/sci/ - Science & Math

Its not about the data, because the equality of races is the scientific equivalent of the bible. No matter how outdated or absurd it is people will cling to it and denounce anyone who does not follow.

>>10277341
There is no scientific data that shows they are not. It’s not our job to disprove his dumb ass, it’s his job to prove it and he couldn’t prove shit.

the only explanation is that there is a god who put equal distribution of intelligence in all races otherwise there is no reason to believe they are magically equal

>>10277345
It is your job if you are going to demonize him for it and call him wrong. Assuming they are all equal without evidence is just as bad as saying they aren’t without evidence.

>>10277347
even creationists would not go along with that, they believe in adaptation- micro-evolution in their tongue/

>>10277345
>stick fingers in ears, kick, and scream while being shown the proof
>lol just show me the proof already

>>10277345

The "facts" he's referring to were deemed politically incorrect; and hence since he is incorrect he is wrong and should be publicaly denounced.

There you go; I hope that cleared things up for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo

>>10277390
>political correctness is the same as scientific fact

please kill yourself

>thinking intelligence can be measured

>>10277341

>research and conclude that oriental asians are the smartest race and blacks are the dumbest.
>get called a white supremacist.

Oy vey.

>>10277398
It can. IQ is the most well defined and understood subject in phychology.

>>10277414
sure thing, measure an IQ of an alien, nice tip: you can not

>>10277417
Find me one and I could

>>10277430
i'm an alien, would you can measure me?

>>10277341
>>Say that blacks aren’t as intelligent as whites and it’s due to genetics
Which is not true. The way he stated his hatred is very easily falsified. In fact I'm pretty sure there are blacks smarter than himself.
Also his racism is just one of his many outrageous claims. He's basically using his platform as a Noble Laureate to start shitting on everyone for no reason.

>>10277417

The inability for an IQ test to measure an Aliens intelligence is not a problem. We also would struggle to measure it's health. What if aliens require clogged up arteries and lungs full of cancer to live? We just don't know.

What we do know is that for humans we can measure their health, without worrying that aliens might have a different set of criteria for what constitutes heath.

the elites need to keep a lid on biological determinism as a concept, and not just when it comes to the black white iq concept but in general, because it can bring the whole house of cards down which is built on "anybody can become a millionaire if they work hard and persevere"

>>10277447
Most retarded conspiracy theory of the week. Congrats.

>>10277441
>In fact I'm pretty sure there are blacks smarter than himself.
WHOA!
>Which is not true.
QED (like a boss!)

>>10277449
it's not a conspiracy theory it's the bare facts, the fundamental pillar of our capitalist system revolves around this concept

>>10277438
Sure. Take an IQ test

>>10277444
how do you measure "health"?
How much minus health is cancer compared to pneumonia?

>>10277441
>which is not true
Proof?

>>10277460
I can't

>>10277462
This, health and IQ don’t exist
>*eats lard*

>>10277457
>>10277467
>too much of a brainlet to take the hint
Ouch.

>>10277469
Then you must have a low IQ

>>10277417
you can measure iq no problem
you didnt ask to measure intelligence you 3 iq faggot

>>10277486
sure you can, but implying any scale is anything other than arbitrary and has any practical meaning whatsoever is retarded

>>10277474
excellent example of a proof, not at all being a he he memeboy27 fag. nice job, keep it up

>>10277498
You're too stupid to get the hint even after I point it out. Good job yourself untermensch.

>Say that blacks aren’t as intelligent as whites and it’s due to genetics

Actually he made unsubstantiated claims about blacks having poor workmanship at companies. Then stated that the economic outlook for Africa looks bleak because they do not have the same social standards (or something to that effect alluding to intelligence differences) of other populations.

This is despite the fact that Nigeria has a higher economic output than Greece and North Korea who have at least estimated +10-15 IQ over them. Now if you say that Nigeria has an unfair advantage due to larger population then my retort is that Japan has a lower population than Nigeria but shits on them economically. So what are Greece and North Korea's excuse at that point? Both have easily bigger support structures via European Union and China so why the difference? If your response is then that Nigeria is the exception to the rule then again my retort goes back to Japan again who was supposedly the exception to the rule to for East Asia. That was until China and South Korea became economically powerful.

The truth is Watson was called out on his shit talking to which he has no expertise on (remember we are talking about economics here) and while he didn't deserved to lose his job he did need a verbal gut punch. Plenty of scientists bring up low IQ and test scores for blacks without getting fired (that's how you get those graphs and charts to put on your meme infographics). What they usually don't do is make claims without evidence for it and then make even broader claims despite evidence showing those claims aren't accurate.

Honestly had he just shit talked individual countries like Congo or South Africa (obviously we are talking about the black population) he would have just gotten some slap on the wrist. But he made the mistake of including the entire continent inadvertently including Nigeria, Egypt and even Ethiopia to a certain extent who run counter to his economic claims.

>>10277345
If no one can disprove it in its entirety than its simply a possibility
Otherwise most cutting edge science would be thrown away
And for what?

>>10277441
Outliers don't represent the majority you utter moron

>>10277542
but they do represent progress in science unless you think the average joe makes contributions to it
>tfw ostracize entire race because racist even though outliers exist

>>10277462
>health is a social construct just like race or gender

>>10277546
Outliers doesn't make the mass importation of low IQ races morally acceptable or logical (this is the main reason why people truly oppose IQ science, because it does in fact make "racism" and judging groups morally and rationally acceptable. They don't care that IQ science is not gonna automatically make people want to enslave blacks or engage in cruel torture, but they do care that it will destroy their narrative and change racial relationships). People already treat people as individuals, but nations should not treat races as both individuals and as a group. Its barbaric. Chose one.

This is also the same reason why leftists fear GATTACA. Because it'll be like accepting that there are racial group differences x10.

>>10277551
yes, that's exactly what I was implying!
not at all that none of them are actually realistically measurable. Of course i'm healthier than a dying person, but who's healthier, me or you? Even if you knew everything about both our bodies you still couldn't know for sure.

>>10277546
who's talking about science?
it's average against average, simple as that.

>>10277542

Not him, but while this is true from the example of China and India (India is more relevant here) where their 1% outliers eclipse entire small countries because of the native populations exceeding 1 billion it does show a low IQ average isn't necessarily a hurdle that can't be crossed.

Hell there's still debate on if China's IQ average is even as high as it is because the sheer number of people here and government being selective with which province is tested makes it hard to estimate accurately.

He was kicked to the curb for being racist (and more) what don't you understand?

>>10277561

>This is also the same reason why leftists fear GATTACA. Because it'll be like accepting that there are racial group differences x10

How? If all races can into eugenics then going full GATTACA would make them equal. Isn't that literally the argument pro eugenists who favor GATTACA would make? Genetics only show that genes for intelligence exist in different statistical frequencies in each population not that they are completely absent.

>science now depends on "feelings".

>>10277341
>racism
>>>/b/

>>10277345
>>10277345
>admitting that it's just an assumption
If populations that were separated for 70+ thousand years in wildly different conditions and bred with entirely different species of protohominds all turn out to actually have uniform cognitive abilities, I'll eat my own ass.

>>10277701
It's not separated by racial boundaries. Racial boundaries are a social construct.

>>10277341
>>Lose job and all income
He was probably retired sitting on a mountain of cash. And yeah i give up, whites are superior beings but I've had a chip on my shoulder about that since I was old enough to take soooooo fuck you Watson and whoever else. You know who you are.

minnesota adoption study proves the blacks are quite stupid

>>10277441
>In fact I'm pretty sure there are blacks smarter than himself.

Totally missing the point, which is that he pointed out that on average, blacks score lower on IQ tests than other races (which is fact) and that this is the result of biological differences between races (which is the disputed part).

Also, his whole point was that there are natural differences in racial IQ and that we should study these further in order to better understand them, a far cry from "stating his hatred."

>>10277708
Race is the term we use to identify groups that were geographically separated long enough to develop visually obvious differences. Do you need a guy in a lab coat to come up with an 'official' word for the same thing before you can acknowledge it?

>>10277738
Do you need a guy in a lab coat to come up with an 'official' word for the same thing before you can acknowledge it? Its called a halo-groups! Race is make up by old colonial racist to justified the transatlantic slave trade.
t. A black guy smarter that is then you!

>>10277341
>is there any scientific data out there showing that races are equal intellectually?

Name ONE large African nation run by black Africans that any SANE human would choose to live in.
Proof is in the reality of the world!

>>10277535
Isn't the argument about how individual IQ affects a person's economic performance and how that has consequences for a nations economy?
Why would you pick national GDP as the metric for such a thing?
China's GDP is close to the US, so does that mean that the average Chinese person is performing on par to your average American?
What you are doing seems akin to seeing a mechanical setup with 4 engines producing x output, then comparing it to a setup with 2 engines producing x output and concluding, since both setups are producing the same output, the engines are all equal.
This is obviously false. The metric you should be using is GDP per capita.

USA: 59,531.66 USD
Japan: 38,428.10 USD
Greek: 18,613.42 USD
Chinese: 8,826.99
Nigerian GDP per capita: 1,968.56 USD
North Korea: 1,800.00 USD

So, Nigeria out-competes the most economically self-handicapped people on the planet. Hardly convincing.

>>10277749
If "haplogrpups" that were separated for 70+ thousand years in wildly different conditions and bred with entirely different species of protohominds all turn out to actually have uniform cognitive abilities, I'll eat my own ass.

Also I noticed you need no sources when making crazy claims about the origin of "race". Very consistent. Very science.

>>10277341
reminder that shitting black people is a white supremacist thing

>>10277807
Not really. Every race shits on black people without exception.

>>10277817
Not everyone's serious though

>>10277823
Serious enough where, in the US, they avoid their neighborhoods, don't hire them and don't rent to them if they can help it.
Also, go read about how the Chinese in Africa have been treating them.

>>10277793
your very stupid /pol/, get that GED and maybe then we can talk about.

>>10277829
yeah sounds like racism to me

>>10277807
Whites are the nicest people towards black people. Asians and Indians are racist animals

>>10277834
High quality argument

>>10277834
>your

>>10277535
Nigeria has far more people. Japan still shits on them because they adopted capitalism faster than Korea. All that matters is per capitalism wealth you tard.

>>10277535
>Fucking
>Nigeria

Yes please take a trip to Nigeria and tell us about how great it is, if you manage to survive that is.

>>10277341
i don't have any sympathy for the guy in the op because he probably has more money than i'll see in my lifetime but i might agree with his belief, which isn't his original idea by the way and barely has anything to do with him also

>>10277762

>Isn't the argument about how individual IQ affects a person's economic performance and how that has consequences for a nations economy?

Partially, the argument is about IQ average of the population and how that translates to the level of economic success of a nation. Watson didn't go into the details concerning individuals most likely because he at least knew that's not a good way to equate it a nation's success. But so isn't the population's IQ average either.

>Why would you pick national GDP as the metric for such a thing?

Because IQ averages does not concretely dictate the economic output of a nation. If this was true Nigeria as a nation wouldn't be doing good nor would India either. There is more to a nation's success than just IQ. There is also natural resources, the type trading partners you have, the type of economic philosophy you utilized, how your various labor forces is distributed, how well your country is educated, how you go about it and if it's distributed equally among the sex's, the level of corruption that exist and how it takes money, the kind of military you have and how you use/invest in it, how you go about your infrastructure and if you favor certain sectors, the types of imports/exports you focus on, the amount of debt you have, the investment foreign nations place in you and other subject matter.

>China's GDP is close to the US, so does that mean that the average Chinese person is performing on par to your average American

Yes actually, in some provinces in China they actually do, better in fact. In other provinces they do worst, some very worst. Same thing happens in the U.S. though each state is their own ecosystem. The state of living both economically and life quality wise are different between states like Arkansas and Mississippi to others like New Jersey and New York. The U.S. over has better living/ performance conditions overall because of civil and employment laws.

Continuation of >>10278042

>>10277762

>What you are doing seems akin to seeing a mechanical setup with 4 engines producing x output, then comparing it to a setup with 2 engines producing x output and concluding, since both setups are producing the same output, the engines are all equal.

No, what I'm stating is that the net result of output given by x and y are not indictive of balanced quality on "y" part via the two engines. In the perspective of economics, "y" could easily be giving more efficient performance because engine "a" is providing 65% of the total output, while engine "b" is providing only 35% of the total output. Meanwhile "x" performance is distributed with "a" and b providing 40% output each while "c" and "d" providing 10% each. Obviously y possesses the best engine of the two sets but it's second engine performs worst than two of x's engines. This difference actually reflects how various countries economies work with China and U.S. featuring larger wealth gaps than other countries because they host the richest individuals/companies.

>This is obviously false. The metric you should be using is GDP per capita

Actually according to your logic I should be using the human development index. GDP per capita does not highlight the on ground quality of life. Obviously China and Nigeria are worse than U.S. and Japan. But that in part is because of differences in laws not IQ. If you try to state the IQ can influence the type of laws you set then you would encounter an issue between China and Japan

>>10277417
What the fuck kind of shitty argument is that?

>>10277341

If races are equal, then people are equal. They are all the same size and weight, and look equal in all characteristics.

Sadly this is not true. Genetic differences have cascading effects.

>>10277341
Stefan Molyneux argues race realism everyday on twitter

>>10277535
>Nigeria has a higher economic output than Greece and North Korea

Due to larger population. OMG the tard factor here is unbelievable.

The effect of IQ on national productivity is not a function of the average IQ but of the fraction of the people with IQ over about 110.

This is because below 110 you are a drain on society. 110 means you can perform a responsible job, like office manager or trained nurse, or skilled trades foreman.

blacks are failures from a city neighborhood level to a continental scale.

I'm sure they're just like us and once western oppression is kicked out of every nook and cranny they'll be building skyscrapers and space stations like they were meant to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h_cqTCT5g0&t=183s

My science teacher in High school told us about that and then he said that niggers are less smart statistically and that was a shame that mr Watson lost his job for considerations based on datas.

He also used to tell us that LSD helped science and that everyone should try it

Racists deserve a lot more.

Even if there is some truth to his claims (there isn't) it doesn't matter because all it does is bring harm.

>>10278646
>Even if there is some truth to his claims (there isn't)
How do you explain the black-white SAT-score gap (which persists when controlling for socioeconomic factors), if not with the effects of the proven heritability of intelligence?

>>10277341
Didn't he consider the possibility that our attempts to help Africa aren't working because we were operating under the assumption that Africans were as intelligent as us?
https://youtu.be/1a-QpyF7rNc?t=4378

>>10278857
Go to 1:13:00

>>10277749
>A black guy smarter that is then you!

by statistical average? definitely not. Some races are just factually more successful than the otheras a whole

but I like to think that high IQ + enlightened souls will make it regardless of the vessels they're given, and race doesn't matter as long as the individual is competent

>>10278467

>Due to larger population. OMG the tard factor here is unbelievable.

You literally missed the point you fucking idiot. The fact that something other than IQ can make a difference in economic success is the why stance on IQ average of a nation being fundamental to success is wrong. If IQ was fundamental then why did Greece allow itself to fall into bankruptcy? Why did North Korea allow itself to get starved by the U.S. and the west? If population was the reason then why is the U.S. ""still"" able to outperform China who also has a supposedly higher IQ average?

>The effect of IQ on national productivity is not a function of the average IQ but of the fraction of the people with IQ over about 110

Source? Because I've seen no research paper making that claim. Also that doesn't even make sense, by your logic China and India shouldn't be economically productive then. Did you forget India IQ average isn't even above 90 while China IQ is only 105-108? Do you not see why the IQ claim isn't faulty?

>This is because below 110 you are a drain on society.

No you aren't, what do you think the point of general labor and consumerism is? Both allows the majority of the population to build the infrastructure of a nation, fuels the growth of businesses/ corporations and increases the demand for commercial variants of engineered products that other wise would not be in our hands. The reason you even have the ability to type that statement on this site is because businesses saw the possible demand for the internet via the below 110 IQ masses which is the majority. If you actually put a second of thought in that statement you would realize that no ethnic population on this planet (except maybe Ashkenazi Jews) has a IQ average at or above 110. Which means half of the population for every nation is a drain to society in your eyes despite the fact they clearly aren't since capitalism is able to prove you wrong.

>>10277341
Yeah, lets feel sympathy for the privileged white guy who just wants to be able to dehumanize an entire group of people. I mean, gosh, doesn't anybody care about the right of white men to make blacks feel bad about themselves?

>>10277345
Pretty much every single iq study and twin study ever done shows a black-white iq gap, there are a few outliers but they’re basically noise compared to the consistent 7-15 pt gap between the races even when environment is controlled for.
>>10277449
>noble lie that grounds market oriented capitalism
>everyone has a relatively fair chance to succeed assuming no raycism
>not important that its absolute nonsense
>>10277535
Nigeria has many times as many people as Greece and North Korea is a starving police state that selects for obedience, GDP isn’t the sole indicator of the quality of a people. Comparable white countries like france, germany, russia far outpace Nigeria’s gdp as well. Japan has an average iq of 106 which is 2/3 SD higher than Greece and 1/3 SD higher than North Korea and most of Nigeria’s output is food and oil, which any nation even half capable of taking advantage of is going to turn into an economic advantage. Venezuela is incapable of it because of extremely complex political dysfunction.

>>10277341
Its not about the science, its the social implications. We cant just outright say “blacks are genetically predisposed to lower intelligence” because that sets up a hierarchy that enables things like slavery, which is objectively wrong. Most people on the “all races are equal” side of the argument realize that this statement is factually inaccurate, but the issue is when Cletus in some backwoods holler in Tennessee gets a hold of this information. Stupidity is not exclusively a black thing, but on average it is. The lower IQ whites cannot handle this information without causing problems, so the wool must be pulled over the collective eyes of society under the guise of science. Because science cannot be disputed. Sad, but true.

>>10278768
Niggers are dumb

>>10278042
The South has a demonstrable iq gap with the North partially because of nonwhite admixture. Nigeria has a significantly lower GDP per capita and life expectancy than Greece, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re also misrepresenting Watson, he has said explicitly that Blacks are less intelligent than Whites which you’re obfuscating to pretend to understand economics and attack another purported effect of iq. Laws come from sociobiology which comes from biophysical/physiological differences. The best governed (and there’s no reason to accept this premise of yours) regions in any developed nation have the best quality stock and were managed and founded by the elites of that country who have the purest breeding and best hom environments (best genetic nurture).
>>10278054
Nigeria has woefully low HDI and GDP per capita for its size, compare to literally any other large nation of its geographic size and population density and its far outpaced. Extremely brainlet example and makes you look pathetic, you also admitted they have a low iq, which they do, Lynn estimates (after adjusting to criticism of his studies) its between 75-85.

>>10278960
>why did Greece go into bankruptcy
because of predatory loans and because their average iq is like 92-95 which aren’t very high and their creditors are much more intelligent and powerful than them retard. They also rebounded quite well and are still outperforming pretty much all Latin American and African nations, their relative depression isn’t a boon for the argument that blacks are just “catching up”
>why is North Korea, an extreme statistical outlier globally, economically backwards
because they overinvested in their military which is far superior to most other nations of their size and population density and chose to select for obedience and aggression instead of intelligence and succeeded in building a well immured police state the likes of which no African nation could possibly maintain. there are basically no third world authoritarian regimes as effective at maintaining power and crushing dissent as North Korea.

India has massive population size and thus huge populations of highly intelligent minorities that rival smaller nation in size. They’re also strongly lagging behind many other developed nations like Germany and US in gdp per capita despite their growth and most of their growth is in manufacturing and food exports, not in technological innovation or cultural products.

Usually a small minority of a population does most of the labor and another small minority generates most of the wealth, the rest are literally wards used as collateral against debt and soon-to-be selected out of the population. Ants operate under similar principles, many of them do little or no work for the colony and there are mechanisms in place to keep their numbers quite low. You can’t have over a certain proportion of a population below a certain iq threshold and maintain an advanced economy.

What you fail to pay attention to is the sheer consistency of the correlation between gdp per capita, hdi and iq with very rare outliers like UAE, Qat, NK

>>10278983
We dont want to enslave blacks, we just want them out of our countries forever.

>>10279048
>our countries
Let me guess. That includes the US, Canada, and Australia?

>>10277345
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

It’ll be irrelevant in a few years when basic Eugenics like Embryo Selection coupled with techniques to increase the numbers of implantable eggs and AI selection makes it possible for even in blacks in western countries to have average IQs in the Ashkenazim Jewish range. Richer nations like Australia and Northern Europe will inoculate their low IQ population of minorities by funding Eugenics by embryo selection to increase the quality of the stock of the citizenry, before problems arises.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24032041-900-exclusive-a-new-test-can-predict-ivf-embryos-risk-of-having-a-low-iq/


In the longterm, the IQ and development gap between developing Northern states and the impoverished South will get wider but racial differences innintelligemces between populations within western countries will get smaller.

>>10279084
What black embryos are likely to have a significantly higher iq than others? do you realize what you’re even saying?

>>10279077
The study basically says:
>This study shows that the race of parents alone doesn't account for the environmental factors that affect IQ

It helps to actually read it.

But I think you might have an agenda you're trying to push.

>>10279090
The existence of prosperous Educated African migrants like the Igbo/Nigerian community in Britain does suggest African IQ can be a little more variable than poltards would hope.

>>10279103
That doesn't even matter, because every population works on a bell curve. You can artificially select the highest IQ embryos from the dumbest of populations and get the same results.

>>10279099
that’s not what the study says that’s what incensed psychologists who disputed it believe, but there are others who disagree with their qualms. You read the wikipedia page not the study
>>10279103
The Igbo are an outlier population, most Africans are not Igbo descended, and their IQ has likely always been much higher than other ethnic groups just as the Ashkenazi and Parsee are far superior to their racial cousins.

>>10279002

>because of predatory loans and because their average iq is like 92-95 which aren’t very high and their creditors are much more intelligent and powerful than them retard

Think about what you just said anon. You are implying that the government of Greece who are supposed to be made up of upper intelligence of that population allowed their own country to fall into bankruptcy from predatory loans by debatably other individuals of Greece and foreigners. You are also implying that the EU and their leaders allowed Greece to economically handicap themselves and inconvenience their own economies by those loan sharks within Greece and foreign countries (including their own).

>because they overinvested in their military

You also knows who over invest in their military? The U.S. but despite having a lower IQ average they did not turn themselves into hermits that shot their own foot economically.

>there are basically no third world authoritarian regimes as effective at maintaining power and crushing dissent as North Korea.

Iran begs to differ as it does a better job without fucking themselves over completely economically.

>India has massive population size and thus huge populations of highly intelligent minorities that rival smaller nation in size.

So does Nigeria anon. As their population increases their pool of outliers increase too. Following the same path as India.

>Usually a small minority of a population does most of the labor and another small minority generates most of the wealth,

Partially correct, a small minority does generate most of the wealth. But the labor is performed by the majority. Maybe you are confusing that labor with military.

>You can’t have over a certain proportion of a population below a certain iq threshold and maintain an advanced economy.

China does, with a population over a billion and IQ average of 105-108 you at least have roughly 400 million people below the average of 100 IQ.

>>10279109
>that’s not what the study says
Yes it is.
>You read the wikipedia page not the study
No. I read the study.

Even without reading anything, let's use our brains for a second. People see the race of adopted parents and automatically assume black parents = bad household and white parents = good household. This premise makes no sense for adoptive parents, and is pointed out in the study.

Also, the age of the adopted kids is up to 7 years old. Most experts agree that the prime developmental stages occur in the first 3 years, and even earlier, during gestation. The black birth parents are definitely more likely to live in bad environments, and the gestation and early development are greatly influenced by that. As mentioned in the study of course, because I mean, of course it is.

>>10279107
You can’t seriously think avg IQ/IQ bell curves of ethnic groups are static and never changing? How do you think Jews went from barefoot semites living in the Arabian deserts to European merchantile banking royalty and the subject of millions of conspiracy theories pertaining to their success and wealth/power, whilst their Arab cousins are stuck in the Stone Age and continue to have a 30 point IQ dificit? The Jewish diaspora experienced radical selective pressures for nearly 2000 years or less than 400 generations . With advancements in genetics and AI, Embryo Selection can cut that process within a generation. Poltards must feel shattered that Tyron 2.0 will be better than them in every way.

>>10279109


Igbo exceptionalism is a recent phenomena and probably rooted in the fact that the Igbo community experienced a population collapsed resulting from the slave trade which disproportionately affected their lower IQ populations within their community. Most African Americans are Igbo descended.

>>10279138
Yeah, I was agreeing with you. You don't even have to target high IQ sub-populations like the Igbo. You can take any two parents and select the sperm/egg combo that rolls a natural 20.

>>10279127
Greece has an avg iq od 92, Germany of 102-103, that’s a 2/3 SD iq gap.
>high iq individuals in positions of power endangered their social institutions by making stupid decisions on behalf of whole nations
yes, there’s nothing incongruent with this being true and iq predicting economic prosperity. you don’t understand systems thinking, nonlinearity or stochastics.

The US underperforms economically (per capita) compared to other smaller nations because of its over investment in military development and huge non-white population. If you removed our obligations to NATO and MENA, and then liquidated all non-whites iq would soar to 103-105 on par with Singapore and we would have a top 3 gdp per capita most likely.

Iran has a significantly lower iq than North Korea which is ~100 whereas Iran’s iq is around 85 and is a country facing food shortages and constant social upheavals, they’ve had significantly more trouble containing dissent than NK where the only upwellings of discontent are among elites.

>so does Nigeria
that’s not helpful to you and the gap between Nigeria and India both in population and avg iq and tail end high iq density is still significant, im not seeing what you even mean to argue here.

No, i mean the proportion of labor you can afford to be retarded is correlated with their iq. If most of them are 70 iq blacks its going to fail, if they’re 90 iq europeans then you can manage a large number of useless people including all of the welfare queens and disabled people that come with that distribution.

I said proportion not total number for the last notion, the previous is relating sampling for higher iq people. China has more high iq people than any other nation by orders of magnitude and they by far make up for the sheer volume of brainlets. China’s left tail brainlets are also higher iq than Nigeria’s left tail brainlets

i hope your economics degree was worth not understanding statistics

>>10279133
Nonit makes perfect sense because blacks are a low iq violent and uncreative population. Black women have worse physiology, and worse genetic nurture for their young than white women; and one of the critiques of the study is predicated on Koreans and Whites being tested at 3 years old for developmental benefits of adoption.

It is extremely conclusive as are many other twin studies, blacks are simply inferior intellectually.
>>10279138
Jews also exist in a population bottleneck, you’re going to have to essentially liquidate most black lineages to attain the desired effect.
>>10279152
yeah the chances that an 85 iq mother produces a 130 iq child are much worse than 1/20 but im sure its both high utility and not at all an indictment of black biology that its that difficult and expensive to game embryo selection, i mean you’re literally killing off most possible offspring for the sake of trying to strain out something like an intelligent person. seems retarded would make more sense to mass proliferate high iq white IVF children and just sterilize and euthanize black populations, the iq gains for society would be much higher; also if you think you can game a 2 SD increase from embryo selection imagine the new iq gap for smart white families

>>10279138
>The Jewish diaspora experienced radical selective pressures for nearly 2000 years or less than 400 generations .
Exactly - the intelligent paired off with each other.
>With advancements in genetics and AI, Embryo Selection can cut that process within a generation.
Embryo selection doesn´t help parents whose "optimal" embryos have the potential to attain (at best) mediocre intelligence.

>>10279163
Goddam this whole post is 100% retarded. What's your IQ buddy?

>>10277438
>would you can measure me?

I just did, and you're retarded. Or just regular Black.

>>10279180


https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection

>>10279188
I'm pretty sure his IQ is actually quite high, as he's a 100% correct. You nigger.

>>10279188
whicg part is wrong, brainlet

>>10279210
Literally all of it. It's going to take all day to tell you just how retarded it all is. Not worth my time.

>>10279216
retarded faggot

We are all human

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=oWqKG0Saa_w

>>10277341
The mean values of IQ as other traits likely very between different populations, however you can not say anything about one individual based on race/skin color. Even the concept of race in humans is not very clearly defined.

>>10277341
Literally who cares whether he is right or wrong?
Tell me, seriously, tell me what would even change if GOD himself came down to the Earth and told everyone that black people are genetically predisposed to be dumber?

Do we have different laws for dumb people?
Do we give/deny people things based on IQ tests outside of the pathetic organization that is Mensa?
What would it change? Why? WHO CARES?

lol
When Blacks Won’t Follow the Rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLy-uY7hDQ

>>10279565
Go live in a 75% black community. WHO CARES???

>>10279587
Explain to me how it would be better to live in a 75% black community if it was widely believed and supported that blacks are dumber.

>>10279568
Currently living in the Bay Area for work. This place would be great if not for all the homeless and blacks and hispanics and the problems they cause. Cali did it to itself. There are some nicer parts of the state but I fear they will also get overtaken by California's self-transformation to a third world. Where to relocate...

>>10277414
>in phychology
meme field

>>10279565
>Do we have different laws for dumb people?
We definitely should, starting with the right to vote.

>>10279594
We would stop blaming whites for how bad blacks do
We would stop quotas
We would stop spending a trillion dollars a year on failed education projects
We would stop allowing mass immigration
We would work on fixing the issue with genetics

>>10277447
You do realize the elite existed and ruled over the masses before the concepts of capitalism and egalitarianism existed, right? Like this isn't even science necessarily, it's history.

>>10277341
science has nothing to say about intellect or intelligence. not saying he should lose his job for stating his view tho

>>10279938
>We would stop blaming whites for how bad blacks do
Lol, are your fee fees hurt?
>We would stop quotas
Don't exist.
>We would stop spending a trillion dollars a year on failed education projects
Like what? Schools in poor neighborhoods get less funding, not more.
>We would stop allowing mass immigration
We don't, and immigration has a selection bias for the better individuals anyway. This is undeniable.
>We would work on fixing the issue with genetics
We are. CRISPR will get there eventually. We are still a ways off.

>>10279945
Yeah, back then they still had some form of "merit" through divine right, mandate of heaven, royal blood, state testing for political positions etc. What are you getting at?

>>10277761
>facts over feelings!!!
>yeah but my feelings mean that black people are dum dums

Eugenics makes all races equal.
Make blacks select for intelligence for 3 generations and kill the dumb ones.
Suddenly you've got a high IQ black race.
You guys have to remember we're all living organisms constantly changing.
Twins that grow up don't even end up with the same methylations on their DNA.
But this discussion is for higher IQ people than what I'd find in this thread

>everyone on /sci is 140 IQ
>Nobody can debate like a human being
This is the power of high IQ?

>>10277341
So dude called Watson was so destroyed that they named supercomputer after it, which is quite good supercomputer.

>>10279995
>Make blacks select for intelligence for 3 generations and kill the dumb ones.
Or you could just kill all of them and problem solved forever.
>>10280003
I'm only 135

>>10280028
Are you saying the average white man contributes to science.
It was the oultiers who did that all along.
Killing black outliers would be a loss to humanity

>>10280028
That means you are killing smart ones too. Why not just kill all dumb people regardless of race?

>>10280042
Based and redpilled

>>10280042
The question you just sent at them just melted their brains. They will not be able to reply properly.
Destiny used this question to destroy a white supremacist in a debate once too. Pretty funny.

>>10279985
>Divine right
>Mandate of Heaven
>Royal blood
None of these things are merit-based, they're birth based. State testing wasn't as common or well organized as it is presently. My point is that there doesn't have to be a meritocratic system for the upper classes to exert their power over the lower classes, and that saying the elite are trying to cover up race realism to maintain a system they don't need is really stupid.

>>10280099
They invented race realism to keep their power so nobody can notice them for being rich.

>>10280042
Being dumb is not a justifiable reason to be killed. Society needs people of different abilities to function, and not everyone needs to be smart. But please, philosopher king, reign down your righteous judgement.

>>10280107
>race realism was invented by the rich so no one noticed they were rich but they hid it so they could justify maintaining a meritocracy they don't need

>>10280108
Being dumb is not a valid reason to be killed but being black is?
Those are some very fucked ethics.

You want to kill all blacks because they're dumb but you don't want to kill all dumb people. You see? The logic doesn't follow.
If you had an IQ higher 110 you'd be able able to see the contradiction in your argument. Since this is an ethical argument not a scientific one.

>>10280127
No? Neither of those are justifications for being killed. I don't want to do any of the things you're saying I do fren. As it would happen, more people than you and the person who you're talking to are posting in this thread.

>>10278983
Hierarchy is the only method that tends to the lesser. Right now you have the varsity team up against the division 1 team , conitively speaking, competing against each other. Only acknowledgement of group differences first can a true discussion of allocation can occur.

>>10280099
It's not about race realism it's about biological determinism in general. What happens when the mask slips and the guy on the street realizes meritocracy as sold by the current system doesn't really exist and that it is all more or less genetically determined? The whole system comes crashing down, especially because the elite can no longer justify their existence via divine right.

Biological determinism is a threat to whole damn house of cards.

>>10279938
>We would stop blaming whites for how bad blacks do
That's assuming everyone accepts that them being predisposed for lower iq explains everything. Not to mention that there's no reason people couldn't stop the blame game without genetics.

>We would stop blaming whites for how bad blacks do
Same. Blacks not being dumber should actually be a factor against quotas. And you'd still have diversity people.

>We would stop spending a trillion dollars a year on failed education projects
That has nothing to do with iq and everything to do with the system. Also, is going on for all races.
Besides, blacks had better results before:
>Back in 1899, in Washington, D. C., there were four academic public high schools-- one black and three white.1 In standardized tests given that year, students in the black high school averaged higher test scores than students in two of the three white high schools.2 This was not a fluke. It so happens that I have followed 85 years of the history of this black high school-- from 1870 to 1955 --and found it repeatedly equalling or exceeding national norms on standardized tests.3 In the 1890s, it was called The M Street School and after 1916 it was renamed Dunbar High School but its academic performances on standardized tests remained good on into the mid-1950s.
^from: http://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html
Interesting read, I can only recommend. Explains the whole thing. Sadly, nobody cares.

>We would stop allowing mass immigration
Most immigrants aren't black.

>We would work on fixing the issue with genetics
Way bigger ethical, race-independent hurdles.

>>10280009
the supercomputer is not named after this guy.

>>10278981
I really hope you aren't white. If you are then that's sad.

>>10282223
Your right to call for the genocide of other people?
That's called free speech.
But when a muslim does it, it's terrorism.

>>10282253
But when a jew does it, it's white genocide.

>>10282275
Yeah.
Look at that hypocrisy.
Only whites are allowed to carry out genocides...

>>10277341
REMINDER: "SCIENTISTS" LITERALLY REFUSE TO TELL THE TRUTH, BECAUSE LOW-TIER N***** GET UPSET ABOUT IT.

THINK GENERATIONS INTO THE FUTURE.... A PLANET FULL OF N****** JUST RAPING ITSELF INTO THE DIRT, TO BE FORGOTTEN.

COULD HAVE CHOSEN EUGENICS. INSTEAD YOU CHOSE TYRONE AND LAQUAYSHIA.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840 'Do pigmentation and the melanocortin system modulate aggression and sexuality in humans as they do in other animals?'
>Studies find that darker pigmented people avg. higher levels of aggression and sexual activity and lower IQ.

Human intelligence up to 75% inheritable
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html

Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305

Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

The avg. African IQ is estimated at 79.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741

The avg. African-American IQ is 85 compared to the avg. White IQ of 100. IQ tests are not racially biased. IQ hereditability is 40-80%.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636

Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809

The Black-White IQ gap is mostly genetic.
http://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOPSYJ/TOPSYJ-3-9.pdf

IQ is 75% heritable among whites.
https://files.osf.io/v1/resources/8a8jk/providers/osfstorage/58af3d929ad5a10200a40c05?action=download&version=1&direct

IQ is about 80% heritable.
https://archive.is/FTRTu

France's IQ drops 4 points per decade because of African immigration
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000852
>Mongoloids are the most K evolved, Caucasoids less, and Negroids the least.

>>10277630
cannot accept scientific truth.
>>>/reddit/

>>10282351
Too long didn't read.
Keep it short you nerd or nobody will ever listen.
And all your (((facts))) are racist. Those are racist sources. Racist scientists. Racist studies.
I didn't click a single link.
If you cared about low IQ people, then you'd post about them instead of using "white" and "black" as a crutch. It seems you actually care about blacks, not actually low IQ.

>>10282486
Imagine my shock

Anyone who says truth and understanding of the world has no value unless it can be used to make people happier should be banned from /sci/ (and then shot).

>>10277341
No he just said some stuff with no proof and expected people to believe him just because of his rep.

>>10281052
Thomsa Swell is was spouting compelte bullshit. Dunbar High School was good ONLY because of it's location in Washington DC . Solely becuase of DC's special status allowed a Black predominate school not being assfucked by school board politics, racial laws and racial pay disparities among teachers.

>>10282970
It only declined because after the 50's Black students had a CHOICE! No since they weren't segregated Black students had way more choice in what schools they could go to.

>>10277341
alright I think I'm over it
do your worst /pol/

Yeah, you have to realize that IQlets and political zealots have a hard time coming to terms with this information.
>inb4 "race doesn't matter but anyways CRISPR is gonna do the work for us! :DD"
Great. So this is an admission that genetics play a role. So instead of saying that the solution will come in full-force SOME TIME on SOME DAY, we could just descriminate on the basis of race and do just as well.

Further, the whole race and IQ thing is a red herring, anyway. I just don't want to live with brown people. I'd prefer to live among whites. It's just an added bonus that our societies are better to live in, more intelligent on average, less violent, etc, etc.

>>10282351
>>10282351
>Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households

Forgive me, perhaps my genetically disadvantaged IQ is giving me some type of darkielexia, but just going off the abstract for the study YOU LINKED...

>The poor performance of Black children on IQ tests and in school has been hypothesized to arise from (a) genetic racial differences or (b) cultural/environmental disadvantages. To separate genetic factors from rearing conditions, 130 Black and interracial children adopted by advantaged White families were studied. The socially classified Black adoptees, whose natural parents were educationally average, scored above the IQ and the school achievement mean of the White population. Biological children of the adoptive parents scored even higher. Genetic and environmental determinants of differences among the Black and interracial adoptees were largely confounded. The high IQ scores of the socially classified Black adoptees indicate malleability for IQ under rearing conditions that are relevant to the tests and the schools. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

Am I misreading this or are you doing copypasta without looking into the study yourself. Again, haven't read the actual study but I am under the assumption that the Abstract is an accurate representation of its content.

Explain.

>>10277761
Botswana

I've met some lovely people that were "dumb".

>>10277414
I hope for your own sake that this b8

>>10277345
Anon, IQ tests given by the military in the US, and IQ equivalent tests (SAT, ACT, etc.) show distinct normal population distributions separated by race, Black, American-Indian, Mestizo, White, and Asian.

Now one can argue that there are other than genetic factors that cause this, and that is reasonable. But it is also reasonable to assume that genetic factors may cause this as well, given that the separation seems to break down along existing observed larger phenotype groupings.

>>10280127
>>10282854
>>10280042
I love how you anti-science anti-racists weasel around the topic to make your nonsense look equivalent to observable facts about reality. It's disgusting and comical. High IQ is only one of the many desirable qualities race-conscious whites are attempting to preserve in their people. While it's true that a eugenics program targeting the stupid would also naturally address its own race's stupidity, there are many roles to be filled by non-geniuses and a civilization where those roles are also filled with admirable white people instead of awful violent Africans is more desirable for obvious reasons. The lower quality of service - even lower quality of simple human interaction - you receive when dealing with nonwhites is intuitively obvious to even the most deluded antiracists. They will experience the same truthful, meaningful sense data repeatedly and simply refuse to recognize the pattern. You grasp desperately for egalitarian explanations - entirely unnecessary for all of human history up to 20th century - which happen to coincide with subjectivist postmodern nonsense twisting perceptions of truth in Academia and creating social stigmas to maintain your dogma because it is so abhorrent to common sense and empiricism that it must be artificially upheld by corruption.

>>10277341
>take a genetic anthro course to fill out my upper division class requirements
>think it'll be about ancestry as an anthropological tool
>the teacher keeps bringing up Watson and reminding us that racism is pseudoscience, while she seems like she's about to start shaking
This is such horseshit.

>>10277341
>Stand up on a pedestal and identify yourself
>Niggers r dumb lol, whites are smart it's just science
>Lose job
>Le Reddit Pikachu face

>>10283127
they didn’t control for adoption effect, the black children after adjustment scored below the mean for white children at 17 years old, the white children scored 10-15 points higher than the blacks, the adopted white children scored higher than the blacks as did black-white half breeds in almost all adoption studies save for one where black white half breeds outscored whites by about 3-5 pts with no adjustment at 17 years old for regression to the mean. These studies were all done when it was acceptable to just say stupid shit like environmental confounding without backing it up at all with biological evidence of the modulation of neurobiological function and gene expression. You aren’t looking at the studies that cite this one or the general body of literature.

>>10283374
>>10283374
>didn't control for adoption effect

Would you mind referring me to which point in the papers it refers to this or at least explain to me what that means? I could not find anything referring to this phenomena upon first glance.

>when it was acceptable to just say stupid shit like environmental confounding without backing it up at all with biological evidence of the modulation of neurobiological function and gene expression

Well I mean I could be wrong, but it seems like the conclusion of this very research paper was something the lines of it can be both, no?

I don't understand why you're choosing to fall back on an all or nothing mentality. But again, if you can clarify your contention with a lack of controlling for adoption effect I can get on with what I am trying to say.

>You aren’t looking at the studies that cite this one or the general body of literature.

You're right I'm not, I'm just looking at evidence you provided to support your overall assertion. I'm not sure what you're getting at there if you're saying I need to 'familiarize myself with the material' in order to understand what this piece is saying. Again, forgive me, I'm black with two black parents so go very slow.

>>10283358
Obese

>>10277441

>>10283358
>Stand up on a pedestal and identify yourself
>Niggers r dumb lol, whites are smart it's just science
I wonder how low one's IQ must be to strawman this hard?

400 years from now when all these stupid racial issues seem quaint and dull to the people of the future, they're going to boggle at the sheer stupidity of our society rejecting evidence and facts to protect ideology.

>>10283778
This.
>HERETIC
>BURN THE WITCH

>>10277341
>is there any scientific data out there showing that races are equal intellectually?
No, and all data that exists is consistent with the negroid<caucasoid<mongoloid cognitive hierarchy.
There is not even a reason we'd expect them to be. Genes relevant to cognition aren't magically protected from changing just because you walked out of Africa.
>>10278983
>objectively wrong
ethicists get out reee
ethnicists only
>>10283749
pic for (you)

>>10283781
>>10283793
results replicated

>>10283778
>400 years
u sure are optimistic about the future

>>10283815
I'm betting on another big world war sometime in the next 100 years, hopefully after I'm dead or too old to care anymore.

>>10283778
AI will have killed all sub 200 IQ humans long before then.

>>10278983
just kys

>>10277345
Anon it's been demonstrated through innumberable studies. Ignorance of this isn't a defence.

>>10277345
>It's our job to prove...
The task is to evaluate the truth. No matter how horrific or beautiful.
One asteroid extinction was not enough.

>Social Constructs
YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING NIGGERS
SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS ARE THE REFLECTION OF ACTUAL PHENOMENA NORMALIZED WITHIN A SOCIALITY
IF YOU'RE SAYING RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT YOU'RE LITERALLY TELLING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING

>>10284233
I agree. They lose we win

>>10283774
>All our social policies are based on the fact that their[Africans] intelligence is the same as ours

How is this reflected in the social policy? I think it is actually the other way around at least in some areas it feels like the policy assumes you have potato level iq.

>>10283326
Too long didn't read.

>>10277350
>Assuming they are all equal without evidence is just as bad as saying they aren’t without evidence.
Wrong, because the latter position is used to justify restriction of civil rights and opportunity. Therefore, the standard of proof must be higher. It's similar to the reason that in criminal courts we assume innocence rather than assume guilt.

>>10279077
>>10283280
You guys are doing a good job white knighting for him but as far as I know, he never actually made a complete argument himself; just some hand-wavy references to "testing". He was invited to defend his claims with specific studies. Did he ever respond?

>>10282970
I'm pretty sure you did not read the linked article, and especially not the parts about the performance of ghetto schools in Harlem and elsewhere. Otherwise, you wouldn't be making such erroneous arguments.

>>10284466
>is given evidence
>responds with a graph devoid of context plus some American woo woo morality

Yeah former racist here.
It's fun being racist and all but in all seriousness we can't let the low IQ retards start a race war.

Low IQ white rednecks can't handle IQ studies without becoming rapid dogs that are foaming at the mouth for genocide and murder.

>>10284842
So you agree with the premise of inherent ethnic disparities in intelligence but think that it should be suppressed because of the political ramifications?

>>10284842
Whites are easily better to coloured than various colored are to eachother. This is why mass immirgation is not curtailed b white racism. The race war has an many fronts as demographies. Singapore makes ethnic pluralism work by acknowledging these varaitions andthere is no other valid multicultural model.

>>10284844
>>10284853
That's why the SJWs exist. To stop this from happening. You guys are effectively terrorists because you want violence.

>>10284859
And I guess all the violence committed by blacks isn't bad at all, do you also let your partner get fucked while you watch and jack off you cuck faggot?

>>10284861
You want to make it worse by creating MORE violence on a larger scale.

>>10284859
The "race war" is underway and its mostly darkies attacking different darkies. They recognize the difference unspoken, so what is unleashed in speech.

>>10284853
>Whites are easily better to coloured than various colored are to eachother.
I wouldn't say that at all.

>>10284859
SJWs are to blame for riling up this debate. Their desire to be little heroes has dug up a lot of baggage that was successfully buried for a short while. The rise of alt-right behaviour has been largely reactionary to 'muh SJWs in muh videogames,' and wild denial of sexual differences which SJWs have protested to institutionalise. If young, rootless white boys were just allowed their outlets, not criticised for who they are, and allowed their equal opportunity (and there's absolutely no good reason not to do those things), they wouldn't instigate violence.

Don't poke a bees' nest if it wasn't causing you any problems to begin with.

>>10284866
Outside of /x/ and /pol/ we call that crime. It's an ordinary thing. It's bad.
But everyone who isn't a violent genocidal murderer like you would say they'd rather have the status quo than war.

>>10284871
>SJWs are to blame for riling up this debate
I agree but like trump I have to say both sides are to blame.

>>10284865
No I will reduce the violence after I instate violence, I would draw you a graph but instead I'll make a comparison to fire control, so when a forest or area has to many dead plants or dried plants, flammable stuff, foresters come in and start their own fire and control where it spreads.
Killing nogs is the same, by increasing the overall violence I will decrease future violence, like how a forester reduces the chance of a fire by making his own.

>>10284874
Yeah and in the end there's no more trees to burn.

>>10284871
Nope, these people already had alt-right sympathies, muh essjewdubyas is just a cover. No normal person becomes alt-right because some shithead doesn't like a videogame or a black kid steals their bike, they already had sympathies and needed an excuse to go further.

>>10284874
t. most likely to kill himself in the next 5 years

>>10284873
I see what you're saying, and I largely agree. But at the same time, I don't blame someone for wanting to end a fight that someone else started. A classical liberal status quo is the peace needed to homogenise the races within the borders of Europe and America, and if SJWs want to end that status quo and start racial conflict, someone's going to have to win and someone's going to have to lose.

>>10284879
That's a simplification of how society shifts. If everyone shifts a little further right in response to what they perceive as an attack on their identity, then you will see broad effects. I'm not claiming that a bunch of liberals suddenly became national socialists, I mean to describe something much more gradual which creates the same overall effect.

>>10284878
No you stupid fuck, trees grow MUCH MICH better in this environment and some pine trees need fire to reproduce, blacks are dangerous, and much more likely to kill whites or rape whites than vise versa, they want you dead, you're kids mutilated, and you're wife raped.
What ever if you want that, but I'm either getting away from this anti white shit or I'm gonna join some nazi group.

>>10284888
But you want to kill all blacks even the good ones. This means you're burning alot of trees not just the dry wood that's lying around causing forest fires.
In the case of America you'll kill 44% of the population. Most blacks don't commit crimes even though they are overrepresented in crime. They also don't commit organized crime. White Italians do that. Have you ever heard of a black mafia? I haven't. It's always Irish or Italian mafia.
On the worldwide scale you'll kill 6.6 billion people.
The amount of damage you want to cause is basically burning 80% of a forest.
To fight that I will deny the disparities between racial IQs.

>>10284883
Imagine projecting as hard as you are.

>>10284895
I'm an anti-natalist so whatever dude. How did you know?

>>10284894
Theyre called gangs, filled with able bodied black males, of which 1/3 has a record. A subset of the black population and lifecycle is more liable actuairally.

>>10284894
Not true at all, the Italian and Irish mafias arnt even a issue anymore in America, you do know what's a big problem though? Mexican drug cartels, Mexican gangs, and black gangs, white organized crime in the very small sum that exists is all Russian, and no where near as prevalent as minority crimes.
And please you already know the N.A.X.A.L.T that's already been mentioned multiple times, don't bring up the "NOT ALL"

>>10284901
But organized crime can be dismantled by taking down the leader. Why have we never heard of a black mafia boss getting arrested? It's always a low level thug. That's because Italians commit all the high level crime.

>>10284902
Mexicans just sell drugs to whites who want them.
It's free market capitalism. Are you a communist?

>>10284905
This guy is literally living in the 1900-1960's dude, holy shit.

>>10284902
>arnt even a issue anymore in America,
What a coincidence. God forbid the same thing happens when it comes to other people with other colored skins.

>>10284907
Blacks and other minorities are recorded using the most drugs, so once again you're wrong.

>>10284907
Cartels are conduits for glow in the darks in the economic warfare against its citizens
St00p1d lolberg

>>10284910
Except it won't, blacks are tribal to the core, that's why they wear their colors so they can identify who the enemy is, they jump people, and do crime oft committed by stupid people, it won't change this is them.

>>10284912
Wrong. Blacks are punished harder but whites use more drugs

>>10284917
Do you have 200 year old studies to prove it?
It took a hundreds of years for the Irish to stop being poor drug mobsters.
The Italian mob still exists that's why Italy is shit and all their youth run away to other European countries

>>10284909
>/pol doesn't make threads about the mafia so it doesn't exist
Heheheheh

>>10283774
Well, he isn't wrong.

>>10284917
Pretty sure the most gang violence is caused by white supremacist gangs.

>>10284279
Blacks are given the same right to vote, collect welfare, attend white schools, seek representation in the media and corporate world and spoken to by politicians as if they were as rational or capable intellectually as whites. None of those things are warranted as Black iq is ~85 and dips down to 75-80 in the south.

>>10284922
Russian mafia fag, yea it exists but that's because communism is a fucking everything up.
>>10284918
Wheres your numbers because this is a blatant lie, and you should stop.

One time a spider spun a web between my window and the screen. Over the summer, several bugs that tried to leave my house through the open screen ended up in the web of the spider, which cleverly designed with an angle so it was a perfect trap between the screen and the non-sliding upper pane of the window. I thought the spider was so smart to have built its web how it did, but then I moved that summer, and did not open the window again. The spider had eaten so many bugs it greatly increased in size, it started very small, and I do not think it was ever able to get out of the window to mate. Therefore, how smart was the spider really?

No need to discuss anything with /pol.
They're war mongering shills for the weapon industry or losers with an axe to grind.

>>10284931
Since when does being dumb disqualify you from voting?

>>10284931
Because the south is more racist thus lowering black IQ. It would be 100 if the north was more accepting also.

>>10277341
Is he dead yet?

>>10284939
It wouldn’t because black iq isn’t 100 in highly liberal middle class areas either. You can’t boost the iq of a whole population by 15 points in any reasonable period of time. White iq would continue to increase meteorically if that were the case but its stagnating and decreasing in most nw european societies.

>>10284931
Uh are you saying blacks are dumb and dumb people shouldn't vote but dumb whites are allowed to vote?
Why do you hate dumb blacks more than dumb whites?

You're going to appeal to culture to answer this question because you dunno what to say. Watch as no racist ever replies to this post.

They have nothing to discuss.

>>10284942
Whites have reached their intelligence cap.

>>10284943
Because what is dumb in both contexts is different, when a black is dumb it means that it somehow deviates from a already low intellect level.
But when a white is dumb they're about at the average blacks persons intellect.

>>10284949
Uhhhhh
Seriously...
..................
Guys can I get some help here for this guy?

>>10284935
>/pol.
>axe to grind.

>>10284945
There’s really no way of knowing what the cap is for a pheno and how long it would take to raise it, there’s also no reason to assume the cieling for blocks in on par with the white avg or even within <1 SD of it. Since black iq in the wealthiest most integrated areas in america has gone up 5 points in 70 years while being inundated in a civilization with unprecedented safety, wealth and information access its reasonable to expect it to come to a halt as well since the Sudanese and Brazilian flynn effects among non-white elites have already stopped and begun to reverse course. Blacks will likely get hit with dysgenic depression of intelligence even sooner than whites did since they have had an accelerated development from gibs and pity dollars.

Regardless, there is no reason to believe that programs raise iq rather than eugenic breeding patterns and sexual selection

>>10284954
Well no one here has argued that blacks actually have the same IQ as whites and not been disproved, so by that logic then someone with a 85-90 or so average IQ then calling them dumb would mean they're lower than 85 while whites having a average of 95-100 would mean that calling them dumb would be less of a actual problem.

Here i have a suggestion just stare at a bell graph st IQ for like a few minutes, might get through that reinforced steel skull of yours.

>>10284974
Okay then. Only average to smart white people and smart black people are allowed to vote. Happy now?

>>10284961
>hit with dysgenic depression of intelligence

>>10284984
Yea thanks :)

>>10284974
By dumb blacks I meant all blacks below 100. Same for dumb whites. I wasn't using your rhetoric. You dodged my question by resorting to discussing bullshit. More proof that you have no argument.

>>10285011
Well I'm a different guy then the guy you where talking to, but the logic is that if blacks on average have a lower IQ then whites then yes it is a big problem if the dumb ones of the already not very intelligent blacks vote compared to the dumb whites which are about as bad as the average black guy, well to give a voice to the retarded, passes laws that are they themselves retarded.

>>10285020
That strata takes gibs, and people on dole shouldn't be voting for more gibs. Low IQ s that are self supporting why forbid?

>>10285020
Stop discussing bullshit and answer the question.
Why do you think low IQ whites should be allowed to vote but low IQ blacks shouldn't?

>>10285025
Because just because someone has a job doesn't mean they're fit to vote. It doesn't excuse their low IQ. They'll move the country in a bad direction.

>>10285025
Because I'm no commie you fag.

>>10285034
I've already explained it 3 times you ask faggot, dumb blacks are dumber than dumb whites and that's fax, how about you take a class in sentence comprehension and go back to what I said, because you clearly don't understand.

>>10285034
> They'll move the country in a bad direction.
These so-called "smart" whites were the ones that elected Trump.

Say what you want about Obama. At least he got something done. With a minimum of shutdown time.

>>10285020
> if blacks on average have a lower IQ then whites then yes it is a big problem
If whites on average have a lower IQ than Asians, isn't that the same problem?

>>10284859
Actually I'd much rather have peaceful balkanization of America than a race war.

>>10284932
Nigga communism ended 30 years ago.

>>10285333
>nigga
That word is not allowed on my board.

>>10285416
then go to your board

>>10284840
>doesn't even read the text of the post or answer the question

>>10283555

Any rayciss nibbas want to set this groid straight?

>>10285870
I have no inclination to continue engaging with depressing tremulous midding iq nignogs and their patronizing white patrons and champions.

The adoption effect is a perceived boost in iq from not being constantly bombarded with ape culture, which is known in sociobiology and behavioral bio as indirect genetic influence, as in people construct the “social conditions” of their environments. Nigs were overtaken by whites precisely because whites create better environments for themselves and the people they subjugate (see:African living standards pre and post colonization) and precisely because their innate genotypic iq was far in advance of their subjugated colonized vassal populations.

Environmental effects is circular, the cause is continuously transferred to historical (verbal-mythological) narratives decoupled from nature and attributed to happenstance from some dead age in human history which simply can’t be accounted for by anyone and which certainly couldn’t have a long term effect on genetics. The idea is to stop talking and place blame on an actor or to render the whole thing fatalistic and divorced from the organism.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that a 140 iq child raised with an adopted niglet will have the same intelligence as the recently emancipated Bantu. In my entire life every single highly intelligent kid was an anomaly, often far more intelligent than wealthier peers, usually locked in similar education tracks as every mouth breathing 95 iq jock and cheerleader whore until late middle school all the while being more capable and curious than them. Its insulting to anyone who has a vague cognitive advantage at birth to suggest everything they have was given to them and even more insulting to people who are naturally dull to suggest they just didn’t get enough ass wiping, adhd meds and math exercises as a kid or worse are an indolent and slothful ingrate and that’s why they can’t do vector calc at 15 years old

>>10285908
>(see: African living standards pre and post colonization)
pre: not slaves
post: slaves

Wow

>>10280141
You're retarded for interrupting their conversation you absolute zionist shill

>>10285870
explicating a bit more for your sake:

why are blacks so weak? why were they conquered by europeans?

luck (can’t know nuffin), technological transfer from the “east” (displacement), akshually there’s many kinds of intelligence (can’t know nuffin or make hierarchies of anything) (note:they can’t say oppression because no one oppressed central africans in 300 AD)

why are whites so much less violent than blacks even in middle class environments?

inherited trauma, unfair policing, innate racism endemic to whites

all of these of course cannot be genetic; whites can’t be naturally mistrusting of out-group or dangerous groups, which would suggest kin selection and likely behavioral traits selected for that create an environment (of racism; or really simple security and caution); blacks can’t have any long term accumulated conditioning of any kind from living in africa or not being exposed to technology; these same people think modern environments cause the flynn effect, do they think it only takes 150 years to raise iq from 80 to 103? Where is the gain stored, what is it biologically that causes this? epigenome? no evidence of transgenerational inheritance of traits in humans from epigenetic adaptations. do they care?

The reason its so obviously a sham is precisely because there is zero instinct to systematize or check for mechanical causes, and an abhorrence for biology and empiricism. All of it is disgusting to me.

Stormniggers are pathetic brainlets but the POC grievance coalition and the Jewish-Anglo priestly classes who cape for them are actively destroying the quality and integrity of whole nations and peoples and are gleeful in their hatred of thinking clearly and of the most basic acceptance of the implications of evolution

“neurology sensitive ergo no positive selection occurred, the brain is a stripped down barely functioning machine from the paleolithic. no change possible!”

>>10285914
Not asking yourself why they were enslaved but not vice versa. For instance no African civilization was capable of crosding the mediterranean or the Sinai and subjugating any of their neighbors, the 25th dynasty in NK egypt collapsed the moment they confronted warlike foreigners. Its obvious as to why they couldn’t. The original disparity in intelligence and pro-social behavioral traits was insurmountable. You will never see a well organized, highly effective black military force the same way Arabs can’t accomplish this and Abos and countless other groups. Incompetence has severe consequences for a population, we know this from population genetics and behavioral biology, dysfunction retarded animals become food or exterminated fallen types.

There is zero reason to assume that not gaining the early advantage did not have repercussions for black genetics for their entire development and did not positively benefit white genetics for the last 3-5000 years (much longer but you aren’t even interested in anything where states and gibs can’t be held accountable or demanded so we should stick with the historical period).

You have zero interest in the subject, and no intuition for induction or systematic thought. Why is this thing the way it is for so long and why is this similar thing so different?

>>10285914
>implying whypeepo were the first to enslave africans
>implying africans aren't still enslaving each other
Why are white countries the only places where slavery is not still occurring on large scale?
I truly wish we never had slaves. The piss-poor, brainless labor a handful of cunts got out of them 300 years ago in exchange for the affliction that they represent to our nation today. Not worth it.

>>10285928
The only other groups strong enough to enslave the dindu race are Arabs (with the backing of Berbers and Persians organizing their military operations) and Egyptians (who built the fucking pyramids and figured out advanced irrigation techniques and how to predict flooding of the Nile in 3000 bce). Why? Maybe they are more intelligent? All the most advanced structures in africa exist in places where Arabs settled or where Christian missionaries and colonists visited.

Taking blacks into the American heartland was the second gravest mistake that europeans made, the first was annexing California and the SW+Texas.

>>10277345
>spbp
The only racial differences are those between white racists and everyone else who has to deal with them.
>t. Physicist and Anti-Fascist

>>10285908
>>10285926
>>10285928
>>10285936
Y'all are fucking retarded

>>10285942
>I believe in scientist but also I'm anti-science
You do you, I guess, famiglia.

>>10285974
How does it feel to know one unmasked 4chan post would end your career? Do you really like being a racist that much? Seems like a bad use of your time.

>>10285978
It makes me upset that social stigmas have arisen that obstruct objective determination of reality. But that's not my fault. Something something Galileo something.

If we're going by groups, yes. Blacks are lower I.Q. average than most Whites or Asians. However, that's only average, and specifically, Africa if I am correct. There's also the reason of the civilizations. Europe had a far greater upper hand in accomplishments than the native americans, Austronesians, and Africans did. Culturally, Africa is more tribal. In the West, though, for sure blacks have a higher I.Q. on average than Africa. The reason I can point to why Asia is at the top is that they have a strict emphasis on community and education that some find completely alien around the world.

Also, blacks are not at the bottom, indigenous Aussies are, which makes sense because they never established any civilization, which Africa had a few basic ones.

But if someone finds me wrong, then pls send. For the retards calling each other racists and/or NIGGER NORMFAGS, go back to /r9k/ or /b/ where you fucking came. This is a discussion not a shitfest.

>>10285974
But that faggot you are responding to would still send his children, assuming he ever would have any, to a non-black school and would commute out of the city to a White and Asian suburb. People are so fucking full of shit it is painful

>>10285092
Not gonna happen. The blacks in inner cities are not going to peacefully give up their gibs and establish their own failed state in Florida

>>10285978
>Lmao this guy doesn't actually believe in science
>How would it feel to lose everything?
Wow, you really showed him.

>>10285416
>Ignoring the wisdom of trips

>>10286071
did you forget about what OPs post was

>>10286080
Irony is supposed to be funny anon.
I can't laugh at a nobel lauriate being unfairly disgraced for deeply held views late in his life.

>>10285908
Firstly, I hope you would work on your seething inferiority complex (Not in relation to dindus, obviously, but perhaps to academia?) as characterized by your snide reductions and inflated rhetoric.

Maybe your anecdotes about jocks and cheerleaders came from a place a little too close from home?

>>10285908
Now, as for your interpretation of 'adoption effect' as an indictment of the study- it simply doesn't contradict the outcome of the research. To conveniently purport that a perceived boost is merely a superficial byproduct that is not retained nor relevant to positively trending outcomes is dense. The prime focus of this experiment revolves around that very dependence, no?

So I'll ask again, if indirect gene expression was not 'controlled' for, and said research data is critical in the support your argument, what in the fuck was your point in including it when it only weakens the integrity of your position?

>Environmental effects is circular.

Tell me why, then, that the same type of person who will refuse the notion that beneficial social pressures, as reinforced by your listed documents, will induce considerably higher outcomes relative to their own population average will endlessly claim that environmental determinism sharpened 'huwhite' phenotype. Is this not comparable?

>"In other words, the range of reaction of socially
classified black children's IQ scores from average
(black) to advantaged (white) environments is at
least 1 standard deviation. Conservatively, if we
consider only the adopted children with two black
parents (and late and less favorable adoptive experiences), the IQ reaction range is at least 10
points between these environments. If we consider
the early-adopted group, the IQ range may be as
large as 20 points. The level of school achievements among the black and interracial adoptees is
further evidence of their above-average performance on standard intellectual measures."

Why continue to espouse that the human genome is so sacred to time and place when this you gave me study helps to prove otherwise? Seems to me you're being vehemently ostentatious for the sake of being antagonistic.

>>10286568
antagonistic for the sake being ostentatious, rather.

Science has proven we are all equal and when a black is dumb it's because of systemic white suprematic superstructures which are caused by white man inventing slavery in 1492.

If you deny it you're a science denier.

>>10286724
this

it's watson or whoever's job to disprove it not our job to prove what everyone already know.

>>10277345
I think the famous racial scholar Dr. Jared Taylor offered a very simple explanation for racial differences in intelligence.

There was a very simple experiment devised in which subjects are told to memorize a list of words. Then they are told to recite it from top to bottom and then bottom to top. The subjects were Asian, Hispanic, African and White Americans and in both rounds Asians and Whites can out ahead, with Hispanic Americans performing poorly and African Americans performing dreadfully on that last round.

Differents in race is not science. It was disproven in 1945 when we killed the last of racist nazis and their anti-science race ideology.

>>10280099
>>10280107
There is no such thing as "class" or "rich" because it's a spectrum. Show me the least "rich" "rich" guy and I'll show you someone who owns $1 less than him/her/they.

Same as race.

>>10277627
There are 100s of ways to science. google "science must fall" etc to see the various arguments against the colonizer version which obviously you're a follower of (small minded bigoted white male version).

>>10286757
>Same as race.
and gender

>>10277344
This is the answer. Cultural Marxism is the unnamed religion of the day.

>>10277341
No there's no data that shows equal IQ among races. But please, for your own sake, believe that although undeniable differences in physical features between the races exist due to differences in environment, there is a magical shield surrounding the brain that makes it not subject to evolution from those same environmental pressures.

>>10277341
>In all honesty is there any scientific data out there showing that races are equal intellectually? Considering Watson was basically destroyed just by thinking otherwise there has to be some data out there to explain why he was wrong.
The evidence that there is a genetic component to IQ is pretty irrefutable at this point.
I don't, however agree with what they say about the percentage (80% genetic and 20% enviroment).

Also there will obviously be a difference grounded in genetics between the average IQ in different races, since they tend to have different reproduction strategies and one will select for intelligence more than the other. After a few hundred or thousand years, that gets compounded.

>>10287149
The heritability is between 50 and 80, which is different than pure DNA. It includes inherited environments and gene-environment interactions.

>>10287155
>which is different than pure DNA.
I know, but even pure DNA is irrefutable.
For instance, there are certain genes that can be activated by certain proteins located in the body of the neuron, once it moves into the nucleous. Once this this gene is activated it will cause the production of another protein that will make the dendrites spread and connecto to the axons in other neurons.
This is by definition enhancing brain function.
So this is one example of how having a certain gene can make you more likely to have greater intelligence.
But still, i think people undermine the impact of enviroment and they tend to base their statistics on people who live normal lives and have normal habits.
To counter that premise I can point to the advances in the treatment of people who suffered from a stroke.
In the past they would do physiotherapy and would have meager results. Then they realized that they could have a full recovery or nearly full recovery by taking a different approach that was basically making the person re-learn everything, from step one, as if they were a child. This shows how brain function can be develop being the scope of what is considered normal.

>>10283144
>AIDS
>treats San people like wild animals
>African GDP
>disease burden
>close proximity to Zimbabwe and South Africa
nope
>>10286568
the point of the study was to establish if african low iq is genotypic or a plastic phenotype. since they even complain about the prenatal environment and the early rearing years environment and also continuously resort to the environment as the sole confounding factor its extremely important if blacks construct a low iq environment that is responsible for the rest of their low iq. Think about what you’re saying instead of using you 115 iq for sophistry.
>>10286568
The boosts from white environments are almost excludively minor, as in they do not raise the black iq nearly enough to warrant their cost; and for whites take hundreds of years to raise the iq of blacks even 1/3 of an SD which ive explained in this thread already. African americans gained 5-10 points from a 75-80 iq west african average in 300 years and 3-5 points since integration 60 years ago. There is a likely phenotypic cap (due to the genotype not changing significantly) on iq gains which is already being seen among whites and certain elite demos in developing nations like in Khartoum in Sudan and in Rio in Brazil.
>vehemently ostentatious
I didn’t give you the study, learn to discern different posters by their diction and tone. The minnesota adoption study adjusted at 17 shows the all black adoptees with an iq of ~90 which is 5 points above the black average, in line with the current middleclass black hs iq recorded in the last 4 years (5 points gained from a white genetic nurture). The 1 SD gap between the whites and blacks remains. Genetic nurture likey permanently depresses the iq of blacks and creates a dysgenic environment that selects for consistently low iq (african ancestral environment).

>>10277546
>be anon
>see white man who statistically has 2% chance of doing something great for your company
>see black man who statistically has 0.05% chance of doing something great for your company
>"well they both *could* therefore it doesn't matter which one i hire lol"

>>10279989
Did you reply to the wrong post or are you an utter fucking moron who clicked on this board by accident

>>10286568
In summa:

The adoption study shows a 5 point increase in black iq, this is in line with the adjusted white iq of adoptees. there is a large gape between biological offspring and white adoptees (suggesting heritability and actual variance in intelligence alleles between them and other adoptable, low iq, whites). The existence of genetic influence is a counter to the COMPLAINT from reviewers that the study does not show primarily genetic influence in its results but ignores environmental confounding. This is fallacious because organisms like humans, ants, chimps, beavers construct their environments as a function of their behavioral traits, it is not itself some random aleatory event but is extremely determined by already extant traits in the genome.

What cannot be attributed to indirect genetic influence (black mothers having higher cortisol from being low status; black mothers being neglectful and not stimulating their toddlers because low iq; black mothers and fathers pre-abandonment abusing their children because of low iq, feeding their kids soul food instead of greens and omega 3 containing foods etc) or genetics is either random or totally unaccounted for.

Looking at the white environment racism is literally itself a selected for behavioral trait that proliferates because it is high fitness, whites both propagate racially oppressive systems and technological societies and these likely covary and are extremely important to the overal white extended pheno. Even barring the existence of racism, which would need to be proven and the confounding of low iq and creativity among blacks (see asians and jews for overcoming white environments masterfully by being self sufficient and high iq) white environments are fructifying for basically all peoples that participate in them. You see European jewish iq is higher than non-euro jew iq, asian immigrant iq is higher than asian iq etc and this holds for blacks too.

>>10277341
I don't get it. He didn't even say ALL blacks aren't as intelligent as ANY whites. Just that the trend for IQ distribution has a lower median in blacks.

The best I can rationalize is the powers that be shot him down because they didn't want it to be used as a means of blanket-discriminating blacks.

>>10279154
I read the entire argument between you two. The person advocating for the view that economic output was not ties to IQ was an absolute retard. It’s like there was a chip in his brain that literally prevented him from understanding the concept that a percentage and a number are two different things.

>>10286568
Basically whites select for intelligence, whites slightly raise phenotypic iq. Blacks create low iq environments. The gains from being transplanted to white environments are not enough to be on par with white iq but are significant (1/3 SD gained). There is a likely cap on phenotypic iq gains which is known as reverse flynn effect and is seen in sudan a black majority nation, among western educated high status elites and also in places like Norway and Iceland (very wealthy, educated white populations). The gains for black iq among white parents are almost exactly the same as they are for white adoptees but lower than black-white; black adoptees when adjusted for regression to the mean and early confounding effects at 17 do not show close to parity iq averages but rather close to hispanic iq averages which is almost exactly in line with theory of limited depression of iq by indirect influence in the short term, with the proposed racial hierarchy of intelligence, with the diminishing returns arguments (blacks don’t gain ground compared to whites if money is thrown at them, they remain 2/3-1 sd behind; the genetic nurture gains likely take enormous periods of time to break through hardcaps on phenotypic plasticity, evidenced by african-american iq increasing 5 pts among middle class cohorts in 60 years of integration) and with the original notion that blacks are literally genotypically intellectually inferior their alles that express the various pertinent brain region phenos are less efficient and were not as strongly subjected to positive selection as those found in whites and the one’s they do have that allow for higher cog function are probably significantly less frequent.

At every point it seems to indicate: inferiority, insurmountable gaps, actual feedback loops of intelligence depression, diminishing returns, long term necessity for accumulation of phenotypic changes, innate inherited difference in intelligence, diff ancestral selection pressures

>>10287179
>The boosts from white environments are almost excludively minor
That's only compared to adoptive black parents you dumb shit. Adoption in general was a boost compared to the national average.

>>10277462

>>10277341
Yes, but it is overstated by the IQ tests done by Lynn.
It is probably nearer a 5 point difference between the average IQ, once cultural differences and nutrition have been taken into account.
I mean, Lynn says that Congoids have an average IQ of 65. If that were the case, how on Earth would they be so successful in somewhere so hostile like the Congo?
They wouldn't. So, it is clearly flawed.

>>10287512
Uh
Not OP but with this reasoning we could conclude every organism in the congo has a > 65 IQ. This is bs.

>>10287549
I don't think you understand what IQ is, or what is measures.
You couldn't use it to measure the intelligence of non-human animals, idiot.
So no, >>10287549 is BS.

>>10287560
Obviously what I wrote is BS, it starts from BS premises.
Your observation is not scientific. "Clearly its flawed" is not scientific. If you have claims over the methodologies of flynn, state them. If you have a different hypothesis, by all means test it and post results, Or find someone else's. Otherwise, his results are concrete information and are more trustworthy than you or anyone in this thread for that matter.

>>10287574
Richard Lynn, not Flynn.
>One of the problems with studying the controversial subject of race and IQ is we do not have reliable data on the racial IQ distributions of very many races. Richard Lynn’s 2006 book made a major contribution to the field, but analyzing hundreds of studies was too ambitious a task for a single 76-year-old man and inevitably the research was criticized for biased selection of data and clerical errors. Another problem was that different races sometimes took very different tests under wildly different circumstances and living conditions, ranging from modern industrialized society to pre-literate hunter-gathering.
Also, about IQ from an actual psychology textbook:
>See picture.
Additional reading:
>https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/04/03/a-simple-elegant-explanation-of-race-iq-differences/
>https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/05/29/better-race-and-iq-data/
The data used in the infrographic in the article above is from the National Center for Educational Stats.

>>10287574
>>10287600
And if you want further reasons that the data used in the book wasn't accurate, see this:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence_(book)#Reception

>>10277341
> smart enough to make one of biggest scientific contributions of all time and win Noble prize
> dumb enough to loss it all right before dying
People are funny

>>10287658
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFxOxU9qQyQ
In short, evolutionary psychology.

>>10277341

Tyrone got all Stacies to keep him busy.
Only dicklet incels and basedboys are nerdy enough to further the human knowledge meme.

>>10287757

>>10287757

S o Y boys.

My phone keeps autocorrecting the gm crop into the word based for some inexplicable lack of reason..

>>10287768
What a low IQ newfag

>>10277441
t. yase nokwombo mukampe

>be high IQ master race
>Destroy your reputation for the sake of racism
Brainlet all along.

>>10287794
onions and medium-to-oldfagpilled

>non stop bitch about sub 120 IQ brainlets
>worship 85 IQ niggers as semigods

I'm lmaoing at your mental gymnastics amerimutts. Probably you just love that BBC and useless virtue signalling.

>>10277341
Scientists are just so dishonest about race. They say race doesn’t exist because we are genetically all the same but don’t tell you we share 96% our dna with chimps.

>>10287658
They are very funny. They're willing to crucify the very best and brightest for being honest about how they feel just because they may not like what they say, as some sort of sick form of virtue signaling.

We all bleed red. Racists claim blacks have green blood.

Racists btfo

I don't feel bad for this guy because he presumably has some money and isn't forced to give his money back to anybody.

>>10286568

Dropping the whole submissive inferiority charade I was playing into, I do think I'm beginning to see I'm not fully equipped to debate this, and now can understand why I would need to be more well versed in the subject before debating someone clearly more studied than I. Most of which being that I'm too lazy to read the study so thoroughly.

>inb4 'typical'

That being said, I still believe you're underselling the implications of the study, no matter how little it leverages against your position.

And because I don't currently have a background in STEM, I lack the ease of presenting something that is unfalsifiable based on reading said study, so any argument I make that is generally disagreeable is due to pedagogical blind spots, and are not intentionally misleading. I try to make up for this by being more rational about what I do understand.

Now, the most intact argument I can make from this point is also the most contingent on environmental influence, because although I can see that, if we are to assume full deterministic cause-effects, those of African origin will overall produce less nurturing conditions than whites for optimal productivity and iq clusters for their offspring.

>>10287217

However, you seem to imply again that these effects, should we provide the best conditions for them to perpetuate (maybe somehow without the need for high IQ whites), will not be compounded or trend positively enough over few generations for them to make a difference, even if you were able to look at this from a soft cultural imprint stance, which seems to be based more in speculation rather than any citation. Not only this, but you view it to be a lost cause altogether, which I suppose is either signalling for white separatism, I presume, or defeatism, which I guess is a bummer for the most part either way.

>>10289593

Closing statements-

The worst part of the situation with Watson is he seems remorseful for having this view, not even in the sense that he seeks sympathy from his detractors to cover his alleged vitriol, but this guy knows exactly how dark the implications lay. But I wouldn't say that the tarnishing of his rep is as simple as 'narrative pushing' but is more in line of 'The truth hurts' and for people such as myself, Black, took AP studies and learned of he and Crick's exploits findings and was raised in the civic mythologies of all men are created equal, it is a coarse brushing with those ideas that when stripped away, reveal amoral nature we've coddled ourselves away from.

I have no doubt that his comments will be a permanent mark on his achievements and his racism will eclipse his conscience.

Well /sci/ what is a well-meaning nigga to do?

>>10277341
chinks cheat

>>10287972
IQ is more important than race

>>10289614
>Well /sci/ what is a well-meaning nigga to do?
Not be a race war loving retard?