/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10196963
The Sun is much farther away than in your simulations, the rays are pretty parallel and the width of the reflection is about the width of the sun, the big flashy thing on the horizon is atmospheric refraction.

>>10196991
Is the light being reflected atop a spherical surface?

>>10196996
Yes, the light is being reflected by the spherical water, it's also being refracted by the spherical atmosphere.

>>10197000
What would it look like on a flat surface?

>>10197005
Good question, is the Sun still about 1 AU away? It would probably look about the same, a sphere is locally Euclidean(flat) after all.

>>10197033
Kek

stop replying you morons I'm sick of this meme

>>10197029
But the sun isn't local in the globe model.

>>10196963
>camera really high off the surface

Come on bro

>>10197033
Light bends in a flat density gradient.

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>>10197042
What's the problem?

>>10197053
You're comparing to a photo taken right on the surface.

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>>10197056

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>>10197064
What's the radius of curvature? And the distance to the light source? How far off the surface is the camera?

>>10197075
Are you claiming that the light will behave the same on a curved surface compared to a flat one depending on these variables?

>>10197077
We know the earth is a globe, but if Pluto isn't a planet why doesn't it look like Pluto from Disney? Oh wait, it does!

>>10197083
Yes. Yes, I am claiming that if you're really close to the surface compared to the radius of curvature, and the light source is really far away compared to the radius of curvature, then it'll look similar to the flat case.

>>10197096
But the closer to the surface you are, the more curvature there is to block the light.

>>10197113
Utter nonsense.

Alright, but let's talk now about thing we see on your pic - sunset.
How does it work on pancake earth?

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>>10197127
Keep telling yourself that brainlet.

>>10197113
>But the closer to the surface you are, the more curvature there is to block the light.

This is factually, observationally incorrect

>>10197177
Prove it brainlet.

>>10197187
Spheres locally look like planes on small scales. So getting closer to the surga e means it starts looking more and more like the flat case.

You did know this basic geometrical fact, right?

Why were ancient people so dumb with their cosmologies? Couldn't anyone have thought of Eratosthenes brilliant proof of curvature sooner? To think no one imagined that simply measuring the shadow lengths of difference places at the same time of day could tell you something about shape of the earth... Simply astounding.

>>10197203
Yes brainlet, but just because it looks flat doesn't get rid of the curvature that the light will be blocked by.

>>10197163
Are you want to tell me that sunset is caused by refraction of light?

>>10197211
>Eratosthenes
Funny you brought him up. An anagram of Eratosthenes = sees not Earth

Coincidence?

>>10197213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga_-FvaUT10

>>10197033
#firmamentgotrealcurvature

>>10197210
>doesn't get rid of the curvature that the light will be blocked by.
You can keep repeating that nonsense all you want. If the light source is above the horizon, there is no "light blocmed by curvature".

>>10197222
Prove it brainlet.

>>10197211
>>10197215
>About a century after Aristotle, around 250 BC. Another Greek mathematician and philosopher emerges. He conducted another experiment that is still touted as "proof" of the heliocentric concept. He noted that at noon on the summer solstice in Syene the sun shown directly down a well. He noted that at this same time in Alexandria a vertically standing metal rod cast a significant shadow - so he calculated this angle and in doing so made a key error - he built the assumption that the sun was nearly infinitely distant - and that it's rays must be parallel - into his experiment. In reality while the Sun is is directly over Syene it's rays shine down the well directly - but the Sun is only a few thousand miles away, so it therefore casts a significant shadow even only 800 miles away in Alexandria.

>In reality we can prove this by using a plain everyday nautical sextant and measuring the angle of the sun from two places at once simultaneously - something that was not possible in Eratosthenes's times. Very easy with today's communications. We can then triangulate the sun's position using basic trigonometry - using this method the sun has repeatedly been measured to be between 2,000 - 3,000 miles away and approximately 32 miles wide.

I had this debate a few weeks ago. Pretty sure most of you guys are trolls.

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>>10197241
Pic related is what a "spotlight" sunset would look like

>>10197241
>if the earth is flat, how come we can't see for infinite distance?! checkmate.png

Brush up the laws of perspective.

>>10197241
You are the troll with that image.

>>10196963
>can't think in 3 dimensions
>can only think 2 dimensionally
OP is 5 years old mentally
>probably thinks that electricity is magic and photographs 'steal your soul'

>>10197253
What is causing the sun to set from bottom to top? If somehow the atmosphere caused the sun to set, you would see the sun fade from farthest point to nearest point, meaning the sun would start to fade from the top, then start to fade from the bottom, and end up setting somewhere in the middle. Also atmosphere does not bend light to the degree that is required for a sunset to look like that on a flat earth.

>>10197263
>thinks there's a number of dimensions

>>10197269
>peripheral trolling in a troll thread
...hoookay, I'm out, bu-bye.

>>10197265
Air's density gradient you slob.

>>10197249
What if the sun was actually local to each perspective, projected from within? This would explain it's apparent sphericity.

Y'all /sci/ggers need Eric Dubay.

>>10197273
You dropped your gay card.

>>10197280
Newton "discovered" gravity in 1666.

>55 replies
>12 unique IP's
sure is samefag in here

>>10197280
>curvature in one mile squared
What the fuck am i reading lmao

>>10197353
>fallen for a troll group

>>10197355
It's called a conversation you autist.

>>10197370
What am i looking at here

>>10197370
Hello, wobbly earth supporter

>>10197376
You're looking at how the temperature/pressure of the air affects objects behind it. It is not curvature that obscures things.

>>10197382
Lol, do you really believe that atmospheric bullshit explanation? The earth is wobbly

>>10197379
>>10197385
Wobbly sphere or wobbly plane?

>>10197388
Wobbly time cube

>>10197389
Sounds like it's wobbly matter made of heavy electricity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGO_jikBtM

>>10197382
I've been toying with the idea that curvature is not responsible for hiding faraway objects. I'm not 'there' yet in terms of thinking the earth is flat or something, but when I saw that vid of the boat "disappearing" in the distance at some insane zoom level, I knew there were more things at play.
here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

>>10197419
>I knew there were more things at play
Exactly. It's wobbly matter

>>10197425
i don't understand what you mean in the slightest

>>10197419
Yes, to think only curvature can cause obstruction is ridiculous considering we're looking through an air gradient. This is even more apparent when looking over water that will be evaporating.

>>10197037
I was too, but then this >>10197033
happened. Fukkin saved.

>>10197432
The hollow wobbly Time Cube in which the 4 quadrant corners of Earth rotate, equates to your 4 corner bedroom, or to a 4 corner classroom which represents the 4 corners of wobbly Earth - in which brilliant and boring pedants teach dumb students 1 corner knowledge. Each of the 4 corners of Earth is the beginning and ending of its own separate 24 hour day - all 4 simultaneous days within a single wobbly rotation of Earth. Place 4 different students in the 4 corners of a classroom and rotate them 4 corners each. Note that they rotate simultaneously wthin the same Time frame as if only one is rotating - just as the 4 different days on Earth rotate. 3D math applied within this hollow Cube would be erroneous math, as it would not account for the 4th corner perspective dimension.

>>10197443
fukkin reddit

>>10197213
Somebody needs to do this with a bowling ball, so the texture of the ba;; does not confuse things.

>>10197449
What's a time cube?

>>10197476
This should answer your question

>>10197476
http://timecube.2enp.com/
feast your eyes

>>10197215
Other anagrams include:

Seahorse netts
Theater noses
Eastern ethos
Other senates
Honest teaser
Hotness eater
Hoarsest teens
Hetero assent
Ant shoetrees
and Thots are seen

Now we all can say which are coincidence, and which are not.

>>10197477
where am i standing here?

>>10197246
That is pretty definitive.

On a related subject, why do (them) build buildings that lean toward each other like this????

>>10197256
Not a rebuttal

>>10197389

>>10197497
On an ifinite 4 corners flat cube time barnacles spaghetti enmesh argle bargle.

>>10197514
>barnacles spaghetti enmesh argle bargle.
What?

>>10197494
>still thinks Eratosthenes is a real person

>>10197519
BARNACLES SPAGHETTI ENMESH BARGLE

>>10197498
Because they're local, therefore affected by perspective.

>>10197519
anon has descended too deep into the time cube and has lost all semblance of rational thought or sense
a moment of silence for his brave sacrifice

>>10197502
>thinks his image requires a rebuttal

>>10197533
So sunbeams are local parallel lines as well?

>>10197533
Yes, it's mainly because your opposite eyes were moved to 1 corner to overlay for single perspective, but that corrupts your Opposite Brain.
You have a cyclop perspective and taught android mentality = lobotomized analytical ability. Educated singularity brilliant - You can't think4 corner days.

>>10197540
That's what your retard globe model requires.

>>10197276
What do you mean local to each perspective? The sun is in two places at once?

>>10197524
>a real person
An anagram of AN POL ERASER.

Does anybody think that is a coincidence.

>>10197543
I have 3 eyes you quadcunt. The holy trinity.

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

>>10197552
Cubic thought Reigns as the Highest Intelligence possible on the planet Earth.

>>10197546
So what you are saying is that the sun is local but sunbeams are not?

OK.

>>10197550
AN POL ERASER doesn't make sense you autist. SEES NOT EARTH makes sense and is entirely relevant to the context.

>>10197555
So why'd you get trips you fraud?

>>10197562
Fuck

>>10197558
Er no brainlet, the sun and sun beams are local.

>>10197566
e x p o s e d

>>10197567
OK< so you admit the sunbeams are local, and that being local, perspective would cause them to seem to converge, just like the buildings.

Thanks, I understand now.

>>10197519
>barnacles spaghetti enmesh argle bargle.

An anagram of

Ragbag germ hen resells attachable penis!

And I'm out.

>>10197569
Oh, the sun is 93 million miles away then.

Thanks, I understand now.

>>10197068
WTF

I’m a flat earther now

>>10197593
that's just the sensor getting saturated
besides, solar eclipses look the same no matter where they occur in the sky

>>10197603
Not that easy kid.

>>10197613
Oh, the sun is 93 million miles away then.

Thanks, I understand now.

>Every phenomenon observed on a spherical earth in a heliocentric solar system can be explained on a geocentric flat plane
>But only if air distorts light in a way that’s impossible, celestial objects move in completely erratic and unpredictable ways, and magical rules of perspective and some super word called locallity that can be used to explain away anything without providing an actual argument
>Also every scientist ever that has studied the world and concluded it was a sphere is a liar

>>10197647
>thinks it is the earth that's curved, rather than light being curved by the air
>thinks scientists who have been taught the globe are liars rather than brainwashed like everyone else

Interesting fact that the mods on here will delete and ban posts, or nobump threads they disagree with, but the inane spam from shills is allowed to continue unabated. Coincidence? 4chan has been infiltrated for a while now.

>>10196963
You should go back to /x/

>there's evidence for Flat Earth
No, there isn't. The only 'evidence' comes in the form of very narrow, specific instances of apparent conflicts in images created by flat-earthers that purposely misrepresent the facts behind them. There is not one shred of evidence that argues for a flat Earth that cannot be explained better in a spherical Earth model which matches and meshes with other evidence too. Every single meme from the flat Earthers is flawed. Flat-Earthers will not concede if they can't deny the truth, or they will fall back on calling you 'retard,' 'brainlet,' or 'shill.'
Flat-Earthers are 90% absolute liars/trolls, and 10% complete idiots who have no idea how to think critically or apply physics/optics to what they see. Everything they say relies on convincing you that you're gullible or stupid. And the irony is if you believe them, you are.
That's the story. That's flat Earth in a nutshell.

Believing you can actually argue with or change a flat earther's mind makes you almost as dumb as them.

>>10196963
pic on right is lie

Believing you can actually argue with or change a round earther's mind makes you almost as dumb as them.

>>10197546
they are parallel, but when they point at you theyre affected by perspective.
this is literal 3rd grade art class shit.

Believing you can actually argue with or change a donut earther's mind is irrelevant because they are correct.

>>10197546
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>>10196963
fuck off, loser

>>10197494
>Theater noses
DA JOOZE!

>>10198208
Change it to *what*? There is no alternative sensible, logical, verifiable model of the Earth.
All 'flat-Earthers' can produce is silly cartoons. *Everyone* knows fEs are just trolls. Why the pretense of arguing for an absurd alternate reality? Is this really what kids do for fun nowadays - act stupid? Is stupid the best you have?

>>10197280
>>10197296
Why does this happens?

>>10198208
explain how people from South america and australia can look away from the north pole and see the same stars just upside down