspire to that and want respect and salary through association with much better engineers than they are. Then again, I see the same among many undergrad engineering students too.

>>10826495
/sci/ probably hates you too. What about this is wrong?

>>10828645
good god this image is so succinct

>>10828485

Then OP would fail, either in undergrad, or, even if he pulled through the degree, as noted above, he'd flop in the job market. I remember an anon who claimed to have an IQ in the high eighties, who worked intensely and with a lot of outside help to get an engineering degree. His family was proud of him for proving the value of "muh hard work". He proceeded to fail at every job he worked because he was so much slower than everyone else; regardless of whether he got the job done or not, his IQ made progress take place at an unacceptably slow rate.

The genetic lottery is not fair. Not everyone can perform acceptably in thinking intensive jobs, just like not everyone can perform acceptably on a basketball court.

>low IQ
>but pretty decent at planning my life
Could be worse

>>10828793
This could be me
I just haven't graduated yet
Fuck my life
I am slow as fuck

>>10828838

Me too, anon. I keep my grades up by pre gaming my classes during breaks and having zero hobbies or extracurriculars during the school year. It makes professors think I'm competent, but now that I've actually gotten into research it's becoming painfully obvious that I'm the dullest guy in my group and take days or weeks to somewhat grasp what comes to the other guys in a few hours. I'll be working twice the hours my whole life to stay ahead and that's just my lot in life.

Get into finance asap

>>10824435
Yep me too, spent 16 years after school in factory jobs then at 34 did my bachelors in CS & applied mathematics coming away with a first.

My parents were too easy going which as a teen was great, wish they had pushed me to pursue my interests after I left school...school btw bored me to death, I didn’t revise or even give a fuck in lessons and still walked with 5 A’s, should of applied myself better, but meh, hindsight and all that.

Don’t force yourself. Try a lot of different things and find what you’re good at and then stick to it. Imagine Mike Tyson never trying out boxing and going into math instead. Wouldn’t work out. I loved math too but sucked at it, visibly took me longer to grasp concepts than others in my class. Maybe my IQ is also low but I was creative so now I make good money at an advertising job and write books on the side. With math I would probably have flunked out in 3rd year uni

There must be a talent in there somewhere, for something. Find it and get to work

>>10824004
have sex

>>10824004
I thought that people around 100 IQ were virtually incapable to write properly, but you seem very articulate and self aware, OP.
Am I underestimating the learning power of low IQ people or are you smarter than suggested by the internet tests you're taking?

I'm high IQ but lazy as fuck and never had a proper job in my life. I hope I can get into a PhD program next year so academia keeps feeding my lazy ass while I just nerd out, which is unironically the only thing I've ever been good at.

>>10824004
have sex OP

>>10824084

>>10825778
idk man it's such a hilarious line I actually give him credit

>>10830547
>phoneposting animefag thinks he is the arbiter of 4channeler intelligence
kek

>>10830547
Anime has rotten your brain

>>10824004
What about engineering or anything more practical? Not manual labor (which is btw not bad by any means) but requires more practical thinking than just theoretical stuff.

>>10830553
I'm going to need you to carefully explain. What your version of events are to that comment.

I'm on that many layers of abstraction, and lack of critique bias.

I'm so glad someone took the bullet to make this thread. Whats the best midwit career that's respectable and make good pay?

>>10830922
Depends of if you think wood works is for faggots that can't read a tape measure.
And if you have any artist ability.

Custom unique works are always good. And ripping off a amazing 10 YouTube vid won't matter.
As 10 year olds and people amazed by the same 50 objects over 40 videos are probably best avoided.

Anything else is cubical. And only one man understands that.

>>10830922
Gain self respect for yourself and stop referring to yourself in a derogatory manner. After that’s done, pick something that’s interesting and important and throw yourself at it. It doesn’t matter if it’s “hard” or “easy”. If you enjoy it, it feels important to some cause or another, and it pays you up to your desired salary, then your intuition will generally lead you in the right direction