Free will doesn't exist

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Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:13:24 2016 No.8835131 [Reply] [Original]

Free will doesn't exist

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:15:41 2016 No.8835148 I choose to believe it does :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:15:56 2016 No.8835151 File: 28 KB, 282x362, and but so.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8835131 and what are the implications of your findings

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:16:45 2016 No.8835159 >>8835151 He can't be held accountable for being a dumb frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:17:04 2016 No.8835161 File: 400 KB, 1578x1164, dostoyevsky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8835131 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:18:52 2016 No.8835169 I can't help but believe in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:30:06 2016 No.8835220 >>8835131 prove that it does

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:34:01 2016 No.8835240 depends how small you wanna get I think it's a bit of both. Free will exists like little balls bouncing around inside a circle with set parameters. they can bounce around inside these circles which ever what way but can't bounce out

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:47:59 2016 No.8835310
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it ultimately depends on whether or not one submits to a Bayesian understanding of probability or not

if the world is causally determined (it seems to be that way),
then the future is defined, just as much as the past is

the events that will happen in the future are certain, even if we do not know what they are to be. one can say that a certain future event is "possible", but that tells us more about the beliefs of the person and what predictive knowledge they have than about the event itself

this applies equally to events involving humans or deer or rocks.

that being said, we do not know the future, so things are are still possible, that is unactualized.

do not kill yourself (for that reason)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:00:02 2016 No.8836545 Free will exists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:01:07 2016 No.8836546 File: 42 KB, 280x430, Truth_Nader.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8836545

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:03:15 2016 No.8836555 >>8835310 >(it seems to be that way) Not really. Citation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:06:23 2016 No.8836560 fucking compatibilists don't under stand that concepts are human-relative; we don't even know what it would mean to have free will if free will requires total ontological independence from things like causation

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:12:42 2016 No.8836578 File: 1.31 MB, 640x640, 13046612_1714563255488323_1020195885_n.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8835131 Acknowledging that changes nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:12:50 2016 No.8836579 >>8836560 >if free will requires total ontological independence from things like causation Why would it though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:15:03 2016 No.8836582 >>8836579 it doesn't! it couldn't!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:15:28 2016 No.8836585 >>8836578 Anyone else notice that weird alien vessel flying around observing shit at 0:08? Conspiracy theorist's call them rods, sometimes they are 20 feet long. I hope they aren't malignant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:17:08 2016 No.8836588 >>8836582 Are you implying compatibilists claim it does? They don't...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:18:36 2016 No.8836595 Compatibilism is just determinism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:19:45 2016 No.8836599 >>8836588 do you mean incompatibilists?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 10:02:03 2016 No.8837476 >>8836585 yeah man i see it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 11:28:28 2016 No.8837773 >>8836599 no.

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 11:36:19 2016 No.8837804

>>8835131

It is literally impossible to determine that whether the universe is causal or whether we are just rationalising it ex post facto.

If you observe an event that is TRULY random and unpredictable, you would simply ascribe the seeming unpredictability to a lack of knowledge on the factors determining its state.

So one may as well live as if free will does exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 11:57:41 2016 No.8837899 File: 113 KB, 631x688, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8835131 Only through God

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 12:09:22 2016 No.8837953 >>8835131 if free will doesn't exist then you don't have the free will necessary to make the conclusion that free will doesn't exist. Your argument has already invalidated itself. Next

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 12:18:47 2016 No.8837988 File: 815 KB, 934x760, bepsis doggo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8837953 nice bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 12:39:04 2016 No.8838091 >>8835131 If free will doesn't exist, why do we need religion or governance?

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:32:02 2016 No.8839336
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>>8835131
Evidence required to believe in free will (limited by ignorance, ability, consequence, etc., obviously): none.
Evidence required to disprove it: endless idiotic ontological bullshit.
I'll stick with Occam's Razor, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:34:37 2016 No.8839351 >>8837773 my post was in support of compatibilism; compatibilists say that free will doesn't require ontological independence--I'm saying that, further, we don't even know what ontologically independent free will would look like

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:39:01 2016 No.8839380 Fucking hate these threads. Sage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 19:00:44 2016 No.8839677 >>8835148 wow rekt

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:11:41 2016 No.8839957 >>8835240 But the balls dont controll any of the factors which determine their trajectory. Just like humans are unable to choose their enviroment and biology, which will define their ability to select the options they're presented with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:13:18 2016 No.8839963 >>8835131 What would an "existing free will" actually look like to begin with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:14:21 2016 No.8839969 >>8836595 No, its a branch of determinism

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:22:56 2016 No.8839998 >>8835131 >X does or doesn't exist Hi, 18th century.

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 05:37:22 2016 No.8841433

>>8839336
>>8839336
>Evidence required to believe in free will (limited by ignorance, ability, consequence, etc., obviously): none.
It literally requires you to disbelieve the causal relationships you observe everyday to be true. You've no doubt as to what happens you flip a light switch, there's nothing to suggest you're brain is somehow fundamentally different.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 05:40:31 2016 No.8841438 >>8839969 no it isn't, you guys have no idea what you're talking about, it's a conditional thesis that doesn't require the truth of determinism to be true "Determinism is compatible with free will" doesn't entail or imply that determinism is true

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:09:49 2016 No.8841624 >>8835131 It's not just that it doesn't exist- and one could easily define "free will" to refer to something that does- but that the concept that is groped at with it is meaningless, worthless, and non-existent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:21:14 2016 No.8841640 >>8835159 he can, because he did those actions, even if they weren't freely chosen, they are a symptom of his character

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:32:08 2016 No.8841657 >>8841640 do you punish people for exhibiting symptoms?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:34:57 2016 No.8841659 >>8835131 yes it does you untermenchzlichztz

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:40:32 2016 No.8841671

>>8841640
>freely chosen
If Free Will doesn't exist, then what is this refering to?
>>8841657
Yes we do, and we have for thousands of years, and our notion of justice has been founded on the idea that some symptoms are worthy of punishment and others are not.

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 08:57:51 2016 No.8841703

>>8841671
This was a prescriptive and not a descriptive question; do you think we should punish people for exhibiting systems?

Our notions of justice, personal responsibility, and even personhood are predicated on the existence of free will.

This is how thin the concept is; no ontological independence is required. All we mean when we say "he acted out of his own free will" is that, had he chosen to do otherwise, he would have done otherwise--that he could not have chosen to do otherwise is neither here nor there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:00:22 2016 No.8841709 File: 191 KB, 426x628, 2EC9C9A1-72B5-4B8E-949A-E8E61C8F8371-35646-00002A8158A92920_tmp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why should I care about whether free will exists or not?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:01:01 2016 No.8841710 >>8835131 instead of quibbling over whether or not it exists—an irrelevant metaphysical debate—we should understand that the existence of the contradiction within metaphysics is itself symptomatic.

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:10:17 2016 No.8841718

>>8841703
>This was a prescriptive and not a descriptive question; do you think we should punish people for exhibiting systems?
Sure; I find it pleasing since that's what's been practiced in the culture I was raised in.
>Our notions of justice, personal responsibility, and even personhood are predicated on the existence of free will.
How curious then that those arose in the ages when a person's will was recognized to be caused by the gods and stars.
To the contrary, I say that free will (at least in the modern sense) is the incoherent invention of Abrahamic theology and devised post hoc to justify already extant beliefs and practices viz. by putting God-the-judge in the same position of disinvolvement from the criminal as a human judge.
>All we mean when we say "he acted out of his own free will" is that, had he chosen to do otherwise, he would have done otherwise--that he could not have chosen to do otherwise is neither here nor there.
Yes, but that requires that there's some kind of meangingful "reality" to him acting otherwise. Which there isn't.
"What could have been" is just a hypothetical about our knowledge, viz. "at some time we did not know what in fact was". None of these alternative realities contemplated is the true one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:19:39 2016 No.8841733 God and free will are mutually exclusive

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:26:33 2016 No.8841744 >>8841733 read paradise lost

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:28:59 2016 No.8841749 >>8841709 You shouldn't. Your life is and will be the exact same either way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:31:04 2016 No.8841757 >>8841710 >the contradiction within metaphysics is itself symptomatic. Which contradiction? And symptomatic of what? Cutsie mystery is meaningless if nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 09:37:16 2016 No.8841776 >>8835148 SHOTS FIRED

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 11:01:32 2016 No.8841963 “What is this life? A frenzy, an illusion, A shadow, a delirium, a fiction. The greatest good's but little, and this life Is but a dream, and dreams are only dreams.”

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 12:03:24 2016 No.8842108 File: 37 KB, 370x370, 1481374195467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] IT DOESN'T EXIST ADMIT IT

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 12:32:36 2016 No.8842208

>>8835240
By this reasoning, "free walking" doesn't exist because you can't walk vertically without stairs.
Of course the perfection of free will doesn't exist but this has more to do with perfection not existing in this fallen world than with you not being responsible for your actions.

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 12:37:07 2016 No.8842218

>>8835240
It's not a perfect circle and both the circle and the balls are shaped by your experiences and environment

You can calculate how the balls will bounce if you know the exact way each of them and the circle itself are shaped.

Their bouncing is determined.

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 13:02:34 2016 No.8842306
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>>8835131
>physicists claim free will is a myth because classical physics is deterministic
>quantum level of things discovered where fundamental particles are only representable as probabilities and they behave in erratic, unpredictable ways.
>physicists who are smarter than anyone on this board collectively agree that free will exists because the physical world that we see is an emergent property of the quantum world.

Free will exists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 13:12:46 2016 No.8842338 >>8842306 That's like saying a dice roll is truly random because your lack of knowledge prevents you from knowing the outcome. Idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 13:35:03 2016 No.8842403 >>8842338 hidden variable theory is a meme

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 13:43:14 2016 No.8842426 >>8835240 It's more like a dog on a leash tethered to a cart

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 17:00:05 2016 No.8843058

>>8841433
"Free will" doesn't mean there is no such thing as influence or cause and effect. It means that within reasonable parameters and abilities, people make conscious decisions. Our brains are, to point out the fucking obvious, a bit more complex than light switches. And even with light switches, you do NOT know what's going to happen when you flick the switch: you're just betting on the odds. Or have you never flipped a switch and watched a bulb pop, or had nothing happen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 04:47:01 2016 No.8844962 >>8843058 Or had nothing happen and begin to levitate, as you realize you're dreaming?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 04:56:53 2016 No.8844974 this is a merely verbal dispute

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 05:09:10 2016 No.8844986 >>8835131 Free from precisely what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 05:12:56 2016 No.8844989 >>8843058 The brain is like an enormous network of switches, still working on the binary framework of ON/OFF. Neurons either activate or not, it's just that there are billions of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 05:20:39 2016 No.8844994 >>8835148 >>8835169 >>8835240 >>8836545 >>8842306 See >>8844986 What exactly do you suggest that "will" is free from?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 05:59:16 2016 No.8845034 >>8844989 Citation needed

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 06:38:37 2016 No.8845073

>>8845034
>Clinical Neuroscience
>Dennis R. Mosier, in Neurology Secrets (Fifth Edition), 2010.

>NERVE CONDUCTION

>What is an action potential?

>The action potential, as classically defined, is an all-or-nothing, regenerative, directionally propagated, depolarizing nerve impulse. In axons, the rising (depolarizing) phase of the action potential is mediated by Na+ currents, which depolarize the membrane. Repolarization of the membrane is influenced by two processes: (1) inactivation of Na+ currents and (2) activation of K+ currents, which hyperpolarizes the membrane. When Na+ currents are inactivated, a new action potential cannot be initiated (absolute refractory period).

Key term there is "all-or-nothing."

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 08:18:11 2016 No.8845218
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A current theory in computational neuroscience is that consciousness doesnt even really exist and its sort of just a momentary picture of all the signals currently in transit

All that needs to happen for an organism to function is that the neuron transfer functions work, there is literally nothing happening at all in someones brain other than neurons putting together signals and producing more, of course you dont have conscious control over that procedure because that procedure makes your 'consciousness' in the first place

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 14:26:30 2016 No.8846176 >>8845073 Reductive materialism is false, senpai. t. Walter J. Freeman

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 14:28:03 2016 No.8846180 >>8836585 It's a fly u friggin' retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 14:28:38 2016 No.8846184 File: 103 KB, 367x451, 1354988108253.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8845073 >brains are minds

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 14:31:17 2016 No.8846193 >>8846184 fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 14:33:13 2016 No.8846203 File: 35 KB, 370x370, 1481735004286.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8846193 >FUCK OFFF

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 15:50:11 2016 No.8846485 >>8846184 >Homunculus Problem

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 16:19:00 2016 No.8846590 Only nerds care

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 16:42:12 2016 No.8846673 Pascal's Wager, anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 16:56:15 2016 No.8846743 File: 4 KB, 176x263, images[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8846485 All we perceive are ideas, and these are immediately and directly perceived. There is no such thing as light -- as in a physical entity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:03:59 2016 No.8846973 >>8846184 So you fell for the Cartesian duality meme, huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:14:33 2016 No.8847011 >>8844989 And what activates them?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:17:42 2016 No.8847024 File: 26 KB, 600x750, fedora.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hello m'lady... still believing in Free Will? --------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:18:11 2016 No.8847027 >>8844994 From total influence from an outside force.

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:19:53 2016 No.8847032

>>8842306
>implying physicists aren't blinded by rationality
>implying quantum physics doesn't suggest that the world fundamentally cannot be modeled scientifically
Shit is random. Scientists only try to give useful theories, they'll never get to the bottom of anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:21:06 2016 No.8847039 Reminder that the universe is essentially random, non-rational, unscientific. The idea that we can understand the word through rational methods is a Platonic meme that won't die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:31:30 2016 No.8847083 >>8835148 You're determined to believe it exists though so there is a paradox of believing it exists for various reasons even though the determination to believe contradicts the notion of free will.

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:37:06 2016 No.8847104
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Reminder that you - the person reading this - possesses a soul, an immaterial nucleus to your own consciousness that renders you immune to the trappings of material determinism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 18:56:01 2016 No.8847170 >>8847011 Electric impulses from sensory receptors, and they activate each other - all in a dynamic interplay of forces, same as everything else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 19:17:48 2016 No.8847267 >>8847027 Outside can't exist without inside, and vice versa. Neither is "free" from the other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 19:18:51 2016 No.8847273 >>8847104 Reminder that the distinction between matter and spirit is a thought process, not reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 20:00:06 2016 No.8847435 >>8847104 But not from determinism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 21:10:44 2016 No.8847694 >>8847104 You got the sauce on this? God damn. Also, yeah free will isn't all too real.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:08:28 2016 No.8847844 >>8835131 Its pointless to speculate about things that don't affect you. t. Dialectical materialist

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:15:23 2016 No.8847867 >>8846973 No; there are no brains because there are no material substances. t. the good Bishop Berkeley

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:16:31 2016 No.8847868 >>8847104 what a qt

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:17:49 2016 No.8847872 >>8847694 >>8847868 What's wrong with you?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:29:33 2016 No.8847909 >>8842426 No it's more like a series of dice rolls. They will converge on an average which is predictable but no tool can accurately predict each one and yet there is every reason to believe forces to subtle to measure were determining the outcome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:35:09 2016 No.8847926 >>8847867 Go plow another altar boy, you retarded, rancid hypocrite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:40:22 2016 No.8847947 >start understanding free will doesn't exist >start choosing to be more relaxed with my new found understanding :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:43:03 2016 No.8847960 >>8847947 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 22:50:50 2016 No.8847978 File: 247 KB, 1280x1206, 3D Christ-Chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8847894 that muppet look shows she is uncomfortable taking selfies which is attractive tbphwym9

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:01:25 2016 No.8848008 >>8847978 2meta4me

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Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:27:55 2016 No.8848060

>>8835131
It's a question that goes beyond the epistemological horizon and as such should be banished to the third truth-value as per Peirce trivalent logic, by that not ment suspension of judgement but the acceptence of the necessary inadequacy of judgement on said issue, with the exception of pragmatically motivated conceptual development, under reference to the principles laid down in Carnaps Empiricism, Semantics, and Ontology. Casual.

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:33:17 2016 No.8848075

>>8847032
>science only gives data-driven models of the world, that's nothing compared to my philosophy professor's manuscript which is def going to be published any day now.

>>8842338
>free will := perfect randomness

I'm more inclined to prefer the answers of people actively engaged in a physical search to figure out the fundamental principles of the universe than I am to give credence to the musings of admittedly literate men in armchairs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:35:51 2016 No.8848081 >>8836578 Who's this man-milk-Mephistopheles?

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:36:21 2016 No.8848082

>>8844994
"Free Will" is the notion that we are not simply chemical machines reacting to completely predictable and measurable deterministic physical inputs.

Free will exists, and it's because our physical forms are emergent properties of the quantum underpinnings of the universe, which are NOT deterministic and have effects that propagate upwards and APPEAR deterministic at the macro level of the world we perceive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:38:26 2016 No.8848090 >>8847104 >smash someone's brains in >they cease exercising their will, they are dead >lol the will/soul is immaterial

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:41:12 2016 No.8848097 File: 681 KB, 1280x800, Arino-kun (14).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8848082 >hiding behind theoretical quantum physics >the fact we don't fully understand something is proof of anything

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:43:07 2016 No.8848102 >>8848082 What are "we" then?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:45:24 2016 No.8848112 File: 1.35 MB, 1529x2000, Group_20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8848082 >material primacy Seriously?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:47:01 2016 No.8848115 >>8848082 >>8848112 Moreover, even assuming that randomness actually does exist, I don't see how our actions being the result of a throw of dice makes us anymore 'free' than if they flowed deterministically from our spirit's nature and material causes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:51:00 2016 No.8848123 >>8848090 but it is th0

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:52:28 2016 No.8848125 >>8848115 Good point.

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:54:06 2016 No.8848127

>>8847170
None of that has any bearing on the question. Your arguments are like saying "All computer screen displays are made up of pixels, and pixels are either one color or another, on or off, made from electric impulses, therefore you can't draw a cow in Photoshop."
The question isn't if we're machines or how we operate, the question is who steers us.

Anonymous Thu Dec 15 23:58:20 2016 No.8848135

>>8848127
If you look deeper, the point is that there is actually nothing separating anything that you consider "us" from anything you consider "the rest of it".

The reason I ask
>free from precisely what
Is to help people notice that there is nothing that has a will separate to the universe. To put it crudely, we are all one, motherfucka.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 00:12:12 2016 No.8848166 >>8848135 You have to go back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 00:15:38 2016 No.8848170 >>8848166 Tell me more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 00:30:09 2016 No.8848211 >>8848166 Alright, I'll bite. Back to when?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 04:46:48 2016 No.8848719 >>8848211 The question isn't when, but where.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 04:49:01 2016 No.8848721 Awesome, now I have to smoke weed every day! Or should I read instead?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 04:53:53 2016 No.8848725 >>8848719 Same difference. But OK, if you need the setup that badly... back to where?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 04:56:19 2016 No.8848729 >>8848719 >>8848725 Oh, and if you say reddit you are the biggest fucking sheep minded faggot who ever sucked.

Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:01:32 2016 No.8848740

>>8848725
>>8848729
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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:05:08 2016 No.8848751 >>8848740 I hope for your sake that you have conditioned yourself to enjoy letting other people down, because I can already tell that you are a humongous dissapointment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:07:18 2016 No.8848755 File: 35 KB, 554x439, ...jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8848751 Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, anon.

Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:14:03 2016 No.8848762

The existence of free will would mean that by acting in the present, you are somehow able to alter the future. But that's only an illusion. Time is not linear in the first place, not the way we understand it. The past, the present, the future, it all exists, has always existed and will always keep on existing. No matter what you do, you aren't changing a thing, because the line of your life in the universe has already been drawn in full. Not that your primitive brains are even capable of understanding this prison that you've built with your own hands.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:17:22 2016 No.8848767 >>8848755 I wish I could hate you more, but it turns out you're just a cute anime chick!? Wow, it's true what they say about books and covers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:18:52 2016 No.8848771 >>8848762 All of existence is merely one electron that's everywhere at once to be honest

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:21:04 2016 No.8848775 >>8848762 >>8848771 Preach!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:21:20 2016 No.8848776 File: 67 KB, 554x439, ...png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8848767 I come in color, too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:33:42 2016 No.8848797 >>8835131 There are like 7 of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:46:16 2016 No.8848819 File: 602 KB, 716x955, 1481135578946.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8848170 >>8848211 >>8848719 >>8848725 >>8848725 >>8848729 >>8848740 >samefagging this hard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 16 05:52:27 2016 No.8848833 >>8848819 >Cuckworld

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