How does it make you feel

[Anonymous No.8721944]

that this guy is a Trump fan

or at least preferred Trump to Clinton

[Anonymous No.8721945]

who didn't lets be real

[Anonymous No.8721948]

He'd vote Trump for radically different reasons than you can fathom, retard.

[Anonymous No.8721951]

Psst. All entertainers and "commentators" preferred Trump.

That's kind of how they make their fucking living.

[Anonymous No.8721952]

His is the only sensible position for a leftist who isn't a fucking mental retard

The only people who disagree are hipsters who fundamentally don't see anything wrong with the American plutocracy aside from some mild, vague corporatist corruption maybe, and who think that stupid fucking tranny shitter debates are the cutting edge of leftist discourse

Fuck these hipsters, turn them out of their sinecures in the finishing school universities paid for by their rich daddies, gas them, make the left great again

[Anonymous No.8721956]

>>8721948

he's still voting in a literal nazi and a fascist regardless of his radically "different" reasons

[Anonymous No.8721960]

nice literature you mongs

[Anonymous No.8721963]

>>8721956
he said he WOULDN'T vote Hillary

[Anonymous No.8721965]

>>8721956
Ok, time to grow the fuck up

Trump might be a dumbass, but he is not a Nazi or a Fascist

literally look up the meaning of such terms, before you spout dumbass-ism

[Anonymous No.8721967]

>>8721952
You offer no concrete reason why heis "the only sensible position" except a long stream of buzzwords like "retard," "hipsters," "leftist"...

You are low-level discourse. You are. You.

[Anonymous No.8721975]

>>8721967
Because Trump will prevent America from turning into Sweden, a literal third world shit hole full of brown people now

[Anonymous No.8721978]

>>8721967
The word you're looking for is "his, "as in, "Zizek's"

Zizek's position, the one he has been explicitly offering for months and which we are discussing here as the basis fo the entire thread

Try to keep up

[Anonymous No.8721983]

>>8721945
The premiere text submission is ideologically superior but not through its political counter-valences, you know, but rather it's direct *sniff* recourse to the real.

[Anonymous No.8721988]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
seriously gtfo with your proletarian-level political discourse. I hate all of you.

[Anonymous No.8721990]

>>8721988
i fugged ur mom dude

[Anonymous No.8722008]

Trump was the better candidate simply because no one expected it, and having right ringers be president will allow for big cultural changes and debates to be have, many of which are taboo nowadays thanks to the left wingers.


He said it himself, he doesn't see either Trump or Hillary as adequate candidates, but does she Trump as a symbol or an important piece to move forwards in this culture of political correctness.

[Anonymous No.8722014]

>>8722008
i thought political correctness was just something shitbag right wingers said

actual intelligent philosophers say its a real thing too


WTF?

[Anonymous No.8722029]

>>8722014
Zizek uses PC in its original meaning, "maintaining the status quo"

[Anonymous No.8722038]

>>8722029
that's not what is meant you dummy, Political Correctness is a term from Stalinism, where one day a guy is riding high in the party and the next day he's been executed and airbrushed out of all the photos and everyone has to pretend like he never existed, ahh, communism is so wonderful

[Anonymous No.8722045]

>>8722014

How is political correctness not a real thing when the ability of having proper debates on taboo topics are thrown out of the water at the mere superficial mention of them?

>Try to discuss immigration policies
Literally Hitler
>Try to discuss women going into front line combat, bringing up upper body strength, bodily needs (period) and the affect having a woman in your squad has on group cohesion.
You're a sexist
>Try to discuss the possibility that the behavior and economic success of certain demographics might be based partly on genetics
You're a racist
>Try to have a debate on whether or not homosexuals/gender Dysphoric people are born that way
You're a bigot

And many, many other examples. This shit needs to end, debates about anything should be had on national TV without muh feelings getting on the way all the time.


>Inb4
>Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.8722052]

>>8722038
americans everyone

[Anonymous No.8722068]

>>8721944

it doesn't make me feel anything.

zizek's whole shtick is to claim he's a leftist while supporting horrible shit as some sort of postmodern satire of leftism.

he is essentially a right-winger who poses as an absurd leftist in order to make the left look stupid.

he's a troll who lives on the edge and who believes that stalin did nothing wrong.

here's how to be zizek--whatever the topic of discussion is, pick the most horrendous position or person or whatever and say the following:

"of course [insert whatever, nazism, fascism, stalin, genocide] is horrible. of course it is, i do not dispute this. but is it not in fact also the epitome of the strength and courage that the modern left lacks? it is merely neoliberal ideology that upholds things like nonviolence and polite protest that makes us fail to see that [hitler literally didn't do anything wrong or whatever]."

so, no, i don't find it surprising that he praises trump. in fact i find it somewhat predictable.

[Anonymous No.8722080]

>>8722068
"abhorrent shit"

because he is against illegal immigration?

get your head out of the sand

[Anonymous No.8722084]

>>8722080

did you just hear about zizek in 2015?

the man has a framed picture of stalin over his front door. he's intentionally contrarian and goes for shock value. he's basically like the howard stern of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.8722090]

>>8722068

This is how the modern Left views Zizek, and anyone else who realizes that Identity Politics is a bourgeois distraction from Class Politics that has worked like a charm.

Zizek was able to overlook Trump's anti-minority rhetoric and see that acceleration trumps what is ultimately divide-and-conquer.

Trump is the accelerationism candidate.

[Anonymous No.8722102]

>>8722090

>empowering the poorest and most disenfranchised members or society is a bourgeois distraction

do you even know what bourgeois means?

[Anonymous No.8722105]

>>8722102

members of*

[Anonymous No.8722108]

>>8722102

>Dividing society into countless sub-divisions instead of the straight-forward/binary proletariat-bourgeois divide
>Wondering why the Left can't unite over anything

They have more to gain from the capitalist system being overthrown than being given breadcrumbs/peanuts in said capitalist system.

[Anonymous No.8722109]

>>8721948
really? Because I've heard him state in a number of interviews why he prefers Trump over Clinton, and essentially it is the reason why most intelligent people who chose trump did choose him. Hillary was the malignant cold warrior who would propagate the ideology of the Doves, veiled total control while misdirecting the public with feigned social progressivism. Trump is a big problem, make no mistake, and he will probably do some heinous shit when he nominates conservative supreme court judges. But this will awaken a sense of true politics in both the left and right, and maybe in 2020 someone with actual progressive, anti-establishment values will be chosen to replace him. Trump will not get a second term, and the only question is how badly the country will be set back before an appropriate replacement is set in motion

[Anonymous No.8722110]

>>8722102
the working class overwhelmingly supported trump, even 33% of hispanic men voted for trump! he fucking killed the democrats, blew them out of the fucking water.

[Anonymous No.8722111]

>>8722068
>>8722084
this guy and the faggot overmind he represents is the single biggest cancer killing the left

just barely articulate enough to shit on anything genuinely radical, because resting on a base of fundamental comfort with the status quo, with the end result that the status quo remains implicitly the best

zizek is thoughtfully, and on the obvious basis of destabilising the manufacture of consent, supporting a candidate who isn't a globalist neocon, for very explicit reasons of praxis. but let's all just be nebulously sanctimonious about it so that other retard college-attending retards continue to be shaped into limp-dicked progressives, yet another generation of post-hippie useful idiots who vote for yet another opportunist bourgeois warhawk who jerks off bankers and thought-controlling capitalist media and culture outlets with every free appendage and completely serves neoliberal hegemony.

no one actually interacts with the argument. because everyone is bourgeois as fuck. in 20 years we'll all still be in /lit/ threads going "ugh of course [future zizek] supports [something illiberal], he's just a contrarian" so we can restart the cycle again and have another ten centuries of post-ideological capitalist obama clones

[Anonymous No.8722117]

>>8722108
this is one of the reason i quit leftism...leftists will swear racism is an inherent part of capitalism, then dedicate all their time to fighting racism instead of capitalism...it's like according to your own theories defeating racism from within capitalism will not be possible so what the fuck are you doing? dude, want to get a feel for how dumb the left is these days? people were calling for a boycott of new balance shoes because they congratulated trump on his win, since they are anti-tpp and trump is anti-tpp (new balance is one of the only shoe brands that still makes shoes in america) meanwhile the lefty kids were saying they would switch to nike since nike opposed trump...nike opposed trump because they wanted to open up a bunch of sweatshops in tpp countries instead of having to import from all the way in east asia, come on, leftists are protesting in favor of enabling nike sweatshops? really man? glad i quit the left when i did because this is beyond stupid.

[Anonymous No.8722118]

>>8722108

Don't waste your breath, comrade.

He'd rather force Christian bakers to bake pro-gay cakes and allow full-grown men into little girls' bathrooms than meaningfully overthrow the system.

Modern Leftists don't want a revolution - they want concessions from the status-quo.

[Anonymous No.8722121]

>>8722111

we get it, you think you know the best path to revolution and you don't care who you trample on to get there because you have enough privilege to be readily assured that you personally won't be one who gets trampled. aka you're bourgeois aspiring and the only results of your type of revolution would be you or people who are just like you at the top of society, essentially recreating the very unjust system you were shouting about as you stepped on the necks of the oppressed.

/yawn

[Anonymous No.8722127]

>>8722121
dude only oppressed people think in terms of class which is why the working class overwhelmingly voted trump, and rich dickheads voted for hillary, they get to feel smug about supporting men pissing in women's bathrooms, but also keep their comfy class position nice and safe from any uppity proles

[Anonymous No.8722128]

>>8722109
>Trump will not get a second term

He wasn't supposed to get a first term either. Be careful with your predictions.

[Anonymous No.8722130]

>>8721956
That's just factually wrong.

[Anonymous No.8722175]

>>8721956
>literal
there's that word again
get the FUCK out

[Anonymous No.8722184]

>>8722084
He hates Stalin. He does it ironically. You can see it in a video, where he points at his Stalin poster and says 'good honest guy'.

[Anonymous No.8722187]

>>8721944
Means he is smarter than you OP.

Any liberal with any principles left would never vote for Hillary Clinton. Either you are uninformed or retarded. Take your pick.

[Anonymous No.8722191]

>>8722121
>privilege
Dropped. Appellation to privilege invalidates an argument.

[Anonymous No.8722192]

>>8722121
exactly, i don't care who i trample on, now let me vote for a vagina who drones babies for her lobbyists and her pet state socialist

[Anonymous No.8722194]

>>8722184
maybe he was serious, stalin was the last bolshevik, after him it was all downhill

[Anonymous No.8722197]

>>8722191
>Appellation to privilege invalidates an argument
fallacy fallacy
now read the post again, Hillary voter

>>8722187
Hillary is the liberal choice. Real leftists are socialists though.

[Anonymous No.8722206]

>>8722187
No real liberal would vote for Donald Trump either.

[Anonymous No.8722210]

>>8722197
There's literally no point in arguing with someone who invokes privilege theory, however nuanced your argument may be. Get the fuck out of academia and let the grown-ups talk.

[Anonymous No.8722216]

>Literally shaking

[Anonymous No.8722236]

>>8721967
>You offer no concrete reason why heis "the only sensible position"

Hmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU

Not everyone wants a war-mongering neo-con as president, even if she has an axe-wound between her legs.

[Anonymous No.8722244]

>>8722102
Question: how does identity politics empower the poorest and most disenfranchised members of society?

I'm not saying it doesn't, and I'm not saying that people should go around being openly hateful to one another or acting like entitled brats oblivious to others' condition; I've just never heard a solid argument which would suggest that it does. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.8722251]

>>8722128
>Trump isn't a legitimate candidate
>Trump can't win the primaries
>Trump can't win the general election
You are here
>Trump won't get a second term
>Trump won't get a third term
>Trump won't set in motion the eventual repeal of term limits
>Trump won't slowly accumulate unconstitutional levels of executive and state powers
>Trump won't form a secret police to perform extra-juducial killings.
>Trump won't dissapear all the state level dissidents and replace them with puppet leaders.
>Trump won't purge congress, senate, and supreme court and declare himself supreme dictator with the full support of the people
>Trump won't burn the constitution and replace it with a military doctrine as the highest law in the land.
>Trump won't start the greatest war man has ever known, subjugate other nations and form the largest empire in human history
>Trump won't start a succsessful dynasty that will last until enternity, allowing humanity to enter a final and everlasting golden age
>Trump won't use all the strength and will he has to defend the United States from rebellious liberals who wish to unmake it, and allow corporations to trample over all Trump's great nation, eventually sacrificing himself as a true patriot
>Trump won't be remembered as the greatest man in all human history, he will not be entered into a pantheon where all will pray to as the dominant religion.
>Trump will not ascend to godhood, usurping the lord Himself
>Trump will not rule over all of heaven and earth as our eternal father
>Trump will not sit atop his lofty seat, gaze at the spectacle of man below and feel true pride for his countrymen, shedding a single tear whose splash spawns the most beatiful fountain in the universe.
>Trump will not Make America Great Again

[Anonymous No.8722254]

>>8722251
>Trump can ride his bike with no handlebars
>no handlebars
>no handlebars

[Anonymous No.8722424]

>Try to discuss the possibility that the behavior and economic success of certain demographics might be based partly on genetics

It is simply not scientific:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_misunderstandings_of_genetics#A_gene_for_X

[Anonymous No.8722429]

>>8722045

forgot to link you, here:

>>8722424

[Anonymous No.8722505]

>>8722424
>>8722429

It might not be, and that's perfectly fine, but that's not the point I am trying to make. The issue is that we can't even bring the topic (or any of the other mentioned) into a productive debate without being instantaneously regarded of being ''x'' or ''y'' because of this constant necessity from certain individuals to protect the feelings of others, or their own.

[Anonymous No.8722520]

>>8722045
Yeah I can't wait for public discourse to change from 'you're a bigot' to 'you're a cuck'.

[Anonymous No.8722525]

>>8722090
Define "Identity Politics".

[Anonymous No.8722534]

>>8722090
>accelerationism
>the followup to capitalism is totally gonna be Real Communism and not socialism with chinese characteristics guise!

[Anonymous No.8722542]

>>8722110
>the working class overwhelmingly supported trump
(not true, btw)

[Anonymous No.8722546]

>>8722542
pure ideology

[Anonymous No.8722551]

>>8722505

i agree partly. i don't think politics is a place, where "feelings" should be considered a valid factor. after all, we leftists provoke all the time. what if trump argues, that having a naked statue of him placed in various public spaces, gave him PTSD? i wouldn't give a shit.

but this emotionalization is on both sides. for example: try having an informed discussion about islam with liberals or right-wings. on the one hand you have idealization, on the other projective identification. it is this strange dichotomy that leaves leftists like me in a kind of political void, where you always fear to get applause from the wrong side.

[Anonymous No.8722556]

>>8722525
Learn to Google sperg.

[Anonymous No.8722561]

>>8722236
>implying trump isn't gonna let the republican war fetishists do whatever they want in whatsitcalledistan

[Anonymous No.8722573]

>>8722561
If you believe that, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't change the fact that Hillary is a war-mongering neo-con, who tried to dupe everyone into believing that she was some progressive powerhouse, which is some impressive Machiavellian machinations.