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10708201 No.10708201[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

>non-ionizing radiation is completely safe only ionizing radiation can hurt you

it's asbestos all over again

>> No.10708214

>>10708201
I dont think anyone but brain dead normies is denying that.
The key factor is that non ionizing can be more easily contained therefore considered more or less safe.

>> No.10708225

>>10708201
at least post the citation in a format that others can look up
what I'm getting from that image is
>hurr durr rats
>hurr durr so low res that you can't look it up
up your game

>> No.10708231

>>10708225
>hurr durr rats
imagine knowing nothing about science and posting on this board

>> No.10708237

>>10708231
post the doi or get the fuck out

>> No.10708240

>>10708237

You can quite clearly see the name of the study in the image

>> No.10708241

I like how normalfags always get mad when you post rat studies, even though epidemiological studies are nothing but data manipulation and tenuous links based on non-existent mechanisms.

>> No.10708243

>>10708240
I wear coke bottle bottom glasses, post it or fuck off.

>> No.10708244

>>10708237
dilate tranny

>> No.10708246

>>10708201
>>10708225
last year in a 5g thread some hysteric linked me to a >200 page "study" allegedly proving how big wavelength radiation can cause all sorts of damage. it turned out that they irradiated their rats for many hours with an intensity higher than that of daylight. they basically put the rats into microwaves and then wondered how come the rats started eating less and got stressed out.

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10708254

>species evolves on earth
>evolution makes us resilient to 8 hours of sun and constant background radiation
>in the 1940s we learn to use radiowaves
>microwaves soon after
>today we are constantly exposed to man made radiation
It's not ionizing but long term there has to cause some form of problem for our health.

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10708257

here's a really interesting study of before and after removing mobile masts atop a tower block in Japan

massive reduction in symptoms after the transmitters were removed:

http://it-takes-time.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Shinjyo-2014-Significant-Decrease-of-Clinical-Symptoms-after-Mobile-Phone-Base-Station-Removal-.pdf

>> No.10708259

>>10708257
inb4 "kerosene cars"

>> No.10708340

>>10708254
This one is going in my naturalistic fallacy compilation.

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10708343

>>10708340
>nature is a fallacy

>> No.10709886

>>10708243
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/about_ntp/trpanel/2018/march/tr595peerdraft.pdf seems to be an early copy of it.

>> No.10709934

>>10708257
that paper was a load of b.s.

>"When interviewing the inhabitants
about symptoms, the time of the first appearance of symptoms was taken into
account. Health problems appearing between 1998 and March 2008, shortly before
the installation of the 2 GHz antennas, were recorded as symptoms associated with
radiation emitted from the 800 MHz antennas. Health problems appearing after the
activation of the 2 GHz antennas, i.e. after March 2008 until the first examination in
January 2009, were recorded as symptoms possibly affected by radiation emitted
from the 2 GHz antennas."

They literally went up to people in this tower looking for health problems - then they isolated and only reported those symptoms that occurred during that time period.

>> No.10709960

>>10708343
Braindead /pol/tard.

>> No.10709967

>>10709886
Oh look it’s the fucking rodents that were bathed in levels of radiation not produced by cellphones.

>> No.10709982

>>10709967
>levels of radiation not produced by cellphones.
The legal limit in the US is 1.6 W/kg.

>> No.10710073

>>10709982
>Implying your phone uses 120 watts

>> No.10710088

>>10709967
The point of that is to simulate long-term exposure to radiation

>> No.10710094

>>10710088
That’s retarded. You can’t simulate exposing a block of wood to 21 celcius for a period of years by exposing it to 500 celcius for a few hours.

>> No.10710101

>>10710094
The effects of radiation are cumulative, unlike the effects of heat.

>> No.10710103

>>10710101
>Heat isn’t radiation

Anon....

>> No.10710112

>>10710103
Good point, but my point is still valid. The effects of radiation are cumulative, so of course the researchers exposed the rats to the same amount of radiation that they might get over a long period of time. That's the only way they can simulate it. That in itself doesn't categorically invalidate the study, unless they literally cooked the rats at a high temperature.

>> No.10710117

>>10710112
By this logic they should have popped them in an actual microwave oven

>> No.10710118

>>10710117
No, by that logic they wouldn't have popped them in a microwave oven, be cause that would have literally cooked the rats at a high temperature. Did you read what I wrote?

>> No.10710147

>>10710073
To be more specific, it's 1.6 W/kg at the peak gram of tissue, but we also rely entirely on industry to report accurate measurements for it.

>>10710112
>That's the only way they can simulate it.
The bigger deal is that a uniform field is necessary to eliminate a lot of variables.

>> No.10710267

>>10710118
Yep and it was retarded. Surely a microwave would simulate years if not decades of exposure and if they wanted to pretend that their results were relevant they could modify it to put out the proper frequency and add a little razzamattazz with a random modulation so all the tinfoil hats can look at those cooked mice and say "see! 5g is bad because of the heavy modulation!"

>> No.10710276

>>10710267
>Surely a microwave would simulate years if not decades of exposure
Yes, but a microwave would raise the temperature of the rats to 100C. You can simulate years of exposure without raising the temperature of the test animals. How much you want to bet that's what they did in the study?

>> No.10710282

>>10710276
I'll bet that's what they claimed they were doing in the study, but where's the study that says acute high-dose exposure is equivalent to prolonged low-dose exposure?

>> No.10710284

>>10710282
Surely it isn't equivalent in the same way that organ on a chip isn't equivalent to human organs, but it's an approximation to the real thing.

>> No.10710296

>>10710284
Absolutely not. Higher power levels may have some effect over a short period of time that you simply do not see at lower power levels over any period of time

>> No.10710301

>>10710296
>he accepts science that isn't done on human subjects
If no one dies, it's not real science.

>> No.10710304

>>10710296
>Absolutely not.
No, it's a valid approximation with some amount of bias.

>Higher power levels may have some effect over a short period of time that you simply do not see at lower power levels over any period of time
Okay, show them. And if that's the case, then we can do experiments using power levels below [math]those[/math] power levels.

>> No.10710313

>>10710304
>Okay, show them. And if that's the case, then we can do experiments using power levels below thosethose power levels
Alright, let's use a really simple analogy that you can wrap your head around. How about anon's heat example? I can point a low power radiative heater at a pile of wood for years and never get a fire, but if I use a heat gun lo and behold, a fire!

>> No.10710324

>>10710313
The experiment didn't use heat levels that high, so that doesn't detract from the study.

>> No.10710351

>>10710324
[Not the anon you're talking to]
Didn't it? I have heard otherwise. Did you read the paper in detail? What wattage were they spitting out with their emitters? How much was absorbed?

>> No.10710354

>>10710351
If they actually heated up the rats to high temperatures then it was a bad study. I just assume they weren't that dumb.

>> No.10710361

>>10710324
It's hyperbolic to demonstrate the point. Every proposed mechanism I've seen for this type of radiation harming cells relies on shit like causing proteins to be malformed or interrupting transport through the cell which would almost definitely require some minimum threshold to be exceeded in order to occur.

>> No.10710367

>>10710361
Okay, so how do you know 5G doesn't cross that threshold?

>> No.10710371

>>10710367
Because "5g" isn't a power level, it's a frequency band

>> No.10710377

>>10710371
Therefore 5G technology doesn't cross the threshold power level. .. No, that's not a valid argument.

>> No.10710378

>>10710351
They used fields set up to approximate exposures of 1.5 W/kg, 3 W/kg, 6 W/kg, and 9 W/kg, with a control not receiving any additional exposure. They include body temperature measurements in the paper, which led to the inclusion of 1.5 W/kg instead of 9 W/kg in the two-year study. The FCC standard of 1.6 W/kg for cell phones is also based on it not significantly heating you.

>> No.10710379

>>10710377
It is mrbschizo

>> No.10710381

>>10710377
>Imagine being this retarded
I was pointing out that you can operate a frequency band at any power. Remember how they used power levels that were several times normal exposure?

>> No.10710387

>>10710379
No, that doesn't prove that 5G doesn't operate above the threshold power level.

>> No.10710391

>>10710361
Even if it were causing harm in that sense, this damage would be repaired over time by the body at a steady rate that would limit the severity of symptoms, whereas just blasting it periodically would possibly exceed this rate of repair and cause significant symptoms. The difference between getting scratched by housecats every day for your entire life and a crocodile trying to eat your leg once. The cats may very well have ruptured more of your cells or applied more Newton’s of force but that doesn’t really mean anything.

>> No.10710406

>>10710391
Absolutely, which is another reason I think all of this is bullshit, but just to play devil's advocate, that damage could increase your chances of developing cancer which I think is the Crux of the "5g bad" argument. Still a dumb fucking argument though. Tap water is probably more carcinogenic then low power 5g signals

>> No.10710409

>>10710354
You don't have to heat up the rats to high temperatures to completely fuck up the experiment though. Pumping a noticeable amount of heat into them already has huge biological consequences even if it doesn't change the resulting body temperature. What if the body notices the added heat and regulates a bunch of metabolic processes in response? That will have enormous effects even if you never see a tenth of a degree of temperature difference on your thermometer.

>>10710378
>They used fields set up to approximate exposures of 1.5 W/kg, 3 W/kg, 6 W/kg, and 9 W/kg,
That is fucking enormous. 1.5 W/kg is roughly how much heat your body produces when idle. If you pump an amount of heat into me equal to six times what my body produces by digesting hamburgers, no shit that is going to have health consequences, in a way that has nothing whatsoever to do with what cellphones do.

>> No.10710415

>>10710147
>we also rely entirely on industry to report accurate measurements for it.
You can calculate the maximum wattage output it from talk times and battery watts/volts.

>> No.10710417

>>10710409
Okay, how do you know the body doesn't respond that way to 5G microwave radiation? The analogy doesn't end at the experimental levels of radiation. It extends to 5G radiation.

>> No.10710424

>>10710409
Rats must have a really good cooling system then, since 3 W/kg didn't significantly increase their body temperatures.

>> No.10710454

>>10710417
The body DOES respond that way to 5G microwave radiation, if you are bathed in 3W/kg of it for extended periods. But you aren't, that's a retardedly huge amount of power.

>> No.10710455

>>10710454
>if you are bathed in 3W/kg of it
C'mon, if the study is too hard to read, at least read the replies here. 1.5 W/kg had effects, and nothing 5G was tested, while GSM and CDMA were tested seperately.

>> No.10710457

>>10710454
So the body doesn't respond adversely to 5G radiation, but it does respond adversely to experimental amounts of radiation. What's the proof?

>> No.10710464

>>10710424
They do, or they would melt when in sunlight for any length of time. That doesn't mean it's without health consequences though -- raising the average outside temperate by a few degrees year-round will certainly affect all sorts of health effects in subtle but significant ways.

>> No.10710468

>>10710464
Ah, wonderful, then the "they're just heating the rats" argument is over. Glad you've finally agreed.

>> No.10710469

>>10710464
So by that logic it would be dangerous to live in warm states.

>> No.10710470

>>10710469
It is dangerous to live in warm states.

>> No.10710476

>>10710470
Not as dangerous as warming yourself up with 5G microwaves.

>> No.10710483

>>10710476
>The thermal energy of commercial 5G is comparable to the Florida sun

>> No.10710484

>>10710476
>Not as dangerous as warming yourself up with 5G microwaves.
[citation needed]

>> No.10710486

>>10710484
Why don't you go ahead and warm yourself up with a microwave. You just have to cut a hole in the window. Just kidding, you'd get cancer.

>> No.10710487

>>10710486
.....The threat of microwave ovens is burns, not cancer.

>> No.10710488

>>10710487
Yes, it's perfectly safe to warm yourself up with a microwave oven.. No..

>> No.10710493

>>10710488
The strength of 5G signals is not comparable to microwave ovens.

>> No.10710494

>>10710493
Not relevant to the previous argument. That doesn't mean 5G is safe.

>> No.10710498

>>10710494
>Not relevant to the previous argument.

It’s not supposed to be, moron.

>That doesn't mean 5G is safe.

Safer than being in the sunlight, so pretty safe.

>> No.10710500

>>10710498
>Safer than being in the sunlight, so pretty safe.
Really? Which study did you read this in?

>> No.10710511

>>10708246
Yeah? How did you gain access to the study?

>> No.10710514

>>10710500
>I don’t know how microwaves work

>> No.10710517

>>10710514
Microwaves or microwave ovens? I know things about both of them.

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>>10709934
it;s all a conspiracy against the poor innocent telecoms-military-industrial complex

>> No.10711060

To properly study the effects of phones and cell towers with all variables taken into account would take hundreds, if not thousands of years

The evidence shown by contemporary studies is that mobile phone signals are not consistent levels of power and modulation as used in studies (which still show carcinogenic effects), but massively random and unpredictable.

Biology can adapt to '10 minutes on, 10 minutes off' as seen in the NTP study, but in actual use cases the radiation is extremely sporadic, therefore extremely deadly.

It's worse than asbestos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adGtb0kxsDM

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>>10711060

>> No.10711783

Keep in mind that most non-ionizing radiation won't be strong enough to do anything to you in an everyday situation, unless you live under a telephone tower.
Basically sunlight tier.

>> No.10711823

>>10711783
Adding a second sun would do something to you. Just one sun is enough to give you skin cancer. Adding another sun's worth of microwave radiation would double the amount of radiation in your environment. The damage probably increases exponentially with the amount of radiation.

>> No.10711829

>>10711823
And do you sit at your computer outside?

>> No.10711846 [DELETED] 

>>10711829
No, but if I did, what's your point?

>> No.10711855

>>10711060
Yes, but we have money to make. You can do safety tests once it's everywhere and we're already moving on to the next thing.

>> No.10711860

>>10711846
Well, I'm under the impression that the human body is probably pretty well-optimized to living in a bit more extreme environments, considering we are quite good at being generalists.
I'd say that radiation from our electronics isn't that big of an issue as long as it isn't an almost constant influx. That is with the assumption that the human body isn't fucking trash and dead.

>> No.10711864

>>10711829
No, but I go outside where there's sunlight and cell radiation.

>> No.10711876

>>10711864
Then don't live under a fucking telephone tower, that's dangerous.
Alternatively use the back door or something.

>> No.10711877

>>10711860
>I'd say that radiation from our electronics isn't that big of an issue as long as it isn't an almost constant influx

Cell phone tower radiation is a constant influx.

>> No.10711887

>>10711876
How far do you have to be from a telephone tower until you're safe? You don't know, nobody has proven that you're safe at any distance.

>> No.10711896

>>10711877
Refer to
>>10711876

>>10711887
Until you aren't getting assblasted by radiation.

>> No.10711906

>>10711876
>don't live under a fucking telephone tower
>implying everyone can just move whenever

>> No.10711910

>>10711896
Okay, how do you know you aren't getting assblasted by radiation right now? Inb4 because you're an arbitrary threshold distance away from a cell phone tower.

>> No.10711911

>>10708254
>It's not ionizing but long term there has to cause some form of problem for our health.

It just HAS to guys! How could it not, right? All the scary words are in there.

>> No.10711916

>>10711906
Not my problem where people live.
>>10711910
Good question, I couldn't really care less myself.

>> No.10711918

>>10711911
It has to be safe, how could I live without mobile internet?

>> No.10711925

>>10711916
Right, you don't care if microwave radiation causes cancer.

>> No.10711927

>>10710088
>The point of that is to simulate long-term exposure to radiation

If that was really the point, the researchers were fucking retarded. Or dishonest.

If I want to study the effect of bouncing a ping-pong ball off your head once every day, I am not going to learn anything useful by bouncing one bowling ball off your head to simulate repeated impacts from some sort of ball.

>> No.10711936

>>10711925
Oh, I don't care if it has an effect on me.
I do give a shit about the effects on a major population, though.

>> No.10711941

>>10711927
In the study the rats' body temperatures weren't significantly raised, so the bowling ball analogy isn't accurate.

>> No.10711947

>>10711936
You don't know whether microwave radiation affects the major population.

>> No.10711950

>>10710112
Oh really?

>> No.10711952

>>10711936
>Not my problem where people live.
>I do give a shit about the effects on a major population, though.

>> No.10711958

>>10710118
>Did you read what I wrote?

You wrote that the effects of radiation are cumulative. Then you argue that at least one such effect is not cumulative after all.

>> No.10711966

>>10711952
And the people live part was that if people are getting affected by the radiation they might aswell deal with it themselves or have a work-around, it's still a problem but it's not like people have to move to fix shit.
>>10711947
And what makes you think so?

>> No.10711972

>>10711941
The analogy is accurate. Extraneous deflection about an effect not being studied (microwave heating) notwithstanding.

>> No.10711973

>>10711966
You don't have proof that it doesn't affect people.

>> No.10711976

Just wrap your living space with foil on all the walls and you'll be fine.

>> No.10711980

>>10711973
>Proof of a negative

>> No.10711996

>>10711972
How would you suggest that they simulate long term cumulative effects? By doing a long term study? No reason to disregard a study just because it wasn't tested in real life conditions. By that logic you would say that a lot of other research in other fields is invalid.

>> No.10712003

>>10711980
You can't honestly believe that negatives are inherently true unless the positive is true, right? Wait, that's a negative, so it must be true.

>> No.10712005

>>10711958
We have to assume whatever harm that is being inflicted isn’t being repaired in due time for the effects to accumulate in the first place.

>> No.10712009

>>10711973
Right, because I never talked about proof in my replies, but ask yourself this, are there ever gonna be any studies on the lack of effects caused by non-ionizing radiation?
In fact, I never even said it doesn't affect people, I said that they should be able to deal with it themselves, I do believe that non-ionizing radiation will have effects over long-time consistent exposure.

>> No.10712017

>>10712009
(self-reply)
Proof of it affecting people is quite common, though, as seen in this thread (although most studies are hit or miss)
I'll be leaving now, fadelah my dear friends.

>> No.10712020

>>10711996
The only research that's actually acceptable is pure mathematics. Anything else is too unrealistic.

>> No.10712023

>>10712009
There have already been studies on the lack of effects caused by radiation. The rat study is one of them. For example, we know that non ionizing radiation isn't more dangerous than it was measured to be. Measuring the effects is the same thing as measuring the non-effects.

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>>10708201
NTP's results are understated. They used multiple antennas in a reverberation chamber to maximize the probability of destructive interference and depolarization of the field, thus reducing effects. NTP was designed to fail. The fact that it still showed clear results is just further damning, well beyond what people are aware of.

Here's more information. Put together a full description, history, how it works, so on. For some reason whenever I post in these threads, they seem to be suddenly deleted.

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

Put simply, it's a matter of transduction and amplification. The same way all of the other senses work. How can a signal well below the threshold of ambient thermal noise produce biological effects (what was dubbed the "kT paradox")? Because structures in biological systems are designed to resist random noise and selectively amplify polarized or periodic signals. How can non-ionizing radiation damage DNA? As a downstream effect of excessive calcium signalling ultimately leading to oxidative and nitrosative stress. In the case of 2.45GHz, and other frequencies near the maximum dielectric loss of water, they can damage DNA kinetically, as continuous wave exposure has been noted to make the DNA molecule "thrash about violently", with indications that it actually breaks it off its histones. Part of the frequency band used by wi-fi is used to cook food for a reason.

There are a few other mechanisms, but the major one is altered calcium flux, probably as a result of action on the charge groups composing its voltage sensing subunit, thus activating it. The most important thing is it's not speculation. There's now well over one hundred years of hard data, all the way back to d'Arsonval, Tesla, and others. We know what this stuff does.

>> No.10712031

>>10712020
Yeah, no need to research physics either, that isn't pure mathematics.

>> No.10712041

>>10712023
>lack of effects caused by radiation
>the rat study
Might want to go read it again.

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>>10712026
I'm just going to copy the content of the text document in the mediafire link.

[m] = mediafire

Statements:
IARC 2011 - IARC classifies radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans
https://www.iarc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf
https://microwavenews.com/short-takes-archive/iarc-urged-reassess-rf

California Medical Association, resolution 107-14
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1020824247004/10%20-%20California%20Medical%20Association%20Resolution-highlighted.pdf

American Academy of Pediatrics
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7520941318.pdf

American Association for Justice
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7520941319.pdf

Martha Herbert, PhD. Pediatric neurology, Mass. General.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7520940748.pdf

-Martin Pall, PhD
Letter to California legislators
https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/Pall-Letter-to-CalLegis-FINAL-8-7-17.pdf
Letter to California Governor
http://electromagnetichealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Pall-Martin-Ltr-to-Gov-Brown-092317.pdf

Russian National Committee of Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection - 2008 report, WHO
https://www.who.int/peh-emf/project/mapnatreps/RUSSIA%20report%202008.pdf
https://www.magdahavas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Russia_20110514-rncnirp_resolution.pdf

Appeals
https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/
https://www.5gappeal.eu/
https://www.emfscientist.org/images/docs/International_EMF_Scientist-Appeal.pdf
https://www.magdahavas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Russia_20110514-rncnirp_resolution.pdf
https://magdahavas.com/international-experts-perspective-on-the-health-effects-of-electromagnetic-fields-emf-and-electromagnetic-radiation-emr/

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>>10712042
5G, Millimeter Waves:

Martin Pall to the NIH on 5G
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
Dr. Sharon Goldberg Testifies at Michigan's 5G Small Cell Tower Legislation Hearing October 4, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK0AliMe-KA
Scientists Warn of Health Effects: Washington DC Council 5G Small Cell Roundtable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLynbr5iPc
Claire Edwards, UN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SlpEyvDmw4

White house disposition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbY8fvTidU

https://ehtrust.org/scientific-research-on-5g-and-health/
https://ehtrust.org/letter-fcc-dr-yael-stein-md-opposition-5g-spectrum-frontiers/
https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/5g-networks-iot-scientific-overview-human-health-risks/
https://www.youtube.com/user/watchehtrust/videos

Pall 2018 - 5G: Great risk for EU, U.S. and International Health! Compelling Evidence for Eight Distinct Types of Great Harm Caused by Electromagnetic Field (EMF) Exposures and the Mechanism that Causes Them
https://peaceinspace.blogs.com/files/5g-emf-hazards--dr-martin-l.-pall--eu-emf2018-6-11us3.pdf

Neufeld 2018 - Systematic Derivation of Safety Limits for Time-Varying 5G Radiofrequency Exposure Based on Analytical Models and Thermal Dose.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30247338
Feldman 2008 - Human skin as arrays of helical antennas in the millimeter and submillimeter wave range.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18517913
Feldman 2009 - The electromagnetic response of human skin in the millimetre and submillimetre wave range.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19430110

>> No.10712046 [DELETED] 

>>10712041
If radiation causes cancer then it doesn't have non-cancerous side effects.

>> No.10712049

>>10708201
You should check out all the things the FDA has labeled as, "GRAS." Then cross reference those things with health. Radio waves will be your least concern then.

>> No.10712057

>>10712049
We can be concerned about more than one thing.

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>>10712045
-Eastern Europe, Soviet and Russian work
[m][Studies in Soviet Science] Pathological Effects of Radio Waves (1973) - Mariya Sergeevna Tolgskaya, Zinaida Vasil’evna Gordon
1977 - TRANSLATIONS ON USSR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES (GUO 28/77) EFFECTS OF NONIONIZING ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88b01125r000300120005-6
1993 - EFFECTS OF ELETROMAGNETIC RADIATION ON BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS: CURRENT STATUS IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000100070001-9
Changes in bacterial behavior
1971 - INDUCTION OF COLICINE SYNTHESIS BY MEANS OF MILLIMETER RADIATION
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00787r000500090006-4

[m][Moscow Symposium] 1998 - Electromagnetic fields biological effects and hygienic standardization
Page 171: Betskii - On the sensitivity of living organisms to superweak electromagnetic waves in the millimetre range
Page 429: Ushakov - Cooperative influence of the circularly polarised millimeter waves and EtBr on E.Coli cells

Belyaev 2000 - Nonthermal Effects of Extremely High-Frequency Microwaves on Chromatin Conformation in Cells in vitro — Dependence on Physical,Physiological, and Genetic Factors
https://www.avaate.org/IMG/pdf/IEEE_MTT_paper.pdf

-Active Denial, crowd control
https://jnlwp.defense.gov/Press-Room/Fact-Sheets/Article-View-Fact-sheets/Article/577989/active-denial-technology/

-Millimeter wave body scanners, surveillance

-Insects
Thielens 2018 - Exposure of Insects to Radio-Frequency Electromagnetic Fields from 2 to 120 GHz
[deleted nature journal link which is seen as spam]
Halverson 1999 - Microwave and millimeter wave method and apparatus for controlling insects in stored-products
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6192598B1/en

>> No.10712062
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>>10712058
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarming-study-shows-massive-insect-loss/
https://vtecostudies.org/blog/new-vce-study-reveals-decline-in-vermont-forest-birds/

LED streetlights suppress nighttime pollinators
[m]_Blue light, LEDs, lighting.txt

AT&T's Project AirGig
https://about.att.com/story/2018/airgig.html
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-at-t-project-airgig-could-improve-telecommuting-and-remote-work-in-rural-areas/
https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-s-project-airgig-could-extend-5g-mmwave-signals
https://www.microwavejournal.com/blogs/17-gary-lerude-mwj-technical-editor/post/31729-atts-project-airgig-seeks-equipment-suppliers
https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2019/03/project_airgig.html

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Videos:

Olle Johannson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i-Ki5dFXdI

Mallery Blythe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q

Lennart Hardell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxGjKuKOU8

Martin Pall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ATQF8omdI

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[m] = mediafire

Electromagnetic spectrum
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Electromagnetic-Spectrum.svg

SI unit prefixes (Milli, micro, giga, etc)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#Prefixes

Effect Threshold Lists
https://maisonsaine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/CAVI_Society_attachment.pdf
https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=171428&x=..

>> No.10712063

>>10712041
Effects are the same thing as non-effects. If there are effects then there aren't non-effects.

>> No.10712068
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10712068

>>10712062
By the early 1970's study of the effects of non-ionizing radiation on biological systems was already well underway. Although there were known patterns and some theoretical work had been done, many aspects were reported as phenomena with a lack of testable low level mechanisms. The "thermal vs athermal" debate recurred, but stretches back to the 1920's.
[m][NMRI] Glaser 1972 - BIBLIOGRAPHY OF REPORTED BIOLOGICAL PHENOMENA ('EFFECTS') AND CLINICAL MANIFESTATIONS ATTRIBUTED TO MICROWAVE AND RADIO-FREQUENCY RADIATION

By the mid 90's altered calcium flux and downstream signalling had emerged as a non-thermal mechanism. Later it would be shown to be a primary one.

Pall 2013 - Electromagnetic fields act via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce beneficial or adverse effects
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802593

Pall 2016 - Electromagnetic Fields Act Similarly in Plants as in Animals Probable Activation of Calcium Channels via Their Voltage Sensor
http://www.esalq.usp.br/lepse/imgs/conteudo_thumb/Electromagnetic-Fields-Act-Similarly-in-Plants-as-in-Animals---Probable-Activation-of-Calcium-Channels-via-Their-Voltage-Sensor.pdf
(https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ccb/2016/00000010/00000001/art00010))

Pacher 2007 - Nitric Oxide and Peroxynitrite in Health and Disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248324/

Knott 2009 - Nitric Oxide in Health and Disease of the Nervous System
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933573/

Gandhi 2019 - Microwave Emissions From Cell Phones Exceed Safety Limits in Europe and the US When Touching the Body
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8688629

Belyaev 2008 - Microwaves from UMTS/GSM mobile phones induce long-lasting inhibition of 53BP1/gamma-H2AX DNA repair foci in human lymphocytes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18839414

>> No.10712073
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>>10712068
Markova 2010 - Microwaves from Mobile Phones Inhibit 53BP1 Focus Formation in Human Stem Cells More Strongly Than in Differentiated Cells: Possible Mechanistic Link to Cancer Risk
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/pdf/10.1289/ehp.0900781

Eberhardt 2008 - Blood-brain barrier permeability and nerve cell damage in rat brain 14 and 28 days after exposure to microwaves from GSM mobile phones.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18821198

Pall 2016 - Microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) produce widespread neuropsychiatric effects including depression
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599?via%3Dihub

Nirwane 2016 - Neurobehavioural Changes and Brain Oxidative Stress Induced by Acute Exposure to GSM900 Mobile Phone Radiations in Zebrafish (Danio rerio)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843974/

Pall 2018 - Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355

[m]Adey 2003 - Evidence for Nonthermal Electromagnetic Bioeffects Potential Health Risks in Evolving Low-Frequency & Microwave Environments
From "Electromagnetic Environments and Health in Buildings", 2004.

Gandhi 2012 - Exposure Limits: The underestimation of absorbed cell phone radiation, especially in children
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21999884
https://ehtrust.org/a-summary-exposure-limits-the-underestimation-of-absorbed-cellphone-radiation-especially-in-children/

-Effects on fertility
Bakacak 2015 - The effects of electromagnetic fields on the number of ovarian primordial follicles: An experimental study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26043407

Magras and Xenos 1997 - RF radiation-induced changes in the prenatal development of mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261543

>> No.10712079
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>>10712073
Sperm dropped, 50%
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-problem.html (
Levine 2017 - Temporal trends in sperm count: a systematic review and meta-regression analysis
https://academic.oup.com/humupd/article/23/6/646/4035689 )

Akdag 2018 - Exposure to non-ionizing electromagnetic fields emitted from mobile phones induced DNA damage in human ear canal hair follicle cells.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29667447

Adey 1990 - Joint actions of environmental nonionizing electromagnetic fields and chemical pollution in cancer promotion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1567752/
"To pursue these problems in the environment and in the laboratory, our needs for further research with appropriate budgets are great. We recognize the importance of studies that address the effects of long-term, recurrent, intermittent exposures to environmental electromagnetic fields, which is an area where simplistic concepts of cumulative dose effects do not apply. These epidemiologic and laboratory studies emphasize the growing impact of environmental chemical pollution and the rapidly increasing deployment of an almost infinite variety of environmental electromagnetic fields as possible joint factors in cancer promotion. As we move towards the twenty-first century, elucidation of mechanisms underlying these interactions at the cellular and molecular level will become matters of urgency. At the same time, implementation of public policies that would mitigate risks from these exposures may impact heavily on existing industrial practices and on important aspects of environmental planning in housing and urban development. At this stage, it is of paramount importance that the significance of these issues no longer be ignored.
[...]

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>>10712079
Do these EM fields constitute a health hazard? Based on available epidemiological data and laboratory studies, it has become increasingly clear that these fields acting either alone or in conjunction with chemicals that occur as environmental pollutants may constitute a potential health hazard. Much has been accomplished in the past decade in establishing a firm base of new knowledge, despite a grave and growing lack of research funds and also entrenched and often self-serving attitudes among influential groups who have denied the possibility of adverse effects, based simply on their a priori positions."
And now here we are 30 years later, we've been dug in even further, have failed to institute responsible public policies, and the situation has worsened tenfold. There should be a public demand that efforts be made to make these devices demonstrably safe. However at this point the liability is so incomprehensibly massive that any publically discolsed R&D which implicitly admits to a lack of safety, would have to be an unacceptable risk. There's more than enough evidence to demonstrate that it was known, by many parties, that their products were unsafe. It's all tied together and they know that if one goes down, they're all going down.

Hardell 2018 - Effects of Mobile Phones on Children's and Adolescents' Health: A Commentary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28504422

Autism:
Timothy Syndrome causes calcium channels to be overactive, leading to chronically elevated intracellular calcium and aberrant calcium signalling (during prenatal development as well). Pulsed microwaves have a similar action.
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/timothy-syndrome

>> No.10712084

>>10711855
5G is already a monumental flop and disaster
All the antennas are much less able to penetrate than initially expected and its costing billions in additional research
The masses are also waking up to the issue of diseases caused by the radiation and the industry corruption and cover-ups
Enjoy the class actions retard

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>>10712082
Martha Herbert, PhD. Pediatric neurology, Mass. General.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7520940748.pdf
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part11.pdf
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part2.pdf

-EEG Changes
[m][Moscow Symposium] 1998 - Electromagnetic fields biological effects and hygienic standardization
Page 501: Grigoriev - Humans responses to the electromagnetic radiation from cellular telephones
Page 513: Khudnitskii - Investigations of the functional condition of the central nervous and cardio-vascular systems among mobile telephone users

-Review
Raines 1981 - Electromagnetic field interactions with the human body: Observed effects and theories
[apparently nasa links are spam]

[m][DIA] Adams 1976 - BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION (RADIOWAVES AND MICROWAVES) EURASIAN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES

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Legal and history:

Federal preemption of local control. FCC guidelines are set up as a key control structure chokepoint.
1996 Telecommunications act, section 704 subsection II clause iv.
"No State or local government or instrumentality thereof may regulate the placement, construction, and modification of personal wireless service facilities on the basis of the environmental effects of radio frequency emissions to the extent that such facilities comply with the Commission's regulations concerning such emissions."
https://transition.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.pdf

Now it's the streamline small cell deployment act. Contains the same language in sec 7B, iv. Additional legal faculty for approvals and denials, definition of what may legally constitute aesthetic concerns.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3157/text

>> No.10712096

>>10712084
>All the antennas are much less able to penetrate than initially expected
How embarrassing.

>> No.10712097
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>>10712091
But apparently that was taking too long.
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-facilitates-wireless-infrastructure-deployment-5g
https://www.govtech.com/policy/FCC-Ruling-Strips-Small-Cell-Local-Control-Mechanisms.html

Standards:
Overview of ELF and RF exposure safety standards in various countries. The USSR had the first standard of 10uW/cm2 for occupational exposure during a workday, 1958. Poland and Czechoslovakia followed with similar standards. the US later followed with a thermal-based guideline of 10mW/cm2, time averaged over 6 minutes. A difference of at least 1000x. This received a lot of attention. Later symposiums like the one held in Warsaw sponsored by WHO, Poland, and the US, bridged some of the eastern and western observations. Soviet researchers described the syndrome they called "microwave sickness", other aspects were discussed.
[m][Rome Labs] Bolen 1988 - RADIOFREQUECY MICROWAVE RADIATION BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS AND SAFETY STANDARDS A REVIEW

Under the WHO a program including replication of the studies used as a basis for the Soviet standard was undertaken, using modern methods. The RNCNIRP provided its report in 2008, corroborating previous results.
"CHILDREN AND MOBILE PHONES: THE HEALTH OF THE FOLLOWING GENERATIONS IS IN DANGER

>> No.10712098

>>10712097
According to the opinion of the Russian National Committee on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection, the following health hazards are likely to be faced by the children mobile phone users in the nearest future: disruption of memory, decline of attention, diminishing learning and cognitive abilities, increased irritability, sleep problems, increase in sensitivity to the stress, increased epileptic readiness.
Expected (possible) remote health risks: brain tumors, tumors of acoustical and vestibular nerves (in the age of 25-30 years), Alzheimer’s disease, “got dementia”, depressive syndrome, and the other types of degeneration of the nervous structures of the brain (in the age of 50 to 60)."
https://www.who.int/peh-emf/project/mapnatreps/RUSSIA%20report%202008.pdf


Modern day China and other Asian countries have slightly stricter standards than Russia. Use of low intensity pulsed microwaves is common in their biological research when the intent is to induce DNA damage or oxidative stress in an animal. Pregnant women often wear RF reflecting clothing, though Western and USSR research indicated this is difficult to do well for general purpose use, and can actually make exposures worse. Indicates a difference in cultural consciousness.

Where we are:
https://www.investigate-europe.eu/publications/how-much-is-safe/

-FCC, Tom Wheeler and others
http://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/capturedagency_alster.pdf

WHO:
-WHO doesn't expose itself and its RF working group is industry affiliated
Hardell 2018 - World Health Organization, radiofrequency radiation and health - a hard nut to crack (Review)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5504984/
-WHO composition, affiliations over time.
https://microwavenews.com/docs/WHOWatch.pdf
https://microwavenews.com/news/case-emf-precautionary-policies

>> No.10712107

>>10712098
Overall the direction of WHO's position remains the same as the 1981 EHC. Citing mostly continuous wave exposure and short term studies in many sections, key data has been omitted. Effects of modulation, athermal effects, and polarization are acknowledged shortly but dismissed as non-evaluatable, despite being the most relevant for exposures of the general population. Modern data has confirmed most of the observations which began in now 50+ year old animal studies, in humans.
[m][Warsaw Symposium] 1973 - Biologic Effects and Health Hazards of Microwave Radiation
(Sponsored by WHO)
[m][WHO] 1981 - Environmental Health Criteria 16 - RADIOFREQUENCY AND MICROWAVES
[m][WHO] 1984 - Environmental Health Criteria 35 - EXTREMELY LOW FREQUENCY (ELF) FIELDS
WHO 1993 - ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CRITERIA 137: ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS (300 HZ TO 300 GHZ)
http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc137.htm
WHO 2006 - Environmental Health Criteria 232: STATIC FIELDS
http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc232.pdf
WHO 2007 - Environmental Health Criteria 238: EXTREMELY LOW FREQUENCY FIELDS
http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc238.pdf


How we got here:
Starting in the late 1800's there were attempts at medical use.Forming medical-chemical complex of the 1920's in the US via control of funding during the depression, and other factors. "Electromedicine"

Later, shifting funding and focuses. Initial medical interest in fever therapy, microwave diathermy, treatment of nerve pain and psychiatric disorders (as shortwave or condenser therapy), and cancer treatment. Later focus polarized to hazards of radar.
[m]Cook 1980 - Early Research on the Biological Effects of Microwave Radiation 1940-1960
[m][Ford] Bergman 1965 - The Effect of Micro Waves on The Central Nervous System

>> No.10712108

>>10712042
>I'm just going to copy the content of the text document in the mediafire link.
As many people will read it either way really. Spamming up the thread with a million links isn't effective communication.

>> No.10712112

>>10712107
This contrasts the Russian and Eastern European view that EMFs could be viewed as drugs. This goes back to the origins of biophotonics with the observation that cells emit highly coherent bursts of UV and IR which effect other cells, Kirlian photography, ESP research. Millimeter wave and magnetic field therapies are still used there, selectively and deliberately as a treatment modality, with some active R&D. There are likely other cultural and historical aspects that tie into this, and I only know that results of these treatments and device evaluations are well published, but not how widely they're used and why.

US Military, Industry, Cold War, NATO.
-Allan Frey (Microwave auditory effect, BBB permeability research)
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/opinion-cell-phone-health-risk-40449
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/08/safety-cell-phone-radiation
-Adey (NASA, DARPA's Project Pandora (launched in response to the "Moscow Signal", itself likely launched with US refusal to sign a treaty on electromagnetic weapons), UCLA's Brain Research Institute, major figure in neuroscience and bioelectromagnetics 50's - 2004)
[m] Adey 2002 - Re NASNRC PAVE PAWS Committee Meeting, Woods Hole, Sept 9, 2002
https://microwavenews.com/news-center/darpa-radiobio
-Milton Zaret (Microwave cataract research)
https://microwavenews.com/news-center/milton-zaret-early-prophet-microwave-hazards-dies-91

-Cold War considerations.
"If the more·advanced nations of the West are strict in the enforcement of stringent exposure standards, there could be unfavorable effects on industrial output and military functions. The Eurasian Communist countries cou1d, on the other hand, give 1ip service to strict standards, but allow their military to operate without restriction and thereby gain the advantage in electronic warfare techniques and the development of antipersonnel applications.

>> No.10712116

>>10712112
The potential for the development of a number of antipersonnel applications is suggested by the research published in the USSR, East Europe, and the West. Sounds and possibly even words which appear to be originating intracranially can be induced by signal modulation at very low average power densities.

Combinations of frequencies and other signal characteristics to produce other neurological effects may be feasible in several years. The possibility of inducing metabolic diseases is also suggested. Animal experiments reported in the open literature have demonstrated the use of low-level microwave signals to produce death by heart seizure or by neurological pathologies resulting from breaching of the blood-brain barrier."
[m][DIA] Adams 1976 - BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION (RADIOWAVES AND MICROWAVES) EURASIAN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES

-Power frequency fields. Electric utilities, Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI).
-Industrial interests merging with scientific and regulatory apparatuses.
https://microwavenews.com/news/case-emf-precautionary-policies
https://microwavenews.com/news-tags/epri

-Telecom tactics over time
The Lai-Singh "Wargaming" Memo.
https://microwavenews.com/news-center/singh-comet-assay-radiation-research
Microwave News, January/February 1997. Page 13:
https://microwavenews.com/news/backissues/j-f97issue.pdf
In reference to:
Lai 1995 - Acute low-intensity microwave exposure increases DNA single-strand breaks in rat brain cells.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7677797
Lai 1994 - Microwave irradiation affects radial-arm maze performance in the rat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8024608

Contracting with Philip Morris and other PR firms. (General structure and methods haven't changed much since second-hand smoke)
Ong 2001 - Constructing “Sound Science” and “Good Epidemiology”: Tobacco, Lawyers, and Public Relations Firms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446868/

>> No.10712124

>>10712003
>affirming the consequent
I don't know which is more unhinged, your paranoid obsession or your utter failure at logical thought.

>> No.10712127

>>10712124
Sorry, I can't prove that you have a brain from here, so it must be fact that you don't have one.

>> No.10712129

>>10712116
Journal infiltration
https://microwavenews.com/short-takes-archive/bems-industry-sponsors

It appears industry is now trying to stall until at least 2020 while it deploys 5G infrastructure.
https://microwavenews.com/short-takes-archive/iarc-urged-reassess-rf

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Resources, history:
https://microwavenews.com/
https://ehtrust.org/
https://bioinitiative.org/
http://www.justproveit.net/studies

>>10712108
I've had enough conversations on here. Veritably effective communication is not my concern. If truth and a large number of well organized and structured leads are desired, there they are. The legwork is up to you.

>> No.10712140

>>10712129
But then what's your goal? Just killing any conversation that was happening by jamming up the thread? The only people who will look at all that are people who already agree with it. >>10711054 is presenting one of those links in a more approachable way.

>> No.10712159

>>10712140
I've done it all the ways. This is how I'm going to do it. If someone has specific, legitimate statements though I'll discuss it.

>> No.10712166

>>10712159
Please don't. It's hurting your own cause.

>> No.10712177

>>10712166
Excessive patience and poor use of time actually hurts the cause more. 5G is now deploying and we're faced with problems on many fronts. Man is now at a crossroads and must choose what it's going to be, and whether it'll be dragged down with its own suicidal apathy. Those who can consider this reality will do what they can to network and inform others, that's all I can do. I can't spend all day on conversations that don't get tangible results in my own locality, and no one else should either. You need to mobilize people locally, and reject this madness.

That's the choice.

>> No.10712195

>>10712177
Pretty obvious you know your life is boring and has no effect on the world so you made up a conflict

>> No.10712198

>>10712177
You can get "no results" with conversations or just make yourself a local joke by spamming the same huge walls of text every thread. If you want to inform people without having to talk to them, the information needs to be in a format that they want to look at.

>> No.10712250
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>>10712198
That's not how it works. I'm practically never on 4chan these days either way, all my conversations are in the archives. The real problem is actually that we've ended in a Plato's cave scenario, a lot of people are just overwhelmed and scared. Something I really can't help with, there just doesn't exist a nice comforting ship to jump over to. People are needed who are willing to make the ship in their own localities, or online.

Reject 5G, it can be defeated if people just decide to learn to say no. If I have my way all these legislators, committees, and boards I gave the above information and more, will be charged with criminal negligence when and if this is over. Incompetence to the point of treason is more accurate. If you just cave and say "oh well, I guess I'm just going to get brain damaged, sterilized, DNA damaged, etc some more. What can I do.", then that's exactly what you're going to get. I mean that's just how it works.

I don't use wi-fi, I don't own a cell phone, I'm not helping any of this nonsense along. You don't actually need any of these things. Now more than ever one should mind the beasts they feed.

>> No.10712252

>>10712195
prime ICNIRP post

>> No.10712301

>>10712250
>That's not how it works
Then you're saying there's three ways you know don't work, and you've chosen the one that's the median amount of effort.

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>> No.10713979

>>10712140
Search the archives for "VGCC" and you'll understand who you're dealing with

>> No.10713985

>>10713979
dont you have some more scat to spam industry tranny shill

>> No.10713989
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10713989

NON-IONIZING GOOD
NON-IONIZING DOES NOT DAMAGE BIOLOGY

>> No.10713991

>>10713985
How many times are you going to spam the same textwalls and get the same responses? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming
Take your thorazine, spergo

>> No.10713993

>>10713991
you went from "perfectly rational atheist debunker" to "severely assdamaged underpaid nerd virgin" very quickly

frustrated?

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>>10713993
I went from skipping to how these threads usually end up in my first post to calling you a fag in my second.
Screech more, autiste

>> No.10713997

>>10713996
how are you going to feel when the telecoms industry collapses in on itself in a few months?

>> No.10713998

>>10713997
I'm going to be feeling ur mum's bagina :DDD
With my benis XD

>> No.10714000

>>10713998
how many times were you just banned for spamming scat in the other thread?
no surprise phone industry shills have a lot of VPNs

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10714001

>>10713985
>>10713989
>>10713993
You're not even replying to the right person, I'm the scatspammer not him and I got your thread deleted
You must be utterly seething after saying my attempts would fail kek

>> No.10714004

>>10714001
you're probably a mod yourself lol, pretty pathetic since your astroturfing fails on all boards on all topics

eat shit

>> No.10714005

How many times does this need to be repeated anon?

IT BREAKS THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS FOR NON-IONIZING RADIATION TO CAUSE CANCER.

It's an absolutely retarded claim and would result in us using non-ionizing radiation as an unlimited power source.

Fuck off with this retarded and easily disproved dribble.

>> No.10714008

>>10714005
pathetic

>> No.10714010

>>10714004
>you're probably a mod yourself lol
If I was a mod I wouldn't ban myself and delete my own posts would I?
Cope harder, the mods will remove your schizo spam if I bother them enough with my based scat folder and there's nothing you can do to stop me ;)

>> No.10714013

>>10714010
>schizo
sloppy job, this thread is still up and so is the other one. i will keep making them and you'll have to spam them every single time.

have fun with that tranny

>> No.10714024
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>>10714013
>literally admitting he's going to start spamming again
Enjoy your posting privileges while you still aren't rangebanned jej

>> No.10714026
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Why the fuck do we have parenting threads like this one?

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>>10714024
you're the one that spams which is why your threads were deleted
a relatively smart tactic, to replicate the format of the OP and repost time and time again.

unfortunately you'll have no success with formats that can be considered high quality such as this thread

with every moment these threads are still up, sentiment against 5G, microwave exposure and the telecoms industry grows more negative.

that stings, doesnt it?

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>>10714029
>you're the one that spams which is why your threads were deleted
Those aren't my threads, those are yours. Your image and your posting style.
>unfortunately you'll have no success
Just like you said with the last thread? jej
>with every moment these threads are still up, sentiment against 5G, microwave exposure and the telecoms industry grows more negative.
No, people laugh more and more as you become more flustered and your brainlet pseudoscience gets exposed

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>>10714000
You have me confused with someone else, based retard

>> No.10714039

>>10714029
*pew pew*
>I got you! I hit you! That means I win!

>>10714036
*pew pew*
>Nuh uh! I got, like, words! observations! Ooooh my story is so important, it needs instant validation!

>> No.10714043

>>10714039
based namefag dabbing on anti-5G shills

>> No.10714044
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>>10714036
>>10714038
>>10714039
>>10714043
say goodbye to your industry

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>>10714044
>he thinks his soccor-mom pseudoscience can halt the unstoppable match of technological progress
I knew you were deluded already but this is a whole new level of cope and denial

>> No.10714049

>>10714046
*march

>> No.10714050

>>10714046
look up ray broomhall, all it takes is a doctor's note and a notice letter to your cuck corporation

but the industry will collapse anyway and you cant stop it, best start looking for a new employer to astroturf for. maybe you can get better than minimum wage next time

>> No.10714052

>>10714050
*whips out his dick*

What do I get for this?

>> No.10714057
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10714057

Remember Chinese water torture? When i was a kid, I thought this would be much bigger problem in my life than it turned out to be. However, if someone said, "Chinese water torture is just a drop of water and it can't hurt you," then would be about like calling gangstalking non-ionizing radiation, and calling this anal rape remote control electrocutor something other than what it is: torture.

Here's this part from the end of the Toy Box Killer welcome tape, pic related. That's exactly what's in my anus, and it got there by the spirit of some psychos' horrible malice, and they torture me with it every day, seemingly. I have this electroshock equipment implanted in my anus right now as I type this.

Also, fuck your non-ionizing bullshit. These motherfuckers ionized the fuck out my collar bones, and my foot which has a predicament gross bulge visibly deforming my foot, and I can feel the permanent gross numb spot inside my foot from where their implant is. It's highly ionizing, and this shit with my collar bones is like they have a 50MW gamma ray source pointed at my testicles.

>> No.10714061

>>10714050
>look up ray broomhall
What about him? 5G is getting rolled out in Sydney regardless of his stunt. Like I said, you can't halt the unstoppable march of technological progress. Schizos like you can try to delay it for a few months but in time, all of you will live to see 5G cells in your area and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it.
https://www.whistleout.com.au/MobilePhones/Guides/5g-in-australia-what-you-need-to-know

>> No.10714062

>>10714057
God of (Complex, Concise, and Creative)^TIME here. I asked what I'd get for my dick, because you are obviously a whore for opinion, and I want to know what my dick is worth on your fucking pathetic and shitty market. Your product is worthless and you are a worthless story teller, but you are a whore for story no matter what you say so...

>how much for my dick?

>> No.10714065

>>10714061
anyone with a doctor's note can cancel out any emitter indefinitely, they are not allowed to emit when put on notice
this can (and will) happen en masse and then the industry will collapse. the collapse is coming even if people dont decide to halt emitters.

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>>10714061
HOLY SHIT! NOW OUR MAGIC BRICKS CAN ALIENATE US EVEN FASTER AS WE REACH FOR HIGHER DEFINITION SATISFACTION FROM LOWER ABSTRACTIONS OF OUR HUMAN EXPERIENCES IMMORTAL AND DIVINE!

I FUCKING LOVE TECHNOLOGY!

>> No.10714070

this attempt to derail and deflect and FUD the thread is only turning more people against your masters

>> No.10714071

>>10714070
Okay, I guess I'm some sort of malevolent spirit in your eyes that is shitposting on here in order to... something?

*sigh* the thread wasn't worth anything so nothing was derailed except your ego over being able to generate worth inspection from an actual, living, story.

>> No.10714072

>>10714065
>anyone with a doctor's note can cancel out any emitter indefinitely
[citation needed]
>this can (and will) happen en masse
No it won't
>the collapse is coming even if people dont decide to halt emitters.
5G is already available in multiple cities in Australia alone, 5G is rolling out across Europe as we speak with no signs of stopping. Cope.

>> No.10714074

>>10714072
multiple councils are deciding against 5G deployment and some are even removing 4G masts as we speak
cope

>> No.10714076

>>10714072
*smacks you upside the head* the fuck sort of value you expect to get out of someone like that? You're just spitting on a beggar and laughing because he's smiling and you think he should be suffering. Dude is trapped in a story.

>>10714074
Okay, you guys can exchange opinions and arguments. Kewl. So? Why do you guys care about that when there are bigger things to worry about?
>t.virus wipes out all males I don't like, excess female to male ratio - I call it sex-g

>> No.10714082

>>10714074
>multiple councils are deciding against 5G deployment and some are even removing 4G masts as we speak
[citation needed]
>cope
Any current legal loopholes being exploited by schizos to sabotage technological progress in some shithole Aussie backwater will promptly be patched out, you can't halt the unstoppable march of technological progress (5G)

>> No.10714084

>>10714005
But, anon, non-ionizing UV-A and UV-B causes cancer.

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>>10714044
>Thinking a 4chan tantrum is going to topple a trillion dollar industry

>> No.10714095

>>10714082
check any social media site, dozens of stories of these things happening, rate of these occurrences accelerating day by day

>>10714087
4chan got Brexit through and Trump elected, that's why you're here in an attempt to stop the avalanche
hint: you already failed

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>>10714095
>4chan got Brexit through and Trump elected
Based delusional retard

>> No.10714100

>>10714099
say bye to your industry, it was easy