/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10684603
Clicks

>>10684603
Spooky invisible radiation causing diffuse "health problems" like mild joint pain, occasional headaches and all the other shit that can normally be fixed with better sleep and an occasional jog, is an incredibly appealing spook to the people who want to shift blame to something out of their hands.

>>10684603
I wouldn't call schizos on /sci/ "people."

I don't know, let's ask the most knowledgeable people on this site: /x/

>>>/x/22751756

>>10684603
Schizos. They are right, but in the wrong way. 5g could cause health problems by causing people to remain inactive due to faster internet speeds. Making smartphones more attractive could also increase the rate of back pain due to bad posture.
>>10684628
also this.
>>10684871
based

>>10684603
>the only way radiation can be harmful is by destroying human DNA cells directly
Microwaves are non-ionizing but they can cook your food by literally, directly spinning the individual water molecules. The natural environment is full of complex systems using millions of different mechanisms, any of which could in principle be disrupted by shooting low-powered microwaves at it 24/7. Not even getting into human health effects, how can you possibly, confidently believe that it won't completely fuck up something like bird migration patterns?

I bet you bitch a lot about mass extinctions and global warming and shit too. Ironic but that's just the NPC mindset, you get on board with whatever seems fashionable at a given moment. You probably won't even remember you were on board with it if it turns out to be harmful; you'll just remember you won a debate with some racists or whatever.

even microwaves can be dangerous if they're powerful enough. 5g will be pretty powerful if it's to be useful so the health concern is real.

Plus there's major concerns about security. Not only is the only 5g infrastructure provider a company proven to secretly put bugs and microchips in consumer grade electronics, which is pretty much inviting the Chinese government to put a wiretap on every cell phone in America, but the 5g signal is able to do some weird spying surveillance shit. For instance the signal can be used to literally see through walls and into peoples homes. Again, Chinese corp would be responsible for building these.

>>10684603
>why are people so stupid
Laziness. Stupid is familiar. Familiar is easy.

>>10684603
>Why am I seeing people say that microwave radiation will be dangerous? It is non ionizing radiation. Why are people so stupid?

>>10684603
The real danger is that China has back doors in the Telcom equipment. That's the CIAs job.

>>10685000
>thinks radiowaves with an intensity of multiple orders of magnitude less intensity than the waves in q microwave oven pose a danger
>assumes irrelevany beliefs of the person he argues against
>random speculation about birds that is a complete non-sequitur
>brings up race for reason
>NPC
>frogposter
It all checks out. You can go back now. :^3

>>10685039
>grasping at any excuse possible to add a new, largely untested feature to the natural environment that surrounds us 24/7
Industry anon here. We're planning to add trace amounts of uranium to your drinking water, cool? No worries, we'll stay under the recommended limit in your jurisdiction. By the way only racists wouldn't want this, my racist uncle was against it and I laughed at him using facts and logic.

>>10685160
>false equivalence
>still talking about race
What industry?

>>10685160
Nah you're the one with no evidence mate. That person dismantled all your arguments and now you're just left with bullshit name calling. Post citations or GTFO.

>>10685195
The uranium-in-your-water industry.
>>10685202
You must have me confused with someone else. I'm not arguing against 5g, I'm about to put 95% of your jurisdiction's legally allowed uranium into your water and quite possibly into the air as well.

>>10685218
So you don't actually have any argument, nor are you in any industry. Got it.

>>10685218
This guy is like an entry level philosophy course presentation on logical fallacies

>>10685221
I don't understand. I'm not arguing anything, I'm literally going to give you the maximum governmentally allowed dose of uranium, every day for the rest of your life, nothing more. Reading extra, personal meaning into an announcement like this is typical of paranoid schizophrenia, though obviously the odds of you being schizophrenic are still low in my opinion.

>>10685160
You seem obsessed with race.

>>10685244
>maximum governmentally allowed dose of uranium
So you intend on putting 0 ppm of uranium in drinking water. Fine by me seeing that is already the case. Since you aren't arguing, thank you conceding that there are no known dangers associated with 5G, as opposed to heavy and radioactive metals in drinking water.

>>10685000
>Microwaves are non-ionizing but they can cook your food
You know what else can cook food? Sunlight.

>>10685258
Yeah but you'll get sunburns in your throat when you eat it!

>>10685254
>So you intend on putting 0 ppm of uranium in drinking water. Fine by me seeing that is already the case.
No and no, but very close to zero. Certainly within the legally mandated limits---in other words, safe. I'm also working on a venture to identify interesting additives that are not yet government-regulated, and hence safe at any concentration, but we're still seeking investors.

>>10685264
So now you are saying that food cooked in microwave will radiate microwaves? The fuck, man?

>>10685266
>acceptable amount of uranium in drinking water is 2 parts per hundred billion
lmao go for it, you wont find investors for something so pointless

>>10685258
>>10685264
>artificial microwave ovens are the same as sunlight because they both cook food
This is an inane "gotcha" since microwave cooking works by a completely different mechanism than solar (mainly IR) radiation. Like I said, microwaves heat your food by spinning the water molecules directly.

I sincerely hope you're not the "logical fallacy", "first-year philosophy", "where's the argument" anon who keeps shitting up this thread if this is how you actually reason about the world.

>>10685284
Don't even bother, mate. We're obviously getting raided.

>>10685278
>>10685284
That was an ironic shitpost making fun of the guy from earlier. Kek. >>10685264

>>10685284
And the intensity of 5G is multiple orders of magnitude less than what goes on in a microwave oven, so that this mechanism doesn't apply. I already explained this. Do you also get nervous when somebody uses a walkie-talkie near you, or tunes into an FM radio broadcast?

>>10685282
>>10685302
>orders of magnitude
Well, you'll be glad to know that my firm will be putting roughly 20ppm uranium into your drinking water, about 10000 times your estimate. Still, this within legal limits in your jurisdiction and therefore healthy. Certainly ORDERS of magnitude less than would be caused by a nuclear accident, or even than occurs naturally in uranium-rich aquifers.

>>10685454
>this within legal limits in your jurisdiction and therefore healthy
No it isnt

>>10685284
Sunlight at the same power levels of a microwave would literally just burn your food into ash.

>>10685513
I love how he realized how stupid his initial argument was so he changed it completely and hoped you wouldn't notice

HOW MUCH frequency and amplitude has 5G

>>10685634
Three fiddy

>>10685621
Lol
>>10685634
Doesn't matter. Based capitalists are building it so it must be safe. Otherwise it would be all over the newspapers, and the based government would put a stop to it.

>>10685878
its actually the chinks that are building it
they're definitely not putting spy infrastructure inside of it, its fine

>>10685621
It's funny how you fucks never address an argument directly, just try to play to the crowd, play dumb as long as you can and eventually claim victory. Believe it or not, this is an unconscious process hard-coded into your personality from birth. You're an authoritarian, not a thinker. You are literally incapable of weighing arguments and coming to your own conclusions; that's why you spend so much time on Twitter and places like that. You're literally trying to get your marching orders for the day. And at the end of it all: >>10685000
>you'll just remember you won a debate with some racists or whatever.

>>10686143
>Microwaves are non-ionizing but they can cook your food by literally, directly spinning the individual water molecules.
So heat transfer through radiation? How scary
> The natural environment is full of complex systems using millions of different mechanisms, any of which could in principle be disrupted by shooting low-powered microwaves at it 24/7. Not even getting into human health effects, how can you possibly, confidently believe that it won't completely fuck up something like bird migration patterns?
interesting claim you wouldn't just post something like this without evidence right? So please provide it.
>
I bet you bitch a lot about mass extinctions and global warming and shit too. Ironic but that's just the NPC mindset, you get on board with whatever seems fashionable at a given moment. You probably won't even remember you were on board with it if it turns out to be harmful; you'll just remember you won a debate with some racists or whatever.
Identity politics BS; not an argument.

>>10685000
>>10686143
The purpose of the FCC is to make sure that the levels of saturation don't climb that high. Sure, if we were to put a 5G tower on every city block the way we do Starbucks, it might end up being a little intensive. But that level of service requires incredibly retarded people to do illegal things for the sake of money, in the name of higher consumer service.

Civilization is fundamentally not as retarded as you would need to believe it to be to get anyone here to take this line of reasoning seriously.

>>10684603
It's Russian propaganda and I'm not even joking - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-health-russia.html

>>10686161
>intentionally playing dumb
>>10686171
>based government takes care of her own
I'm inclined to believe this thread is full of boomers and trolls. There's no way this place is important enough to attract shareblue-style astroturfers... is there?

>>10686176
why is it always the same facebook boomers who fall for this shit?

>>10686185
not an argument retard justify your position

>>10686176
>muh russia
Jesus Christ, NY Times, give it a rest. This didn't work in 2016 and it won't work now.

>>10686197
>attacking the source rather than the facts
Ad hominem the last resort of one incapable of argument

>>10686204
Just to be clear, you ARE saying we need to take the 5g threat seriously, regardless of whether the facts are coming from Russia or not?

>>10686207
>Yet even as RT America, the cat’s paw of Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, has been doing its best to stoke the fears of American viewers, Mr. Putin, on Feb. 20, ordered the launch of Russian 5G networks in a tone evoking optimism rather than doom.
sums it up

>>10686197
The original tweet was making fun on white people why would you change it to jews?

>>10686213
>RT America, the cat’s paw of Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin
The New York Times circa AD 2019

>>10686221
little complicated for your third grade reading level huh? Do you need to google some of those words? i'll wait.

>>10686185
>There's no way this place is important enough to attract shareblue-style astroturfers... is there?
Nah, just the usual goon cuck raiders. There's a filter option, but I like to keep em around just for laughs. the guy who never uses capitals or punctuation is my favorite i think he wholeheartedly believes all the stupid boomer shit he reads on twitter

>>10685284
imagine if 5g didn't use 24–86 GHz, and instead used 430,000ghz –770,000ghz. Anything in range would be eviscerated

>>10686272
>the same "gotcha" in a slightly different, lower-IQ form
You been drinking tonight?

>>10686221
I miss Haruhi.

>>10686294
I don't. Bitch blackmailed me and stole my computer.

>>10686308
But you got a Yuki in compensation. More than a fair trade.

>>10686189
still waiting for a reply

>>10685284
That only works in that way because the microwave produces a standing wave for the food item to sit in. The waves from 5g towers will not be standing and will not be able to affect cells in such a controlled manner. Also, they can't penetrate through your skin

Ok, so what is my overall list of extreme non-negative 100% make my life better results because of this tech?

>>10686471
If the internet gets fast enough you can have an AI be your girlfriend.

>>10686394
See? I love this guy. You'd think he wasn't serious but he's been keeping this persona in these threads for months or years. An exiled goon who couldn't scare up another :10bucks:? Who knows.

>>10685258
You know what we evolved alongside of? Sunlight. Did primitive man have 5g?

>>10686272
no the this technology will be securely locked down as apple iphone not possible

>>10686954
>You know what we evolved alongside of? Sunlight.
Then how does it still causes sunburns and skin cancer?

>bionitiative.org
literally dozens of studies showing EMR have health effects. but Im sure putting emitters of a completely untested new technology on every street corner is perfectly safe. the government wouldnt allow health hazards just to make a quick buck after all

>>10687103
This desu. The only way someone could doubt our wise government is if they're russian trolls or otherwise under the influence of vladimir putin. It's called logic and facts, people.

>>10687095
See, even then it's not perfectly safe.

>>10687132
You can't flip-flop your point of view just to win the argument retard

>>10687103
>literally dozens of studies showing EMR have health effects.
This is like saying dozens of studies show "chemicals" have health effects. A statement so broad as to be meaningless, only meant to have the illusion of meaning and scare the retarded.

>a completely untested new technology
But that's a lie. Explain why you're lying or forfeit anyone taking your posts seriously

>>10687135
arguments like this just go around and around until nobody even knows what started the argument in the first place. There's no such thing as objective truth mathematically speaking and anyone who thinks that 5g is a dangerous clearly has to learn to draw a line which can differentiate between facts and pseudo scientific sensationalist hysteria

>>10687135
>hurr durr studies dont mean anything

>>10687134
I never said it was 100% safe

>>10685000
>Ironic but that's just the NPC mindset
>>/pol/

>>10687148
I just read this study that said too much dihydrogen monoxide in the lungs can cause death. It's literally in everything now how can companies keep getting away with murdering us.

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>>10687144
>There's no such thing as objective truth mathematically speaking

>>10686892
That's what I thought no argument
at this point I was just hoping you'd be able to convince yourself but you seem to have given up on even that.

>>10687148
>ruining your credibility even more with inane non-sequiturs

>>10685218
this image gives me feelings of epilepsy
please refrain from posting it in the future.

>>10688631
Chika chika motherfucker.

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>>10685202


>only ionizing radiation is harmful

>Clear evidence of tumors in the hearts of male rats. The tumors were malignant schwannomas.
>Some evidence of tumors in the brains of male rats. The tumors were malignant gliomas.
>Some evidence of tumors in the adrenal glands of male rats. The tumors were benign, malignant, or complex combined pheochromocytoma.

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/results/areas/cellphones/index.html