/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10480148
>Empirical evidence means you're a psued
Lol

>>10480323
>there is no fucking logic to the laws of physics

Because the universe is not "physical".

>>10480325
You cannot see what is not manifest. Does not mean it's not there.

>>10480356
>OUR UNDERSTANDING of how the universe works, which we call "physics", requires logic, which we CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

Physics quantifies it. Ex: It will tell you how many apples there are, but it won't tell you what an apple it. It will sit there and measure every aspect of it and describe it till it's blue in the face.

>>10479922
A Platonist's goal is to become Aristotelian, that's why they practice this method of refinement called "Philosophy". They simply admitted that it would be practically impossible to force that amount of virtue to the dumbest of the populous.

>>10480252
This is an important post, but Plotinus I feel doesn't revive him in a mystical way. He goes into depth and explains why mysticism forms around its teachings and even argues "Against the Gnostics" in one of his enneads. Holy shit he can be hard to understand at some points though. A "too deep for you" kind of man, but only cause he spent so much time in contemplation of things. Also he never really wrote down his own thoughts, only his students such as Porphyry bothered to record what he said.

>>10440430
>more appeal to authority

Wonderful, now can I have an actual explanation or are you going to continue preaching your gospel of numerology? Sorry, no solicitors are allowed at the house of reality so stop waking us up every Saturday morning.

>>10412464
God cannot be reified by a human being. An all knowing omnipotence would be incomprehensible to something that thinks.

>>10363803
>if i give any answer as to what causes gravity you can then ask what causes that.

Not if it is an uncaused first cause. If it were uncaused then then it would either begin to exist without a cause or did not begin and is self-evident. If it begins without a cause then take nothing and add nothing to it. You get nothing.

>is a claim and it needs to be proven.

Fine. "the effects of what humans call "gravitation" exist, but the cause of gravity is not known". It's the same as saying the "magical rope pulling force" exists but we don't know the cause of it. Now prove me wrong. "oh well you aren't describing what the ropes are". Oh okay then we'll call them "quantum ropes" and then continue the same shenanigans. If it's not known or knowable then is there at least a relationship to it and everything else?
Everything (mass) attracting everything is what we dub "gravity" and the described effect is observable, but that doesn't make it real much like how that wouldn't make a shadow real. How can there be ANY net "force" generated by the universe? It works as simply as possible because logically it has nothing else to work off of, no? It's a pressure mediation. There is no "force" whatsoever, there cannot logically be. It uses what it has by necessity, things move from where they are to where they aren't using themselves and the absence of themselves. Matter doesn't just collide into itself , it fills the "space"(absence) of WHERE IT IS NOT. That's why you get different qualities of matter depending on the coherency of them (like crystals, magnets, alloys, every element).

Acceleration towards an absence is NOT A FORCE. FORCE HAS MAGNITUDE AND DIRECTION. You are talking about the absence of that magnitude and direction. One part of a pressure mediation conjugate.

>there's a fundamental difference between
>gravity isn't a force
>and
>gravity was never proven to be a real force

I'll stand by both.

>>10127275

Example:
One can ask a machine for "diet coke". One will always get diet coke, in the perfection of automation that is.
One can ask a human for "diet coke". One will not always get said diet coke. This gives the mind the ability to process, adapt and improve the outcomes of the curveballs that nature throws.
"I didn't ask for dr pepper, oh well I'll try it...Wow I actually like this/hate this"
"I don't want dr. pepper, please make another with diet coke"
*throws dr. pepper, acts like a dick and then gets arrested. Learns from experience not to act like such an asshole*
None of which happens with a machine. You get what you get and if you want to throw a fit, please call 1800-XXX-XXX to speak to a representative....again this is an automated message system. Yeah it's fast. Yeah it works. The result however is a bunch of humans that are hypersensitive and never associate face to face. Most humans know this which is why automation is more or less held back on purpose. The government knows this too otherwise the DMV would have been fucking automated 10 years ago. Humans need humans. "Ma and Pa" stores will always exist and so will manual labor and "shitty jobs".

>universal basic income

What will machines do with your (everyone else's) money?

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