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I vote for venus cloud cities
venus is the perfect sandbox to conquer the solar system

>>11705258
and the best part? we can send a probe there that will be relativately cheap to put in the habitable zone of venus, because everyone is focusing on the dead end that is the planet mars.
nothing than a little teflon coated zeppelin that will float at 50km above the surface of venus to scan the atmosphere and surface, maybe even throw a seismometer at maxwell montes.

>>11388788
why don't we just live in venus? it has the proper gravity and we may just be able to terraform it in the future.
we could live in swarms instead of cloud cities, hindenburg sized swarms and we can recycle the acid clouds to get water and recycle our own water too.

>>11225791
how long would an zeppelin coated with teflon last in venus if it was at 50km above the surface? and yes its the size of the hindenburg.

how long would it last at 52km above the surface of the planet?.
the zeppelin will be coated with teflon to ensure it doesn't get rekt by acid of course.

>>11011494
could it be birds or bugs that just appear fast because of the focal plane of the camera or possibly the moving shutter and/or sensor?

>>10982784
>atmospheric turbulence might prevent floating cities from being made practically.
then we do a swarm of hindenburg sized zeppelin/habitat hybrid and get over it.
>We currently understand Mars better.
true, to make it more habitable I suggest sending a 100 megatons nuke to deimos and make the explosion push deimos torwards phobos and make the 2 replicate the dinosaur extinction event on mars to increase the pressure a 10%
>The Vega balloons lasted for >48 hours in Venus' atmosphere.
>Their batteries only lasted 48 hours and they appeared to be doing just fine when they ran down.
>The Venera probes also took about an hour to fall.
how hard it is to build a teflon coated mini-zeppelin that will work as a weather balloon on venus? it'll remain in the habitable zone of venus(50km to 55km above the surface) and analyze in depth the whole place for months, maybe even bring down a seismometer at maxwell montes so that we analyze properly the only place where we can build shit.

>>10963393
we don't know for sure.
what about sending a weather balloon?

>>10902227
>Besides, there's several planned probes for Venus including a: wind powered clockwork rover that communicates via morse code
why don't they send a small zeppelin? it'll be ideal

>>10893537
cyclocarbons will be the thing that will make rigid aircrafts like zeppelins a chance to become a fully functional house in the sky.
don't you see? this discovery will allow humanity to master the art of flying cities and houses.
armored but still rubbery.
we use cyclocarbons and fuse them with iron and other materials to sew a damn zeppelin that is able to safely withstand the pressure and stress.

>>10891622
>and then once the updraft stops, your colony starts to sink. This is also another cause of airship crashes.
dammit.
this whole thing is a damn challenge.
hmm...since its carbon dioxide maybe we could use that to our advantage with some sort of plant like the ones in the carboniferous period to refill the air after we use the emergency air to remain afloat.
plenty of sun and a lot of carbon dioxide to transform may give us a key here.
cyanobacteria also work well on oxygen poor enviroments.
>I thought it was clear we were discussing pressure applied to the shell from a wind gust or due to wind shear? I guess this wasn't clear?
there is currently no airship that could withstand for long the pressure, the dragon dream airship is the closest thing that comes to my mind that would last under those conditions for a while but not for a reasonable amount of time.
the ML 86X may be a good candidate.
I think we need to actually invent a aircraft that could withstand venus.