/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9839505]

>"SPQR by Mary Beard is a fantastic introduction to Rome."

>"Mary Beard is a respected academic of Roman history, what's the problem? "

>"excellent response. Mary Beard is a professor of classics at cambridge, and I have seen, several times on this board, the "red pill" response that women cannot be historians, and that the study of social history is "sjw". I am not averse to dismissing popular female authors as producers of pap for the undiscriminating female popular readership, but the dismissal of ideas and academics based on inverse identity politics is poison to informed discussion, and usually made by individuals who refuse to argue their position from anymore more than a drive-by greentext, like yourself, faggot. "

womemes, not even once
https://twitter.com/wmarybeard
for more nonsensical female "intellectual" gems

[Anonymous No.9839522]

the book was alright desu

idk what made her write this nonsensical tweet

[Anonymous No.9839523]

>>9839505
are you sure she isn't right?

[Anonymous No.9839525]

>>9839523
I am sure there was less than one nigger in roman britain.

[Anonymous No.9839526]

>>9839505
Can it all just be fucking over with. Just fucking nuke us instead of this long drawn-out process of decline and fall.

[Anonymous No.9839527]

>>9839523
pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty sure

[Anonymous No.9839529]

>>9839522
Women jump on social capital faster than a new dick..

Actually they usually jump on dick for social capital.

Writing this tweet was like jumping on a new dick

[Anonymous No.9839538]

>>9839523
there were non whites in rome, but making the centurion guy in the pic black because of it is stupid

it's like making an anglo saxon chieftain black because a black skeleton was found in germany somehow
It makes no sense, it's a clear PC political statement about diversity and race mixing, and that's the point

basically we were ALWAYS race mixing and diverse, so nothing is wrong today

[Anonymous No.9839543]

>In Greek mythology man was punished for stealing/appropriating the fire given to them by Prometheus by creating Pandora i.e. women. Women opened a fucking vase (fuck you Erasmus) which basically introduced all the evils unto the world
>In the Bible a woman can't fucking obey God and causes the Fall

Any other mythology stories that can validate my lack of success with women and my increasing misogyny?

In all seriousness though, wtf is Mary Beard thinking.

[Anonymous No.9839545]

>>9839505
cultural marxism surely is getting around a lot these days.

[Anonymous No.9839546]

BASED fat bald Arab man

[Anonymous No.9839550]

>>9839538
also, the point was that BBC tried to push the black man + white woman family as a typical roman family, which is what they were implying

I don't see why anyone would actually assume that was correct, even the most stupid of laymen, let alone an academic

[Anonymous No.9839551]

[Anonymous No.9839553]

She's right though. York had a lot of North African Romans.

It's like America/those raised on the internet get upset Europe might have discovered African people before the US came up with the idea of black people.

[Anonymous No.9839556]

>>9839538
>basically we were ALWAYS race mixing and diverse, so nothing is wrong today
this is the reality. the evidence speaks for itself.

[Anonymous No.9839561]

>>9839550
>he thinks the shilling ends at "typical Roman family"

If you only knew how bad things really were

[Anonymous No.9839563]

>>9839551
>Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding
>Einstein contra Bergson: Who rapes me more by having existed?
Holy fuck i'm crying

[Anonymous No.9839565]

>>9839556
yeah man, europeans have always lived with blacks and mixed with them, and black guys always married women all the way up to britan and scandinavia!....

...that is why they wouldn't even believe blacks were human when they first encountered them and actually thought they were beastly and stupid...because you know, that's what happens after millennia of living together with them and mixing

[Anonymous No.9839571]

>>9839553
North Africans were whiter than Italians or Greeks, you mongoloid mental retard.

Picrelated: the left dude is a Lybian.

[Anonymous No.9839575]

>>9839550
It wouldn't be strange. Septimus is mixed because of that. Even Caesar mentions the recruitment of a large set of North African "hybridae" by Labienus. It's kind of impossible to have a Mediterranean empire without blacks.

[Anonymous No.9839579]

>>9839565
classical and pre-history society is not the same as middle-ages/early-mod society. you think culture or history is a linear line? the arabs had to bring classicism back into europe after ancient languages died out.

[Anonymous No.9839587]

>whites and blacks haven't lived alongside one another since the literal stone age

umm try again sweetie

[Anonymous No.9839589]

>>9839575
>Even Caesar mentions the recruitment of a large set of North African "hybridae" by Labienus.
Isn't Caesar referring to the post-Hellenistic people who were half Greek and half Semitic?

[Anonymous No.9839590]

>>9839575
North Africans were whiter than Italians or Greeks, you mongoloid mental retard.

See here: >>9839571

[Anonymous No.9839593]

>>9839571
>he hasn't read Homer
>he hadn't read Caesar
So when Homer describes Eurbyrates, what he actually meant to say was white skinned and straight haired? Gotcha, I'll let my local association for the blind know.

[Anonymous No.9839596]

>>9839579
>>9839579
>the arabs had to bring classicism back into europe after ancient languages died out.
Nice meme. Not true, by the way.

[Anonymous No.9839600]

>>9839579
Ancient languages never died out. In fact, the Arabs had to hire Greek-speaking Byzantines to translate classical works for them into Arabic.

Also the only reason why Western Europe had no access to classical learning in the first place was Islamic piracy, which made travel and communication between the two halves of the post-Roman empire difficult.

[Anonymous No.9839605]

>>9839593
>Eurbyrates
Who the fuck is this? I've read the Iliad and the Odyssey. Don't remember this fucker.

[Anonymous No.9839612]

>>9839579
>classical and pre-history society is not the same as middle-ages/early-mod society
and one did not grow from the other? lmao

>you think culture or history is a linear line?
no man it's a spiral and non whites somehow disappeared from europe once the classical times were over

>the arabs had to bring classicism back into europe after ancient languages died out.
so by classicism you mean slavery and conquest? well shiet

[Anonymous No.9839615]

>>9839593
> citing an obscure literally who as ""evidence"" of large-scale population trends
I hope to God you're actually trolling, I don't want to feel like I suddenly woke up in idiocracy.

[Anonymous No.9839621]

>>9839593
>Anon says North Africans were whiter than Greeks
>you cite the physical appearance of a dark-skinned Greek character to disprove him

Are you literally retarded?

[Anonymous No.9839637]

>>9839505
So to recap, the truth is that there was 'ethnic diversity' or at least North Africans in Roman Britain, but not the Sub-Saharan Africans depicted?

[Anonymous No.9839639]

It's time you learned the true history of Rome.

[Anonymous No.9839640]

>>9839589
No, he's referring to part Roman merchant, part black north African. They're a left over from the civil war. Most of the other hybrids he encounters are the Hispanic ones, not the Greek-Semites since his campaigns move the opposite direction to those territories.
>>9839590
And if you want to go that route, you'd know a lot of black Etruscan lines would still become Roman lines.
>>9839621
There's black people even further north in the Etruscans, anon. Doesn't make for less black people in the Mediterranean.
>>9839615
>>9839605
He's the herald, the one who Odysseus trusts most.

Do none of you niggers read?

[Anonymous No.9839642]

>>9839640
>every single person mentioned as having dark skin or curly hair is a sub-sarahan african and therefore it's racist to not portray vikings as black

[Anonymous No.9839644]

>>9839640
>No, he's referring to part Roman merchant, part black north African.
Where's your evidence for this? North Africans aren't black.

[Anonymous No.9839645]

>>9839612
no, one did not grow from the other. history is not linear. non-white didn't disappear. skin hues get darker the closer you get to the old med empires and asiatic the closer you get to the old steppe empires. by classicism I mean greek and roman texts. its the reason why averroes is depicted in the school of athens.

[Anonymous No.9839646]

>>9839640
I should have hidden this thread the moment I read the phrase "black Etruscans" but for some reason I can't stop replying to you

[Anonymous No.9839648]

>>9839551
The one about female sexuality in weimar rebublic could be intresting. Can anyone recomend books on the subject?

[Anonymous No.9839655]

>>9839505
She is a respected historian who's done research in the field for years. You're a nobody pissed off because she said something you don't like

[Anonymous No.9839657]

>>9839655
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839660]

>>9839593
Eurybates is described as having tan skin and curly hair. I.e. not much different from a modern Southern Greek like pic related. Suggesting that he was black is politically-correct revisionist history.

[Anonymous No.9839667]

>>9839657
whats so funny

[Anonymous No.9839672]

>>9839667
His future

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839687]

>>9839655
There's a huge blindspot in modern academia when it comes to race and ancient societies. No matter how much Alexander is described as a light-eyed ruddy blond in primary sources, PhDs on Quora will all say that he had brown skin when asked because he was "Mediterranean." You can't be honest about race in the 21st century; it's heretical.

[Anonymous No.9839691]

>>9839687
Where the hell is he described as blond? The Alexander mosaic shows him as brown haired and brown eyed

[Anonymous No.9839693]

I'm a historian and I can tell you unequivocally that roman skeletons are often found in the UK from all sorts of different backgrounds.

In fact recently a Chinese skeleton was found astonishingly. But anyway, dont get angry because fact doesnt line up with your political opinions you retards, you are no different from the SJWs.

[Anonymous No.9839705]

>>9839693
this, the roman empire being so big it was obvious that it was somehow diverse

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839707]

>>9839691
>Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. - Plutarch

>T]he strong, handsome commander with one eye dark as the night and one blue as the sky - Arrian

>hey affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance. - Aelian

>For he had the hair of a lion and one eye was blue; the right one was heavy lidded and black, and the left one was blue - Callisthenes

[Anonymous No.9839711]

>>9839693
But are they the exceptions that prove the rule, or evidence of a vibrant multi-culturalism?

[Anonymous No.9839720]

>>9839707
>writing centuries after his life
>"""primary sources"""
They also say he smelled unnaturally sweet. The Alexander mosaic portrays him as typical med, which is based off a painting done in his life time.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839721]

>>9839693
The issue at hand wasn't whether or not non-white Romans existed, but about their prevalence and preponderance. There are black people living in Japan right now, but an accurate visual representation of contemporary Japan wouldn't have a black man in every shot.

[Anonymous No.9839727]

>>9839538
Italy unironically had medis and moors around for a very long time

[Anonymous No.9839740]

>>9839565
Stop projecting your creepy cuck fantasy on non-white supremacists

[Anonymous No.9839742]

>>9839691
its an ongoing issue. most historians come down that he was most probably what we called strawberry blonde. it's a philological issue about how to interpret the classical texts. however, skin tone is a very naive way to determine genetic ancestry. people thought the kalash tribe in India were greek in origin because they were white/light skinned. dna tests didn't agree. yet greek dna is found in part of west asia were the populace is dark like the pashtun. unfortunately those who view race as a fixed, essential trait will always try to muddy the waters on these debates just like ptolemaic ancestors in africa.

[Anonymous No.9839744]

>>9839642
>let's pretend that people with black skin aren't black
good luck
>>9839644
Because he says they're north African. That they're left over from the civil war is speculation, because it's the best way to explain how there were any such hybrids. To be a hybrid, they need features of both, so it's pretty self explanatory.
>>9839646
>being this upset by Etruscan coinage just before the Romans took over
should we get in the time machine and tell them to stop leaving awkward artifacts that challenge your view of history?
>>9839660
it's actually dark skin and hair like wool
>μελανόχροος
(can be translated as melanin enriched, as you'll see from the melano prefix, )
>οὐλοkάρηνος
(you can see the lamb/sheep reference at the end)

[Anonymous No.9839751]

Are those 'we wuz' posters for real? What?

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839765]

>>9839720
Callisthenes lived contemporaneously with Alexander.

This is silly. The mosaic shows a man with a ruddy/tanned face and with white hands and a white neck. It's also aged, which adds color. But trying to get an accurate representation of a man based on a 2400 year old, tattered mosaic is a bit absurd.

>typical med
He was from the northern hinterlands of Greece, which was constantly invaded by Gauls.

[Anonymous No.9839766]

>academics are now arguing with shitposters on twitter

Social media was a mistake

[Anonymous No.9839767]

>>9839639
This hurts my very soul... yet I'm not even racist...

[Anonymous No.9839773]

>>9839766
This.
This thread wouldn't have lasted ten replies on /his/

[Anonymous No.9839776]

>>9839766
It isn't the 50's any more senpai being a academic isn't a respectable position.

[Anonymous No.9839780]

>>9839765
>ruddy/tanned fac

You know, most people who stay outdoors for extended periods, like warriors, will have tanned faces. Doesn't really say anything about the person's ethnicity, besides the fact that they're not black.

That's kind of dumb to get offended by the word redskins too. Indians had red skin because they were outside all day. White people's skin will turn red too, given enough exposure to the sun. Look at highway crews for example.

[Anonymous No.9839784]

>>9839773
>>>/his/3180747

[Anonymous No.9839788]

>>9839561
Fuck burgers are racist

In their minds the only society is western society and the only races are blacks and whites. Never see asians, indians, polynesians etc when to comes to "diversity".

[Anonymous No.9839790]

>>9839655
This is a respected academic who's done research in the field of Beyonce studies for years.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839801]

>>9839744
>it's actually dark skin and hair like wool
I'm not going to pretend I read Homeric Greek, so I can't argue with you. My Greek "scholarship" consists of reading translated primary works. All I can say is that the lack of significant black admixture in modern Greek genetics makes me suspicious of your interpretation. My interpretation of the Fitzgerald translation is simply a curly-haired Mediterranean, which is fairly common.

[Anonymous No.9839805]

>>9839780
red neck and red leg were both slurs against irish emigrants/deportees. unlike redskins, though, their skin actually turned red. though they're probably only pissed off about it because the english treated them as a subrace for a couple hundred years and starved half of them out the country/existence.
interestingly, a red neck would never be a hillbilly, because hill billies were protestant scottish people.
for alexander though, his skin was noted to be especially red, compared to his contemporaries. it's unlikely he spent more time in the sun than everyone else, so it's probably due to his skin tone.

[Anonymous No.9839809]

>>9839543
Read Euripdes' "Hippolytus"

I’ll hate you women, hate and hate and hate you,
and never have enough of hating…
Some
say that I talk of this eternally,
yes, but eternal, too, is woman’s wickedness.
Either let someone teach them to be chaste,
or suffer me to trample on them forever.

[Anonymous No.9839815]

>>9839526
This tbqh

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839817]

>>9839805
>so it's probably due to his skin tone.
As in being fair. Olive-skinned people like me turn red initially then develop a brown hue. Fair-skinned people (Alexander could have been a redhead) tend to burn up and stay red.

[Anonymous No.9839823]

>>9839801
modern greeks are not ancient greeks. trying to make that comparison is absurd.

[Anonymous No.9839825]

>>9839801
>Fitzgerald translation
That just tells me you want to give me Fitzgerald's view of what race he was, which is obviously going to be subject to a much later appreciation of race and its biases. By that stage the word melanochroi was being used to mean "dark whites" which is everything from Indian Brahmin to Welsh and Irish pasty skin, but does not include AngloSaxons or Germans, even if those AngloSaxons are as tanned as the Brahmin.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839832]

>>9839823
I'm not. What i'm suggesting is that Hellenistic Greece didn't just die out and get replaced by an entirely new gene pool. If Greece had a significantly black population a couple thousand years ago, genetic traces of it would still be there today.

[Anonymous No.9839836]

>>9839825
this. it's almost as if every generation projects their own society onto the past. which is why erring on the side of the physical evidence is always going to be the strongest position. currently the evidence suggests diversity. that might change but we can't know for now.

[Anonymous No.9839855]

WE WUZ CAPUTTE MUNDI

[Anonymous No.9839861]

>>9839855

So many missed opportunities here.

[Anonymous No.9839865]

>>9839832
african dna is all over europe dude. the question has never been whether africans were there but where those markers came from. how much Iberian dna is from the theoried ice age migration and how much is from the moorish invasions? are classical africans the same as modern africans? is North Africa lighter because of turkic/arab invasion or has North Africans always been lighter than other africans? these aren't easy questions to answer and anybody who tells you that they know the truth is a political hack not interested in the truth.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839878]

>>9839825
I'm not qualified to argue this point. I'm still trying to get my Latin down. But the "whitification of the Irish" argument employed by modern sociologists to demonstrate how race is "constructed" is mostly bullshit revisionist history.

>>9839836
A modern projection of society onto the past is exactly what OP is arguing against. The BBC series features black Anglo-Saxons, black Celts, and black Normans. The evidence shows that Rome wasn't exclusively white, but that doesn't mean that including black characters in nearly every scene that depicts every period of European civilization is accurate.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839889]

>>9839865
Black genetic markers aren't synonymous with African genetic markers. North African DNA is all over Southern Europe for obvious reasons, but that's not what I'm referring to.

[Anonymous No.9839894]

>>9839836
Can we not be sure that the current values of our society aren't being projected upon the physical evidence? Diversity is one of the central values of the academia. Can they be trusted not to inflict it upom every element of existence.

[Anonymous No.9839896]

>>9839878
nor is this red-pilled view of race and especially classical race accurate either. I'm not agreeing with either position but with the evidence. reactionaries are projecting as much as any sjw ever did.

[Anonymous No.9839905]

>>9839894
that's possible if every science used in enthnographic and anthropology and archeology are flawed and start with an axiom of diversity. considering these studies started before post-war liberalism, that'd be a pretty big claim to try and make.

[Anonymous No.9839917]

>>9839905
Every field of human knowledge was fundamentally altered during the long march through the institutions. They way as well be entirely different sciences.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839920]

>>9839896
>nor is this red-pilled view of race and especially classical race accurate either.
Of course it isn't. But it's a fringe view. The SJW revisionism, on the other hand, made it onto the BBC. Black Egyptology is taken seriously to the point where I see black women wearing Egyptian jewelry on the subway, and black people on twitter using Ramesses II as their profile pics. No modern academic would dare correct that perception.

[Anonymous No.9839924]

>>9839878
Fucking political correctness...

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839927]

>>9839924
Yet having white characters play non-white historical figures is "white-washing."

[Anonymous No.9839932]

>>9839889
>Black genetic markers aren't synonymous with African genetic markers.
yes but that's the point. current phenotypes that have been through thousands of years of migrations, invasions, political marriages, tribal slavery etc. are not synonymous with classical phenotypes. which is why a broader analysis must be taken. black skeleton found in europe...okay what does that mean? given that black people are depicted in art, even in middle-ages, and the philological evidence (the last name Blackmore), and such points to diversity. how diverse? who knows. are these skeletons and depictions of regular populations or of slaves or singular historical oddities? more research needed.

[Anonymous No.9839942]

>>9839920
because those black people aren't making a historical statement. eygptian iconography comes from aesthetic movements like afrofuturism. you know, space is the place. you on the other hand have no idea what is going on in the academy and are in no position to m are sweeping statements about classics/anthropology departments.

[Anonymous No.9839945]

>>9839927
I realize the hypocrisy of the left, friendo. Well-aware...

[Anonymous No.9839949]

>>9839878
>I'm not qualified to argue this point. I'm still trying to get my Latin down. But the "whitification of the Irish" argument employed by modern sociologists to demonstrate how race is "constructed" is mostly bullshit revisionist history.
I don't know what you're talking about but there's an interesting case in the US for this where a high caste Indian argued he should be considered a "free white" as the law was meant to exclude Africans not Indians. Meanwhile in South Africa, Gandhi is contending he is above the South African blacks and due a better train carriage than them.

For more on melanochroi and xanthochroi whites, TH Huxley, the guy who invented those distinctions.

A lot of it is socially constructed, even all the way back to the Greeks. Aristotle, with his love of the middle ground and averages, thought the Greeks were the ideal race because they weren't as pale as the barbarian red heads to the north, and weren't as dark as others. Every society comes up with their own reasoning as to which skin tone gives you less pull.

While I'm sure the BBC are doing it for different reasons, black Romans or Celts aren't really that strange. It's no more strange than the Greek-Celts, or wearing Goth wolf skins in Constantinople. The ancient world was pretty connected and the reason why there aren't more stories of OMG BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE is because black skinned people aren't that much of a rarity until you get to the 1500s or so when owning one became a status symbol. Before that, most of the rarities that people wanted to buy for their human zoo collection were red heads, or the really exotic blondes, which is why those slaves went for higher auction prices in Roman times than black slaves: they were rarer and you could make a wig out of their hair that would show your far reaching status and connections.

[Anonymous No.9839952]

>>9839927
DAE think white men are the most oppressed group in society?? upvote

[Anonymous No.9839961]

>Respected historian
>Believes in "EREMUS REGES ET MERDA"

[Anonymous No.9839981]

>>9839961
do you mean erebamus? it would keep the spelling error and the tense.

[Anonymous No.9839992]

>"scientific evidence'"
- Mary Beard

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9839994]

>>9839942
>because those black people aren't making a historical statement.
Have you spoken to them? Have you read their tweets? This isn't purely an aesthetic movement, it's a movement that seeks to "reclaim" black civilizations and achievements from the revisionists Eurocentric scholars who appropriated them for their own racist, colonial purposes. It's a movement that makes falsifiable historical and scientific claims. This isn't just an art movement.

[Anonymous No.9839995]

>>9839765
The mosaic is based off a painting contemporaneous with Alexander. Calisthenes only says his hair was like a lion's, which could mean many things. All statues show him with hair ringing his face like a mane.

[Anonymous No.9839997]

>>9839505
She's correct, there were dark-skinned Roman soldiers stationed in Britain. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

>>9839878
The black celts, normans, etc. is pretty stupid though. But they're just short videos for children, why bust a blood vessel over it.

[Anonymous No.9840014]

>>9839784
Eh, there's like one or two /pol/tards there and everyone else is pointing out that Beard is a respect historian while Watson is clearly a moron.

[Anonymous No.9840021]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840027]

>>9839932
>more research needed.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. What we do know is that one particular phenotype was far more common than the others, and that using exceptional evidence to justify equal representation in media is just a leftist attempt to excuse their true motives for diverse representation, which are political.

[Anonymous No.9840030]

>>9839994
yes, I am very active in aesthetic circles. you have a very confused and literal view of the movement. watch space is the place and listen to amen ra speak about psychological empowerment for better understanding. although, I don't get the impression you actually want to know anything about contemporary black culture. otherwise you wouldn't make such broadly stupid comments based on an unqualified number of twitter users.

[Anonymous No.9840035]

>>9839639
>>9839767
you've never heard of colorblind casting? it's just a black actor playing the role. the character caesar is still white within the play

[Anonymous No.9840043]

>>9840027
that's not what beard or historians are saying, so not relevant. I also think your alarmist position that a layman aesthetic decision points to an insidious conspiracy to re-write history absurd.

[Anonymous No.9840046]

>>9839721
Watson clearly said that Roman Britain was not diverse, which is fucking wrong. Stop trying to muddy the waters shit like "prevalence" when Beard was clearly just pointing out Watson's bullshit.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840055]

>>9840030
I'm sorry for taking people at their words. I'm sorry for not realizing that lying can be justified in terms of empowerment and psychological well-being. If I see people - many of whom have thousands of followers on twitter - claim that the pyramids of Giza were designed and built by black people, then that's a claim that I take at face value.

[Anonymous No.9840065]

>/pol/tards will never fuck off
Why the fuck do I even browse this shithole anymore?

[Anonymous No.9840066]

>>9840035
That's stupid. Might as well wear stuffed cats for sandles, drink wine from emptied modern cans of beans, and set the whole play in the Australian desert meanwhile everyone is wearing modern-looking reflective tracksuits with LEDs in them to make them blink. "So what? They're still just sandles, it's only a goblet, it's still Rome, those tracksuits are just togas! Use your imagination."

I say again; that's stupid. Caesar was white, he should be only played by a white person. It would be equally stupid for a Caucasian or an Asian to play Shaka Zulu while all his warriors are still black, or having Gandhi played by Jordan Peterson.

[Anonymous No.9840074]

>>9840065
It's not they who are raiding the board;

[Anonymous No.9840081]

>>9840055
>then that's a claim that I take at face value.
so when /pol/ and frog/dingo twitter say gas jews and worship fascists and say to kill blacks then I am to take this at face value and not aesthetic larp or ironic? what an absurd way to live life you have. all this is answered by amen ra btw so either look into it or fuck off in your ignorant, "face value" world (except when other extremists larp it's just ironic humour, right?).

[Anonymous No.9840084]

>>9839949

I can't tell whether you're trolling or not

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840085]

>>9839952
I'm not white. And oppression is mostly economic.

>>9839949
>It's no more strange than the Greek-Celts,
Actually, it's a lot stranger. Macedonia had a history of being invaded by Celts. England and Germany do not have a history of being invaded by Sub-Saharan tribes. Comparing the two scenarios is pure equivocation. The numbers are what matter, not whether or not a single black person even made it to the côte d'Azur.

[Anonymous No.9840087]

>>9840074
You're right, they've already immigrated

[Anonymous No.9840091]

>>9840030
Sun Ra made some good music, but nearly everything he had to day was absolute gibberish.

[Anonymous No.9840092]

>>9839992
daily reminder that 1% of "pure" scottish people have berber and tuareg genetics. taleb's being a real tit, because most of those genes come from the 1700s so he wouldn't even have to cede his point (though some do come from earlier) to maintain scientific honesty, but he's so ideology ridden that he hopes genetic evidence of black people a) will go away and b) will only be considered if they're subsaharan

making it subsaharan to count as black gets even more retarded, because those are the blacks which are most likely to have albinism. i.e. it's the one place in africa you can find people with african ancestry, who have always lived in africa, whose ancestors have always lived in africa, who have no melanin in their skin due to a genetic condition.

[Anonymous No.9840097]

>>9840085
>Actually, it's a lot stranger. Macedonia had a history of being invaded by Celts
That was referring to insular Celts who returned to Greek territories. Also hard to explain but common: Illyrian Scots.

[Anonymous No.9840106]

>>9839529
>>9839526
>>9839529
>>9839538
>>9839538
>>9839538

Go back to pol retards, they literally found an African skeleton in Britain from Roman times

Get over yourselfs

[Anonymous No.9840110]

>>9839571
What were the Greek colonies?

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840117]

>>9840043
>points to an insidious conspiracy to re-write history absurd.
Shut the fuck up. Wanting to see blond Vikings, olive-skinned Spartans, and brown Hittites make me crazy and conspiratorial? My point is that the diversity of these representations are less concerned with accuracy than they are with contemporary concerns over equal representation. You know this is true. We live in the age of Hamilton. And even though that play used race for a very specific purpose, other media took up the baton and ran with it without putting any sort of thought into that decision. It's a dumb trend. I hate it because it's a dumb trend, not because i'm an angry white man.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840123]

>>9840046
Watson being a retard doesn't explain this pic>>9839878

The issue is broader than just Rome.

[Anonymous No.9840132]

>>9839655

>She has a PhD

>Is therefore infallible

>You (presumably) do not

>It follows that you are wrong

Liberal logic astounds me

[Anonymous No.9840139]

>>9840132
>someone who has a phd in a field isn't more trustworthy than a shitposter on an anonymous Scythian silk trading board

[Anonymous No.9840141]

>>9840117
hamilton killed his way through appalachia to repress "backwater Irish/Scotch" but that reality would never be represented aesthetically in republican circles.

accurate representation is a non-issue in art, no matter what the artists political side. that is why you are conspiratorial. you literally think art is supposed to be a material representation but only hate one particular dumb trend and not any others. maybe you just hate art? ever think of that?

[Anonymous No.9840145]

>>9840132
They are narcissists, authority is everything they know.

[Anonymous No.9840147]

>>9840081

Fascism Fascism Fascism, that's all I hear when I speak to you why don't you give it a rest no one can even settle on a proper definition for it unless we are presenting Fascism as being the Italian movement haha but you are talking of modern day Fascism which is political anathema - I don't agree with it but nor do I agree with other "aesthetic" movements that use that term as a means to mask political and ideological ideas that are based on a completely invented reality

[Anonymous No.9840153]

>>9840139
Academia is an utter joke, at least half of them are there purely through politics and inflated grades.

[Anonymous No.9840159]

>>9840153
And this is true because you say so, ok

[Anonymous No.9840164]

>>9840035
imagine a white guy playing malcom x or MLK

niggers would be chimping in the streets. you think they would stop caring if we used your excuse? kek

[Anonymous No.9840165]

>>9840147
not I'm point out why taking afrofuturism at face value is stupid. something you seem to be feeble at grasping.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840167]

>>9840081
You have unpack this. Some Nazi /pol/sters are just LARPing, while some (like the anti-Semites who post here in every remotely political thread) are 100% serious. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish the two; often it isn't. Same can be said for black Egyptologists. There are some who like the aesthetic, but there's a large, substantial group of people who seriously think that black achievements are being stolen by whites.

>>9840141
THIS ISN'T ART. It's ostensibly educational programming meant to teach children European history. My concern with representation in art is simply consistency. Either white-washing and black-washing are okay, or neither are. You can't have a double standard.

[Anonymous No.9840174]

>>9839687
there is a big problem with the way the greeks described/perceived colour. Charles Murray recently linked an article about it

[Anonymous No.9840177]

>>9840066
Oh dear, you must hate the opera.

[Anonymous No.9840178]

>>9840117

Art is art

"BBC Teach" is not art, or at least that isn't its foremost concern - it is meant to inform people/children on the history of Britain. And like the Namefag says, this is falling foul of the current trend of altering history to achieve its own ends - personally, I'd be just as incredulous if they decided to pop a random white person during a video about Ethiopian Emperors

[Anonymous No.9840191]

>>9840177
No, but i do hate thr cynicism that brings directors to alter these works in the most uninspired ways.

[Anonymous No.9840197]

>>9840110
>What were the Greek colonies?
Something utterly unrelated to a Egyptian mural created millennia before Hellenic Greece even existed.

[Anonymous No.9840203]

>>9840165

And my point was that might be the way in which you approach it, but in the same way that aesthetics in fascist movements were used to mask or reinforce latent political and ideological ideas (see the establishment of fascist uniforms - blackshirts, etc. - in order to present an image of solidity during the political turmoil of the interwar years) the repurposing of Ancient Egyptian aesthetic might be used as a means to further a message, I.e. "The achievements of Ancient Egyptian were black ones."

[Anonymous No.9840206]

>>9840167
>but there's a large, substantial group of people
yes, as I said, an unquantifiable amount of people on twitter. this is not the way to live life or form opinions but you do you.

>THIS ISN'T ART.
ofc it is. this isn't academia. the animators have their department and the researchers have theirs and Adam Curtis has a basement all to himself.

your concern isn't consistency because you repeated demonstrate that you uncharitably take random afrofuturism at facevalue. /pol/ is some while black peeps are

>large and substantial

it's all vague nonsense.

[Anonymous No.9840213]

>>9840203
>"The achievements of Ancient Egyptian were black ones."
this would the inconsistent with all writing on afrofuturism.

[Anonymous No.9840214]

>>9840046
>Watson clearly said that Roman Britain was not diverse, which is fucking wrong.
It's not wrong. In modern leftoid newspeak, 'diverse' means 'negroid'. So a movie with a 100% Black cast is considered to be 100% 'diverse', while a movie with thirty different representatives of genetically distinct white-skinned people is 0% 'diverse'.

So no, Roman Britain was not 'diverse', it had roughly 0% negroid population.

[Anonymous No.9840226]

>>9840214
There's no proof that beard was using diverse in this 'definition' as opposed to its normal definition

[Anonymous No.9840232]

>>9840214
Roman Britain had a rather large amount of blacks compared to Britain pre-Romans, or even some other Roman territories. I'd suggest getting over it and hanging out with people who know what words mean.

[Anonymous No.9840242]

>>9840226
Sure there is. Reply to her tweet and say that Roman Britain was 0% negroid and watch the reaction.

[Anonymous No.9840244]

>>9840213

But that is the idea that is being taken at face value, in much the same way that a person with no academic background (a child) might accept without question that there was a black nobleman present at the signing of the Magna Carta

That's the danger my cool friend

[Anonymous No.9840251]

>>9840242
That's purely speculative you tard

[Anonymous No.9840259]

>>9840117
You don't mean blond Vikings. Angles were blond, and it's commented on by those from the north and south as being strange. You probably mean red headed or pale Vikings.
>olive-skinned Spartans
they're probably as brown as the Hittites if not more so. read Herodotus.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840266]

>>9840206
A proper response to seeing interviewees on CNN and Bill Maher passingly mention black people as being the ones who built the pyramids is simply to not care and move on? Your argument amounts to "it's just some people on twitter, who cares?" Is that the sort-of relationship you want people to have when it comes to how truth is propagated?

>ofc it is. this isn't academia. the animators have their department and the researchers have theirs and Adam Curtis has a basement all to himself.
No, you're equivocating again. Having educational pretensions means that you actually take pains to accurately represent history. Do you think you'd make the same argument if they showed individual white people in groups of phenotypical East Asians in a video about the Tokugawa shogunate? There were Europeans in Japan at the time. Would you give them as much leeway if they represented a significant portion of the Ethiopian Empire as being white? This is a one-way street, and that's because it's primarily political.

>uncharitably take random afrofuturism at facevalue
I wasn't aware that I was supposed to give liars and insecure charlatans the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous No.9840269]

>>9840244
It'd be awful if they found out that Mali had a charter a few years before which ensured more civil rights, and that within a century of its signing Mali controlled the gold price of most of the known world. Even worse if they sent scholars everywhere and built the north African university system.

[Anonymous No.9840275]

>>9840167
>THIS ISN'T ART
It is, one one level. But on another it also could be politics of history, or manifestation of identity politics in historical context. I doubt that pic >>9839561 related is intended for historical accuracy, sure you could imagine possibility of one black or mixed race norseman, but it was probably ideological choice, I guess we could always ask creators on what they meant by it.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840279]

>>9840259
>they're probably as brown as the Hittites if not more so. read Herodotus.
I have read Herodotus' Histories. I don't remember the Spartans being described as brown. They were Ionians who came from the north and dominated the native Laconias.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840290]

>>9840279
>Ionians
*Dorians

Although modern scholarship questions this view, but that could be because it was latched onto by racists.

[Anonymous No.9840297]

>>9840266
>I wasn't aware that I was supposed to give liars and insecure charlatans the benefit of the doubt.
and yet do when it suits you. hmm. I wonder why, so curious.

if you want to know what the pedagogic position on the truth about the classical world is then look to academia not bill maher lol. wtf.

[Anonymous No.9840302]

>>9840269

I feel like you think I'm denigrating the achievements of black people when i'm not - I accept that black people have achieved things of importance, but if an educational video tried to portray the charter in Mali and stuck a white person in there (as the BBC have done in reverse) then I would also question that and the motives behind the inclusion of a non-fact should I have found out that there was in fact no white man present

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840305]

>>9840297
>and yet do when it suits you. hmm
Like when?

The point about Bill Maher is that it's a litmus test for how normie leftists think. Obscure academic debates have very little cultural relevance.

[Anonymous No.9840312]

>>9840106
>an African skeleton
>the average British family
>an

[Anonymous No.9840324]

>>9840297
> just blindly trust me, I have a degree
No, sorry, I *don't* trust you. Especially when you're engaging in bald-faced lies to push a violent political philosophy.

[Anonymous No.9840330]

>>9840305
>a litmus test for how normie leftists think.
culture is vaporous. 99% of people don't care about the classical world. the only relevance roman diversity has is in classical scholarship. which the evidence currently points to diverse. the strength of that theory will be tested by further research and cultural trends will move on just like how the classical world was represented in art during the 18/19th century is not how it's represented now. to say academia has no cultural relevance is absurd.

[Anonymous No.9840331]

>>9840106
If i go live in China today and when im dead they bury me over there does that mean archeologist can conclude in 2000 years when they find my grave that China was full of white people?

[Anonymous No.9840340]

>>9840035
Good goy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.9840342]

>>9840046
Diverse in what way, by virtue that it encompassed large territory and as such had diverse population, or because population inside empire itself had high mobility and was "scrambled" all around or perhaps only in certain regions?

[Anonymous No.9840345]

>>9840331
yes. you wouldn't be the only white person in china and they exact number from material evidence that survived in the ruins of Shanghai would be unquantifiable. no one is offering a number only that the population was diverse.

[Anonymous No.9840348]

>>9840153
What the fuck are you morons even doing on /lit/? I can't even imagine someone this fucking braindead picking up a book.

[Anonymous No.9840357]

>>9840348
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/grade_inflation.html

[Anonymous No.9840359]

>>9840035
You can call it "colorblind casting" all you want but that's really only relevant for people who are already aware of Roman history; for all intents and purposes, the first impression on a young mind is more or less what they will consider "normal". If a child's first representation of Caesar is black, Caesar might as well have actually been a black person himself, because thereafter depicting Caesar as a white person will be jarring to the already assimilated conception and may even cause that person to debate on the grounds in favor of a "factually black Caesar". That is at its core the essence of historical revisionism. You don't have to change the textbooks, the textbooks become old and rewritten with whatever is "PC safe," but the wider social consensus might as well be what the "truth" is since its demonstrably socially safe and socially acceptable - two things that absolutely dictate the behavior (and beliefs) of people.

[Anonymous No.9840360]

>>9840106
WTF rome was african confirmed?!?

[Anonymous No.9840363]

>>9840345
Boy, you are stupid.

[Anonymous No.9840372]

>>9840363
wowe. such a barnstorming argument. like it or not, that is what people in 2000yrs would be able to determine.

[Anonymous No.9840380]

>>9840330

I don't think the dispute is over the diversity of the Roman Empire, as it is accepted that there was a degree of diversity. The question is (or should be) how this is represented - it's probably fair to say that the image of Roman Britain is not best represented by a sub-Saharan Legionary and his mixed-race family, or at least in the popular imagination. So it is equally fair to wonder what the motive behind the depiction of this possible but not typical situation is on the part of the BBC - why not show Hadrian's Wall, for instance?

[Anonymous No.9840390]

>>9840279
the natives intermarry with those driven out of lemnos and further east and south by the pelasgians, which places them pretty near hittite territory.
the bible (maccabees) also has the spartans as descendents of abraham. their origins are probably further south than the hittites if you trust any of the sources.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840391]

>>9840330
If you genuinely believe that the achievements of your ancestors are being stolen by white people, then that's a belief that'll influence you psychologically and politically. It justifies your resentment, which in tern is how you get some of the excesses of black lives matter. Taken together, this can be politically explosive stuff.

[Anonymous No.9840398]

>>9840380
because art is an abstraction. it depends on what you are trying to represent, not why. that's the point, all these assumptions on why the choice is made and not the what. this is a clumsy representation of diversity in roman brittain but it's not a bad one. should we not adjust expectations to the medium? does high art have a place in popular media? I mean, I agree with you. there are so many interesting things to talk about but here we are with alarmist conspiracy theories about indoctrination instead. maybe I just expect too much from /lit/, who knows. maybe my image of a reader of books is twee/precious and readers aren't all that much more intellectually curious or critical in their thinking.

[Anonymous No.9840408]

>>9840302
I question the motives too, but the chances of the Magna Carta in particular being influenced by a much more powerful empire than England is pretty high. I don't know if they portrayed it as "England had black lords" or just England had a black influence, but the latter wouldn't be surprising. Considering it's the BBC it could be they just want to pander to the growing idpol movements (both for and against having black people in it) but the outright rejection of the influence of what was about to become the largest empire on earth at the time irks me.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840425]

>>9840390
I don't see how this justifies the view that they were as brown or browner than the Hittites. Nor do I see Spartans, some of the most racist people to even live, mixing significantly with the Southern natives. They dominated the Helots absolutely, and very rarely gave mixed children citizenship.

[Anonymous No.9840427]

>>9839981
I'm no Latin guy, but is that correct? If I only got one word wrong, I did a better job than I thought lol.

EREBAMUS REGES ET MERDA

[Anonymous No.9840434]

>>9840398

I understand what you mean, but unfortunately art for the purposes of education has to have a why as well as a what and the two are often tied up together. I think it's perfectly natural and healthy for people to question specific choices in the representation of information - as has been discussed, people do take information at face value and use that to shape a world view, especially with something as emotive as the topic of Race. With this in mind, why have the BBC chosen this specific selection, etc.

Personally I'd be more interested in whether or not there was any North African cultural influence in Roman Britain as a result of the stationing of troops there but whatever

[Anonymous No.9840458]

>>9840408

Being as this was an educational series designed for children (or so I've been lead to assume) would suggest the former rather than the latter, so that is why questions are being asked of the inclusion of the black nobleman.

In terms of Mali's influence I couldn't say - I hadn't really looked into it before you mentioned it - but I would imagine a more serious BBC4-type documentary might incorporate it as part of the discussion, in which case the inclusion of a black nobleman as visual representation of Mali's influence might be excusable?

[Anonymous No.9840476]

>>9840434
I don't think that's true. if it was only a reminder that roman brittain or Roman Empire was cosmopolitan then that is an issue of aesthetics not pedagogy. black/white for better or worse is the most clearly understood visual distinction. which is why I say it's clumsy but not bad because I don't expect a popular medium to aspire to the nuance or complexity of high art.

[Anonymous No.9840510]

>>9840476

I suppose without knowing the background of the video I can't say - if it was a visual representation of cosmopolitan Roman Britain then that is more than acceptable as a depiction and any furore is ridiculous - however, i don't agree with the idea that art is above "Why", especially when its main objective is education and not aesthetics

[Anonymous No.9840518]

>>9840476

Anyway, enjoyed this and now I'm off to have a crap - have a goody

[Anonymous No.9840525]

>>9840476
It's propaganda to sell idea that Britain was multiracial true history.

[Anonymous No.9840539]

>>9840425
It's literally in Herodotus that the Minyas from Lemnos come to Sparta, and since they are descended from Argonauts, they could as good mating fodder. (That is until they sow unrest and the Spartans only don't kick them out because all the Spartan women want to keep their husbands).

The source you claim to have read literally says that over the course of the first few sentences on Herodotus' paragraphs on the Spartans. I have no reason to believe you've read Herodotus if you missed that. Not read Maccabees could be excused by having the bad grace to be born Protestant, but you did claim to have read Herodotus, who contradicts you.

[Anonymous No.9840541]

>>9839551
>not one "ummm i have a bf"

[Anonymous No.9840544]

>>9840510
well, I guess that's the downfall of ideological prejudice. it leads you to all kinds of assumptions with out knowing the source. which is part of the point I'm making. glad we found the middle ground.

[Anonymous No.9840557]

>>9840191
Not this dude, but this. I will also quickly take a screen cap to show I'm not same-fagging.

[Anonymous No.9840564]

>>9840557
Boom.

[Anonymous No.9840569]

>>9839593
>implying /pol/yps read

[Anonymous No.9840571]

>>9840557
>>9840564

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9840589]

>>9840539
Yes, and according to legend the Argonauts were originally from Iolcos, in Thessaly. Lemnos was made up of colonists from central Greece. What does the myth of the wife exchange say about the skin color of the Spartans?

[Anonymous No.9840593]

>>9839550

It didn't say typical anywhere you fat neckbeard cunt

Go back to pol

[Anonymous No.9840594]

>>9840458
If it's for children, it's probably so you don't have the Asterix and Obelix problem of kids learning how to be racist. (Come to think of it, Asterix and Obelix had black people too, but I'm not talking about its drawing of the black people like red lipped apes, so much as the habit kids have of thinking Corsicians really are lazy, and Italians are cunts) Asterix also has a higher incidence of winging it on history too, though.

I doubt the BBC did much research into how black people could actually have effected history, or they would have set one of the episodes in Mali or Ethiopia etc. But having a kneejerk reaction against black people existing in history before the transAtlantic slave trade annoys me about as much as what the BBC is probably doing (assuming they must exist in all vital moments of history).
Since I haven't seen it, I don't know if they're definitely doing that, because they might have put some research in and have the black guy there to explain how those charters were taking off and lead to a nation's success. If the black guy's supposed to be a lord in the cartoon, then yeah, it's definitely spurious because the amount of barons who form part of the security clause is pretty set. Black Romans are easier to explain than a made up baron because the first one exists.

[Anonymous No.9840603]

>>9840139

>PhDs mean something

It would be funny if t wasn't so heartbreaking

[Anonymous No.9840609]

>>9840177

>Opera is filled with modern things and/or niggers

What opera have you seen?

[Anonymous No.9840665]

>>9840609
not him m8, but if you want to be a snob, i'd suggest learning history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges
especially if you want to be an opera snob, because opera was seen as new and risque when it first appeared, and was made more risque by composers like Mozart, and was well attended, especially in the US, by black people. hell, most of the US only got introduced to opera through blackface mocking the blacks who mocked opera.
>tl:dr- there's a reason why gershwin's first opera was about blacks

[Anonymous No.9840783]

If the non-Whitesweren'tso civilized, they’d have exterminated these white devil creeps a long time ago. Whites, since they lack the hormone melanin, their Pineal Glands in their brains are 100% Calcified. That is why they can’t understand anything and have a hard time grasping anything in reality and the truth. Whites are mentally-retarded, sociopathic soul-less beasts. Exterminating them is a duty that all humans (non-Whites with healthy melanin levels) must complete, in order for civilization to prosper and the filth of this Earth to be done away with. The only way Whites can make a living is to lay corporate ownership on all the accomplishments of non-Whites.

[Anonymous No.9840785]

>>9839505
I dropped that book for H.H. Scullard's treatment of Rome; I distinctly recall her remarking that modern lauding of Rome is problematic on account of Rome's imperialism. Rome was great and so was Imperialism.

[Anonymous No.9840806]

>>9840106
>African Skeleton
>Race is skin deep and a social construct

hmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.9841211]

>>9839505
If any of the people here actually read SPQR or even watched the tv show about Roman commoners you would know this response from her was expected. She constantly talks about how wonderful diversity was for Rome and how great they were at incorporating former slaves as citizens.

The sad thing with people like this is that they're just lap dogs of the establishment. If the Nazis had won WW2 Mary and her ilk would be the most die hard Nordicists.

[Anonymous No.9841519]

>>9840589
>the myth of the wife exchange say about the skin color of the Spartans
Suddenly Herodotus is a myth when it turns out he didn't agree with you? That's like the historiographic version of invading Russia in winter.
If you want an alternative theory compared to the Spartans as Semites route described by the Bible and Herodotus (and the Spartans), you could go with later poetry and try to claim the Spartans are Nordic, but probably most people will laugh at you.

>Lemnos was made up of colonists from central Greece
Are you relying on the Argonaut myth that they came to Lemnos and found the women had recently killed all the Greek men for running off with Thracian women and so they conveniently had an island of Greek widows to marry?

Because that myth has obvious inconsistencies, like why would you name your Greek daughter after an Amazon, and why does she share her name with a city on Lemnos, and another on the Anatolian coast, and another on Lesbos, and various diminuitives of her name are used for cities in pretty much all the Hittites' Anatolian coastal range? Maybe her dad was asking for it.
I'm sure it's not suspicious at all that her namesake fights battles in Lydia or that they have all those Phrygian influenced women's cults references on the island, or the excavations there lack of strong Greek influence for the time period, like missing the geometric shapes from the geometric period in the Mycenaean.
I'm sure it's much more likely that the people living on the Anatolian coast never met the Hittites and have no relationship to Semites, and the fact they couldn't speak Greek until the 6th BC is nothing to worry about in terms of historical records of race, especially not when it points to their linguistic culture being a mix of Etruscan and Phrygian.

[Anonymous No.9841597]

>>9839505
But she's right, Rome was ethnically diverse. It was always ethnically diverse, even their origin myth states that they're all foreigners. Emperor Claudius even references this when trying to argue that citizens from Gaul should be allowed to run for office.

[Anonymous No.9841603]

>>9841597
>Claudius the fool who only became emperor because the Praetorians could control him without issue

[Anonymous No.9841612]

>>9841603
>A Roman emperor became an emperor because the military supported him

Whoa... what a shocking revelation. That has literally never, ever happened before.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9841690]

>>9841519
You literally believe that a group of Asians immigrated to Sparta and randomly decided to swap wives with Spartan natives; the same Spartan natives that would expose half-Helot infants. This is what you believe. I want that to be clear.

[Anonymous No.9841704]

>>9841612
I hope you know you're literally defending a cuckold.

what does that make you?

[Anonymous No.9841731]

>>9841704
He accomplished more than a dipshit teenager like you ever will in your entire life, so I guess that makes you inferior to a cuckold

[Anonymous No.9841821]

>>9841690
It's not what I believe. Read it again and see if you're clearer.

[Anonymous No.9841863]

>>9841731
>be Claudius
>born into Roman aristocracy
>grow up as maligned cripple and halfwit
> Praetorians make you Emperor as a joke and to increase their wages
> 2000 years later some leftist pseud takes your ideas about allowing Gaulic leaders into the Senate to justify mass African and middle Eastern immigration

[Anonymous No.9841883]

Shouldn't this thread be in /his/? Or /pol/?

[Anonymous No.9841886]

>>9841863
to be fair to Claudius, a lot of his line was only not plebeian due to being adopted by emperors

[Anonymous No.9841903]

>>9841519
>Suddenly Herodotus is a myth when it turns out he didn't agree with you?

Giant. Furry. Gold-mining. Ants.

Are you seriously taking Herodotus to be the authority on Bronze and Iron age population genetics?

[Anonymous No.9841918]

Also wew lads leave that woman alone.

[Anonymous No.9841924]

If these people found bleach in a pantry, they'd call it food.

[Anonymous No.9841931]

>>9841903
yes? all of that actually happen you brain dead nigger
>>9841924
>food analogies
every.fucking.time

[Anonymous No.9841940]

>>9841931
If these people found a nigger in Great Britain, they'd call him quintessentially British.

[Anonymous No.9841963]

>>9841903
Lost Persians in a sandstorm.

Everyone thinks making fun of Herodotus is fine, and then we find out he was right about another thing that we'd been laughing at for millennia. So since he's our closest source, and jives with another close source, I'd trust him more than Plutarch, yes.

[Anonymous No.9841982]

>>9839655
Yet she has to use subversive rhetoric to justify the usage of a Sub-Saharan African. I would be more content if he was a Berber, since that's realistic. Not everyone in Africa is Sub-Saharan; a fact many Westerners seem to ignore.

[Anonymous No.9842003]

>>9840357
>universities awarding 10 percent more A's on average invalidates PhD's who have studied in their fields for decades and got their degrees long before real grade inflation took place

Lynch yourself faggot.

[Anonymous No.9842011]

>>9841940
have you ever seen a brit?

[Anonymous No.9842041]

>>9841982
to be fair though, most of the empires in Africa were sub-Saharan.

[Anonymous No.9842056]

>>9839657
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.9842065]

>>9841603
Claudius probably exaggerated his speech impediment to survive tiberius's and caligula's reigns of terror. His reign was overall quite successful, and he deserves to be in the top ten emperors

[Anonymous No.9842077]

People take PJW seriously?

[Anonymous No.9842202]

>>9839648
Sure.

[Anonymous No.9842246]

>>9840092
>all this nonsense about albinos

Are you actually retarded?

Also, how is it so exceedingly hard for Afrocentrics to acknowledge that North Africans are markedly different from sub-saharan Africans. Carthage, the nation Rome most interacted with in the region, was of semetic stock: Dido and all that. The Pharoahs weren't black. Hannibal wasn't black. St. Augustine wasn't black. etc etc etc

[Anonymous No.9842258]

>>9840087
I thought the left loved immigrants?

[Anonymous No.9842296]

>>9840141
>accurate representation is a non-issue in art,

it depends on the art; in many genres verisimilitude is essential, for instance in historical fiction and even more so in simple historical narratives

[Anonymous No.9842327]

ITT: people angry online

[Anonymous No.9842329]

>>9840106

Wow, so race is so much a scientific fact that it can be determined by a 2,000-year-old skeleton? What other incredibly important facts about race can science tell us?

[Anonymous No.9842343]

>>9839553

North Africans were not niggers

[Anonymous No.9842370]

>>9841597
Yes, but you see, the difference here is the implication behind ethnically diverse.

I have no doubt Mary means the browning type of diversity here.

[Anonymous No.9842391]

>>9839589

"hybridae" would likely have referred to "liby-phoenicians", half native Libyan, half Carthaginian/Phoenician colonist, both lighter than modern Libyans who in turn are lighter than sub-saharans

A very clear distinction is drawn between Libyans and Maures or Moors (roughly modern Morocco), who are described as the "Ethiopians of the West" due to actually being black, unlike the Libyans, Numidians, etc.

>>9839637

There were probably a few hundred Romans of partial Libyan ancestry who were lighter than the average Welshman.

>>9840046
>"""Diverse"""

Are you suggesting that more than, maybe, 5% of the entire Island was anything other than Celt, Italic, or offspring of the two? Or are you saying that 5% is diverse? You make me glad I was only a history major for one semester either way

>>9839720
>>9839765

"Typical med" is a woefully over- and mis-used term, generally by people of northern european descent with a self-loathing agenda. The "typical med" looks nothing like the typical mid-easterner or Turk.

[Anonymous No.9842456]

>>9842246
>it hurts my feelings to know about genetics
so let's drop science and stick to history: you know ethiopia didn't drop off the map for them just because you'd like to only focus on a limited part of africa? that ethiopian type would be the black guy in the egyptian mural anon's trying to use as proof that libyans are white.

for centuries before carthage became great, they've already had knowledge of subsaharan africa, because the egyptians owned lands there; by the time that the romans conquer a small portion of that land, there are already greek sailors who have documented routes past the horn of africa and on to india.

by the time rome manages to conquer any of the sudan, ethiopia is already a christian nation, before rome. it's why they got the ark of the covenant to take home.

i'll assume you'll let the ethiopians be black? coming as they do from the erythra thalassa like the Phoencians who weren't Punic speakers for trade come from near Eritrea too :3 just, you know, according to the greeks and romans who weren't terribly afrocentrist at all,
rather than your feels which are pretty buttmad

the best part about all of this is of course that with hindsight that we have now, roman cities in north africa never lasted because of the sahara. by the time caesar died, hundreds of roman settlements had been swallowed up in the north african belt by the sahara encroaching north.
meanwhile, in subsaharan africa, the ethiopians go from strength to strength having been the first christian nation to an empire which lasted longer than the romans. other subsaharan nations like mali, benin and ghana wind up controlling more trade than the romans and threatening the british empire. the asanti get so large an empire off the back of selling slaves that they became such a threat to the british empire, the british went and tried to campaign to stop all slavery. and not the british empire when they're stuck on two islands, but when the sun never sets on it.

so yeah, there's a big difference between tyre and aksum. they both speak semitic languages, but ge'ez is older than any language spoken in libya. they're both semitic people but unfortunately, one of them has been portrayed as black since there has been history, so that kind of dicks with the theory that semites look less black. the big difference though is that carthage was fucking puny and short lived in overall comparison and only rose after tyre had already been fucked by the greeks and after the romans got rid of their competitors and gifted them islands.
but then the romans were puny and short lived by that comparison too, so i suppose i should clarify that Carthage, that great nation you're holidng up as Rome's lead counterpoint, was tiny in population. the phoencians couldn't hold their land against the greeks or babylonians. the Romans had to gift them sardinia and corsica for them to hold on to them. carthage only becomes great because tyre and sidon got fucked.

[Anonymous No.9842457]

>>9839527
My nigga Taleb

[Anonymous No.9842464]

>>9840106
>an

Yes.

Of course the typical Britain family in roman times was black....

[Anonymous No.9842480]

>>9842464
He's probably referring to the elder lady, so not the typical British family, but rather the typical ruling upper class elite of Romans in Britain. The slave fodder native British were whiter and blonder than most territories.

[Anonymous No.9842514]

>>9842480
No, he's clearly over-exaggerating the importance of a few Africans in roman Britain.

It's so obvious that the BBC/producers of that show have those black cartoon characters to fit in with modern times.

[Anonymous No.9842524]

>>9842514
No, the elder lady was clearly buried in high status markers of a Roman burial and would have been equivalent in status to a memshahib in Kenya. Except where the Kenyans are British hut dwellers

[Anonymous No.9842539]

>>9842456
where in the deep dark reaches of anchises' ass in the deep dark reaches of the underworld did you get this "history"?

[Anonymous No.9842554]

>>9842041
This isn't about Sub-Saharan Empires. This is about the Roman Empire.

[Anonymous No.9842572]

>>9842539
herodotus, the periplus of the erythean sea, appian, polybius, strabo, caesar, egyptian and babylonian murals, you know, the usual.

[Anonymous No.9842944]

>>9839505
What do you expect from cuck Island

[Anonymous No.9842989]

If Twitter didn't exist, you would just know Mary Beard as the Oxford lady who wrote the good book on Rome and has a kinda funny name. Solution: stop reading Twitter.

[Anonymous No.9843126]

>>9839505
>there are people here who actually think that "African Britains" existed or "Negro Roman centurions" existed

My God people you are being played. A few fucking skeletons are found and it's as if Britain was some multi-racial cesspool since the fucking beginning.

[Anonymous No.9844516]

Mary Beard responds:
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/roman-britain-black-white/

[Anonymous No.9844550]

All of these people are complicit in gutting the soul of England.

I'm currently reading the Lord of the Rings and you can feel the spirit of the old country deep in the folklore. What have these people done?

It's unspeakably sad.

[Anonymous No.9844605]

>>9844550
>What have these people done?
followed the evidence rather than rely on stupid shit like folk-spirit.

[Anonymous No.9844677]

>>9844605

t. Atomized

[Anonymous No.9844832]

>>9844605
There is no evidence for black roman generals. It is a lie, like most black history.

[Anonymous No.9844844]

>>9844832
yeah, there is. beard points this out. there are even black saints *shock*

[Anonymous No.9844899]

>>9844844
There were no black roman generals, just like there were no black norman barons or black celts which the series added.

Everybody is tired of black inferiority poisoning history.

[Anonymous No.9844914]

My only opinion on this is I just finished reading SPQR and it is by far the worst history book I've read about rome, and I've probably read a dozen or so. It's a topic I'm fascinated by, and I really struggled to pay attention to her bullshit most of the time.

[Anonyn No.9845187]

>>9839505
Black roman officer? no way.. black people we're only found as a slave or in the arena fighting lions and other gladiators.
Historical accuracy... sure if they're in the background holding vases of water/wine and such. Ethnic diversity? Well sure it was diverse but not the way it's portrayed in that picture.

The roman empire took much pride in their legion and would be very nitty picky on who becomes an officer/general. No way they would allow a gladiator/slave to join their army. Less he'd fought for his freedom in the arena. But still far off from being a centaur/officer/general

[Anonymous No.9845505]

>>9844516
You fags are embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.9845540]

>>9839505
Romans had Greek, Roman, German, African, Middle-Eastern, Asian and even more peoples in their empire, if only because at the height of Roman power the empire was JUST THAT BIG.

It's completely correct to say Rome was very diverse, even though some of those people were given less-than-roman status as citizens, they were still part of the empire.

[Anonymous No.9845542]

>>9845187
I think you're overlooking the Roman government never cared if you were from anywhere so long as you made the tax bill nice. They cut the tax bill after this led to the German invasion for a few years, but money and empire doesn't give a shit what colour you are, same as the British didn't give a shit the Gurkas are fucking maniacs or Asian.

And I'm pretty sure the empire, whatever its fucked up and hedonistic heritable madness years might have led you to believe from reading about Caligula or watching that movie, never made anyone, black or white or pygmy, into an actual centaur.

[Anonymous No.9845596]

Reminder that only brai nets with a political agenda and litteraly no knowledge on yhe question think that north africans were anything but light skined caucasoids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa

[Anonymous No.9845695]

>>9840427
it would translate as something like "we wuz kingz an shit"

erabamus is "we were"; so erebamus would be like "we wuz"

and there are no accents (i can't do them either) so "shit" and "and" are the only two words spelt right. there would be less vulgar and more poetic ways to say it so it fits the overall form. you're pretty aright at speaking latin badly, if that means anything to you.

[Anonymous No.9845782]

>>9845505
What? I was reading TLS online and I saw this and thought of the thread and came here to post it. That was my first post about this, here or anywhere else. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.9845843]

>>9845782
Anon thinks that every other Anon is one Anon, and yet somehow not himself. He's probably a Buddhist, ignore him.

[Anonymous No.9846494]

>>9839788
>BBC YouTube videos
>blame "burgers"

Europoor education

[Anonymous No.9846832]

>>9845540
It's also good to remember because the African campaigns were earlier, and because a lot of the way into Asia had been forged already, those places tended to get the offer of citizenship more than British people. It would be much stranger to have someone who wasn't already very high status like a local king become a citizen than to have an African whose grandfather fought with the Romans to gain citizenship. So when the Romans sent colonizing forces and settlers, they sent citizens and didn't send them to recruit the British for citizenship. There were a lot of Romans who were pale and had blond hair/red hair, but often it was a wig made from their Anglo/Irish slave, and was meant to make them look more like a mythical or classical Greek, like Alexander.

Thinking about it like they came over and said, you're all allowed vote now, is like thinking they let the Roman women vote.

There was much less chance for someone British to get citizenship through the army and distinguish their line of citizenship compared to anywhere they invaded earlier, especially compared to Africa. They just didn't colonize England long enough or well enough for them to grant as many citizenships there. Or for the natives to want them.

[Anonymous No.9848126]

>>9839790
How do I get a phd in Beyonce studies?

[Anonymous No.9848137]

>>9840139
He really isn't, sorry to rock your world like this.

[Anonymous No.9848240]

>>9839878
Can't find these videos.
But anyways, these are for kids, and half the kids in UK are brown, so maybe it will help them get interested in history.

[Anonymous No.9848367]

>>9839505
>>9839561
>>9839639
AYO HOL UP

[Anonymous No.9848374]

>>9839878

It's pretty easy to say that rome wasn't exclusively white when the idea of "white" didn't even exist in those times.

White, which really isn't even a tangible thing if you examine it, didn't really become an idea until the early 19th century or so.

That said, rome was not an ethnocentric culture, but that definitely didn't mean there were africans just strolling around everywhere in the palatine hill.

[Anonymous No.9848452]

>>9848374
>That said, rome was not an ethnocentric culture, but that definitely didn't mean there were africans just strolling around everywhere in the palatine hill.
rome environment would have selected for west africans, so it's not surprising to find black DNA. having a resistance to malaria in a swamp infested with mosquitos has some advantages.

[Anonymous No.9848725]

>>9839790
What's wrong with an academic studying how Beyonce has affected American/western culture? Beyonce is probably one of the biggest cultural figures of the 21st century, so how is studying 21st century American culture different than 18th century European?

[Anonymous No.9848732]

We wuz, etc

[Anonymous No.9849277]

Will this ever end?

[Anonymous No.9850678]

>>9839565
What the FUCK has happened to /lit/

[Anonymous No.9850685]

>>9839994
>black civilizations and achievements from the revisionists Eurocentric scholars who appropriated them for their own racist, colonial purposes.
The only thing you said that I agree with.

[Anonymous No.9850692]

>>9840348
>What the fuck are you morons even doing on /lit/?
It's a slow day on /pol/

["Anonymous" No.9850745]

>>9840092
>evidence of black people
>only be considered if they're subsaharan

[Anonymous No.9850907]

>>9848725
Lol shut up dude

[Anonymous No.9851061]

>>9839949
Random indian guy took a technicality to court therefore muh revisionism is true

[Anonymous No.9851073]

>>9840141
Kek, what are you talking about? There's not really anything of importancd suppressed about Hamilton outside of leftist circles.

[Anonymous No.9851094]

>>9842077
Hehe he looks silly xD
I now believe in revisionism

[Anonymous No.9851700]

>>9851061
reading might not be the hobby for you

[Anonymous No.9851708]

>>9850745
>we sent the aborigines to australia too
nigga the ancient world has more black people than ethopians, which is why they keep describing people as looking like ethiopians

[Anonymous No.9851711]

>>9848374
the idea of white did exist, it just meant northern barbarians who lived in huts and wore skins. invading the black people who were sitting on a lot of gold and the sea routes to the east makes a lot more sense than invading northern europe. even the vikings knew to go elsewhere

[Anonymous No.9851728]

>>9840665

>Equating the beginning of Opera and Opera when it arrived in the US

wew

[Anonymous No.9851731]

>>9851728
>not realizing it demonstrates there's been black people since the start
it's only since the rise of the grasping middle classes that we stopped having fun things like all black hamlet and mixed opera audiences

[Anonymous No.9851779]

>>9851731

For every Saint-Georges there were 10 white composers. Greatest opera composers are all white males ( Lully, Purcell, Wagner, Mozart, Verdi, Rossini etc...).

What is your point exactly?

[Anonymous No.9851811]

>>9851779
Your point seems to have shifted, if the objection was the timescale between the beginning of opera and its arrival in the US (which is long before Gershwin btw). How many composers in comparison to metropolitan France did you expect an island to produce? Oh wait, were all of those not born in France but still beat the French at French opera? kek. The implications of your goal post shifting are more fun than if you conceded the point.

[Anonymous No.9851826]

>>9839505
Rome was diverse just as modern day Japan is diverse.

[Anonymous No.9851855]

>>9840035
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.9851868]

>>9840092
>niggers are this stupid

[Anonymous No.9851887]

Imagine being so dumb that you get owned by fucking Taleb of all people.

[Anonymous No.9852307]

>>9840359
This is some next level /pol/-posting.

[Anonymous No.9852328]

>>9840357
I can tell you've never engaged with academia, because if you had, you'd have known better than to back your argument up with such a shoddy source. That website only exist(ed) in the popular conscious because Reddit took a shine to it. If you want to be taken seriously posting it, maybe head back there.

[Anonymous No.9852333]

>>9848725
>What's wrong with an academic studying how Beyonce has affected American/western culture?

tfw I pay taxes to support "academics" writing dissertation-length tweets

[Anonymous No.9852365]

>>9852328
I guess truth hurts, huh?

[Anonymous No.9852372]

>>9852365
It might. Without a credible source it's impossible to tell if what you've posted is truth or just butthurt.

[Anonymous No.9852889]

>let's invent a race in the 19th century and call it 'white' because European people have a more or less white skin
>oh no it seems like our creation is not so applicable to ancient history
who would've thought

but yea Alexander was blonde with blue eyes, just like the Egyptians and Mesopotamians

Everyone who was important in history was white!

Please believe me guys! I am white too and that means I am part of this group! Now I feel better about myself!!!!!!
White people are everywhere!! Romans were white I swear!!!

[Anonymous No.9853204]

I'm messing with a voice distorter. It's for a game.

Can someone vocaroo this for me? I did it myself, but I am not used to read English from previous centuries.

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/text.shtml

At once as far as Angels kenn he views
The dismal Situation waste and wilde, [ 60 ]
A Dungeon horrible, on all sides round
As one great Furnace flam'd, yet from those flames
No light, but rather darkness visible
Serv'd onely to discover sights of woe,
Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace [ 65 ]
And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
That comes to all; but torture without end
Still urges, and a fiery Deluge, fed
With ever-burning Sulphur unconsum'd:

[Anonymous No.9853354]

>>9853204
Forget it. I got it. Sorry for bothering you.

[Anonymous No.9853365]

>290 replies
>not /lit/ related
>>>/pol/ >>>/his/ >>>/kys/

lets bump this bitch to autosage

[Anonymous No.9853370]

[Anonymous No.9853372]

>>9839545
Oh fuck off

[Anonymous No.9853376]

[Anonymous No.9853380]

are there any books on why white boys cant compete?

[Anonymous No.9853392]

I and I shall witness as babylon shall falllll

[Anonymous No.9853395]

>autosage engaged

[Anonymous No.9853800]

>>9840331
>can conclude in 2000 years when they find my grave that China was full of white people?

Its funny that you mention it (it has nothing do this with this btw) but China found in their Tarim Basin a lot of mummies of people with blond hair and European ancestry. They try to surpress this fact and even tried to destroy some of the graves where they found the mummies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

[Anonymous No.9853896]

>>9853395

Few posts early, oldnewfag

[Anonymous No.9853913]

>>9839727
MOORS ARE NOT BLACCCCCKKKK

[Anonymous No.9853933]

>>9853913
indeed they used just black up for playing chess, adding minstrel shows to things the semites started

[Anonymous No.9854056]

>>9840806

[Anonymous No.9854117]

>race bait, misogyny bait thread
>over 300 replies
>/lit/

pull yourselves together.