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Besides the recent trans stuff, what do you think of this man?

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>>8769124
I couldn't find much on that image.

>> No.8769217

wishing u well, brother
Peterson is not literature (or so the mods think)

>> No.8769434

peterson new god flow bask key at picasso type shit if you havent watched his uni course lectures titled maps of meaning you aint woke desu, u like my granny on thanksgiving about 730pm after 2 helpings of turkey t.b.h.

>> No.8769499

Hes staunch af

>> No.8769522

>>8769434
... what?

>> No.8769540

>It's another episode of the Right-Wing latch onto to their only moderately intelligent thinkers as to seem reputable to the public

Sad!

>> No.8769550

>>8769540
>its another episode of anyone who isnt far left is far right

>> No.8769561

>>8769540
He's a lefty. Used to work with the NDP and whatnot.

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>>8769540

4 u it's another episode of pic related

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>>8769540

and also dis

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>>8769124

He seems well-read. Watched a 2,5 hour interview of him and he covered everything from Foucault, Jung, neuroscience, Darwinian thought, deh Greeks, evolutionary biology, Eliade.

It's hard to pin him down in a political field. He's pic related imo.

>> No.8770231

Do your self a favor and watch the first half of his Personality course

>> No.8770233

>>8769550
In the Academic world they basically are

>> No.8770248

>>8769124
He's a Jungian, thats enough to know he's thrash pseudo-intellectual

>> No.8770249

Leftist here. If I could get a girlfriend I'd let you all fuck her!

>> No.8770281

>>8769522
The guy's highly woke; so woke, in fact, that if you've yet to watch his lectures, "Maps of Meaning", then you ~can't~ claim to be woke; at least, no more woke than Anon's granny on thanksgiving afternoon (she often likes to snooze after her second helping of turkey).

>> No.8770291

What's this guy's name?

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8770296

he seems smart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCOw0eJ84d8

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>>8770291
Jordan Peterson

>> No.8771352

>>8769217
>Peterson is not literature

Wth are you talking about? He's an author as well as a college professor. How is he not /lit/?

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>>8770233

>> No.8771364

>>8770248
>>8770249

Go to bed Zizek

>> No.8771365

>>8769124
I'm sad he'll probably have left UofT before I've had the chance to take one of his classes

>> No.8771437

>>8771365

He's got enough clout to easily get a job at other universities, he also has a huge selection of his college lectures online.

>> No.8771453

>>8770296

Based

>> No.8771482

>>8769124
He makes a great martyr. He did pretty well in that recent debate too. If the anti-PC crowd is smart, then they will bank on this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68NHUV5me7Q

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Just read a breddy gudd article about him: https://medium.com/@metamurphie/god-sent-jordan-peterson-to-the-alt-right-f113fb55b1ae#.m2g5xhwrl

Seems like a cool enough guy -- just kind of into himself a little too much.

>> No.8771707

>>8771661
saying jordan peterson is alt right is retarded enough but then it goes on to list ricky vaughn and sargon of akkad in the same sentence as if its the most normal thing in the world, can't begin to imagine what it's like to be that out of touch with reality where a former goon turned mpc nazi is the same as a youtube atheist

>> No.8771740

>>8771707

Didn't get the impression that the article was arguing Jordan considers himself part of the alt right -- seemed like it was just trying to explain why the alt right likes him so much

reading comp senpai, please

>> No.8771759

>>8769124
I'm about 80% of the way through Maps of Meaning.

The writing is terrible, but the ideas within are golden. He explains religion far better than religious people and fedora tippers alike.

>> No.8771834

all the 'public intellectuals' and love of 'public intellectuals' in Canada is fucking trash. Him included.

we should not forget we are lumberjacks, and miners, and it's in our blood for good.

>> No.8771998

>>8771661
>>8771740

he's been quite outspoken about the (radical) alt-right, especially the national-socialist side of it https://youtu.be/Bpim_n0r0z0?t=32m50s

> "They're so anti-semitic that it's painful to read."

Nazis BTFO

>>8771759

>The writing is terrible

If by terrible you mean unnecessarily convoluted and written like an instruction-manual then yeah I'd agree. Only read/seen small snip bits of it though but the style was pretty apparent.

>> No.8772021

>>8770281
How the fuck did you figure that out?

>> No.8772854

>>8771834

So if you're a well respected college professor and author and you suddenly have videos of your lectures on youtube and a few anons on /lit/ start talking about you and some idiotic controversial bureaucracy you're involved in you suddenly become a "public intellectual"?

>> No.8773117

>>8772854
a lot of profs have stuff up online, what im talking about is a cultural thing, look it up before you decide it is okay

>> No.8773237

It's quite funny to me that Peterson blew up in the media so quickly after I stumbled onto his 'Maps of Meaning' and 'Personality' lecture series on YouTube. I kind of wish he hadn't. I didn't know anything at all about the mans personal opinions but now that I do I cant help but project "alt-rightish" motivations onto whatever he says. Silly, I know. I think he's probably beyond that level of discussion.

Nonetheless, and as incredibly lame of me it is to say, his measured yet impassioned take on things impressed me and even helped me climb out of a pretty deep hole. I'm not a well read man and I struggle to snuff out a cheap rhetorician but he has my praise. For what it counts.

>> No.8773419

>>8773237
he denounced the alt right in interview with gad saad
Peterson doesn't like nazis

>> No.8773442

>>8773117
>a cultural thing

What are you talking about? I've watched a lot of his lectures and some of his public speaking about his stances and he seems like perfectly rational, decent intelligent person.

How has not wishing to accept authoritarianism become seen as crazy?

>> No.8773455

>>8773419
Unsurprising. It was a phantom gripe really.

>> No.8773772

>>8769540
Alt-Right or right-wing or whatever you name it likes basicly everyone who stands up against the anti-free speech bullies and the PC-SJW-lynchmob, but that doesn't mean the person standing up is an Alt-Right himself or herself. They can be, you know, just normal, like people with a little common sense.

>> No.8773774

>>8769540
>It's another episode of the leftists paint everyone as Right-Wing if they act like normal people with common sense.

Sad!

>> No.8773863

His lectures on depth psychology are the best thing I've seen all year.

>> No.8773886

If you actually take his arguments and think them through quietly and calmly, a lot of it is hot air... a lot. He is inspiring though in that he appears to be utterly lost and devoid of joy/mental stability and yet he still tries heroically

>> No.8773925

Please stop posting this tedious social justice warrior here. We're above this shit.

>> No.8774221

>>8773925

What the fuck are you talking about? He is literally the opponent of SJWs

Oh I see, you don't know a thing about the guy

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>>8769124
Trans stuff? Sounds like a fag.

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>>8769124
Greatest academic currently alive on the American continent.

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This book is pretty much a must read.
>>8769540
>Not being an authoritarian leftist means you are a right-winger
Pls go back to dumblr or whatever echo chamber you were spawned in.

>> No.8776656

>>8769540
The responses to this post really just signal how correct it is

>> No.8776802

He's /ourguy/

>> No.8776815

>>8769124
Who is this man

>> No.8777045

>>8773886
please provide 100 words defending your first sentence.

>> No.8777645

>>8776815

Jordan B Peterson

He's a professor at the University of Toronto and a clinical psychologist. He first became known around here because his class lectures were uploaded to youtube.

He's also gained more notoriety on here lately for his tangle with the University regarding his public objection, and rejection to follow Bill C-16 with its plethora officially recognized trans-gender pronouns. Peterson refuses to call people by any of these pronouns because he thinks they are clumsy, first of all, and that they are limiting free speech in a way that leads down the road to far-left totalitarianism. He says that it's one thing to come up with a list of things that you Can't say to someone for reasons of limiting hate-speech, which Peterson is fine with, but it is an entirely different thing to make a law that states what you Have to say.

>> No.8777655

>>8777645

Essentially he is our guy.


He's the hero we need

>> No.8777936

>>8769124

>literally no idea who this is
>get linked a Joe brogan livestream where he's being interviewed
>he's shittimg on Derridas contrived babby Marxism
>top kek

Anyone who calls a faggot a faggot is a freind of mine

>> No.8778125

>>8773237
>It's quite funny to me that Peterson blew up in the media so quickly after I stumbled onto his 'Maps of Meaning' and 'Personality' lecture series on YouTube.
same here. i found out about him earlier this year in the 4chan archive (from a post from around 2012), and now he's everywhere. spooky.

>> No.8778137

>>8777936
Wait, someone was talking about Derrida on Joe Rogan's podcast? What is the world coming to? First a meme president and now this. This is no longer podracing.

>> No.8778155

Damn, the two most POWERFUL minds of our time share thoughts for alost 3 hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

>> No.8778184

>>8769124
he should be leading canada instead of le weed man

>> No.8778196

>>8778155
Lmao Joe was so fucking lost.

>> No.8778199

>>8778125
>and now he's everywhere. spooky.
That's just how it works nowadays. When that ball starts running it goes quickly. 0-100 real quick.

>> No.8778359

>>8778196
Whatup freak-bitches, today we're going to discuss how social-constructivism, while well meaning, ultimately erodes its own legitimacy by becoming too divorced from other discourses that it itself one claimed defined reality.

>> No.8778417

>>8778196
Hey at least he's trying, he could chill out in his mansion near the pool with a drink instead he's making a podcast with pretty interesting guests.
He also asks decent questions, his podcast has a good flow to it

>> No.8778419

>>8778417
Relax, I love Rogan.

>> No.8778421

>>8778419
Relax, I was not mad in my response.

>> No.8778447

>>8778417
I like Rogan. He's got a lot of problems and he's an idiot in certain ways but he's an outgoing positive guy who tries to give a shit about things and make other people give a shit about them.

I honestly find him unlistenable 90% of the time because he's such a dolt and he talks over his guests sometimes but goddamnit he's trying. He's like a big kid.

>> No.8778454

>>8778447
this, me too

>> No.8778482

>>8778447
A big kid but still above a big chunk of people in general just because he tries

>> No.8778841

So are all the Jungian connections he draws between religion/ mythology and psychology and sociology just complete BS or are they accurate?

>> No.8778855

>>8778841
Also, what do you guys think of his beliefs about nihilism? (That nihilism is pathalogical and undermines your ability to live)

>> No.8779697

>>8778199
it was from a post in 2012 though. complete coincidence that i discovered him the same year he blew up. i was just looking for writers like jung.

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>>8778855

He says we should work and struggle to LIKE being and life but Stirner unironically ruined these kinds of things for me. It all just seems like spooks.

>> No.8779801

>>8769217
>mods
this thread has now been up for over sixty hours

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>>8779801

I posted like 5 threads before this and they were all deleted, surprised the commie mods let this one though.

>> No.8781593

>>8776014
Wanted to pick it up from my university's library but it is checked out.

>> No.8781608

Just watched this lecture, some pretty interesting stuff. Haven't got around to watching his recent debate yet, will be interesting to see how well he argues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLp7vWB0TeY

>> No.8781616

>>8769540
"Dr Peterson says he does not object to trans people or to choosing which traditional pronoun they prefer.
"If the standard transsexual person wants to be regarded as he or she, my sense is I'll address you according to the part that you appear to be playing," he said.
But he argues terms like "gender identity' and "gender expression" are too broad, are the "propositions of radical social constructionists," and are being used to bully opponents into submission."

he's not anti-trans, he just thinks that libs are falling for idpol buzzword bullshit (they are)

>> No.8781886

>>8779797
That's not what he's saying. He's saying you need a framework in order to make things meaningful. This isn't what Stirner was opposing, in fact it's part of his Creative Nothing; what Stirner says is that you have a choice in your framework and that the framework ultimately serves your cause, so saying it isn't makes no sense and is there only for you to control others. Peterson gives the framework he thinks is best but he's not against you having different opinions; in fact, any time he talks about shamans or artists he points out to how they're people who defy these frameworks, but that that has a level of danger to it and shouldn't be expected of everyone in society.

>> No.8781960

>>8779809
>i wish he was my dad
iktf

>> No.8781979

>>8779697
>i was just looking for writers like jung
Did you find any good ones? I'm reading Jung now and I would appreciate suggestions. Also any particular Jung works.

>> No.8782675

>>8778155
>that plug of his self-help program he sells at the very end
my sides

i don't think it's all just an act to sell it or anything but i found it funny

>> No.8782767

I'd love to see a debate between Peterson and Zizek.

So many lulz to be had as Peterson dismantles Zizek's anus piece by piece

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>>8778359

>> No.8783018

>>8781616
Where in the post you replied to does it mention trans people?

And did you even read the OP?

>> No.8784506

>>8782767

Zizek would just talk past him or drive up the sniffing to disorient him.

>> No.8784689

>>8778841
He's just pedantically attempting to make respectable New Age ideology.

>>8778855
Approaching contemporary nihilism as an individual issue of pathology is all wrong. Nihilism hasn't just become so prevalent because of individuals irrationally rejecting traditional belief systems or their impotence to craft individual narratives for their own lives but the actual real decomposition of any collective social basis. Capitalism and liberalism are nihilistic and make nihilists, you can't just teach and expect people to act differently within within a gigantic nihilistic institution, you can only medicate if you really want to get different activity.

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>>8784506
>Zizek begins to intensify the shirt and nose grabbing as his bullshit like a soft phallus fails to penetrate any of the arguments Peterson makes
>In the middle of the debate he starts crying

>> No.8786968

>>8786430
>Zizek has to execute his special attack, he stops sniffing for the entire debate then releases it all in one big snot filled projectile.

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>>8770296
>mfw listening to this

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What do you think of this self authoring program?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoGdMpdZXzs

I got the future self authoring thing when it was free but I'm in so much shit even this might not get me out.

>> No.8787859

>>8769540

>anyone who isn't a marxist is part of the right

I'm a classical liberal you fucking regressive. :)

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>>8787859
>implying that isn't right wing
Why do you love unemployment?

>> No.8787919

>>8770296
I think it's funny that there's a related video called "Nietzche in 12 minutes". Which do you think is more informative?

>> No.8787923

>>8787919
Says a lot about the type of person that watches his stuff

>> No.8787932

>>8787809
The 'i like your penis but i'm busy with these other five ones right now'-facial expression aka '''''feminism'''''.

>> No.8787934

>>8787809
Did the first half of the future one.
I became a patreon so I'm getting the other ones too, the first one did have a positive effect, looking long term was something I didn't do often but I'm more aware of it now.

>> No.8787944

He points out a lot of dangers that modern sjws and liberals have with their mindset, which is basically:

>b-but I have good intentions! So It's ok for me to use fascist means! Plus I'm right, so I'm allowed to do whatever I want to people who are wrong!

>> No.8787953

>>8776656
It's another episode of That's Not True, bought to you by Stupid Guy

>> No.8787961

I think if you don't Stand With Jordan Peterson then you are lame

>> No.8787980

Too bad his university career is finished. Or maybe that's good, I dunno.

Even if he comes through all this shit with plenty of people backing him from the right, his university is still going to be tired of his shit, and find any way to get rid of him, or at least make it pointless for him to stay there. They already showed they basically back the other side.

>> No.8788122

>>8787980
I think there's still hope left but also that even if he's only successful so far as to get them to admit that they don't want open discourse and don't care about the truth then that's still a victory. Getting them to show their true colours is the first step to fixing this shit.

https://youtu.be/Gatn5ameRr8

>> No.8788135

>>8788122

Well...I think they've shown their true colors years ago, and most people are too dumb to see it. They know their ideas can't win in a fair fight, so they want to make laws that punish anybody with viewpoints differing from theirs. They want only their ideas to be accepted, and everyone else to be punished for thinking different.

Their strength is they wrap this all up in a simple to understand package of, "Well, all we want is for the poor transgendered to be treated with respect, what's wrong with that?" that the average twitter minded person can push the like button and get behind.

His side is right, in that this is not free speech, quite the opposite in fact, it is fascism wrapped up in a pretty transgendered bow, but you got to listen to hours of bullshit and be pretty intelligent to start with, to understand his side. Who's got time for that?

>> No.8788154

>>8787944

All revolutionaries think that. Once the old regime is overthrown, they'll turn on each other. Petersen's big mistake is thinking these people can be reasoned with. Arguing with them legitimizes them as functional human beings, when in reality they are like organic robots that ought to be ignored, or better yet, locked up.

In the old days you could actually do that, throw them in prison or deport them back to Eastern Europe. Nobody bothered to argue with the bomb throwing anarchists.

>> No.8788168

>>8788154
Well arguing against them has brought his some fame and a bigger podium to share his arguments.
Which is all useless if the other side refuses to listen at all but I'm not too sure of that

>> No.8788189

>>8776656
>The responses to this post really just signal how correct it is

>saying "peterson is a leftist"
>proves that hes far right

Youre gonna have to explain that one kiddo

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smart and wellspoken guy

dude really cares about the dangers of the far left

when he actually started to tear up and couldn't speak while he was talking about pinocchio made even these dead eyes of mine a bit moist

wanted to hold him

>> No.8788244

Was listening to his maps of meanings lecture and he just blew the fuck out of ''nice guys'' likeI haven't seen anyone else do.
It's lesson 5 at around1 hour and 9 min in.

>> No.8788265

>>8788244
He drops a full fucking red pill on hypergamy in one of his ordinary psych lectures somewhere, like an hour in

Just casually explains that men actually have to try in life to get a mate, and women are selectors, and the social effects of this

>> No.8788265,1 [INTERNAL] 

Someone said "red pill"! /pol/ is leaking! Better delete this fascist thread!