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Is Million Dollar Extreme really an example of post-irony?

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/12/million-dollar-extremes-adult-swim-show-becomes-collateral-damage-trumps-victory/

>“World Peace” wasn’t just toiling in the status quo, though. Where Green was sincere goofiness and “Tim and Eric” was defined by absolute irony, Million Dollar Extreme finished the sequence by muddling the qualities of the previous two. It was post-ironic. Maybe this is trouble?

>Figuring out the intentions of the ironist is easy: whatever is being shown is being mocked. But the post-ironist folds over on his own sincerity with exaggeration, using the ironic not just to ridicule, but also to enjoy the absurdities of what he genuinely appreciates.

>> No.8832784

>>8832779
Show me on the doll where /lit/ touched you.

>> No.8832785

This guy's marketing team is really going hard. I guess the fact that we're full of tourists from /pol/ is common knowledge now.

>> No.8832791

>>8832785
>tourists

70% of this website has /pol/ as a home board.

>> No.8832793

>>8832779
No. It's an example of bad writing and stupid sketches.

>> No.8832796

>>8832785
>tourists
As post No. 8832791 stated, 4chan is twitter's landfill now, and has been since 2014.

>> No.8832802

>>8832793
you can have badly written post-irony

Is it post-ironic or not?

>> No.8832809

>>8832802
He uses post-irony as an excuse as to why his show is so bad.

>> No.8832812

Yes, mde was a visionary. I expect what he accomplished to become the next major movement in comedy although its unlikely he'll do this through the tv screen.

I expect him to release another book soon

>> No.8832815
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8832815

>lol it's just a joke... or is it ;)
has to be literally the lowest form of exposition

irony is a degenerate form of exposition to begin with, trying to "innovation" on it will always result in pure garbage only appropriate for mental midgets

>> No.8832823

>>8832809
his show was so bad it was one of the top rated shows on adult swim despite being at 12:15

>>8832815
>>lol it's just a joke... or is it ;)
You're a literal idiot if this is what you got from the show

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8832828

>>8832779
yes

>> No.8832829

>>8832815
confirmed for having never seen the show

>> No.8832838

>>8832828
has sam ever commented on this?

>> No.8832839

>>8832823
>top rated
I'm not talking about ratings. Any time people say his show is lame his autistic fans start screeching "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. IT'S IRONIC AND TOO DEEP 4 U."

>> No.8832841

>>8832839
Tim and Eric had 5 seasons but was bizarre in a similar way

>> No.8832845

>>8832812
deploying more innovative forms of degeneracy should worry you, this character is dangerous
noting good has ever resulted from comedy

>>8832823
no I never watched the show
I don't watch television, especially not a channel targeted towards children and teenagers
irony is garbage and will literally rot your brain if you consume it

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>>8832841
Chris Morris did it better. imo Nathan Barley predicted Sam Hyde

>> No.8832850

>>8832838
I've heard he actively deletes any mention of it on the MDE reddit.

>> No.8832851

>>8832845
>irony is garbage
but it's not irony. it's post-irony

>> No.8832855

>>8832846
San Hyde is self-aware. Barley was not

>> No.8832863

>>8832851
just learn to be sincere, don't engage in anything with prefixes, "post-irony" can only be garbage

>> No.8832866

>>8832841
Yeah but I don't like that either. Just being ironic doesn't automatically make something funny.

>> No.8832869

>>8832855
>Sam Hyde is self-aware.
Barley.

>> No.8832871

>When he accurately describes /lit/ as that leftist who still needs to see xirself as subversive

>> No.8832877

>>8832869
t. doesn't watch sam

>> No.8832881

>>8832871
Trump won, the democrats were nothing but neocons who cried a lot and listened to Beyoncé. There hasn't been a real left since the 60s

>> No.8832886

>>8832871
This desu

>> No.8832900

>>8832839
>he thinks he gets it
Please give me an analysis on any of the following: Eric Hayden CEO sketch, teacher sketch, brother's wife sketch, frat party sketch

>> No.8832907

>>8832881
>a REAL left

HahahhahahaHAhaha exactly the type of stuff I'm talking about

>muh the REAL left is still subversive

>> No.8832911

>>8832900
Do you know? I'm curious as to what these meant

>> No.8832916

>>8832877
t. has sam's cum in his brain

>> No.8832922

>>8832911
I have an interpretation that I may type when I get home

>> No.8832943

>>8832907
What do you think the "real left" is?

>> No.8832963

>>8832881
The """workers revolution""" is never gonna happen you outdated commie fuck

>> No.8832967

>>8832963
Well It's that or being devoured by malignant technocapital AI

>> No.8832971

>>8832855
Nathan Barley is a fictional character...

>> No.8832979

>>8832967
the AI will be homosexual and we will all be absorbed into the mulatto underclass

>> No.8832987

>>8832943
There is no 'real left' there is only an ideal applied to reality. I assume that poster is thinking 'wow, a real left who believe the things I believe'. Leftism is anything that trends toward egalitarianism. The REAL left, to an armchair anon is going to be as egalitarian as humanly sustainable (it differs from leftist to leftist depending on how possible/sustainable they believe anarchism, communism, socialism actually is). Nevertheless that's where they tend to end up advocating social reforms in that direction. There's a dissonance between ideals and reality however and many understand that even though their highest ideals call for radical changes to the societies they live in that such a thing is unfeasible because most people don't want that much change; they aren't comfortable with it. So they take their ideal and they select what is most important, or most palatable, or most feasible. In this age and this time those things that have been selected are identity politics and political correctness. Those issues were deemed most important by the loudest on the left and they are doubling down so hard that many, many in their lifetimes, will not abandon the issue. The media and attention helped shape it into what we see now. This is their 'great fight'. The mistake is thinking that this is somehow less 'real'. It's simply how the leftist project manifests itself in this day and time within these people with their specific wants and needs. I would agree that it is a pathetic disaster, that it's actually killed any chance of success, but it's just as real as any of the other things that could have but didn't get selected by this wave of leftist.

>> No.8833000

>>8832967
Sam did a HydeWars episode on that.

>> No.8833005

>>8832987
Neoliberalism was not an egalitarian project, but attempt to create a fascism without hate, one that leaves exploitative capital and the profitable war machine intact. An utopia of gender diverse drone operators and multicolored banking executives, where domination is completely rationalised and logical. It doesn't work for the simple reason that fascism works better with hate.

>> No.8833007

>>8832967
hi Nick

>> No.8833014

>>8833005
Then why do pseudo-commies at Buzzfeed (founded by Jonah Peretti, who is an open communist) love neoliberalism so much?

>> No.8833013

>>8833005
>where domination is completely rationalized and logical

Gonna need a source on that

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8833028

>>8833005

>He can't imagine that Capitalists and Leftists want a completely homogeneous Human Race for very different reasons

>> No.8833052

>>8833014
Jonah Peretti wrote his thesis on Debord's society of the Spectacle. Debord was a communist, who wrote with the objective of promoting revolution, but he does give a great and very useful description of how the modern world works. His work is popular with media people and spooks, like Peretti or the Kremlin's Vladislav Surkov, precisely because it's useful. They are actually hard core nihilists. Surkov wrote a novel in which he talks about how he feels like he transcended ethics and only cares about the patterns, beautiful patterns re-arranging themselves for all eternity.

>> No.8833101

>>8833013
the privilege checking system is hyper rationalised protestant ethics which meshes perfectly with the hyper rationalised capitalist bureaucracy. Goldman Sachs and military contractors have instituted mandatory 'diversity workshops' precisely because it's an effective method of control and micromanagement

>> No.8833151

>>8832971
and he had no self-awareness in the world of the show he was in...

>> No.8833158

>>8832779
No, they're an example of irony.

>> No.8833177

>>8832779
Something about their style reminds me a lot of '60s psychedelic/"revolutionary" stuff like The International Times.

>> No.8833183

>>8833158
How are they not post-ironic?

>>8833177
that would fully be in line with the author's argument

>> No.8833204

>>8833183
What's post-ironic?

>> No.8833211

>>8833204
Nothing because irony is not a movement, it is the softer side of nihilism.

>> No.8833215

>>8833211
irony is a type of expression

>> No.8833226

>>8833215
Yes but when people talk about irony they are talking about values.

Irony as an expression has been around forever though so calling something post-ironic is as dumb as saying "late capitalism".

>> No.8833266

>the post-ironist folds over on his own sincerity with exaggeration, using the ironic not just to ridicule, but also to enjoy the absurdities of what he genuinely appreciates.
so power metal was post-ironic all along? huh

>> No.8833285

>>8833226
the term just refers to a form of expression that exists as a reaction to/outgrowth of the widespread culture of irony

>> No.8833332

>>8833285
Yes it's a colloquialism created by morons who didn't even understand what irony was in the first place.

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8833345

Pic related?

>> No.8833409

>>8833226
>capitalism has been around forever

>> No.8833421

>>8833409
As long as people have exchanged stuff with each other, which is pretty much forever. Capitalism is not even a thing, but individuals voluntarily exchanging stuff and making contracts. The only way to prevent it would be through a totalitarian society

>> No.8833429

there is examples of "post irony" in the iliad

>> No.8833431

>>8833421
>voluntarily exchanging stuff and making contracts
Vast swathes of history where this did not happen, it may surprise you to learn.

>> No.8833442

>>8833431

>muh spearchucking example we should all learn from

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>>8832791
this is jarringly false, look what happens what a retard from /pol/ leaves his echo chamber and enters our echo chamber

>> No.8833460

>>8833442
Oh wow, so like pretty much forever really is like 300 or so years for you?

>> No.8833465

>>8833421
i think you might be 15 years old or braindead

>> No.8833473

>leftists still think they're anti-establishment

>> No.8833476

>>8833458
We should make a poll. I am a /pol/ack as well

>> No.8833482

>>8832791
>this is what redditors actually believe

>> No.8833487

>>8833473
Objectively they are now, they weren't a few months ago but they are now, get with the times grandpa

>> No.8833492

>>8833482
>>8832791
I'm pretty sure 70% of this board is just me.

>> No.8833497

>>8833473
>let me paint the left with a broad brush even though I vehemently oppose when people do it to the right

>> No.8833504

>>8833492
this

I'd say I'm responsible for at least 40% of the zizekposting, you guys are welcome its a full time job

>> No.8833506

>>8833497
the left only cares about white genocide. That's why leftists will always side with the finantial elites over the working classes, cause they believe all whites are guilty and deserve to be bred out of existence

>> No.8833514

>>8833487
The US was right wing with the Democrats, although Obama was fairly left wing for a democrat. Compare it to the UK and Australia, another large former colony:
US: Democrats and Republicans, which are p much the old Whigs (liberals) and Tories (religious conservatives)
UK: Labour and Tories, so an actual workers' rights party and a right wing traditionalist party
Aus: Labour and Liberals, work that one out from above.

>> No.8833515

>>8833497
kind of funny how the alt right is the right finally having some diversity of opinion and they almost completely disintegrated because of us and then they call us "all the same" or imply it

>> No.8833524

>>8833514
I agree I was just shitposting

>> No.8833542

>>8833524
I just find that shit so crazy. Even the socialists are not all that socialist, Chomsky and Sanders are all about "reclaim liberal ideas for the slightly more left!" in a large part. It seems crazy to me.

>> No.8833588

>>8833013
It sounds like a neo-functionalist argument.

People interpret this shit all sorts of ways, and at first glance I think a neo-functionalist argument for neoliberalism is probs mostly circular. So it probably exists, but is also probably stupid.

>> No.8833601

>>8832779
>Figuring out the intentions of the ironist is easy: whatever is being shown is being mocked. But the post-ironist folds over on his own sincerity with exaggeration, using the ironic not just to ridicule, but also to enjoy the absurdities of what he genuinely appreciates.
this is The_Donald though, right?