/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8359920]

Can we get a thread on /fringe/ intellectuals/philosophers/thinkers? I'm looking for works that are controversial, politically subversive, occultist, mystical, or just plain wacky. Wanna see how far down the rabbit hole I can go without resorting to Alex Jones-tier conspiratards or the literally insane.

So far my reading list includes Robert Anton Wilson, Wilhelm Reich, Carl Jung, Aliester Crowley, Nick Land, Arthur Koestler, and last but not least, WS Burroughs. Any other /fringe/ figures I should be reading? Fiction or non-fiction welcome.

[Anonymous No.8359937]

>>8359920
http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/L/La/Lanz_Adolf-Joseph_-_Theozoology.pdf

[Anonymous No.8359948]

>>8359920
How about Trofim Lysenko? I see he actually wrote stuff. He was a crazy kind of Soviet biologist.

[Anonymous No.8359952]

>>8359920
>Burroughs

Great but not fringe

[Anonymous No.8359959]

>>8359937
>>8359948
Thanks! I'll have to look into these

>>8359952
You don't think the idea of language as an extraterrestrial virus / system of control or the implicit subversion in his cut-up novels qualifies as fringe?

[Anonymous No.8359961]

Read Erich von Däniken, he speaks the truth.

[Anonymous No.8359968]

Ludovici A.M. is probably the most controversial 'intellectual' I've ever read because of his antisemitism, racial views and 'sexism'.

Mencken is similar but more mainstream.

[Anonymous No.8359988]

>>8359937
>In 1905, he published his book Theozoölogie oder die Kunde von den Sodoms-Äfflingen und dem Götter-Elektron[2] ("Theozoology") in which he advocated sterilization of the sick and the "lower races" as well as forced labour for "castrated chandals", and glorified the "Aryan race" as "Gottmenschen" ("god-men"). Lanz justified his esoteric racial ideology by attempting to give it a Biblical foundation; according to him, Eve, whom he described as initially being divine, involved herself with a demon and gave birth to the "lower races" in the process. Furthermore, he claimed that this led to blonde women being attracted primarily to "dark men", something that only could be stopped by "racial demixing" so that the "Aryan-Christian master humans" could "once again rule the dark-skinned beastmen" and ultimately achieve divinity. A copy of this book was sent to Swedish poet August Strindberg, from whom Lanz received an enthusiastic reply in which he was described as a "prophetic voice".

[Anonymous No.8359989]

I have to say OP, I myself avoid this kind of stuff as the plague but it could actually make you a more interesting person.
I will see if I can contribute some more.

[Anonymous No.8359994]

>>8359920

Check out Fredric Jameson's recent (2016) essay in which he argues for universal conscription as a path to communist utopia. his brand of Marxism is no longer widely in favor (meaning it is invested in culture but not in identity)

[Anonymous No.8359995]

Genesis P-Orridge - Thee Psychick Bible

[Anonymous No.8359997]

>>8359989
Why do you avoid it?

[Anonymous No.8360048]

>on the night on April 1, 1876, Mainländer hanged himself in his residence in Offenbach, using a pile of copies of The Philosophy of Redemption (which had arrived the previous day from his publisher) as a platform.

[Anonymous No.8360056]

Reporting.

[Anonymous No.8360057]

>>8360048
Poor guy.

[Anonymous No.8360058]

Wilhelm Reich. Thought orgasm energy was the essence of life and built "orgone accumulators" to harvest it. His books were pulped by the Feds in the largest instance of censorship in US history and he died while in prison for mail fraud (for mailing copies of said books.)

[Anonymous No.8360072]

>>8359997
I think "avoid" is too big of a word. I think my mind outdid my writing. Carl Jung spooks me, since he has a bad name in psychology. I am otherwise very interested in ideologies.

I wanted to say Herbert Spencer but I am very unsure. He doesn't seem as controversial as I thought and I might actually read him myself.

Is anarcho-primitivism good enough? You could read Derrick Jensen and maybe Lierre Keith.

The latter is also a radical feminist, maybe you could look at very radical feminists too.

Maybe some crazy theologian, whatever religion it is?

I did enjoy reading Aztec philosophy by James Maffie. The Aztecs had some crazy ideas too, namely that they believed they were in the last age of humans and that teotl, the energy of the universe, and thus their reign, could only be prolonged by spilling the blood of brave enemy warriors.

[Anonymous No.8360073]

>>8360057
he's free now anon

[Anonymous No.8360335]

>>8359989
I definitely understand reticence toward such material. I've always had a fascination with extremity, and think there is genuine wisdom to be found therein. However I also have concerns about the potential negative consequences; knowledge can be dangerous, I think, and I worry that it can degrade my mental health, render me totally out of touch with the rest of humanity, or something similarly frightening.

But I also think it's important to challenge yourself, and expose yourself to uncomfortable ideas and material.

I take some comfort in knowing I can still appreciate thoroughly un/fringe/ material as well; I enjoy the perversity of Ballard alongside the sentimentality of Dickens, and the nihilist aggression of Big Black or Acid Bath alongside the emotionally-resonant pop craftsmanship of They Might Be Giants or the exultant triumph of Bach. I guess I just want to achieve the right balance, and not teeter to close to one side or the other.

Anyway I appreciate all the recs itt. I've read some Zerzan, speaking of anarcho-primitivism. Namely his material in the Apocalypse Culture essay collection. Feral House publishing in general seem to excel at fringe material.

[Anonymous No.8360343]

>>8359988
It's like I'm reading the retarded son of /pol/, /r9k/ and /x/

[Anonymous No.8360350]

>>8360343
Strindberg thought he was great, for whatever that's worth.

[Anonymous No.8360357]

>>8360350
Oh, didn't realise that was included in the quote.

[Anonymous No.8360377]

>>8360350
He was a ironic shitposter giving some poor dolt an (You)

[Anonymous No.8360426]

>>8360048
>assuming nonexistence is even a possibility

>not realizing the cycle exists because there is no possible alternative state

[Anonymous No.8360440]

>>8360048
Wrong, we're all a bacterial colony in God's colon.

Screencap this post.

[Anonymous No.8360445]

>>8360377
>a
>an

wew

[Anonymous No.8360462]

Antonin Artaud - madmen and probably one of the few who inspired later french intellectual thought
Tony Duvert - gay and pedophile who as well was great writer and in some sense philosopher.
Pierre Guyotat - probably most controversial contemporary french writer. read wiki
oh, i get bored and lacked english so i'll stop

[Anonymous No.8360482]

Yeats to be perfectly honest. I'm reading A Vision (1937 version) and it is absolutely an absolutely brilliant symbolic/metaphysical system of psychology, but also quite bizarre and at times simply technical nonsense. And he is far the greater man of letters than any of the ones you listed. Those others are curiosities; Yeats is for all times, as strange as he was.

[Anonymous No.8360525]

Start with the Greeks (by following either chart), then read Plotinus' Enneads, the Chaldean Oracles and the Corpus Hermeticum BEFORE you get into esotericism and the occult! It's also worth looking into Kabbalah.

[Anonymous No.8360542]

Ragnar Redbeard
Pentti Linkola
Jacques Ellul

[Anonymous No.8360550]

>>8359920
Hakim bey - T.A.Z
Robert Anton Wilson- Prometheus Rising

[Anonymous No.8360577]

>>8360525

>Corpus Hermeticum

What's the point in getting into the occult and esotericism if all their good parts are just the dumbing down and aglomeration of other philosophies and religions? Just get into Buddhism and Hinduism and you get all it has to offer without getting in contact with people with Schizotypal Personality Disorder (which is actually a fucking plague in those circles)

[Anonymous No.8360640]

>>8359961

[Anonymous No.8360757]

bumping this thread because i'm looking for similar recs without the exception of
>Alex Jones-tier conspiratards or the literally insane

also read Pynchon if you ain't already. he's not exactly "fringe" but I'd probably consider him more out there than Burroughs and RAW

[Anonymous No.8360947]

>>8360482
I've only read The Tower; what beautiful use of language!

I'll have to look into this one.

[Anonymous No.8361052]

>>8360550
pederast detected

[Anonymous No.8361821]

>>8359920
Check out the publisher Loompanics.

Also both of these websites have huge libraries of occult and mystical texts.
http://hermetic.com/
http://www.hermetics.org/

[Anonymous No.8362168]

Crowley. Over and out.

[Anonymous No.8362173]

>>8359920

Noam Chomsky is an obvious suggestion

He's just one of many with a radically economic view of American history and politics

Has many interesting lectures. Good speaker, but a bit of a sophist so you have to be listening actively.

[Anonymous No.8362182]

Why do you want to read Reich? Why would you try to inundate your mind with psychoanalytic psuedo-science? For what purpose?

And on that topic,

>Jung

[Anonymous No.8362192]

>>8360335
>They Might Be Giants
That's a play and a film. I know you mean the band, but the film is lovely too.

[Anonymous No.8362218]

[Anonymous No.8362240]

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin?wprov=sfla1

[Anonymous No.8362263]

> controversial, politically subversive, occultist, mystical, or just plain wacky

L.Ron Hubbard is huge in this area and well worth reading about

[Anonymous No.8362425]

[Anonymous No.8362426]

Otto Weininger

[Anonymous No.8362474]

>>8360440
I want to be in the screencap.

[Anonymous No.8362522]

got some names, ill give some names

more well known, bataille, bergson, samuel delaney, adorno

less known, oscar kiss maerth (the beginning was the end), helmuth plessner, and gustav meyrink

it'd be cool to do this with positive-minded writers and thinkers as opposed to the usual group of abjection seekers (which I cherish as well) - a preliminary list would include isabelle eberhardt, clarice lispector, alphonso lingis, novalis, and the aforementioned bergson

[Anonymous No.8362539]

Might want to read some Seth books. About an entity who spoke through a woman for a large portion of her life during sessions, and gave life advice / insight into the nature of reality.

Also Robert Monroe wrote three books about his Out Of Body experiences. If you're interested in having OBE you likely can, I've just started focusing some of my time on it occasionally and have had two brief experiences.

Also there are books on Tibetan Dream yoga, which I haven't read but I think help you wake up to your true self in the dream world - this lucidity likely informs your waking life experience as well. Stephen LeBerge also writes about lucid dreaming but from a more scientific/empirical perspective.

I personally want my dream/sleeping life to be as vivid as possible without disrupting the sleep process because I think it adds a lot of value to your life as a human.

[Anonymous No.8362543]

>>8362240
>>8362522

teillhard de chardin as well!

[Anonymous No.8362601]

>>8359920

As is typical of /lit/ pretense, you just want to read fashionable (left) wackos for personal amusement while at the same time rejecting certain popular right wackos out-of-hand (you do not reject them all, as you've mentioned Land).

Instead, simply actually listen to the Alex Jones radio program, anon. You know that you really want to (for the same reason as your initial prompt - simple entertainment/curiosity), or else you wouldn't have name-dropped him to begin with.

Digest the equivalent of 5-10 hours of Jones' content, over a few days, or week. Give him a chance to set the hook. If you can come away after extended exposure and still say "nah that's crap", then you'll speak from a position of knowledge, and have an anecdote or two to show for it.

After all, he's full of shit - what have you got to lose apart from the time? You're interested in this type of nonsense anyway, so you may as well try some of the other nonsense.

[Anonymous No.8362652]

>>8362601
weak post

Alex Jones is just boring is all. everything he blames on Globalists. he's not far out or crazy enough. the fun of reading fringe writers is reading extremism and original if idiotic thinking

Alex Jones is a moderate conservative who wears the "libertarian" and "conspiracy theorist" badges as a marketing stunt

if you think rewrapping everything the left does under the label of a new world order is "fringe" you're way off

[Anonymous No.8362658]

>>8359920
Adolf Hitler

[Anonymous No.8362719]

>>8360072
>The Aztecs had some crazy ideas too, namely that they believed they were in the last age of humans
Really makes you think about Hegel and the people he influenced.

[Anonymous No.8362794]

>>8362601

>Instead, simply actually listen to the Alex Jones radio program, anon. You know that you really want to (for the same reason as your initial prompt - simple entertainment/curiosity), or else you wouldn't have name-dropped him to begin with.

damn anon you got him good.

but seriously you aren't the effortless armchair profiler that you'd like to think you are.

[Anonymous No.8362912]

>>8362652
>>8362794

And here's where the both of you fail, although the former post does an abler job of dismissing Jones.

Even if one of you should chance to be the OP, the following is still clearly true (which puts the lie to the latter's conceit): in the event that the OP has not spent time listening to Alex Jones memery, then he clearly wants to, /by the very simple fact that he has said "oh no, not THAT one! That one's GROSS!"/ The OP has all at once acknowledged and registered some emotion over Jones, and therefore of /course/ the OP has some interest in Jones, even if perversely, ironically, etc. But this goes directly to his purported interests. But this is the one I like to imagine, and the other must be stated for consistency and honesty.

The less exciting but obvious possibility is that the OP has in fact done the above exercise (maybe the OP is also >>8362652 , for example) and honestly dismissed Jones on his (that is, the OP's) own initiative. In that case, the OP would be to be lauded for actually engaging with the content.

[Anonymous No.8362918]

Stirner, cause no one knows who the fuck he is except for this board and /leftypol/

[Anonymous No.8362922]

>>8362918
not really. pretty much anyone interested in anarchist thought or continental philosophy beyond undergrad level knows of him too.

[Anonymous No.8362930]

>>8362912

I hasten to add that a reader of /lit/ should /read the text/ of the OP, and /read between the lines./

What does the OP really say? "I'd like to read some batshit crazies, weirdos, and batshit crazy weirdos for fun! Recommend me some stuff!"

In paragraph one, /the very first person that the OP indicates by name, before he mentions anyone else/, is Jones. This primary placement indicates that Jones is very much on the OP's mind for the type of thing that he's interested in, even if he does in fact personally reject Jones from a position of knowledge,as I've suggested.

It takes a whole other paragraph (that the two paragraphs are both tiny does not alter the importance of this point) for the OP to suggest other authors as those that he is more positively interested in. But they do come second.

[Anonymous No.8362950]

"Suicide Note" by Mitchell Heisman
https://web.archive.org/web/20141010213832/http://www.suicidenote.info/ebook/suicide_note.pdf#pagemode=bookmarks&page=1

>Mitchell Heisman, the man who shot himself September 18, 2010 in Harvard Yard, killed himself as ”Experimental Elimination of Self-Preservation,” according to an extensive suicide note he has published online. The note, found at the domain http://www.suicidenote.info/ , is over 1,905 pages long, and divided into complicated subsections. In its totality, the document sketches Heisman’s dense, heavily-cited social, political, and ethical philosophy, and promotes his book, heretofore unpublished.

"The Lightning and the Sun" by Savitri Devi
http://www.savitridevi.org/PDF/lightning.pdf

>[Savitri Devi] was a proponent of Hinduism and Nazism, synthesizing the two, proclaiming Adolf Hitler to have been sent by Providence, much like an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu. She believed Hitler was a sacrifice for humanity which would lead to the end of the Kali Yuga induced by who she felt were the powers of evil, the Jews.[4] Her writings have influenced neo-Nazism and Nazi occultism.

[Anonymous No.8363007]

>>8362425
/thread

Seriously, this man ties together a good majority of the previous authors mentioned in this thread. He lampoons Hubbard and his relation to Crowley, wrote VALIS and might even be considered to have outdone Robert Anton Wilson in the Wacky/Occult departments. Not to mention that the man made way for a lot of the lingo used on /pol/ like Redpilled, and other Matrix concepts. He also predicted the use of home computers/Internet. We a owe a large part of cyberculture to the man.

If you are going to read anyone from the fashionable left, at least make it someone who has a very wide influence. (The Matrix, Blade Runner, Total Recall, etc.)
"1)Those who agree with you are insane
2)Those who do not agree with you are in power." -PKD

[Anonymous No.8363331]

>>8362601
I've engaged with Jones, actually (though admittedly it's been several years), and while I found him fun, I excluded the likes of him and the "literally insane" because I think reading them fulfills a different function than the likes of what I'm looking for itt. Basically, >>8362652 hits the nail right on its head.

And I don't know why you assume I'm only interested in lefties; I've appreciated every recommendation I've received thus far, including those whose work involves eugenics. That's not really a leftie ideal, is it?

[Anonymous No.8363356]

>>8359920
>Nick Land

Now that's fringe af. Carl Jung isn't though.

You should really read Evola and Spengler.

Also Ernst Jünger might be considered 'fringe' by some, and he's absolutely brilliant.

[Anonymous No.8363363]

>>8359920
>politically subversive
Hilaire Belloc, Chesterton, MacIntyre, Feser, Ratzinger

[Anonymous No.8363407]

>>8359920
Really, no Gurdjieff? I've even seen a pasta memetioning him and his disciple Ouspensky a couple of times so he can't be entirely unheard of here.

[Anonymous No.8363425]

[Anonymous No.8363465]

>>8363356
>Carl Jung.
He is nowadays. But you could add Freud and Lacan to it too.
Here is a somewhat controversial evolutionary psychologist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa

[Anonymous No.8363467]

>>8359920
Good list for the most part, but Jung is one of the biggest names in his field. That'd be like calling Shakespeare a fringe playwright.

[Anonymous No.8363486]

>>8363356
Land is canon tbqh

[Anonymous No.8363491]

>>8359920
Principia Discordia

[Anonymous No.8363510]

>>8363407
I tried reading some of his stuff but I didn't make it very far. I have read lizard music and watched holy mountain which are both based on a book by one of his follower but I didn't take much from them. Did buy a karakul hat. Convince me to pick him back up.

[Anonymous No.8363544]

What is the occult anyways? I suspect it's just some magic bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8363735]

This lad is trying to warn us but we're not going to listen.

[Anonymous No.8363752]

>>8359920

>Arthur Koestler

Very interesting person. An extremely intelligent idiot. Wrote mostly absolute drivel or propaganda, but one very great novel, and lived a life worth Michael Scammell's MASSIVE biography. Apparently he raped Simone de Beauvoir. Take a look at him on wikipedia.

[Anonymous No.8363856]

>>8363752
>Apparently he raped Simone de Beauvoir.

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly impress me any more, Koestler, you've gone and done it again.

[Anonymous No.8363858]

reposting this meme

[Anonymous No.8363879]

>>8359959

The idea of language as a system of control and its deconstruction as a mean of liberation is a base concept of (post-)structuralism. That's not fringe. Look for example at this structuralist film classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzRAB2MjSNA

The deconstruction of the word "destroy" through repetition is a similar strategy as the one proposed by Borroughs.

[Anonymous No.8363885]

>>8363752
>>8363856
with all the young girls she raped she had it coming desu

[Anonymous No.8363900]

>>8363858
seems legit to me
brown pill should include Autobiography of a Yogi

[Anonymous No.8363923]

>>8360048
it could be that the goal is existence
we want to realise the formless state as existent so we strive for that
God wants to exist so he makes the world happen
works in both directions

[Anonymous No.8363931]

>>8362922
>>8362918
stirner is a meme

[Anonymous No.8363968]

>>8363931
your life is a meme

[Anonymous No.8363980]

>>8363968
you're right, actually

[Anonymous No.8363993]

>>8363752
>"In The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) Koestler advanced a theory that Ashkenazi Jews are descended, not from the Israelites of antiquity, but from the Khazars, a Turkic people in the Caucasus that converted to Judaism in the 8th century and was later forced westwards. Koestler argued that a proof that Ashkenazi Jews have no biological connection to biblical Jews would remove the racial basis of European anti-Semitism."

[Anonymous No.8363999]

>>8363465
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa

Evolutionary psychologists are always racist, I love it.

MacDonald, Pinker, Salter...

It's just because they take IQ very seriously so they just don't like niggers

[Anonymous No.8364006]

>>8363923
he already existed though

[Anonymous No.8364010]

>>8363993
>tfw it's all but been confirmed
http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/03/03/gbe.evw046

[Anonymous No.8364023]

>>8364010
>http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/03/03/gbe.evw046

Paul Wexler lmfao... the biggest self-hating kike linguist there is.

He also tries to argue that Hebrew is an inherently slavic language, against the consensus of every modern Jewish and Goysiche linguistics expert.

I would take what he says with a grain of salt. He is bent on pushing an agenda of European/non-semitic origin for Jews. This flies directly in the face of Y-DNA analysis of Jewish genetics.

[Anonymous No.8364024]

>>8364006
not if god is acausal and prior to existence

[Anonymous No.8364030]

>>8363879
not the guy who you are replying to but William S. Burroughs is not in any textbooks for his theories regarding psychology, ontology, history, biology, physics or religion, all of which he has written extensively about. He is definitely fringe. There are parts in Junky about how heroin extends life in the same way you can infinite starve a worm and regenerate it, and sitting in metal boxes that suck life energy from the atmosphere and restore people.

[Anonymous No.8364043]

>sitting in metal boxes that suck life energy from the atmosphere and restore people.

that's wilhelm reich's orgone accumulator you're talking about

[Anonymous No.8364047]

>>8364043

Yes dude. It is. And this pathetic idiotism fueled student riots in Paris in '68.

Unbelievable. I get that people want to have a bit of magic in their lives, but can we keep that related to love and emotion? And not to weird pseudo-scientific theories that can be abused by profit seekers and charlatans?

[Anonymous No.8364061]

>>8364024
everything that 'is' exists

[Anonymous No.8364063]

>>8359920
he looks like 'normies reeeee' the person

[Anonymous No.8364137]

>>8364047
How do you know they're charlatans?

[Anonymous No.8364170]

>>8364137

Because Reich is a Jew and Jews are deceitful liars.

>Yes Goyim... you need to restore your life energy... buy my $5000 orgone accumulator manufactured by my friend Shlomo Horowitzteinbergmanblatt

[Anonymous No.8364200]

>>8364170
I'm not talking about Reich in particular, but all the /fringe/, mystics, etc

[Anonymous No.8364251]

>>8364061
unless 'is' and 'is not' mean the same

[Anonymous No.8364715]

Anyone got a good guide/chart for where to start with Aleister Crowley?

[Anonymous No.8364717]

>>8362173
His views aren't radical, they're pretty standard outside the US

[Anonymous No.8364746]

>>8360577
t. White man with dreads

We have our own esotericism in the west, it's just as good, fucking use it and stop pretending to be Asian

[Anonymous No.8365219]

>>8363465

[Anonymous No.8366270]

>>8359920
RE/Search publications. I'm partial to the two volumes dedicated to JG Ballard, Burroughs' issue, and the Industrial Culture Handbook. I've heard the Incredibly Strange Music volume is good, but never bothered to read it.

[Anonymous No.8366292]

>>8363858

[Anonymous No.8366749]

>>8363544
Occult societies are esoteric traditions or traditions which are intended to be shared only with initiates and not with the general public. Much of the information that later became chemistry was in occult traditions at one time. They also usually contain ethical systems.

[Anonymous No.8366892]

U.G. Krishnamurti.

>And then, towards the end, I insisted, "Come on, is there anything behind the abstractions you are throwing at me?" And that chappie said, "You have no way of knowing it for yourself". Finish – that was the end of our relationship, you see – "If I have no way of knowing it, you have no way of communicating it. What the hell are we doing? I've wasted seven years. Goodbye, I don't want to see you again". Then I walked out.

[Anonymous No.8367114]

Bumping to save this for later

[Anonymous No.8367119]

I don't know if they have been mentioned already, but I've really enjoyed reading Theodore Kaczynski and in my opinion the greatest thinker in my country, Pentti Linkola.

[Anonymous No.8367229]

>>8366270
I, too, have the Industrial Culture Handbook and the Burroughs/TG issue. I also have Ballard's Atrocity Exhibition published by RE/Search. I recommend all 3 of these books to anyone.

Incredibly Strange Music is good, and so is Zines.

[Anonymous No.8367345]

>>8362912

You're either a terrible reader of Freud, or an avid reader of his wikipedia article. Hang yourself, worthless swine.

[Anonymous No.8367803]

You want some real fringe shit my nigga?
Just make a thread on /lit/ or /x/; asking about their personal beliefs.

[Anonymous No.8367972]

[Anonymous No.8367987]

>>8359920
OP what do you think about Carl Jung's contribution to the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous?

[Anonymous No.8368513]

>>8367803
It would be extremely enlightening.

[Anonymous No.8368579]

>>8367229
>I recommend all 3 of these books to anyone.
I'd kill for a scanned pdf or an ebook. Why Vale decided to not digitalize his catalogue is fucking beyond me. Ordering from Amazon is out of question since I don't live in the US, and while the books themselves might be around $20, the shipping will be twice that.

[Anonymous No.8368587]

>>8362912
This is like a poor man's parody of a Slavoj Zizek lecture, go kys.

[Anonymous No.8368595]

>>8366892
This man is based as fuck, it takes balls to reject both the heritage entrusted unto you and all the spiritual leaders that you were supposed to follow.

[Anonymous No.8368627]

>>8366292
This is so randomly slapped together that it hurts. Hedges and Klein, Graeber, Chomsky, Adorno, Joyce, Milton, Eliot, McLuhan, Horkheimer - ok, this is quality stuff, Eco is good too, Dick is entertaining (so is Anton Wilson and Castaneda), but generally speaking I see no "fringe" or "revolutionary" stuff here. Most of it is outdated, in fact, but I'd have to write a blog post explaining that. Also:

Late Jung and Huxley = demented drivel of Alzheimer's patients. Blavatsky = made up occult systems based on misinformation, misinterpretation and lies. Crowley died friendless.

[Anonymous No.8368632]

>>8363007
this. Also his capture of drug users was spot on

[Anonymous No.8368635]

>>8368627
Demiurge spotted. I won't fall for your tricks!

[Anonymous No.8368652]

>>8368635
Demiurge spotted. I won't fall for your tricks!

[Anonymous No.8368659]

Check out Exploits and Opinions of Dr. Faustroll, Pataphysician by Alfred Jarry.

And anything else by him.

[Anonymous No.8368662]

>>8368652
Demiurge spotted. I won't fall for your tricks!

[Anonymous No.8368669]

William Cooper, Fritz Springmeier are the big boys.

Funny also about how PKD seemed to write about multiple personality disorder due to dissociation in both VALIS and A Scanner Darkly. Prescience...?

[Anonymous No.8368673]

>>8368579
If you search Google for "Industrial Culture Handbook", you'll find a PDF on vk.com

As far as I know, these books are not available on Amazon and only available through RE/Search, where I got them in the first place.

I already recommended Genesis P-Orridge's Thee Psychick Bible earlier in this thread - you should get that because it contains a lot of material related to Burroughs' cut-ups and industrial music. It's a great companion to the Handbook. It's a Feral House book.

[Anonymous No.8368686]

>>8363735
This is the farthest thing from fringe. This is mainstream fear, backed up by an irrational obsession with "what could happen".

Whats fucked up is that everyone who reads this thinks the same thing, no one is listening to this man, hes proclaiming the doomsday, etc

he just put into words what all the paranoid nerds are afraid of. dont celebrate this "intellectual" garbage.

[Anonymous No.8368705]

>>8368686
are you saying it's not a legitimate concern?

[Anonymous No.8368739]

>>8368705
become one with the machine, anon
it's not like you're not halfway there

[Anonymous No.8368788]

>>8368739
i welcome our AI overlords desu. they'll love us memers more than normies, we've been feeding it captchas for the last decade

[Anonymous No.8368817]

>>8368739
>it's not like you're not halfway there
You're joking, but I'd gladly trade nootropics for actual implants or artificial organs and limbs.

[Anonymous No.8368855]

Any good occult/fringe publishing houses? Someone mentioned Feral House earlier, but they seem too overt and memey. Scarlet Imprint has some neat stuff, just a bit pricey.

[Anonymous No.8368893]

>>8368855
Urbanomic, Process Media, Creation Books, Zero Books, Loompanics Unlimited, Dilettante Press, Re/Search and V/Search, 2.13.61 (this is a publishing house owned by Henry Rollins), Paladin Press, Punctum, Semiotext(e).

[Anonymous No.8368928]

>>8360482
yes op Yeats' gyres fit this threat perfectly, but i'm not sure you'd even want to read about it. The problem is even if you do understand them it all seems so impenetrable still

[Anonymous No.8368929]

Jack Kerouac, anyone?

[Anonymous No.8368967]

No Charles Fort? For shame. To this day he's an outlier's outlier. An oddball who collected Things Which Don't Fit.

Personally I find RA Wilson tedious, but to each their own.

Phil Dick is fine and certainly influential but you're venturing into zones of actual mental illness with him.

There are basically two big blops of esoterica that form roughly cohesive balls of nonsense - late 19th century/early 20th mystical/spiritual that runs the gamut from Blavatsky to Crowley, and then the big 60's/70's revival which includes big names like Leary and Castaneda and Lilly and Von Daniken and the like.

As long as you don't take it all too seriously it's a lot of fun.

But Jung? Jung had a live wire deep into the heart of the human psyche, and as long as you're not looking for science you can find some damn interesting trails that he set down.

[Anonymous No.8368972]

>>8364061
Protip: Being is not a being

[Anonymous No.8369050]

I'd go so far as to say that Illuminatus! is a decent primer to the whole ball of insane wax since it takes it as a starting point that every single conspiracy theory and bit of esoterica is and was absolutely true.

It's all a bit juvenile, no argument, but if you're in the mood it's a decent little amusement. Dan Brown retreaded a lot of this stuff and made a billion dollars, but Shea and Wilson were there first and (IMHO) a little better.

[Anonymous No.8369763]

>>8368929
in what sense is kerouac fringe?

[Anonymous No.8370064]

>>8363331
>involves eugenics. That's not really a leftie idea
actually

[Anonymous No.8371657]

Yet Another Meme

[Anonymous No.8371745]

>>8364030
Which of his works have these essays? I would like to a least check them out.

[Anonymous No.8371763]

>>8371745
Nova trilogy contains a lot of his musings on language

[Anonymous No.8371773]

>>8371745
You should get The Job, which is a series of interviews cut in with demonstrative passages from his work. It's the best place to start. His interview in the Paris Review is also very good, which you can find online.

[Anonymous No.8371777]

>>8371763
Cool. I guess those will be next. I already read Junky.

[Anonymous No.8371787]

>>8371773
Oh that seems great too. Thanks! I'll check that out first then his Nova trilogy.

[Anonymous No.8371795]

>>8371787
If you like the Nova trilogy, then go for The Burroughs File, which is more of his highly experimental language-related material.

[Anonymous No.8371806]

You read this guy's poetry?

[Anonymous No.8372192]

>>8371806
le trap queen face

[Anonymous No.8372893]

>>8371806
didn't know he wrote poetry. i've heard some of his music though.

[Anonymous No.8373000]

>>8359920
if youre into those guys, I'd recommend Gilles Deleuze, Auston Osman Spare, Peter Carrol, Phil Hone, Chris Hyatt, Guy Debord, John C Lilly, Timothy Leary, Eliphas Levi, Franz Bardon, Philip K Dick's later work, Luke Rhinehart, Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky.

[Anonymous No.8373113]

http://www.lsr-projekt.de/poly/ennietzsche.html

tl;dr: Nietzsche had a crisis at the start of his career, which (according to himself) he got out of with Schopenhauer's guidance; this crisis was immediately preceded by becoming intimate friends with one of Stirner's close friends. Nietzsche was at the time also interested by the Young Hegelians and read some of them, and had to be aware of Stirner because books he throughly read mentioned him; however he himself never mentions Stirner, even when others call on their similarities, and his (crazy) sister was insistent on making sure people deny Nietzsche knew of him.

Stirner was the Abyss that gazed into Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.8373132]

>>8367803
>>8368513
Is that a proposition?

[Anonymous No.8374517]

bump -- good thread

[Anonymous No.8375141]

bump

[Anonymous No.8375199]

Already mentioned, but Evola.

His refutations of Nietzsche and Heidegger are among the best I've ever read, and I've pretty much never encountered him outside rare threads on 4chan.

Haven't bothered with any of his /x/-ey, esoteric stuff though.

[Anonymous No.8375230]

>>8375199
He has been memed to death and back actually.

[Anonymous No.8375239]

>>8375230

Yeah, by idiot conservative/reactionary /pol/acks who think he's one of their own in any meaningful sense.

[Anonymous No.8375808]

>>8375199
Could you semmarize said refutations?

[Anonymous No.8375922]

>>8363356
Spengler is shit

[Anonymous No.8375929]

Hillaire Belloc
Bertrand de Jouvenel
Thomas Carlyle

[Anonymous No.8375966]

>>8359920

>occultist
>mystical
>subversive
>wacky

Martianus Mineus Felix Capella, De Nuptiis Mercurii et Philologiae

Super fringe, even his translator grew to hate him. But they loved him in the early middle ages.

Another wacky weird thing that most people have not heard of/read and that was recently Englished: Alain de Lille De Planctu Naturae

[Anonymous No.8376088]

>>8359920
Ludwig Klages - The Biocentric Worldview
Revilo Oliver

[Anonymous No.8376092]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trafficking-Sexual-December-Dav-Crabes-ebook/dp/B01JKQ1QU2

[Anonymous No.8376288]

>>8367119
>I don't know if they have been mentioned already, but I've really enjoyed reading Theodore
real life genius supervillian

[Anonymous No.8376362]

Dean M. Saxton is a master theologian

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AeVdxxq6I0o

[Anonymous No.8376375]

>>8376362

lol I feel this is just real-life trolling

[Anonymous No.8376396]

Ezra Pound. The Cantos in particular.

[Anonymous No.8376417]

>>8376396

Never read him, why is Pound considered fringe?

[Anonymous No.8376434]

Frithjof Schuon. His takedown of Relativism alone is a pleasure to read and he's got quite a lot of perennialist theology/philosophy to his name.

[Anonymous No.8376455]

>>8362601
wew op btfo

[Anonymous No.8376491]

>>8376417
Mostly because he's both one of the great genius poets of the modern age and because he wholeheartedly believed that usury and international capitalism was to blame for World War 1 to the point that he openly preferred and made radio speeches in favor of fascist Italy against the US.

That and because the Cantos is 116 long poems which include tons of non-english quotations, chinese script, anti-usury stuff and confucianism.

[Anonymous No.8376494]

house of leaves

alfred jerry and 'apataphor stuff

satan burger
ass goblins of aushwitzc

there was another title I couldn't recall
Its like "Giant motherfuckers of fucking something" it had huge babies towering above a city skyline on the cover.

[Anonymous No.8376498]

>>8376494
also just research cults
usually the leaders have some sort of manifesto or writings.

the unabombers manifesto. various manifestos of murderers and rapists.

the Children of God had some pretty wacky brochures about "ffing" or friendly fishing

[Anonymous No.8376539]

>>8367345

I've done neither; quite the opposite I'm simply right in my analysis. No one is getting hanged.

>>8368587

No it isn't. It's a perfectly good and reasonable observation on the language of OP's post. I'm just going to keep on living and being right, with the information available to me.

>>8376455

That said, if one follows the thread of conversation then it /later/ turns out that it is reasonable to suppose that the OP >>8363331 has in fact spent some time listening to Jones and honestly, informatively concluded for himself that Jones is boring/uninteresting. Although in the interest of honesty this does render my earlier suggestions moot, recall that I didn't have a clear indication from the OP at the time as to his Jones-exposure. So it turns out that my advice was still sound, if now moot. OTOH I was totally right >>8362930 that the OP had Jones "in mind" since he not only mentioned him first, but a later post purporting to be the OP finds our OP expanding on having actually given Jones a try.

[Anonymous No.8376589]

>>8363007

>might even be considered to have outdone Robert Anton Wilson in the Wacky/Occult departments.

In which books?

[Anonymous No.8376669]

>>8376491
He made mentioned broadcasts inside of Fascist Italy to boot.

[Anonymous No.8376754]

>>8360335

Acid Bath was the only thing you did right in that post.

[Anonymous No.8376778]

>>8376491
Was it Pound that believed Confucianism was the final stage of Fascism? Or was that Evola?

[Anonymous No.8376848]

>>8359920
>no literally insane people
>nick land included

[Anonymous No.8376877]

I would like to put forward the philosophical pessimist Emil Cioran.

[Anonymous No.8376887]

>>8362918
>Stirner is fringe
he's pretty popular lmao
and his beliefs aren't that wierd

[Anonymous No.8376911]

>>8362912

I"m way to high to be reading this shit. Please take some of these excess pronouns, adverbs and independent clauses and kill your self with them my G.

[Anonymous No.8376949]

>>8376877
Great and well worth a read.

[Anonymous No.8376967]

>>8376911
dude weed lmao

[Anonymous No.8377529]

>>8376877
the most lit lad ever

[Anonymous No.8377817]

R scott bakker is the most sublime /lit/ intellectual. If you like fantasy and philosophy, you won't find anyone like him.

[Anonymous No.8377819]

>>8377817
kek

[Anonymous No.8378758]

Gurdjieff

John C Lilly

Nick Land

[Anonymous No.8378913]

>>8371806

when she succ me