/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10506390
it exists. qualia are the illusion.

>>10506397
Wrong.
It exists, and qualia exists as well

>>10506401
You are also wrong there is no difference between physical and qualia to begin with. They are interchangeable.

>>10506390
if you can ask the question of whether or not it exists then yes, it exists

>>10506390
If you go into a sensory deprivation tank, do you seize to exist?

>>10506397
Philosophical zombie detected

>>10506417
Wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXX-_G_9kww
http://cogprints.org/6613/1/Dualism0409.pdf

>>10506390
Define exists. In the broadest meaning of the term, it must exists since you can talk about it.

>>10506390
An illusion of qualia, but the qualities are there nonetheless. It's not "nothing" that's for sure.

>>10506397
How much does it exist then? What quality of existence is it?

>>10506417
Matter is formed, not the otherway around

>>10506506
>>10506545

>I think therefore I define myself
Circular reasoning

>>10506401
do dollars exist? similar illusion.

>>10506553
You can't have formless matter and you can't have form without matter. There really isn't any separation.

>>10506590
Empirically it's a conjugate, but the form still dictates "matter". Carbon can become a plethora of phenomena, but without form it's absolutely nothing. It can't even have the "form" of carbon since carbon is just a formation of "protons and neutrons". It doesn't just form itself, the matter is impelled by something.

>>10506590
form is a human construct. mattet has no tangible form.

>>10506390
What test can you do to determine whatever you are referring to exists or not? If no, then your question is meaningless.

Is qualia real in an idealists' universe?

>>10506390
By Occam's razor, only my mind exists