/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10476910
because no one cares except retarded athiests

>>10476918
fpbp

>>10476918
>>10476959
Shame on you guys, taking pride in ignorance.

>>10476979
>not going to church is mai gr8 intellectual qualification
lel

>>10476910
i think this is neat but theres way too many

>>10477010
>There's way too many things to learn in math.
>Let's not teach any math.

>>10476910
What does this have to do with /sci/

>>10476979
>ignorance
look in a mirror

>>10476910
they are

i took a class last year that largely dealt with thought and reason and we had to present on fallacies and provide examples of these fallacies in advertisement and media. the teacher did a presentation that included that same picture op

t. recent high school graduate

>>10477042
Where was this? And how would you rate your experience? I'm glad it was taught.
Nothing of this sort was offered to me a decade ago. Or even presented outside my intro to philosophy class in university.

Most of them become obvious if you learn how to form an argument and analyze information. Formal fallacies are interesting and actually give insight into gaps in thought processes but those can be taught in a good math class. Informal fallacies are not universal rules of logic but a collection of examples of poor arguments that people do all the time, but obviously aren't always "bad" arguments and if you care to put some thought into it you can see case by case what constitutes a good argument. If you just teach a list of fallacies, it will be no different from any other average class, people will just regurgitate it without understanding why they are poor arguments and you will get obnoxious kids who think winning an argument means shouting "FALLACY" without themselves forming a proper counterargument. Understanding that after making a point, somone calling you a faggot doesn't constitute a good retort shouldn't really be that obscure so that you need to go to you notebook and look for Ad Hominem, it simply wasn't a retort that adressed the point in any significant way. It's actually pretty clear when somone hasn't contributed to a discussion so identifying the fallacies listed in the /pol/ sticky shouldn't be that much trouble.

What the /pol/kiddies forget is that what is much more harder is to identify when and why has a statement been proven in some context. For example, plenty of the rhetoric that tries to prove concpiracy theories starts by showing something is "off" with the explanation of some event. That means trying to show one argument is not air tight. The problem comes when this is uses as proof for alternative explanation which most of the times is pretty ludicrous and there is no reason why the possibilities should be excluded to these cases, and so showing there is a flaw in the argument gives no insight into what the actual answer is.

>>10477056
I agree but I see ad hominem on the daily, I wish they explicitly said in school DO NOT DO THIS.

>>10477068
You know, just because some guys calls somone an idiot, it doesn't mean they think they are making a proper argument. Hell I don't understand why anyone would think that someone typing faggot means they think they are making a proper argument or that because after making an argument, ending it faggot means they are making an ad hominen. The intention of insults is almost always to, well, insult someone out if emotion, but you must really be retarded if you think this is really an argument.

>>10477087
Well I never call anyone a faggot, it just seems pointless and doesn't really contribute much to the discussion. It just helps them feel superior, I guess that's why people do it.

>>10477099
I'm starting to believe that you are talking about other anons. I have never been called a faggot by someone who wasn't teasing or just plain mad with me irl, but never when discussing something. And well, it's no mystery thay people online act differently, but not being rude really isn't something that has necessarily an effect on the point being discussed.

>>10477055
florida

the high school i went to offered a cambridge academy program where you could receive a special diploma if you obtained all necessary credits, this class being one of them

https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/programmes-and-qualifications/cambridge-international-as-and-a-level-thinking-skills-9694/

it was okay. very introductory, and just gave the simplest fundamentals, but the class wasn't useless or anything. we were the first class to be given the opportunity to participate in this program, so it's still a very recent development.

>>10477124
Stop projecting faget

logical fallacies are a fallacy

You're absolutely right. I first got them mid way through my undergrad and I was a poli sci major. I remember my dad trying to teach me in high school and being so confused.

It led to my love of logic in general, but this should be taught in grade school. A rhetoric class to plant the seed of critical thinking in youth would probably have prevented the entire millenial generation of beta boy cukck believers that we have to deal with now.

>>10476910
Facts and logic have a liberal bias. Conservatives don't want their serfs to learn to think critically.

>>10477579
Here in America we need God in the classroom! Not your fake demonic theories!

High school English, Junior year, was all about argument and rhetoric, including logical fallacies

>>10477288
Okay, this is epic.

>>10477272
Nice ad hominem :^)

This is what a life dedicated to studying cognitive biases and trying to avoid them will get you
pic related

Tbh Id be more concerned about whether theyd even benefot from such instruction goven how retarded the average person/teacher is. Imagine if youre a normal kid whos unlucky enough to end up in a class with 15 retards and a 95 IQ teacher - a very real possibility. I can already picture retards qnd the teacher siding against a kid who says that p implies q, not q, therefore not p is a valid inference. Or the sort of fuss that conditional/counterfactual reasoning as well as probabilistic reasoning causes in 90+% of the population. We've all hear the retards say stuff like as"lmao global warming doesnt real because it was cold yesterday" or "men arent taller than women because Ms. Williams is taller than Mr. Mikkelsen" (especially if youve spent a decent amount of time in the black urban areas or amongst white trash).

Just imagine if you got a politically motivated teacher (e.g. in this case, a climate change denying conservative or a lefty who says everything is a social construct including all sex differences between men and women). Theres a good chance that such a incompetent and biased teachers might agree with and encourage such reasoning and say stupid shit like "good job considering both sides" or "your right, you can say cigarettes cause cancer because not ALL smoker get cancer".

Better just let the retards be retards. The people with even a modicim of intellectual competence will learn the rest (and even figure out themselves) on theor own.

>>10477579
What about anti-vaxxers, social constuctionists, people that claim that evolutionary biology doesnt apply to humans, and people who claim that science is an "imperialistic" western concept? Retards cone in all shapes and sizes.

>>10477023
well where can i learn about them? I cant find any solid info

>>10477950
he's unironically biased and is just using words normies dont understand.

>>10477285
Some biscuits are looser

>>10477288
>>10478079
>>10478086
>le SJWs and liberals are all retarded communists, but white nationalists and Nazis are educated and highly intelligent meme

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/. I mean do you retards honestly even like math or science?

This is day 1 stuff in most introductory philosophy classes, though some instructors skip the informal logic.

>>10478255
how the fucc do i find an introductiry philosophy course

There was one a time when if you were privileged enough you received a "classical education" in the form of the Trivium (Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric) and Quadrivium (Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, Astronomy) aka the seven liberal arts. For a time this was taught in schools but then the Prussians realized that a well educated military was less effective as it's soldiers were more apt to question orders and actions. In response to this they developed the method that is now in use around much of the world that divides students by age group and seeks to indoctrinate and teach what to think rather than how.

>>10479041
check out John Gatto's books for more info

because our public education system is shite and run by morons who regularly commit every sort of logical fallacy themselves.

>>10479041

sounds believable. most of the people running our schools are either idiots or not acting in good faith.

>itt edgy pissed hs

>>10479139

no, the entire education system, middle school, high school, and public colleges would look radically different if it was designed in good faith.

>>10478252
Yes actually, I love it more than you do. Now fuck off back to redd1t.

>>10476910
It's not really worth teaching
If your reasoning is flawed in a paper you write, the teacher should correct it on a case-by-case basis seeing as a lot of "fallacies" aren't really fallacies in general

>>10479836
>I love math and science
Then you'd know that literally zero people besides evangelicals argue that evolutionary biology doesn't apply to humans
And no my science loving friend, finding studies on race and intelligence flawed is not the same thing as denying evolution happens to humans

>Implying school is not a stepping stone to an independent mature life of achievement.
>Implying the drive for self-improvement and the desire to "rise above" is not what separates the great from the mediocre

why are you so insecure?

>>10478079
men literally aren't taller than women though, height isn't a dimorphic trait in human beings

>>10477268
still cool nonetheless

>>10477929
Mine was about George killing Lennie and Arthur Dimmesdale knocking that hoe up.

>>10478095
This was a good intro course with a 14 day free trial.

https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/your-deceptive-mind-a-scientific-guide-to-critical-thinking-skills

>>10478280
Aside from free youtube lectures,

this is pretty quality and you get 14 days free
https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/show/the_big_questions_of_philosophy