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8378270 No.8378270 [Reply] [Original]

What was Melkor's fucking problem?

>> No.8378277

>>8378270
Tom Bombadil.

>> No.8378309
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8378309

>be created by God for no reason
>created to be super excellent at everything, but have an itch that existence is nevertheless pointless
>constantly desire to create new things, to find some way out of the problem of existing
>God creates a bunch of other dudes like you
>they all immediately start prancing around like fucking fairies, unlike you they are just happy to be there
>they create a bunch of lesser things
>all of those things start prancing around like fucking fairies
>get annoyed
>create something that isn't just a "prancing fairy that creates more prancing fairies"
>add actual meaningful differentia to existence by doing so
>everyone gets mad at you for interrupting their fucking prancing
>say fuck it, i'm going to create something that undoes the act of creation
>start making interesting versions of Prancing Faggot Fairy #89811-B
>the result of your actions is that the world actually becomes interesting
>existence now has actual character, meaning, morals, spiritual struggle, instead of just being The Cosmic Container in Which We Prance
>entire history of the world that people later read about so avidly is basically "The History of Stuff We Did Because Melkor Did Something Else To Make Us Do That Stuff"
>history itself is your doing
>all you want as a reward is to die
>they lock you in a big fridge instead

>> No.8378318

>>8378309
JUST

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>>8378309
But did he have to be such a dick about it? It's not like he knew he was fulfilling Ilúvatar's will by destroying everything and being the chaos to the Ainur's order.

>> No.8378415

>>8378270
>applying character traits to broad strokes comparative mythology experiments

Melkor is Tolkien's rebel god analogue in his universe, everything about him is a re-purposing of villainous figures from other religious and mythical canons. It's borderline impossible to consider the godly figures in his works in their own right because they owe so much to pre-existing material and if you're familiar with said material you're just constantly thinking of the whole affair as someone's European/near-eastern mythology fanfiction that was meant to be a private guilty pleasure.

>> No.8378457

>>8378379
He's a big guy.

>> No.8378467

>>8378457
For Eru

>> No.8378882

Daddy issues.

>> No.8379091

>>8378415
>fanfiction
>meant to be a private guilty pleasure.
I don't think so Tim.

The thing that annoys me almost irrationally (>almost) is the implied relationship between the Balrog (that's obviously in part a reference to that shadow thing in Beowulf) and Sauron.

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>> No.8379936

>>8378309
Let's see if you'll still call orcs "interesting versions of Prancing Faggot Fairy #89811-B" if you find yourself face to face with one.

Idiot.

>> No.8380376

>>8378270
Some people are just cunts that are never satisfied with anything, so they always have to have more.

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8381344

>>8378270
He had to make the plot happen.

>> No.8381367

>>8378309
>>add actual meaningful differentia to existence by doing so

This was Eru's plan all along though.

At the end of time, he'll probably fistbump Melkor for being such a good villain.

>> No.8381476

>>8378309
This is a perfect description.

>> No.8381796

>>8378309
Ah, the Fuck-you-Dad interpretation of the Silmarillion.

>> No.8381800

>>8378309
>TL;DR: Perfection is boring, Judas made the Passion possible, and so on
Not that hard, considering how one-dimensional Tolkien´s characters are.

>> No.8381804

Melkor had to be the special snowflake despite Illuvatar already giving him the best of everything, and he kept trying to have things his way, and when that wouldn't work, he would wreck up the place.

>>8381367
Illuvatar's plans worked despite Melkor acting like a raging faggot.

>> No.8381819

>>8381804

Actually, after he made his music, Illuvatar told everyone he was cool with it. He had permission.

>> No.8381827

>they bought into the meme

Daily reminder that the Silmarillion is bad Elf propaganda and Melkor is the active lord of all Eä, including Arda, designated as such by the One.

>> No.8381829

>>8381367
IIRC somewhere in Silmarillion it is said that Melkor made the world more complete. As an example snow was mentioned, without freezing cold it would not exist, and without suffering joy would have no value.

>> No.8381836

>>8381829
Yeah, except if you know real pain and sorrow you also know that ignorance is a bliss.

>> No.8381860

>>8378270
He was autistic

>> No.8381868

>>8379936
i read this as an unusually serious response and it made me laugh

>Easy to say that when YOU'VE never lost family to the Orcs! Fucking piece of shit!

>> No.8382201

>>8379223
Why are the trees in the background much bigger than those in the foreground?

>> No.8382211

>>8382201
Because they're bigger?

>> No.8382365

>>8382211
How is it possible for trees to be so big? I have never seen such trees in real life. Tolkien really expects me to believe that? What a hack.

>> No.8382399

>>8382365
You ever seen an elf? Tell me where so I can go rape one immediately.

>> No.8382404

>>8382399
There is one in your mum's bedroom.

>> No.8382411

>>8382399
But you can't rape elfs in Tolkienverse. Except if your a necrophilia fag

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8382421

>>8381804
>blaming a dissonant piece of music
>not rigging the universe for better acoustics before adding distortion

Dagor Dagorath when?

>> No.8382438

>>8382411
Maybe I am, why do you mind? If it meant to get some elven pussy then I'm definitely into it.
>>8382404
Been there, done that.

>> No.8382448

>>8382438
Could you greentext your experience?

>> No.8382475

>>8382448
No, I'm taking a break from Miami Vice to look at some Evlven porn, got no time.