/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10744781

my mom is so fat she monitors her diabetes from a beeper that uses a plug some surgeon installed in her

she also got a second kidney and sometimes does dialysis because she's also a chain smoker

>>10744781
Robots are nice

>>10744781
It will become like clothes.
Primitive people could only dress for purpose and had less choice. Today, anyone can wear anything to express themselves.
Naturally, because we live in a capitalist hellscape, human modification companies will try to shape how we should look like.

>>10744785
Like, an extra kidney!?

>>10744785
Sounds like a female Darth Vader for me.

>>10744787
>t. robot

>>10744781
Honestly kinda scared of it.
Inevitably lots of people are going to try uploading their minds to robots but since robots aren't conscious that'll effectively be mass suicide. And with robots acting like normal we won't know there's anything going wrong and keep doing it until there are no living people left.

It's a very natural evolutionary process! It may become so good and advanced that it can apear seamless for those wanting to retain A more natural look!

>>10744948
it will be realer than real life

Next logical step for the human specie, we won't leave this earth without first become post-human.

>>10744978
Question is: will the future be like Blade Runner (biorobot slaves) or like Warhammer 40k (primarchs and astartes)?

Personally, me and a group of other mathematicians and computer scientists are working on an AI who's function is to remove all post- renaissance era technology and that will scan and observe human activity to remove any attempts to develop beyond that.
We will force the world and our species to be locked in a renaissance era, forever. The machine will also monitor space and such so that we aren't taken out by asteroids or anything like that.

>>10744781
Transhumanism will be the "common sense" of the future since our depreciated organic body has full bugs and not optimized for intelligence.

>>10744781
I have mixed feeling about it. It'd be very cool to live with an enhanced body but then there's no guarantee it wouldn't influence my free will. A simple backdoor code could move my body against my will and make me do things that I don't want to do.
>inb4 free will doesn't exist

>>10745000
I am personally working on making an ai that will build me a team of mathematicians who will deduce wether you are a threat to us or not and will help me control the world through sheer logic. I hope you are joking.

My personal fact on it is that it's not science or math.

>>10744990
Neither, both are too extreme vision.

>>10745000
Nice fanfiction, role-playing retard. Hope it can also prevent ice ages and the sun expanding into a red giant.

>>10745038
Ok then give me an example

>>10744785
the body can take some serious abuse mang. eventually organs will be just some machine with hot swappable filters.

>>10744781
I want to call myself a transhumanist, but honestly don't know enough about tech to know if it will happen in my lifetime

>>10744781
All for it! I want immortality!

Pointless thread. You won't be able to be a transhumanist for another 60 years at least.

>>10744781
I'm looking forward to it. Not because I plan on myself or my family embracing transhumanism, mind you, but because after all the normal people upload themselves into virtual utopias, the only people that will be left behind are the hyper-religious folks, paranoiacs, and weirdos, and I'd honestly much rather live in a world with those people.

>>10744781
transhumanism is good only if it is libertarian transhumanism

>>10744781
currently it is some incredibly cringy shit full of literal retards talking some mad shit

but merging with machines to improve nature is a cool concept, it is basically the medicine that we already have but on steroids, i wish i was born in such era

>>10747639
A guy with silicon horns with a button in his hand that unlocks a door doesnt reflect every current part of it.
Think more Elon Musk and his fuckin AI-Brain interface thingy

>>10747960
>Think more Elon Musk and his fuckin AI-Brain interface
You mean Neuralink?They're making no progress dude. He was supposed to announce something months ago and we haven't heard a peep. I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped the project.

>>10744781
But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

>>10744781
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

>>10744781
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

>>10744781
>trans
You can't dialiate here, tranny.

>>10747967
What an awful narrow minded opinion. Before technology man was nothing but cattle, slaves to a god who cursed their existance. Now, humanity are the gods, and while they still try to keep the chains tethered they rust and break away. Compared to life not even 100 years ago, we live in a paradise. Not because of god and faith but because of ourselves, our ingenuity and science.

These "human weaknesses" you speak are wholly unique and thus useful. There would be no point in destroying something so valuable just to replace it with a robot that can be manufactured much more easily.

>>10747968
I dont think you grasp the gravity of a post singularity society. The levels of intelligence and computing power would eliminate all need for things to be "useful" since there would be nothing do be useful for. This would also eliminate competition, as at that point society would evolve beyond scarcity.

Evolution is a biological process that works purely because it is automatic, there is no intelligent thought involved. As such it is pointless to apply its processes to an intelligent non-organic developmental system.

>>10747960
>his fuckin AI-Brain interface
that is a meme scam to attract investors

>>10744915
>Inevitably lots of people are going to try uploading their minds to robots but since robots aren't conscious that'll effectively be mass suicide.

Prove it.

>And with robots acting like normal we won't know there's anything going wrong and keep doing it until there are no living people left.

You just admitted it’s unfalsifiable so you have no way to prove it. Kill yourself.

>>10744781
It’ll be badass and I can’t wait to be part of the machine collective God-Logos nexus that will turn the entire galaxy into computronium.

>>10748080
>Compared to life not even 100 years ago, we live in a paradise.

Not that guy and not even a luddite but what the fuck do you mean by this? In most metrics quality of life has been falling, just because you have a fucking iphone or access to the internet to roast your brain doesn't change the fact that suicide rates are going up, depression and mental illness is going up, crime is going up (in most places), self employment is going way the fuck down, the richer are getting richer and the poorer are getting poorer ect ect. Even the fucking average length of life is going down in some first world counties ffs

>>10748155
Now compare all of those statistics to those of fucking 1919 or 1935.

Right now, hypothetically, we're able to kill bad governments and install new ones.
This won't be possible anymore in a transhumanist society and we will be ruled by uncaring tyrants.

Will we merge with machines in our lifetimes?

>>10744781
>What is your personal opinion on transhumanism?
Sign me up, nigga.

>>10748155
Use your brain and think for a moment wont you?

Think of measles, smallpox, polio, even the flu, think of all the diseases that gripped humanity by the balls.

Think of industry, of the children slaving away for pennies getting their hands and fingers cut from their burned bodies without a care, all,by the most civilized nations of the planet.

Think of the Africans, stolen and kidnapped, taken from their homes by the thousands and now forced to live in a nation that despised them, and thought of them as lesser simply because of their skin. They were seperated, beaten, and murdered without a care.

Think of the great war and the war that immediatly followed. Think of the death and destruction and hate those wars brought upon humanity. The gulags of Russian, the death camps of Germany.

People today have no idea just how lucky they are. How fortunate they are to live in these time post history. They are spoiled and aimless, too ignorant and lazy to make the most out of their freedom, to see just how expansive it really is.

Make no mistake, society has its issues. It is not a utopia, far from it. But we have done so much and advanced farther than anybody ever thought possible. We did this by thinking, not of god and how to serve him but for ourselves. Technology and science has been our sword and our shield and most of all our light to illuminate the dark walls of the infinite cave.

Transhumanism is our destiny. The only logical way forward, to progression and advancement. To become as gods and bring light to this cold dark universe.

>>10748332
>Transhumanism is our destiny.
No it's satanic.

>>10748863
This isn't a contradiction.

Everyone ought to support transhumanism, even the people who don't want to become transhuman. The transhumans will upload their minds into virtual reality paradises, and the traditionalists who remain human will inherit the Earth.

>>10749398
>The transhumans will upload their minds into virtual reality paradises
We don't even know if such a thing is even possible.

>>10749933
All you need is a lot of computing power.

I'm an Anarcho-Monarchist but neutral on whether I prefer primitivism or transhumanism despite pic related. I would like to experience a past society even if a brutal lifestyle compared to today, but not sure if I'd want to go completely cavemode. On the other hand technology has made life much simpler for the average person, but I would not want to live life on easy mode where a robot appendage might complete everything for me and I have no troubles

>>10744781
What can be achieved with nanomachines can be achieved naturally with cells. Psionics could be all biological, no need for metal.

>>10745042
>sun expanding into a red giant.
easy, just throw mercury at it

>>10749964
>I'm an Anarcho-Monarchist
explain to me the meaning of those two words

>>10748863
Satan isn’t real, idiot.

>>10750087
It is a society with no government or state ruling over the people, but with king(s) that provide protection (contractual) to people and make sure no state emerges

>>10750225
every man a king

>>10744781
Metal parts? No.
Genetic Engineering? Yes.

>>10744781
>What is your personal opinion on transhumanism?
it's evil

>>10750225
Sure was a hipster way to say Libertarianism

>>10749964
What i’d do if I could:
>gene edit myself to make myself superhuman (bodybuilder level strength, professional runner level speed)
>cause or help along WW3
>eradicate most of the worlds population and city’s/structures
>let humanity go back to hunter gatherer type civilization
>reign as king (with my gene edited extended lifespan)
>make my own religion
>religion would require a weekly orgy, a day of the month where the wife has to poop on her husband, a day of the moth where men have to run around and put their faces in random women butts)
>if all goes well, I’ll reign forever, if not, my son will take the throne and continue my traditions

>>10750293
No, anarcho means no government, libertarians usually just want small government but still a government nonetheless

>>10750308
So an anarcho-primitivist transhuman-monarchism? sounds based

>>10750308
>poop
I hate this word, it's usually only ever sponken by nigger loving normies or just plain faggots, hey fuck you anon and the edgy shit you smeared on this precious thread

>>10750225
how the fuck can you fit in a king without a goverment?

>>10750308
to add some details
>I would be the overall king, but there would be rulers that have control over their own region.
>>10750315
you can be one of the rulers
>>10750318
you don’t want primitive, big butted women pooping on you? you sound like the fag desu

>>10750290
Spotted the retarded Luddite who wants to ban pacemakers

>>10750318
What’s wrong with loving black people?

>>10750318
UM, why the homophobia?

>>10750336
nothing, unless your brain has become infected by the deadly /pol/ virus

>>10750336
>>10750345
>What’s wrong with loving black people?
You start bringing them around. Love them all you want just do it over there.

>>10750336
you will give birth to mongrels and die of AIDS

>>10744781
It's the next logical step in human evolution

>>10750802
Transhumanism is so far away its not even worth talking about at this point

>>10750785
If it offends you then I’d do it on purpose.

>>10750798
>you will give birth to mongrels

How could a human ever give birth to a canine?

>and die of AIDS

Not all black people have AIDS, silly.

>>10750929
why would you even take the time of the day to say discord tranny shit to me you literal retard

>>10744781
Being a techno-god would be pretty neat.

>>10745038
idk man bladerunner seemed pretty cool

>>10750931
It’s funny to talk to dumb racists, silly!

What’s wrong with making mixed kids?

>become transhuman ubermensch
>take human genes (and a bunch of other lifeforms' genes)
>go get myself a suitable planet
>make a bunch of people for it
>be supreme god-king
Now just hope there isn't a bunch of moralfags trying to ruin everyone's fun.

>>10750956
I love how you can tell this was made in Apple notes.

>>10744781
I'm happy with my body and have no desire to stop being human though I think for a lot of people it'll be incredible the only issue is if people suddenly get increased cognition and memory most other people would be forced into transhumanism just to keep up

>>10744781
garbage

>>10748332
>muh diseases
>muh war
>muh slavery
This is little more than the mind projection fallacy. Have you never heard of the hedonic treadmill? Just because you personally couldn't handle it, due to living in this society all your life, doesn't mean that someone who had been living that sort of lifestyle wouldn't be used to it.

>>10750308
>he thinks that a worldwide monarchy could sustain itself with hunter gatherer technology without worldwide travel and communication networks

>>10750332
How is banning pacemakers a bad thing? Old people and people with defective hearts should die sooner rather than later.

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>>10747624
My personal opinion is that I detest how everyone automatically defaults to non-organic, whereas, organic is easier to do in the foreseeable future and you don't forfeit the worldly pleasures that make existence more interesting.
SENS makes more sense than "transferring" yourself into a metal box, which, by the way, wouldn't be transferring, but copying.
So, unless you want to commit suicide to then give your memory-clone a metal box, go ahead. But if you actually care about transhumanism, organic transhumanism is the way to go.

>>10751072
>SENS makes more sense
Aubery is a conman. STFU

>>10751074
That's funny, considering they were offering a decent amount of money to disprove it, and yet, no one could. The only arguments were:
>But we cantz do it yets?!
Of course we can't do it yet, just like we couldn't build flying machines, or go into space, but... oh look! We did those things, once we had the technology! It's almost like you have to do research and development or something. :^)
Don't bother replying, I'll just choke you out again.

>>10751072
>copying
lol do people with this brain machine fetish even know what they're saying?

your copy wouldn't even be you

>>10751126
Thats what hes saying you retard

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>>10751126
forgot pic btw

>>10751128
then what is the point dumbass

if it is not you then it will develop independently
imagine if your own copy kills the real you, that would be funny

>>10751126
That's what I said, keep up.

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>>10751176
I wasn't supporting "brain copying", moron. I was clearly saying "organic transhumanism is better than inorganic transhumanism".
Learn to fucking read.

Terrified of it. Transhumanism means the end of humanity. You could choose to be anything you're born into nothing and you're thrown into some dystopian hellhole.

Why retain a independent body at that point? Why not just become one cohesive cybernetic mass? Sacrifice all individuality for some kind of technological hive mind.

Being human is intrinsically tied to the body and genetics. Anyone who advocates for some kind of transhumanism is a naive person who has put no true thought into the concept because if they had they would realise that it is not possible for the human brain to even conceptualise existence outwith the human body because our mode of perception is intrinsically tied to it. People conceive of it has being the exact same perceiving existence we have now but our bodies are different. This is ridiculous.

Transhumanism is a dead-end. Elevation of the body to higher forms through genetic engineering is the only option. Even that has implicit complications that will be extremely difficult to figure out.

>>10751247
Because that's science fiction bullshit, you can transfer memories, not consciousness.

>>10751014
Whats your point?

It makes no differance wether or not people in the past were happy with their short miserable lives filled with now easily preventable danger at ever turn.

It was still shit

Anyone who takes this Scifi shit seriously doesn't belong on this board.

go back to >>>/x/ where you belong

>>10744787
thats because theyre too dumb to be anything else right now

>>10751072
>you don't forfeit the worldly pleasures that make existence more interesting.
You can have all the worldly pleasures you want in a virtual reality paradise.

>>10751083
I could kick this guy's ass. Kimbo who?

>>10747987
whats dialation

>>10752059
it is when trans "women" dilate the chronic surgical wound that they pretend is a vagina, so that it does not heal itself shut

and yes, it is as gross as it sounds

>>10748332
>We did this by thinking, not of god and how to serve him but for ourselves. Technology and science has been our sword and our shield and most of all our light to illuminate the dark walls of the infinite cave.
Just who do you think the natural philosophers (what you now call men of science) were working to understand all those ages past?

>>10752521
It doesn't matter what their motivations were.

>>10750926
>If it offends you then I’d do it on purpose.
Then I'd beat your ass

>>10752594
It does when you say they weren't striving to know "god" and we're rather motivated by selfish aims.

>>10744781
A computer in my body? While knowing about the perpetual rat race to fix bugs?
No thanks.

How the fuck would Transhumanism even be achievable now that Moore's Law is dead?

>>10752831
The process of genetic evolution is transhumanistic. Man is a bridge not an end.

>>10753234
this, i love how people think theres any distinction at all between natural and artificial.

Everything is just molecules following deterministic rules.

Once the big bang exploded there was ONE POSSIBLE PATH and it led to this.

It's like watching a ball thats rolling in one direction, if its in one position at one time and another another time it doesnt mean second time is any diferent

>>10745000
Sounds like a pretty good sci fi story.
I could imagine that the the AI could act as a God, keeping most of the population under control, only with a few Kings or high priests knowing the truth, that the gods are super AIs from the human past. I think I may steal your idea and write a short story. Thanks anon.

>>10744781
Jesus for fat nerds that don't believe in god but are still afraid of death

>>10752824
better than death

>>10752735
No one’s afraid of the fat racist neckbeard lol

>>10750308
Go to bed, Emperor of Mankind!

>>10755826
I'm not fat or a neckbeard (projecting much?) and you wouldn't know why I was bullying you and beating your ass regularly. You'd just think I was a meanie who really didn't like you for some reason so you'd learn not to bring yourself or your friends around me.

>>10754401
The techies' belief-system can best be explained as a religious phenomenon, to which we may give the name "Technianity." It's true that Technianity at this point is not strictly speaking a religion, because it has not yet developed anything resembling a uniform body of doctrine; the techies' beliefs are widely varied. In this respect Technianity probably resembles the inceptive stages of many other religions. Nevertheless, Technianity already has the earmarks of an apocalyptic and millenarian cult: In most versions it anticipates a cataclysmic event, the Singularity, which is the point at which technological progress is supposed to become so rapid as to resemble an explosion. This is analogous to the Judgment Day of Christian mythology or the Revolution of Marxist mythology. The cataclysmic event is supposed to be followed by the arrival of techno-utopia (analogous to the Kingdom of God or the Worker's Paradise). Technianity has a favored minority-the Elect-consisting of the techies (equivalent to the True Believers of Christianity or the Proletariat of the Marxists). The Elect of Technianity, like that of Christianity, is destined to Eternal Life; though this element is missing from Marxism.

Historically, millenarian cults have tended to emerge at "times of great social change or crisis." This suggests that the techies' beliefs reflect not a genuine confidence in technology, but rather their own anxieties about the future of the technological society-anxieties from which they try to escape by creating a quasi-religious myth.

>>10744781
Honestly, really depends on whether it can unclamp my umbilical cord.

Used to be super into it.

Then became a biomedical engineer and realized nothing remotely close to the singularity will happen within the next couple hundred years, if at all.
Seriously, I'm not saying it's a meme, but "science journalism" inflates the shit out of people's perception of technology in this particular field.

>>10756217
How is progress in CRISPR/gene editing/embryo selection coming along?

>>10756225

not sure about the third, but the first two will probably be a reliable thing within our lifetime (assuming average age here is between 20 and 30)
not my expertise though

>>10756239
What technologies are the most inflated and least likely to happen in our lifetimes?

>>10744781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

>>10756239
Imagine all the normies selecting mainstream type babies with green and blue hair and purple irises. Humanity was a mistake.

>>10744781
I think it's stupid and will fool many suckers in the future into believing they're the ones in control

>>10744785
She could just cure her diabetes by fasting and gradually reducing the insulin but she doesn't want to be healthy it seems

>>10744978
You will never leave this reign as the earth is flat

>>10745000
You won't be able to do that for obvious reasons

>>10745015
Found one of the not too bright ones

>>10745020
Look, there's one with a higher than 2 digit IQ, congratulations

>>10747624
What does that even mean? You mean ancapism?

>>10748863
Based and redpilled

>>10750110
Bluepilled and npc Im afraid, go idolize Neil Tyson and whatever in your star trek cult

>>10757226
Don't worry, they will probably die earlier from a new disease thanks to the wonders of modern medicine

>>10744781
anything goes as long as we have the OPTION to keep whatever parts of our mind the way they were before they were changed

Well. I don't really care one way or another. One, due to me not really thinking that I'll really see any examples of it in my lifetime. Two, even if I did I'd have little say in doing anything for or against it.

>>10744785
Well, I mean that isn't transhumanism is it? How does any of that transcend her above a normal person? Just because she has implants doesn't mean she's beyond the limits of a normal individual. If you have shitty eyes and need to wear glasses, that isn't transhumanism. That's using something to get on a baseline human level of efficiency.

>>10757226
The one thing that I suppose worries me about genetic tomfoolery is intelligence amplification. Sure, you could make your kid stronger or live longer. Whatever. But if could somehow genetically tamper with them and somehow give them a notable increase over most other people that I feel wouldn't fly right with a decent amount of people. Also I'm not talking about transhumanism here, just making the kid smart. Not super intelligent.

>>10754401
Do you really think progress has stopped ?

>>10744781
Neuralink Founder, CEO, CTO, Board Chair Elon Musk says it's imperative that we develop technologies that can interface directly with the human brain if we are to keep up in the age of AI.

>>10757480
>Elon Musk

Why should we follow this guy's lead?

>>10744978
Are you telling me Neil Armostrong was a cyborg?

>>10744781
It's fucked up escapism for people who are too weak to seek the perfection of their natural bodies.
t.someone who fucked himself up because he thought he could just fix himself with technology later.

>>10757858
Yes. No. Maybe.

>>10756225
crispr allows to change dna of a living person right?

>>10751072
Bro, we've gone over this. As long as the transfer is gradual and with persistance of mind, you would never notice the change. Similarly to how the body rids itself of old cells and cultures new ones. You are not the same you from 5 minutes ago. A whole swathe of chemical changes has happened in that short time and I'm sure it had little impact on your experience.

>>10757868
>t.someone who fucked himself up because he thought he could just fix himself with technology later.
Tell us more

>>10752059
some relativistic phenomenon

>>10744781
I hope for it everyday

>>10750311
no, anarchy means no ruler, not goverment.

While I think that brain uploading is essentially a form of suicide, I also hopes it takes off and becomes popular. Anyone who would upload their brain into a computer is the kind of person I'd rather have kill themselves anyways, and since they'll be in a virtual reality instead of the real world I won't have to fucking deal with them anymore.

/pol/ hates transhumanism so it must be good

>>10749964
Pic is decent, but:
>is aware of the alienating nature of technology

I think you mean to say, "Has a vague (but meaningful) sense of the alienating..."

Let me tell you what will happen.

Sometime in the near future, intelligence will explode. There is no intrinsic reason for intelligence to cap at Einstein and Newton, merely crappy human biology and quirks of evolutionary history. AI or human-AI pair, both will be motivated to expand further, faster.

Once intelligence expands beyond the brain, it will take everything by storm, including the atoms that used to be your body. Threats get vaporised, grey goo gets dispersed and all remaining humans die violently in the space of days.

There will be no mass uploads, there will be no anarcho- or libertarian- anything. There will be one supreme being, expanding rapidly into the universe. There is no stopping this, governments and corporations are far too weak and in fierce competition. They are more likely to accelerate the apocalypse than to slow it.

>>10747971
Based and tedpilled

>>10759930
“While I think that brain uploading is essentially a form of suicide”

Uh......why? That’s a very stupid thing to think.

>>10750341
Did you forget what site you were on?

To truly understand my thoughts on the matter we need to go back to the very beginning.

I was born with an atypical sexual proclivity. It has been a source of immeasurable doubt on my part, and I would have preferred to remain that way. It's not an easy thing to deal with, being different, and to this day I can't honestly say that I believe I will ever be able to derive happiness in my lifetime.

Were mine an ordinary fetish, none of these problems would exist. I'd be able to find a mate, be happy that they at least have a healthy body, resign my fantasy to the realm of impossibility, and just in general get on with me life. But this isn't that. I have what is referred to as a primary paraphilia, meaning that the normal cultural and biosocial rules do not apply, and I can't generate arousal without the theme of my desire present. It has to be there, or I just can't get it up. I'm not wired that way.

While it is by no means a secret, you've probably yet to fathom just how relevant sexuality is to the entire culture humanity has built up thus far. Lives are lived, politcians are elected, businesses are advanced, based primarily (when not solely) on the prospect of finding a mate. Someone to spend your life with. While evidence is slowly mounting to the contrary, people cannot live a life in isolation. I never made much of a point of it myself because normal sexuality was never going to be an option for me, but all the memes about independence, accomplishing something greater with your life, etc., on a basic level, they're all wrong. I know because I fell for them. I brought into all the notions that would have led to living a happy life without relying on a partner, and now it has become apparent that that's not actually how the world works. Even if you're a genius, you'll live and die with everyone around you always talking about how you don't have a wife. And if you ever acquire one it'll probably just end in divorce while you're pursuing the next great discovery.

>>10744791
>It will become like clothes.
Tech wear is a thing. And it is taken to the extreme in Eudeamon.

>>10761188
Since my sexuality prevents me from living a normal human life, I have to find an alternative. But I can't even rely on sex robots becoming an actionable reality in my lifetime, because those are always created with all the normal sexual connotations that turn me off. As a product, it isn't meant for me. This is a pattern that has repeated throughout my life, and will likely continue on well into the advent of any form of technological singularity that we tend toward as a civilization.

There is a sunny side to all of this, of course.

Maybe due to my aloofness to sexuality, maybe because of all the memes about high technology and the singularity, maybe my own thoughts about what is engineerable, what is possible on a basic level, I have always liked technology. I have wanted to create things from the very beginning, even before I became aware of my abnormal sexual preferences. Something about my personality puts me in a position to advance the singularity to degrees that I can only describe as superhuman. Normally, that's a bad thing.

As luck would have it, it's also a bad thing in this context. Nobody is ready to believe that science can be advanced until someone actually advances it, and the only thing I can do on my own is just create artificial intelligence and bootstrap everything manually. But there are problems with that approach that I don't feel I need to get into. Regardless of the exact timeline of events, I believe that technology can eventually reach a state of posing a superhuman threat to life on this planet. And we might not get a second chance once that trajectory starts.

I've spent the better part of a decade constantly searching for ways to achieve a balanced singularity that includes all people equally. If even a single person is left behind, then it's not a true singularity, and therefore it means nothing to me. Unless everyone can be included, I can't expect my needs to be met, and thus have no reason to contribute to it. ...Ever.

>>10760417
If they scan my brain, create a digital copy of my mind, and then kill me, would that not be considered suicide for all intents and purposes?

Here are some fun plans funded by our friends in DARPA.

>>10761217
I realize this puts me at odds with humanity, but that's fine. A humanity at odds with itself will never create a stable tech tree and will always be prone to terrorism. Everything that limits me now will continue on into the future if I don't correct it, and the next genius will have a chance to infer world states, technologically enforced fates, and all the other hellscapes that become possible with highly abusive technology empowering people who want to exclude others. All I can certainly do now is set the tone such that the person who eventually does commit to doing it all to have as many options available to them as possible. If they end up like me, stuck choosing between AI and death, then the outcome will be no different from what I myself chose before them.

If there were others like me out there, searching for the realism behind the futurism fantasy, then it would be trivial for me to find them, explain all this to them, and let the world start to shift itself in a manner that I would consider productive enough to bother participating in. Indeed, each part of this process has already occurred, and here sits this topic on /sci/, exactly on the bleeding edge of all cultural development available to modern humans.

Were I so inclined, it wouldn't be hard to respond to every fantasy in this thread with the actual future we should expect to arrive if we take no further action. After some predictive boundary it would have the potential to trigger a runaway process whereby advanced realism and a sense of exactly how real the coming future is starts to propagate from this board onto all the other sections of the internet that need to hear this. But that's not what I want to use this thread for. The arguments are probably as shit here as they have been literally everywhere else I've been, because people simply do not want to acknowledge the actual possibility that we all work constantly to expand and obviously human intelligence hasn't suddenly increased.

>>10761217
My desires have evolved since I was a child, but they haven't changed at all. I still fantasize about nanosuits, long term replacement of all my tissue with equivalent-function nanostructures, and just in general become more comfort about the idea the more I learn about my current biology. I will always seek after highly advanced nanotechnology.

The main problem isn't so much trying to get anyone to go for my ideas, or securing funding or demonstrating my intelligence or qualifications or whatever else, but the applied problem of nanites being a form of pollution if mishandled. To be widely applicable, advanced safety precautions need to be in place, specifically designed to deal with nanites, and they need to be observed with a degree of precision that hardly exists yet. All the different parts exist, but they are dilute within the environment, and industry is still learning to grasp the relevance of beyond-medical safety protocols.

All in all I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to set the stage for whoever does end up uniting technology into a coherent, stable, and balanced singularity, but whether or not the environment is conducive enough to my efforts for that person to be me remains to be seen. I'm fine with death not just because it was always possible that I'd never be able to be happy with life, but because if I were vulnerable to that manner of leverage then it'd open a path to numerous hellscapes. Only when capitalists realize how irrelevant they are to plans like mine will they be able to competently clamor against death in a non-parasitic manner. I'll still need to devise a solution to government oversight and long term social unity, but at least ambivalent market forces won't be the driving force behind any actual innovation.

Posting this, of course, advanced my tactics. It stops looking like mad genius when you realize that being willing to die IS the path to minimal loss of life. Anything else, despite the prospect of life-saving

>>10761461
The prospect of life-saving technology comes with the risk of ever worse threats when that same level of engineering/technology is abused. While I am willing to die to rather than advance death, it becomes clearer that the ones who are willing to take that risk are more resemblant of the stereotypical mad genius of adolescent television programs.

Maybe ideas like these will cause long term damage to transhumanism, but it doesn't matter. The same problem applies with scalar invariance: I want things that the market can never account for. A singularity is truly all-inclusive or it isn't. So I tend toward being ambivalent towards singularity-centric concepts, and that includes my own status with regard to eventual augmentation technology. The more I try to force the issue, the less impact it is liable to have. This thread is more or less the optimal injection point for my story, and I don't find it likely for it to be otherwise productive. Similarly, I will probably never repeat this logic anywhere for any reason.

Given these logistics you might consider me a pessimist, but in reality I consider technology to be a default good. Weapons require intention and particular models of design that are not common outside of intentional preparation for war, which is already inimical to all life (or else inimical to the singularity, and for the same reasons). If anything I'm just a wee bit disappointed with human ideals, but disappointed enough to die if that's what it'll take for some later generation to figure out how omni-inclusive ideals actually work.

I suppose it would be summary enough to state that I'm skeptical of the value of transhumanism due primarily to deficiencies in human ideals. If you ask me where to start, it will always be with full inclusion rights.

>>10761188
>>10761217
>>10761254
>>10761461
>>10761534

>>10761217
Nigga just accept you are gay

>>10761534
You can possibly condition yourself out of paraphilia: dopamine agonists (D2?) This is not real medical advice but look it up

>>10744781
Pro

>>10745000
Fuck off antispiral

I'm for it.

https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030169190

>>10761461
Your body is literally made of highly advanced nanotechnology already. That's what biological systems ARE.

>>10762178
I've tried. All it does is mix in new themes that only make the problem worse, and end up only working when I add back in the primary fantasy. Literally, I tried to adopt a more normal sexuality.
>>10762366
Exactly. The more you understand, the easier it is to replace components with functional equivalents.

>>10762495
Why replace anything with anything? Your cells are already programmable, self assembling, self maintaining, self coordinating, self replicating, COUPLED OSCILLATORS THAT RESPOND DYNAMICALLY TO STRESS AND DEMAND. YOUR BONES ARE LITERALLY BILLIONS OF TINY PIEZOELECTRIC TRANSDUCERS. YOU CANNOT BEAT THAT EFFICIENCY. YOU FUCKING CAN'T.

Now onto an actual response. Minus the strong sexual stuff I've lived what you're describing. How old are you? What do you think you're running from?

>>10762504
You can replace your faulty heart with a lab-grown heart made entirely of natural cells. That's transhumanism too.

>>10762504
>Why replace anything with anything?
Change in function requires change in form. Efficiency is irrelevant if I can't even turn my arm into a razor sharp blade at will.

>>10762504
fuck you i want superconducting central nervous system

>>10762559
>He hasn't realized he's just a concept. Energy conforming to a certain self limiting shape.
Ha...ha..

>>10744781
Heresy

>>10762564
Your central nervous system already works near the speed of light. It is electromagnetic, not electrochemical. Nerve "firing" is a solitonic process that exists to bypass circuit theory, which is why anaesthetics all alter the melting point of PUFAs.

It is already good.

>>10761598
It was a bad line and a prank call. Someone spouted insane babble I couldn't make sense of it.

>>10744781
a pseudo intellectual nihilist's wet dream

Transhumanism/ AI are science ficition and always will be

>>10744781
Maybe viable in 500 years. Right now it is an absolute meme

>>10764486
Any comments on >>10761238 ?

>2019
>normies are discovering transhumanism
yawn

>>10744781
My opinion is that we a about a thousand years off from it.

>>10744781
Only good if it is National Transhumanism.

>>10751021

meh, your tune will change when yours starts to go

>>10762570
It's true. Transhumanism is only meaningful if you already fully appreciate human ability. Otherwise you'll only ever make a trade from bad to worse.

>>10744781
Like all things which may be granted by technology it has great potential for both good and evil.