>tfw there has been a Left-wing revival online in the past year

[Anonymous No.9663442]

The alt-right no longer have a hold on the counter-culture. Soon a newer Left which is even more intelligent and greater than the past Atheist and Feminist cringe stages that both Left-wingers and Alt-righters went through will arise which is funnier, wittier and more educated than the current Alt-right anti-intellectual morons.

I can't wait for the next 20 years. It will be like 1920s-1930s Russia and Germany except this time it will be accelerationist and hyper-culture. It will exist on the internet in superhuman form.

Saddle up, you're in for a paddlin'

[Anonymous No.9663447]

You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.9663449]

Maybe youll even get around to addressing our points about human biology huh?

[Anonymous No.9663450]

>>9663442
If this post is what the new super smart internet left looks like I don't think much will come of it

[Anonymous No.9663451]

>>9663442
http://tripleampersand.org/alt-woke-manifesto/
>#Alt-Woke Manifesto is the work of ANON. We are a collective of “Other.” Some of us are sex workers, some immigrants, many of us queer. There are even a few privileged white cucks amongst us. Nevertheless, ANON is largely the work and brainchild of People of Color (PoC). Our social disciplines are as varied as our identities, from journalists to dominatrixes. ANON are the intellectual cousins of #BlackLivesMatter divorced from liberalism. All inquires should be directed to: [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.9663456]

>>9663447
>>9663449
>>9663450
>>9663451
Typical boring 2015 era /pol/ speak. Yawn!

[Anonymous No.9663460]

>>9663456
You're lucky I like giving bait posters (You)s.

[Anonymous No.9663462]

>>9663460
Another (You) post. Yawn!

[Anonymous No.9663465]

>>9663462
Wow! You seem like a totally rad indi-vid-ual! I wish I was as cool as you!

[Anonymous No.9663468]

>>9663462
Another Yawn! post. Meh

[Anonymous No.9663474]

As a leftist, fuck the left.
This revival is going to be a fucking nightmare

[Sage No.9663477]

>>9663442
>He's delusional enough to not know that the pendulum is going to be swung far right for a long time from here on out
Yawn.

Also, stop posting politics on /lit/. A thread about literature that nobody here actually likes to talk about just died for this.

[Anonymous No.9663478]

SOCIALISM

WILL

WIN

[Anonymous No.9663492]

nothing remotely leftist will escape this century

[Anonymous No.9663500]

>>9663492
>Posting a guy who did an interview on Red Ice tv unironically

[Anonymous No.9663502]

I wonder why people want to see /ppl/ closed.
We already get enough bait threads and shitpost about topics as it is, if pol would close we'll be flooding in these threads and in poltards posts

[Anonymous No.9663504]

3rd position Marinetti's-futurism-inspired-progressivist fascism when

[Anonymous No.9663505]

I'm afraid the age of leftism has peaked, or at best is currently peaking. It's along road down from here. You'll watch things considered left see defeat after defeat in the coming years and say it doesn't matter, and then the second something leftist makes a minor or temporary gain you'll declare it a turning point.

[Anonymous No.9663516]

>>9663442
Yeah, cuz shilling for egalitarianism, open borders, Marxism and Islam can be just hilarious. I mean, it's 2017!?!

[Anonymous No.9663518]

>>9663516
>Yeah, cuz

Stopped reading, 16 year old.

[Anonymous No.9663521]

>>9663500
>not listening to the interview

[Anonymous No.9663528]

>>9663516
the current year stuff is just liberalism

[Anonymous No.9663529]

>>9663518
LOL good one! WTF I'm suddenly I'm realizing how hilarious the alt-woke movement really is!

[Anonymous No.9663532]

>>9663528
And that is different from this "neo-left" movement in what way?

[Anonymous No.9663534]

>>9663532
actual class consciousness

[Anonymous No.9663537]

>>9663442
KEK
E
K


Leftism is not counter culture. That's just retarded. You can't be a counter culture when ALL of the normies agree with you
Get off 4chan you disgusting faggot.

[Anonymous No.9663540]

>>9663534
You guys gonna take down the mean one puhcenters?

[Anonymous No.9663541]

>>9663540
yes

[Anonymous No.9663544]

i cannot believe so many people can get into politics and genuinely just not give a fuck about the people
establishment left and right are both atrocities that need to be broken down and reconstructed from scratch

[Anonymous No.9663550]

>>9663541
Whatcha gonna do when you realize that by taking down the one puhcenters you will have been attacking disproportionately Jews Mr. Tolerance?

[Anonymous No.9663551]

MAKE LYSENKOISM REAL AGAIN

CLASS WAR NOW

[Anonymous No.9663553]

>>9663534
>class

3spooky5me

[Anonymous No.9663559]

>>9663449

which are those lol

[Anonymous No.9663562]

>mfw people believe propaganda that tells them centrist and center right policies are actually EBUL LEFTIST POLICIES and don't realize that it's the right that's peaked
>mfw I watch Trump supporters and IWW members find common ground while fashy larpers sperg out in the background
Once the working class realizes that making sure BLM and AL Nusra won't take over their town of 6000 people and making sure Milo can speak at a liberal arts college with a 78% acceptance rate won't stop them from being exploited, they'll be mad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.9663570]

>>9663537
Still posting 2015 era memes. Boring!

[Anonymous No.9663577]

>>9663570
Let's see your High-Octane Super-Memes then.

[Anonymous No.9663593]

>>9663474
>as a person who has ethical and political commitments but doesn't actually believe in it or agree with him/herself
<ha ha

[Anonymous No.9663608]

>>9663562
>open borders, anti-white rhetoric, anti-capitalism
>center right

Uhhh, I don't think so amigo.

[Anonymous No.9663613]

>>9663544
Well the "right" was just subverted successfully and the "left" almost did it by electing the Alzheimer's communist guy.

[Anonymous No.9663614]

>>9663537
>You can't be a counter culture when ALL of the normies agree with you
Unless of course, you redefine politics as a constant encounter with the police order, and still are a prominent left wing intellectual :)

[Anonymous No.9663630]

>>9663614
>supporting the welfare state
>anti-police
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.9663643]

>>9663608
>anti-capitalism
You're perhaps right on the first two, but nobody in the mainstream (and almost nobody anywhere) is anti-capitalism.

[Anonymous No.9663787]

Fuck off commie scum. Normies are lefties. Left-wing isnt counter-culture, idiot. Capitalism will always reign supreme

[Anonymous No.9663800]

>>9663442
yes I too am enjoying summer break!!

[Anonymous No.9663804]

>Plebs talking about politics
Hahahahaha. Please stop, none of you guys know shit. Trying to deflect your personal problems into something.

[Anonymous No.9663811]

Both left and right are systems of control that need to be demolished, so that pseudo-humans can be deconditioned and reintegrated into ecology. Take the black pill, folks

[Anonymous No.9663833]

>>9663804
>Heh, none of you philistines know what you discuss. Just apes, mere apes, hooting about topics you do not understand. What? N-no, I can't be bothered to explain it to you. The enlightenment of my words would annihilate your primitive minds.

[Anonymous No.9663879]

>>9663787
>mainstream american liberals
>left-wing
Liberalism =/= leftism, read a book u mong. Democrats are center-right in basically every issue that isn't shitty posturing (immigration, muh genders, etc)

[Anonymous No.9663884]

>>9663442
>tfw there has been a Left-wing revival online in the past year

I take it you arent fammilar with the left of the 60s and 70s?

[Anonymous No.9663895]

>>9663811
how do you hope to liberate man from political control when you can't even liberate yourself from idiotic meme structures? Seeing someone use the "pill" format makes me instantly disregard their post tbqh

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9663907]

WHEN WILL THE PROGRESSIVE HEGEMONY IN THE ARTS END?

It's mind-destroying. Black women are just as capable at math as white men are; gay relationships are nearly as common as straight ones; trans is an identity that can change at a whim rather than a medical problem that takes years of hormone treatments and surgery to fix; being promiscuous is just as likely to lead to a fulfilling life as being monogamous and starting a family is; all regions are equally peaceful except for the evil fundamentalists Christians.

It's a giant lie that we're all perfectly aware of but are forced to accept because of the HR culture we've developed. It's like noticing the conspicuous lack of sex in Victorian novels, or the ubiquity of religious dogma in medieval literature. We've smashed the old taboos just to put up new, equally restrictive ones.

[Anonymous No.9663921]

>>9663442
In what universe? On the other hand, I still see the Alt-Right going strong (which is a meme, but nevertheless has followers).

[Anonymous No.9663937]

>>9663442
Ideal future: left and right both weaken, replaced by a wave of classical liberalism and a new commitment to rationality and strong liberal institutions. People realize that the left's criticisms of the right are accurate, and the right's criticisms of the left are also accurate, but ultimately both the left and the right are dumb. Society accepts that humans aren't equal, but also accepts that individuals should not be judged based on the averages of the groups that they belong to. Race realism becomes acceptable, but institutional racism (including both anti-minority racism and affirmative action) is rejected. There is widespread support for small, but not too small, government with minimal but well chosen social safety nets. SJWs, commies, alt-rightists, and fascists return to utter marginalization. Leftists realize that we should have better border security, more effective policing of crime, and some degree of legal gun ownership. Rightists realize that we should legalize drugs, keep abortion legal, and keep religion out of politics. Libertarians realize that their ideals are noble but too small of a government is impractical. Everyone realizes that the national security apparatus is too bloated and could use some cuts.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9663946]

>>9663937
The vision your described is to the right of the National Review. This is by no means "liberal" in the contemporary sense.

[Anonymous No.9663977]

>>9663946
>to the right of the National Review.
Which aspects of it? I've never read much of that magazine.

[Anonymous No.9663978]

I don't deny that this is happening, but given demographic trends and rising ethnic conflict, it's not going to go anywhere unless the left decides to go Nazbol, which they won't.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9663985]

>>9663977
It's a conservative publication of note that influences most even remotely intellectual Republicans, and you're to the Right of them on racial realism, affirmative action, and immigration. The overton window is so far Left that even the vision you laid out would be considered too conservative for most modern progressives.

[Anonymous No.9663986]

>>9663977
Cont... I suppose race realism is automatically considered right-wing because it is so anathema to the left, although to me its merits really just depend on correspondence to reality rather than based on any political value system... so I don't consider race realism to be "right wing". But I'm aware that mainstream society disagrees.
One thing I'll say is, it's annoying being a race realist and having alt-rightists assume that you're one of them because of it. No guys, just because I believe that intelligence is probably significantly affected by genetics doesn't mean that I support authoritarian populist nationalism. Meanwhile, of course, many leftists assume you're an evil hateful racist if you start discussing such issues.
As for "liberal", I'm certainly using the word in its old meaning.

[Anonymous No.9663993]

>>9663937
So, national socialism?

[Anonymous No.9663994]

>"Republicans are the new punk,” said Sabo, echoing a slogan on his T-shirt also adorned with an image of Trump in a three-piece suit, looking rather rakish, giving the finger. “I’m pretty much the only right-winger doing guerrilla art. I’m like patient zero, the first one doing this on our side.”

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/jun/21/rightwing-street-artist-sabo-donald-trump-la

[Anonymous No.9663998]

>>9663442

Polls have shown that Donald Trump is making the rest of the world more liberal. He is such an embarrassment to right-wing causes that he is actually pushing forward the leftist movement at rapid speed.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9663999]

>>9663986
Once you accept that there's a natural hierarchy to people and to races, and that some of our abilities and preferences are biologically determined rather than culturally instantiated, then you're Right wing. Progressive ideology is predicated on the notion economic, social, and material conditions are what cause disparities between people. You fundamentally disagree with this view, which makes you Right wing.

[Anonymous No.9664003]

>>9663985
That makes sense. The way I look at things, the left/right dichotomy fails to accurately map the territory. I think that a much more accurate map has roughly 3 or maybe even 4 poles:
1) The Left
2) Mainstream Republican-type right (lip service to small government, but in reality supporters of big government - however, also respect constitutional norms and support free trade. Usually socially conservative.)
3) Trumpism, alt-rightism, neo-fascism, and in general, populist nationalism (often with authoritarian components. Usually socially conservative.)
4) Classical liberalism
So to say that my views are "right-wing" isn't accurate, although I understand why people would say it. My views are "right-wing" *only* in the sense that they are not left-wing. There is as much distance between my views (4) and the conventional "right" (2 and 3) as there is between my views and the left.
It's unfortunate that due to the particular development of modern politics, anything that's not left-wing is dubbed "right". I don't consider myself right-wing at all.

[Anonymous No.9664007]

>>9663999
>trips
>tripfag

Jesus, did you just stain my mountain tops?

[Anonymous No.9664011]

>>9664003
>often with authoritarian components

I've never understood this. If most people in a country don't want more immigration, is it not authoritarian to FORCE them to have more immigrants?

[Anonymous No.9664013]

>>9663999
I disagree. See: >>9664003
Basically, I think that calling everyone who isn't leftist "right-wing" makes the term "right-wing" meaningless. There is as much distance between my views and those of the alt-right, for example, as there is between my views and those of leftists. So it's rather absurd if I were to be considered "right-wing" simply because I am not a leftist and I agree with alt-rightists on a few hot-button issues, while disagreeing with them on everything else.

[Anonymous No.9664018]

>>9664011
That's why I wrote "often". Obviously not all anti-immigration types are authoritarian. However, there is a certain political grouping of people who are both anti-immigration *and* authoritarian —neo-fascists fall into this grouping.

[Anonymous No.9664024]

>>9663993
Not at all. I support free trade and free markets, am anti-authoritarian, am socially liberal, and literally the only way in which I am a nationalist is that I support tighter immigration controls. I certainly have no use for emotional nationalism or national revival movements, and I deeply distrust populism.

[Anonymous No.9664029]

>>9664013
Well I mean theres commies, libtards, facists, and basically hitlers.


And that's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.9664037]

>mfw the rise of reactionary ideology is a direct result of brainlet millennials only being able to think of egalitarianism like neo-libs who can only see people as contributions to global or national utility, unequal since including group X in our population stops us from maximizing our national utility function where utility is ultimately strictly material
>the logical conclusion of this idea isn't racial utopia, it's hyper-eugenics then human extinction
>this might be prevented in places with strong national identity, but certainly won't in hell holes like the
US where whites shoot each other and send bombs to each other for having the wrong political opinion
>internet reaction will destroy the US
>mfw I'm ok with this
>>9663937
This doesn't seem super far-right at all unless you assume race realism only manifests as FUCK NIGGERS FUCK ZOG 1488 (Now with graphs!)

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664044]

>>9664013
Your problem with the labeling is not realizing that the alt-right represents the extreme version of the Right, as far from the norm as those progressives who fly the hammer and sickle. The views you expressed are closer to mainstream conservatism than they are to anyone who considers themselves a liberal in the modern sense. A "classical liberal" is someone who reads Edmund Burke, and he's the hero of every intellectual conservative Republican today. In modern parlance, you're Right wing.

Even in not-so-modern parlance, the term "Right wing" always meant an acceptance of hierarchies as natural. Even in the term's inception, "Right wing" perfectly encapsulates the views you expressed.

[Anonymous No.9664055]

>>9663937
this desu

[Anonymous No.9664065]

>>9664044
But the alt-right doesn't actually *just* represent an extreme version of that ideology which beings by accepting human difference. Yes, that's one component of the alt-right. However, the alt-right also has a very strong current of longing for 1) authoritarianism and 2) social conservatism. Classical liberalism, on the other hand, has no innate overlap with either authoritarianism or social conservatism. So what do I call myself, as someone who believes in human difference but is also fairly anti-authoritarian and socially liberal? I'm also a big proponent of free markets, which is a divisive issue on the so-called "right", with some "right-wingers" being fully for them and others espousing protectionism and even corporatism. If I called myself "right-wing", I would be lumping myself in with people who disagree with me about almost everything except the existence of innate human difference.

[Anonymous No.9664068]

Anti-intellectualism is the alt-right's greatest asset. The left is too mired in academic sterility to be relevant.

[Anonymous No.9664071]

>>9663986
Race realism isn't real. It is a way for the right wing to try to legitimize racism instead of trying to understand economic and political structures that account for their supposed statistics. "I'm a race realist" is the political equivalent of "I hate them niggers, but I'm not racist because I have a black friend".

[Anonymous No.9664074]

>>9663449
>pol shitters thinking their pseudo-science inforgraphics on race are valid in any way

Kek and lel. Points about gender differences are valid and fairly well understood tho

[Anonymous No.9664076]

>>9664071
Race realists dont have black friends they just hate blacks.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664080]

>>9664068
The alt-right isn't anti-intellectual. It's much more intellectual than the cultural conservative movement of the 90s. Alt-righters read Pinker, Murray, and Hoppe. They're not dumb.

[Anonymous No.9664081]

>>9664065
You're centrist or center-right. Don't listen to the faggot who's whining how the Overton Window oppresses him. He thinks liberalism is right wing because internet righties love to feel oppressed by the system. They're kinda like hippies without the sex.
>>9664071
>>9664074
>>9664076
Thanks in advance for derailing the thread

[Anonymous No.9664083]

>>9664081
This thread was meant to derail.

[Anonymous No.9664085]

>>9664071
Race realism isn't necessarily "black people are dumber than white people". Race realism is simply being open to the *possibility* that intelligence and other such characteristics have a strong genetic component, rather than rejecting it on account of the taboo that exists against the idea in mainstream society. It's true, there are many so-called "race realists" who are just emotionally-driven racists who use the concept of "race realism" as a cover. However, when I say "race realism" I mean a true, unbiased stance that is open to being modified new information. Personally, the evidence I've seen leads me to believe that intelligence probably does vary by race, with whites doing better than blacks on average. However, I am completely open to having my stance modified by new information and/or argument. And one important way in which I differ from most alt-rightists is that I vehemently oppose the idea of making the consequences of such investigations a political matter. I insist that the law treats individuals based on their individual characteristics, rather than based on the characteristics of groups that those individuals belong to. I also think that from the point of view of morality and just plain good manners, it is also best to have the same attitude in one's personal life.

[Anonymous No.9664101]

When is Bernie's religious test going to be nation-wife?

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664110]

>>9664065
First of all,people like Gavin Mcinnes and Milo Yiannopoulos demonstrate that the alt-right isn't all that concerned with social conservatism Second, like I keep saying, Right wing conservatism and the alt-right aren't synonymous. A classical liberal, someone who believes in free speech, free markets, free association, etc. (i.e. a Burkean), is a conservative. Words cannot be separated from their culture context, and the "classical liberal" views you expressed are also conservative despite the term's inclusion of the word "liberal."

[Anonymous No.9664116]

gen-X poasters have become a real problem

[Anonymous No.9664126]

>>9663999
>no natural hierarchy
Keep telling yourself that.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664134]

>>9664126
I'm not saying that natural hierarchies don't exist. I consider myself Right wing.

[Anonymous No.9664136]

>>9664110
>Gavin McGinnis and Milo
>alt right
The alt right is a white identity movement that seeks to combat jewish cultural hegemony. So why are you under the impression that a guy who's married to a non white and a gay jew are considered a part of it?

Don't respond, I know why: because you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.9664142]

>>9664110
>First of all,people like Gavin Mcinnes and Milo Yiannopoulos demonstrate that the alt-right isn't all that concerned with social conservatism
No, but it seems to me that the vast majority of the alt-rightists whom I see online are socially conservative, and many want to impose it on others.
>Right wing conservatism and the alt-right aren't synonymous.
We're in agreement there. But that's precisely why I don't label myself "right-wing". I don't want to categorize myself in the same group as the anti-free market populists, the religious fundamentalist crazies, the white nationalists, the hypocrites who speak of small government and then vote to expand the military, and all the other people who are lumped in together as "right-wing" despite their mutual differences.
I understand that "classical liberal" is also misleading given the modern meaning of the word "liberal" in the US. I just don't know what would be a better label. "Libertarian" also has the problem of being too broad (plus I think the word sounds goofy) —my views are more or less aligned with those of moderate libertarians, but are very different from those of the more extreme libertarians because, while I sympathize with the desire for a very small government, I simply don't think it's practicable.
And "centrist" makes it seem as if my views are defined by being a sort of average or compromise of all other positions, rather than standing on their own merits.

[Anonymous No.9664150]

>>9664126
you're retarted

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664151]

>>9664136
There's the alt-right movement, which is about ethnic nationalism. Then there's the alt-light movement (i.e. Milo, Gavin), who care more about civic nationalism. The media refers to both as "alt-right", so I decided to lump the two together. Their views do overlap on many issues, and both groups love Trump.

[Anonymous No.9664165]

>>9664142
>the vast majority of the alt-rightists whom I see online are socially conservative, and many want to impose it on others.
The alt right is a reaction to the jews and the unwitting white zombies unaware of who's leading them to their own destruction imposing 3rd world diversity on everyone else. Don't misconstrue what's going on here.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664167]

>>9664142
Read this book. You're basically just a standard moderate, young conservative libertarian. Don't let the alt-right define an entire side of the ideological spectrum; they're as representative of the Right as communists are of the Left.

[Anonymous No.9664174]

>>9664151
Well, you shouldn't lump them together in the future. The alt lite is nothing more than the subversive kosher reaction to the alt right.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664185]

>>9664174
>whites are more successful than blacks due to their higher IQ
>Jews are more successful than whites due to muh ZOQ conspiracy, not their higher IQ
You people are retards

[Anonymous No.9664192]

reminder that being left or right is embarrassing

[Anonymous No.9664203]

>>9664185
The average IQ of Israeli jews is in the mid-90s. Jews are nepotistic tribalists, and that is how they came to control things like Hollywood, which they subsequently made into a propaganda machine that pumps out annual holocaust films. But now I understand why (((you))) were obfuscating before, tsk tsk, Shlomo.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664229]

>>9664203
Israelis are made up Sephardic Jews, Arab Jews, and Arab non-Jews. Ashkenazi Jews (i.e. European Jews) are the ones with the naturally higher IQ, and the ones who are disproportionately represented in positions of power because of this.

>Jews are nepotistic tribalists
You mean like every other fucking group in the world? They became especially tribal because they spent over a thousand years being ostracized by Christians in Europe, they had to develop a sort of ethnic solidarity in order to survive.

[Anonymous No.9664239]

>>9663442
The left must be completely, 100% ridiculed and unpopular to the general public before it can have a revival

[Anonymous No.9664240]

I would support left-wing political movements on the economy and social care, but their positions on mass immigration, cultural masochism, and capitulation to Islamic extremism is disastrous.

[Anonymous No.9664242]

>>9664167
>tfw have to be lumped in with conservatards

Right-Libertarians: We need to establish limited government and individual freedom.

Conservatards: HOL UP, HOL UP
What about the part where we're supposed to establish repressive and xenophobic moral norms which are totally not derived from irrelevant 3,000 year old sanitation codes and which have the totally opposite effect of what we intend?

Right-Libertarians: Ok, I'm not sure that's a very good ide-

Conservatards: REEEEEEEEEE, ACCEPT JESUS INTO YOUR HEART

Leftists: Wow, you guys are dumb.
Hey, since the conservatives have hijacked the liberal paradigm, we can call anyone advocating for it a crypto-Nazi and hide within our post-structuralist social justice pillow fort until we get over the fact that the Soviet Union was an utter moral atrocity and economic failure.

Right-Libertarians: G-guys pls stop...

[Anonymous No.9664249]

>>9664167
I'll take a gander at the book, thanks.
Problem is, it seems to me that the alt-right is only one aspect of the schizophrenia and weirdness of modern US-style conservatism. There are also the religious crazies... and the militarists... and the economic nationalists (not all of whom are alt-right)... and the flat-out crooks and con artists. Conservatism seems to be positively overrun with people who don't actually represent what you and I see as true conservatism.

[Anonymous No.9664254]

leftists are genuinely retarded. You are the most pseudo-intellectual faggots of all time and your deaths in a future civil war will be fun to watch

[Anonymous No.9664269]

>>9664165
But the kind of alt-rightists who believe that Jews are subverting the Western world also usually seem to think that all social liberalism is part of this alleged Jewish plot, and is fundamentally wrong. Most of them seem to long for some sort of reversion to social conservatism. Which makes me think that they would probably be social conservatives/reactionaries even if they did not believe in any sort of Jewish plot.

[Anonymous No.9664271]

>>9664229
Do you really think people are still buying this "poor me" spiel? Jews aren't *a* tribe, they're *the* tribe. And their rise to power, which was largely due to naive whites buying the fake victim narrative you're trying to advance here, is the main reason why the west is now in decline. Jews are why white nations are in massive debt, why we're continuing to fight wars in the middle east to protect Israel, why disgusting porn is abundant, why our media is a lie machine, and why we're now being invaded. Jews promote these things. And jews have never run anything, which is why whenever they are given power in a white nation they try to run it into the ground. Whites must remember that jews are not like us. They are desert semites and very bad people like their arab cousins. I'm glad you're namefagging, though, so your own diversionary tactics on this site can be easily seen through, like how you telling people that jews are a part of the alt right.

[Anonymous No.9664287]

>>9664269
I mean, your post is symbolic of misunderstanding how jews operate. They push for things that undermine their host culture and they've been doing this since Egyptian times. "Normative inversion" is what this has been referred to. Liberalism, or what that word has come to mean, is merely the current iteration of their strategy.

You should read the Culture of Critique if you want to understand the jewish problem; that will make you less likely to repeat jewish talking points about jewish power being a "conspiracy theory." People conspire -- especially semitic tribes who are 4th cousins of one another due to inbreeding.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664290]

>>9664242
Belief in religion and xenophobia are inherent aspects of human nature. They're not the result of some sort of corrupt ideological system, they're part of our human intuition and have to be sublimated. What makes the Right superior even in its worst forms is that it acknowledges the existence of inherent human psychology either implicitly or explicitly. So in a sense, being frightened of outsiders is closer to the "truth" than believing that all men are created equal: the former belief accepts the natural human intuition of being fearful of people who aren't like your are (throughout human history outsiders have almost always meant bad news for your particular tribe), and the latter is an ideological dam intended to keep those destructive human emotions at bay.

[Anonymous No.9664292]

>>9664271
It's tiresome to argue with people like you. You're not here to have a discussion, you're here to preach your cult programming. You think you've taken the red pill but what you don't realize is that the "red pill" you thought you took was just a different blue pill. You escaped from the cult of mainstream society into the smaller cult of online neo-Nazis. I can already see how the conversation with you will go... anything anybody says to you, you will either discount as Jewish lies or ignore. You will keep making historically inaccurate or half-accurate statements and you will exaggerate the real disproportionate influence that Jews have into a comic book supervillain master narrative of all reality.

[Anonymous No.9664299]

>>9664292
t. leftist faggot

[Anonymous No.9664300]

>>9664287
Obviously Jews have a hugely disproportionate amount of power. No objective observer of reality would dispute that. However, that does not mean that Jews are responsible for all leftism, that they are fundamentally wicked, that they form a monolithic bloc that rules the world, that anything is fundamentally bad about social liberalism, or that we should become neo-Nazis. Non sequitur.

[Anonymous No.9664311]

>>9664254
I am surprised you figured out how to post here, Cletus. How's the internet connection out there?

[Anonymous No.9664313]

>>9664292
If I was the one lying here, I would be the one making up fake terms, like "neo-notsee."

Listen, the days when the populace wad immune to understanding the jewish problem in its full depth are over. There is a reason why jews have been kicked out of over 100 nations. It's because of their behavior, and their proclivity to blame others instead of realizing that this is a problem within themselves.

That's why it's happened again and again, and why it's about to happen again. It's not anyone else's fault, only your own.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664316]

>>9664271
Here's your mistake: certain people are responsible for both the successes and the mistakes of the modern West, but because Jews are over-represented in positions of power (due to their higher verbal IQ), then whenever something goes wrong on a large scale you see a disproportionate number of Jews behind it. The problem is that stuff always goes wrong in every society, and if Jews didn't exist you'd be blaming either the rich or the oligarchs or whatever. You're just upset that there's a tribe of people who have more power than your particular tribe, just like the black people who blame white people for all of their problems.

[Anonymous No.9664318]

>muh left
>muh right
>muh liberty
>muh equality

Meanwhile each African is having 7 children, the population of the continent is exploding, and in a few decades they are all going to migrate to Europe, North America, Australia, and everywhere else dumb enough to accept them.

The future is African tribal warfare and white people as slaves at best. I, for one, think we will become mere legends, like the Tuatha de Danann to the Indo-European Irish peoples.

[Anonymous No.9664319]

>>9664313
You sound like some sort of algorithmic neo-Nazi statement generator. I could probably write a bot that would be almost indistinguishable from you. Predictably, you are failing to engage intellectually with what others are saying and are instead flinging unsupported allegations and accusations that others can't see the truth because they are biased.

[Anonymous No.9664323]

>>9664300
I think you should try to do a better job of not assuming you understand other people's positions and as a result putting words in their mouth. No one said jews are responsible for all leftism. Please read the Culture of Critique if you want to understand the issue under discussion more thoroughly.

[Anonymous No.9664324]

>>9664311
fantastic insult there my friend, keep up the good work

[Anonymous No.9664326]

>>9664318
So just close the borders. Stop taking in so many immigrants. Africans don't have the military power to invade the white parts of the world and, given the existence of nuclear weapons, they almost certainly never will.

[Anonymous No.9664332]

>>9664323
It's on you to at least try to adequately explain your position and not just tell other people that they should first go read a book before engaging in discussion with you, while you don't make any attempt to summarize the contents of the book or do anything else of the sort.

[Anonymous No.9664333]

>>9664326
Who would win, arguments for closing the borders or pictures of a dead African baby in the beaches of Libya?

[Anonymous No.9664334]

>>9664290
I agree with much of that, but I still reject overt, ideological conservatism.

[Anonymous No.9664338]

>>9664316
This is the delusional mind of the jew in full glory reflected. Nothing is ever his fault, and he of course always acts in the interest of the people in his host nation, and most certainly does not work toward advancing his own interests instead ... no way! He is history's scapegoat.

This is why you get shoah'd again and again. And why you'll never learn until someone finally finishes the job. This is a parasite, people, in human form. It can only live off of others.

[Anonymous No.9664340]

>>9664333
>pictures of a dead African baby in the beaches of Libya

wtf i hate borders now

#Europe4Everyone

[Anonymous No.9664342]

>>9664319
Not seeing the argument, Moshe.

[Anonymous No.9664345]

>>9664333
It depends on many other factors - how the economy is doing, etc. People who want to limit immigration shouldn't just give up and assume that they can't win by argument, or rail against democracy like some do. They should come up with better arguments. Against the picture of the dead baby, for example, one might ask why the baby was born to begin with - why the inhabitants of an impoverished continent decided that having children was a good idea. It's not black or white, either everyone is convinced or no-one. Some people won't be convinced no matter what. But many others can be reached.

[Anonymous No.9664351]

>>9664332
When you miss the mark this badly, I'm going to ask you to educate yourself before weighing in on the thing you clearly know little about. It's not unreasonable, it's a just a book and you're a tenacious reader I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.9664352]

>>9664338
>>9664342
Ah yes, accusing the other person in the online conversation of being Jewish. If I put together a list of /pol/tard habits, that would certainly be in the top 20. I don't see your arguments.

[Anonymous No.9664364]

>>9664324
>calls leftists retarded
>posts graphic critical of tumblr liberals

[Anonymous No.9664365]

>/pol/ thinks /leftypol/ cares about idpol, Islam, Feminism and the like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4HojrYcVck

[Anonymous No.9664366]

>>9664352
I've never even posted on pol. Do you think that the only people who understand the jewish problem come from there? Please don't waste people's time if you have nothing to say.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.9664367]

>>9664338
I'm not Jewish. My favorite artist of any medium is Richard Wagner, and I despise the progressive ideology. Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.9664371]

>>9664342
>arguing with nazis

Fuck off back to /pol/. I'm not going to stoop down to validating your views by responding to them seriously.

I don't care how many charts, statistics, or graphs you cough up either. If they're posted by a nazi, they're as good as false.

[Anonymous No.9664372]

>>9663442
What happened to this board? It used to have intelligent people and good discussion?

[Anonymous No.9664373]

>>9664365
>/leftypol/ think its ideology matters outside of Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela

[Anonymous No.9664375]

>>9664366
You literally have nothing to say but ad hom and admit as such

[Anonymous No.9664378]

>>9664366
Ok fine, stormfag not /pol/tard. Same thing. How about you summarize your arguments rather than telling me to go read a book? First, please lay out the scope of power you believe the Jews have and the nature of the Jewish conspiracy. Then explain what you wish would be done about it. Also please communicate your attitude toward social liberalism and why you hold it and your attitude toward free markets and why you hold it.

[Anonymous No.9664381]

>>9664367
Being a shabbos goy is even worse. You're defending a people who hate you and are actively working against your interests. I hope you will educate yourself on the jewish problem before you rush to their defense next time. Pic related is a good place to start. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.9664384]

Smart people are all communist because of the appeal of a planned society is irresistible to the people who would be the planners.

[Anonymous No.9664385]

>>9664366
Oh, and also please explain what you think about authoritarianism and what the political structure of the US should look like.

[Anonymous No.9664386]

>>9664371
Sorry, but I've never posted on pol, so I cannot "go back" there.

[Anonymous No.9664392]

>>9664381
>You're defending a people who hate you and are actively working against your interests.
Do you know any Jews outside the Internet?

[Anonymous No.9664396]

>>9664373
True, now lets all maximize Porky's profits. The wealth will trickle down of these days.

[Anonymous No.9664398]

>>9664378
Not sure what a stormfag is either. I'm not here to give a treatise, I'm here to point you in the right direction so you will better understand the world you live in. Is there something specific you would like to know about jews that you feel you are uninformed about? I'd be happy to answer, even despite your goyish naiveté.

[Anonymous No.9664404]

>>9664392
I've known many. Dated them, grew up around them.

[Anonymous No.9664405]

>>9664396
But, my dear commie, you are the Porky.

[Anonymous No.9664407]

>>9664392
Not the guy you're talking to, but it's pretty well known that Jews at best despise, at worst feel genocidal hatred, towards goyim.

[Anonymous No.9664410]

>>9664384
Central planning is only a facet of marxist-leninism, a small subset of marxism which is itself only a subset of socialist/far leftist doctrine/ideology (despite what marxist purists and anti-marxist crusaders would tell you).

If this is your reasoning against MLs than so be it but it is a terrible one against socialism/communism as a whole

[Anonymous No.9664411]

>>9664405
Why does /pol/ not understand liberals aren't Communists? Has anyone on /pol/ even read the criticism in Capital?

[Anonymous No.9664412]

>>9664404
Did they hate you?

[Anonymous No.9664413]

>>9664398
I asked a few things already.
>>9664378
>>9664385

[Anonymous No.9664414]

>>9664405
Terrible retort. Please try to do better

[Anonymous No.9664422]

>>9664407
Can you name or think of a single jew who holds/expresses those views in an influential setting and is not a porky?

[Anonymous No.9664428]

>>9664411
Liberalism is an auxiliary line to communism. Even your communist friends admit that here >>9663451

>>9664414
Many communists despise the Eastern Bloc regimes and identify in them not their desires, but a form of national socialism. It was because of that that Soros funded opposition to them.

[Anonymous No.9664430]

>>9664412
Why would they? I'm a handsome, charming, and upstanding guy. Since I can see where you're trying to go, I'll say, what you should try to understand is that jews don't think individualistically as Europeans do. They are known as "the tribe" and they always do what's in the best interest of their tribe. Their motto is "Is it good for the jews?"

[Anonymous No.9664433]

>>9664414
Capitalism is the biggest proponent of the big-bad "globalism". Why should national borders interfere with free trade? I love how traditional dress is being replaced by Adidas and Nike western clothes. I love how you can find the golden arches in nearly every country.

[Anonymous No.9664440]

>>9664428
It is entirely ahistorical to label the soviet blocs during this time period as a symbol of "national socialism" or anything resembling that. And this flies in the face of the bottom highlighted section regarding the express desire to open the society to more "freedom of commerce", something that actually was seen in the soviet society at the time and certainly not just empty rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.9664442]

>>9664413
That's quite a lot to ask. I want to do what's in the long term interests of European people, and preserve European genotypes and phenotypes. That's really all that matters to me, and any issues I have with jews stem from their interest in promoting the opposite.

[Anonymous No.9664443]

>>9664433
That development was planned by crypto-communists like Milton Friedman who unleashed global capitalism as a prelude to revolutionary communism, like Marx himself wanted.

Prior to the 1960s, capitalism didn't have the same destructive tendencies because it was built on a moral basis of religious values. The Jews destroyed that on the cultural sphere, at the same time their cousins unleashed neoliberal capitalism on the economic sphere.

[Anonymous No.9664444]

THIS IS A LITERATURE BOARD

F*CK OFFF MY BOARD, REDNIGGERSNECKS FAGGOTS !!!!!!!
>>>/pol/
>>>/leftpol/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.9664448]

>>9664428
The very definition of liberalism has always and will always presuppose capitalism. Very few outside of those who have consumed the propaganda of the US and similar nations would ever make that claim out of anything but ignorance

[Anonymous No.9664449]

>>9664444
>quad 4's

[Anonymous No.9664452]

>>9664444
see
>>9664372
We were here long before you, newfag

[Anonymous No.9664468]

>>9664443
>Prior to the 1960s, capitalism didn't have the same destructive tendencies because it was built on a moral basis of religious values.
Go read about capitalism and the rights of workers in the 1800s-1920s. Capitalism has never been "moral". As an obvious and well-known example, go read about the matchgirls.

[Anonymous No.9664471]

>>9664448
>The very definition of liberalism has always and will always presuppose capitalism.

Not necessarily, you can have economic liberalism and a communist political system, such as China and Vietnam, but also political liberalism and a non-capitalist economical system such as, according to certain authors, Japan.

[Anonymous No.9664473]

>>9664443
This is one of the most absurd comments I've ever read.
>Prior to the 1960s, capitalism didn't have the same destructive tendencies because it was built on a moral basis of religious values.
Yeah, I'm sure all those late 19th century factory workers getting lung diseases and those Africans getting their hands chopped off in the Congo would agree with you.

[Anonymous No.9664477]

>>9664468
>Go read about capitalism and the rights of workers in the 1800s-1920s

Where can I find such literature that is not communist propaganda?

[Anonymous No.9664480]

>>9664452
/his/
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature.
Literature and meme political issues such a gender and race are not philosophy.

You guys are breaking the rules. Just yesterday a r9k use this board to justify his ideals of woman and now Sjw/pol.

[Anonymous No.9664481]

>>9664473
I'm not talking about that. Those workers may get lung diseases, but at least they married and had a more or less patriarchal family.

[Anonymous No.9664482]

>>9664433
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but yes this is a negative development that socialists disapprove
>>9664443
Friedman was not a crypto-communist in the slightest (though I assume this is expressed out of shame of learning all the biggest libertarian philosophers/thinkers were as or even more jewish than for any other ideology). The rest of your drivel is clearly ahistorical as the problems inherent in capitalism were addressed as early as the system appeared. There's a reason that Adam Smith even reads as a lefty if you revisit his works. Because they all know that a free market system would always be untenable in the long run as the contradictions bore out

[Anonymous No.9664484]

>>9664480
*Philosophy and meme political issues such a gender and race are not literature

[Anonymous No.9664490]

>>9664480
What board do you think we're on right now? And you're free to point out where I mentioned gender or race. I don't give a damn about either except to refute the idea by people here that they are important in any way.

[Anonymous No.9664496]

>be /pol/
>hear lefties build themselves a hugbox at cripple's
>bait the fuck out of them
>doesn't work, somehow they are not triggered by usual liberal bait
>be persistent and lurk
>notice their sectarian infightings
>lurk more
>biggest issue seems to be between tankies and anarkiddies
>pretend to be both sides and add fuel to the flames
>works, but it needs to be more efficient
I wish it stopped there but...

>read up some of their theories to make my shitposts more efficient
>hey, they are coherent
>hey, that actually makes sense
>hey, he has a point there
>hey, this has absolutely nothing to do with modern day liberalism
>have a fucking crisis of faith, because why am I alt-right again, expect for my deep hatred of liberalism and feminism?
>what is the philosophical motor behind what I do
I can not unread it! I can not return to the point where I was before! I need a red pill fast!

[Anonymous No.9664499]

>>9664490
Race and gender are extremely important, and inform nearly everything about who we are. To say otherwise is stupid and absurd.

[Anonymous No.9664503]

>>9664496
The trick is to read the leftcom literature and become so smug that you can shit on most lefties just as much as before.

[Anonymous No.9664505]

>>9664490
Read the thread, poltard.
You guys arent talking about literature.

[Anonymous No.9664508]

>>9664444
>>9664480
It's not like this board is overflowing with great high-quality literature discussions that this thread is pushing down.

[Anonymous No.9664509]

>>9664499
As a /lit/ poster once told me, "meme political issues such a gender and race are not literature"

You betray your own ideals so quickly. I'm disappointed

[Anonymous No.9664513]

>>9664481
So you think that having no patriarchal family is more destructive than lung disease?

[Anonymous No.9664515]

>>9664505
I read the thread fine. Nothing I said comes from /pol/ or reflects a /pol/-like ideology

[Anonymous No.9664521]

>>9663505
>>9663537
>>9663544
>>9663562
>>9663811
>>9663895
>>9663937
Each time I write Left and Right I like to retrace the outlines of the letters with different colours and different strokes. I am sometimes very angry and stressed for some reason, and so my pencil digs into the page as I widen the words. The words are getting out of sorts though because I've been tracing them for so long that the typography is quite indistinguishable, though I can make out the words. Seeing them is a bit of a Rorschach test for others though. I've even gotten to the point where I've redone the typography of Left and Right with paints that make them very distinct - even though you see all my scribbles underneath the words. Again, I suppose I should stop painting them over and over, but I don't want to stop. The whole practice sees to make me feel like ... like, yes, there Is a left and there Is a right. There is a left and there is a right. There is a right and then a left. And I need to keep them their by giving them colour and distinction so that I can recognise either one when the matter becomes serious, such as in simple everyday directions to places you might like to go someday in the future. Or like for instance, today, I was chipping potatoes at work, and I realised my right arm gets too much of a work out, my right arm is too dominate. And, not only is my right arm too dominate, my right leg is longer than my left, and I feel unbalanced when I jog, or when I'm on my feet all day. I decided to correct this problem by chipping fries with my left hand, using the arm and shoulder of my left side more often. But what struct me as funny as I was doing that, was that the entire time I'd been drawing the Right and Left, I'd been using my right hand to hold the pencil or paint brush. And I immediately realised I'd need to start using my left hand to paint with when I got home. But what would I do with the Right and Left that were already so overdone. And was I sure now that Left was left and Right, right, if my right hand had been the culprit behind drawing the Left. How could I be so foolish! I had found it so funny at work, but then it set in and I knew. I knew what I had to do. I was sure that I would begin again to draw the Right and the Left, but first I must cut myself in two pieces, or, more realistically, divide the world of the west and the world of the east. This would be achievable with some difficulty, but was possible with the right tools, and making sure I had enough time left in the day to get my work done. And so, from that point of division, my next task would be to unite both spheres into a mutual grip of the pencil whereby Right and Left could be written with equipollence.

[Anonymous No.9664524]

>>9664509
I wasn't who you responded to, I'm just someone pointing out that what you said is retarded. Race and gender determine everything, literature included. That's why 95% of who is talked about on this board are European men, and not, say, Ethiopian women.

[Anonymous No.9664533]

>>9664524
That thought does not follow logically. Adding an insult doesn't improve or strengthen your argument. It used to be that people here had a strong rhetorical and logical framework; I'm disappointed by what this board has become.

[Anonymous No.9664536]

>>9664496
>i'm totally not some commie pretending to be from /pol/ guys

[Anonymous No.9664538]

>>9664524
>That's why 95% of who is talked about on this board are European men, and not, say, Ethiopian women.
No, that's just an indication of who historically wrote novels in English.

[Anonymous No.9664540]

>>9664242
>not believing in repression and xenophobia
cuck, what a shit thread

[Anonymous No.9664542]

>>9664496
Take the real red pill, comrade

[Anonymous No.9664546]

>>9664496
If you've read left-wing literature but still didn't realize that what you hate comes from hardcore communist authors like Antonio Gramsci, Herbert Marcuse and Ernesto Laclau, and instead you end up loving communism, you still haven't read enogh.

[Anonymous No.9664548]

>>9664533
I'm sorry you have so much trouble acknowledging obvious realities. But I wasn't insulting you, I simply said that what you said -- "race and gender are not important" -- was idiotic, because it was. Those two things are fundamental to everything.

[Anonymous No.9664551]

>>9664546
Gramsci and Marcuse are pleb-tier and Laclau isn't even notable enough to be a meme.

[Anonymous No.9664553]

>>9664538
Is this supposed to be an argument or statement of some kind?