/lit/ - Literature

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>>16744825
>If "seer" and "seen" are objectively real ontological categories, then how can anything ever change from seen to unseen, or unseen to seen?
That is a strawman, nobody who argues for the Atman argues for that, they do say that the Atman as self-revealing (i.e. self-seeing) consciousness is real, but that the Atman which is God through His power creates the world-appearance, which allows the eternal consciousness to be given changing experiences. The Consciousness is eternal, and because of this there can be changing things which are seen and then unseen in consciousness, without this persisting conscious witness there can be no perception of change.
>How could you ever see something new, if it cannot go from unseen to seen?
Nobody ever said something cannot go from unseen to seen, this is one of your many sophistic arguments which you seem to be unable to set down and relinquish, no matter how many times people call you out for using them and explain that they are meaningless.
>If something's fundamental nature is to be "seen", then it can never be anything but seen.
There is no fundamental thing to be seen, the only fundamental thing is the self-revealing consciousness of the self or Atman
>This is not the case, as we can obviously close our eyes, and things that were seen are no longer seen. If things can change, they lack an intrinsic unchanging nature OR they have an intrinsic nature that is totally irrelevant and exists in such a manner that it might as well not exist.
This reasoning can only ever apply to things external to consciousness, but not to consciousness itself, as changes they can only be detected in things which are external to the detector or observer

>>>16744787
>you don't know what you're talking about, and your doctrines are incoherent.
I don't agree with everything Surendranath Dasgupta writes in his 5-volume history of Indian philosophy, but I do agree with his statement here about the Buddhist no-self doctrine being incoherent, self-contradictory and self-evidently wrong. I take it that his expertise shows that there are educated experts on the topic who hold the same opinion on it as me.

"The Buddhist attempts at explaining this notion of self-identity by the supposition of the operation of two separate concepts are wholly inadequate, as has already been shown. The perception of self-identity can therefore be explained only on the basis of a permanently existing self" - S. Dasgupta

>In a year, you'll have adopted a different religious tradition to argue about.
No, because there is an unending supply of Buddhist crossposters from reddit whose false doctrines I shall continue to refute with the flaming sword of truth.

>You are unhappy, and your life decisions are why you are unhappy.
Nice projection, I feel wonderful

>It is entirely within your power to change this. Start by sitting down..., and watching your breath.
No, because I don't reify non-existence like you bozos do

>>16717593

For the subject of this essay I have taken Oriental metaphysics. Perhaps it would have been better to have said simply metaphysics unqualified, for in truth, pure metaphysics being essentially above and beyond all form and all contingency is neither Eastern nor Western but universal. The exterior forms with which it is covered only serve the necessities of exposition, to express whatever is expressible. These forms may be Eastern or Western; but under the appearance of diversity there is always a basis of unity, at least, wherever true metaphysics exists, for the simple reason that truth is one.

If this be so, what need is there to deal specifically with Oriental metaphysics? The reason is that in the present intellectual state of the Western world metaphysics is a thing forgotten, generally ignored, and almost entirely lost, while in the East it still remains the object of effective knowledge. Thus it is to the East that one must look if one wishes to discover the true meaning of metaphysics; or even if one’s wish is to recover some of the metaphysical traditions formerly existing in a West which was in many respects much closer to the East than it is today, it is above all with the help of Oriental doctrines and by comparison with them that one may succeed, since these are the only doctrines in the domain of metaphysics which can still be studied directly. As for these, however, it is quite clear that they must be studied as the Orientals themselves study them and one must certainly not indulge in more or less hypothetical interpretations which may sometimes be quite imaginary; it is too often forgotten that Eastern civilizations still exist and still have qualified representatives from whom it is possible to enquire in order to discover the exact truth about the subject in question.

http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/viewpdf/default.aspx?article-title=Oriental_Metaphysics_by_Rene_Guenon.pdf

>>16700735
>In this age of decadence the only way open to those seeking the great liberation is one of action."
We have been in the Kali Yuga since 3102 BC, if that was really true then there wouldn't be so much evidence of the path of knowledge working in India for the last several thousand years, but clearly it has as demonstrated by the many who have followed it, even in the modern era like Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj; ergo this self-aggrandizing claim is not true.

>Evola saw further ahead than Guenon.
>Tantrism > Vedanta
No he didn't, Evola makes a bunch of basic mistakes in that book which show that he had a superficial understanding of the doctrines which he comments on, particularly his comments about Advaita show that he had no idea what he was talking about. There are much better books on tantra.

This is not sports teams that you take sides on and root for you fucking retard, either read the source texts or stop posting about this stuff. People who only ever read secondary sources like Evola without reading actual tantric stuff but who still feel the need to posture about muh team is better are peak hylic.

>>16700773
>Evola actually puts us in the right direction and they (you know who you are), don't want that.
You won't get anywhere playing at gay occultist D&D larping in your house like Evola, you have to be initiated by a qualified teacher to genuinely participate in a tradition
>They want you in an commune, doing nothing but mulling over scripture.
Initiation = / = renunciation. If someone is drawn to renunciation, there is nothing wrong with that. But if someone is not drawn to renunciation, there are many other paths one can be initiated in which don't typically involve renunciation, including Sufism and various Hindu sects. Tantra is not the only area of Hinduism which places an emphasis on action.

>>16700798
Go to a Sri Vidya temple in India and inquire about receiving initiation, if they can't offer it there they will direct you to someone who can provide it

>>16700892
Tantra Illuminated - Christopher Wallis

>>16674979
>>lords can legally kill you and rape your wife
>>clergy can legally kill you and rape your son

not if you're in the land of Islam

>>16656015
>Redpill me on Guenon, bros. Who is he, what are his ideas


>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>>16204235
You should have listened

>>16141699
>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>>16116358
>Literally who?
The patron saint of /lit/


>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>>16032372
>Literally no one cares about your shitty po-

>>15974104
Guenonchad here, I know that it's hard for you pea-brained Buddhists to believe, but there are actually multiple people on /lit/ who think that Buddhism and its philosophy are often laughably stupid. The other anon who is debating you guys and who says he is a Christian is not me.
> you're the guy who claims that the buddha plagiarized a man born 1300 years after his own death
I have never said that Buddha plagiarized Shankara, I've maintained that Buddha got many of his ideas from the PRE-BUDDHIST Upanishads which had been circulating throughout northern Indian for centuries before Buddha lived, the same pre-Buddhist Upanishads that Shankara based his theology on

>>15964105
>useless
>wasting time
It seems Singh was just a dumb westernized victim of globohomo who was brainwashed to value the ephemeral over the eternal. God forbid that people actually use their time for introspection and to reach inner satisfaction instead of making money working for someone else to buy products which they don't need! Him and his ilk were BTFO'd by Guenon

>Is it because Westerners have come to lose their intellectuality by over-developing their capacity for action that they console themselves by inventing theories that set action above everything else, and even, as in the case of pragmatism, go so far as to deny that there exists anything of value beyond action; or is the contrary true, namely, that it is the acceptance of this point of view that has led to the intellectual atrophy we see today? In both instances-and if, as is probable, the truth lies between the two-the results are exactly the same; things have reached a point at which it is time to react; and this, be it said once more, is where the East can come to the help of the West (assuming the West is willing), not by thrusting upon it conceptions that are foreign to its mentality, as some persons seem to fear, but by helping it to recover the lost meaning of its own tradition.

>It is knowledge that serves as the 'unmoved mover' of action; it is clear that action belongs entirely to the world of change and 'becoming'; knowledge alone gives the possibility of leaving this world and the limitations that are inherent in it, and when it attains to the unchanging-as does principal becomes itself possessed of immutability, for all true knowledge essentially consists in identification with its object. This is precisely
what modern Westerners overlook: they admit nothing higher than rational or discursive knowledge, which is necessarily indirect and
imperfect, being what might be described as reflected knowledge; and even this lower type of knowledge they are coming more and
more to value only insofar as it can be made to serve immediate practical ends.

>>15845211
>But they're just drawing out their sentences like a lazy college student trying to write an essay.
Think again hylic


>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

“René Guénon (pbuh) defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“Guénon (pbuh) established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon (pbuh), taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“René Guénon (pbuh) was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon (pbuh) who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s (pbuh) work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

“René Guénon (pbuh) is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

*obliterates all duality*

>>14942733
>Schuon
Cringe! He thought protestantism was initiatic, revealing his hylic nature... He was also in contact with the Buddha who got retroactively demolished by the impeccable argumentation of Our Great Teacher René Guénon (pbuh).
>Nasr
Cringe! He works for the CIA! It literally has CI=counter-initiation in its name!
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976TEHRAN11491_b.html

Brothers... I confess my faith....
I confess the Guenonian (pbuh) creed:
>"Contemplation > Action."
Amen!

>>14910915
>molests his cute little niece after initiating her into sacred opium smoking
Holy based!

>>14902252
read the fabled Rene Guenon (pbuh) and soon enough in your heart there will be the dawning of a warm light which will illuminate your intellect, evaporating any illusions residing in your mind and revealing to you the truth of God. You can find his first book which you should begin with along with all of his other books here too, good luck brother.

https://archive.org/details/reneguenon

>>14899933
why yes brother. i do coom to our great teacher (pbuh). how could you tell?

>>14848868
>pic related
>the light/darkness shadow/duality getting refuted by a non-Dual Being standing right in the center of it
Holy based... Guénon ﷺ is truly the master of sacred symbolism.

>>14824426
>questions
One does not ask questions of a hylic incapable of providing true non-profane knowledge. A single verse from Guénon (pbuh) is sufficient to retroactively debunk the entirety of your deluded worldview.

As-salāmu ʿalaykum my brothers

This is addressed to my fellow spiritual patricians who like myself have cast aside profane philosophy and literature for the purpose of ascending to a serious and sustained study of Traditional metaphysics. What have you been reading lately? What have you enjoyed? What do you recommend?

Me, I've been reading this book which I saw a helpful anon post in a ʿAbd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyá ﷺ thread, it's an interesting book which goes over various non-dual meditation and spiritual practices from a range of traditions including the Hindu, Egyptian, Orphic, Platonic, Hermetic, Kabbalistic and Christian teachings. Especially illuminating are the wide range of selections from various Christian mystics and metaphysicians which form around half of the book. You can read a PDF of it here.

History of Non-dual Meditation Methods Javier Alvarado Planas

https://www2.uned.es/dpto-hdi/History%20of%20Non-dual%20Meditation%20Methods.pdf

>>14761248
>set theory.
But he (pbuh) retroactively refuted set theory.