/lit/ - Literature

Confused about Guenon spam? Not sure where to start? Begin with this handy image explaining how Advaita Vedanta is universally considered a late, crypto-Buddhist mutation of Hinduism and not real Hinduism at all. The only people who disagree are western LARPers who get their religious beliefs from Wikipedia and Youtube.

Confused about Guenon spam? Not sure where to start? Begin with this handy image explaining how Advaita Vedanta is universally considered a late, crypto-Buddhist mutation of Hinduism and not real Hinduism at all. The only people who disagree are western LARPers who get their religious beliefs from Wikipedia and Youtube.

Buddhism. Pic related. Nibbana is beyond jhanas and the hindu samadhi, beyond the realm of cosmis consciousness (satcitananda).

Modern followers of Shankara are a tiny minority because most Hindus and scholars see them as knockoff Buddhists.

>shankara

Cringe. All scholars and 95%+ of Hindus consider Shankara to be crypto-buddhism. You're better off reading about real Hinduism, not this neovedanta theosophy revivalist bullshit.

>>14950821
>nondualism

Please, don't pretend this Buddhism is real Hinduism.

>>14943934
Yeah good post.

>>14945547
Pic related.

>>14929778
>shankara
>advaita

shoo shoo cryptobuddhist

>>14926824
you bet

Why would you read crypto-Buddhism?

>>14914382
>Some Hindus who have not studied their religious texts very closely may sometimes acquire the misunderstanding

lmao, you're a westernized follower of a western neovedantist claiming that 98% of india (a country you've never been to) "misunderstands" their own religious texts

neovedantists are amazing

>>14902280
You advaita cultists are on the same tier as Hare Krishnafags. Stop spamming your neovedanta shit here.

>>14869649
The reverse

Because Guenon was very influenced by a minority movement within Hinduism called neo-Vedanta, a westernized variant of Advaita Vedanta, which is basically a ripoff of Mahayana Buddhism. See pic related.

>>14843741
That is not believed by anyone other than internet advaitins. You are the Mormons of Hinduism. Even other Hindus just see you as westernized and buddhized heretics.

>>14829109
Based

>>14829105
Pic related

>>14829219
Brainlet

>>14816444
Kek

>>14808784
Nothing vedic about Nagarjuna's philosophy. There is something Nagarjunian about Vedanta though.

>>14785162
>But I am starting to think that Guénon was a Kaffir

No shit sherlock, really?

No.

"What also surprised me a great deal was the regret that I had no biographical information about myself; this is something I have always formally opposed, and above all for a reason of principle, because, according to traditional doctrine, individualities count for nothing and must disappear entirely ... But, in spite of this, I am obliged at least to rectify erroneous assertions when they occur; For example, I cannot let it be said that I am "converted to Islam", because this way of presenting things is completely false; anyone who is aware of the essential unity of traditions is by this very fact "unconvertible" to anything, he is even the only one who is; but he can "settle down", if it is permitted to express himself in this way, in this or that tradition according to circumstances, and especially for reasons of an initiatory nature. I would like to add in this regard that my links with Islamic esoteric organizations are not something more or less recent as some people seem to think; in fact, they are almost 40 years old...".
- Letter from René Guénon to A. Daniélou, August 27, 1947, my translation - i'm french and my English is bad so sorry if there are mistakes

Retarded Muslims who try to grab his glory must get out. Guénon was Sufi at the end of his life, for purely practical reasons: he already had links with Sufi organizations and he wanted to leave France. The closest and most convenient was the Maghreb.

99.99% of the Muslims who try to seize Guénon's genius by saying "he converted to Islam lol" are refuted by the master himself in this letter and probably never read it, because they would make apostate any Muslim having 1/10th of Guénon's beliefs. Some points of his belief in brief:

1. that all religions are currently valid to lead to God and that Islam is only the most practical path of our time for a European
2. that deliverance (union with the Absolute, death of the ego, al-fana' ) is superior to salvation (entry into paradise), the latter being there for the masses when deliverance is the way of the elites
3. that the world is a part of God and that there is an Absolute superior to the personal God.
4. that it is desirable to achieve supra-individual states through intiation
5. that there is an esoteric path that transcends religious divisions

The Sufi Islam of Guénon is: yes.

The exoteric Islam of 99.99% of the Muslims on earth: it's no, it's shit, and it's probably the worst exotericism still alive.

Small message to the islamists who play the guenonfags to convert naive people to their shitty sect.

>>14774059
>Adi Shankaracharya

Shankara is a cryptobuddhist from a very late period (1500~ years after the principal Upanishads).

>>14767448
Yup pretty much, that's why advaita vedanta is so often called "cryptobuddhism"

>>14730987
Sharma is a an advaitin crank who advocates the completely non-scholarly, purely religious position that the philosophy of the Upanishads is Advaita. Nobody agrees with this. He's a neovedantist from mid-century India, of course he thinks Advaita is the philosophy of the Upanishads. Pic related has a review of him and similar neovedantists in it.

But even Sharma states repeatedly that Mahayana "developed" the "seed" of the Upanishads:
>Prof. Bhattacharya rightly observes that the Upanisadic seed of idealism developed by Buddhist teachers who flourished before Gaudapada has influenced him

>[Gaudapada] discovered that these similarities were due to the fact that Buddha himself had partly assimilated the Upanisadic teachings, which were, later on, developed in the Mahayana schools of Madhyamika and Vijnanavada.

>The dialectical method though developed in the Mádhyamika school did not originate with it or even with Buddha. Its origin is found in the Upanisads and its first exponent is the sage Yajñavalkya.2 The doctrinal similarities, as pointed out by Gaudapada himself,are due to the fact that Buddha himself took these doctrines from the Upanisads and these were developed in the Maháyána schools.

>The Hinayana schools missed Buddha’s advaitavada and elaborated a metaphysics of radical pluralism. The inner contradictions in their metaphysics led to the rise of the Mahayana schools of Madhyamika and Vijnanavada. The Madhyamika is the most faithful representative of Buddha. All the important aspects of Buddha’s advaitavada indicated above have been faithfully and systematically developed by the Madhyamika in his philosophy.

Even while trying to superimpose his completely non-scholarly religious opinion, that the Upanishads somehow always already contained Mahayana-like nondualism, he still admits that Mahayana "developed" and "elaborated" the "seeds" contained in the Upanishads, including dialectical method. So it's good to know you think he's a reliable authority.

>with the commentary of Sankaracarya

He's a cryptobuddhist. Not a faithful reading of the Upanishads at all. See pic related. Better to read the orthodox Hindu schools if you want a taste of Hinduism, not this cryptobuddhist shit.

>>14721369
Guenon is a neo-vedantist. Neo-vedanta is a ripoff of Buddhism, which is why it's called crypto-buddhism by most Hindus and all mainstream scholarship. Pic related.