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Anonymous Wed Dec 9 22:59:38 2015 No.7444146 [DELETED]

Regular /g/ here. Literature sucks. Writers, dramatists and other idiots never, ever solved any practical problems of mankind. All they ever did was write stuff 99% of people never read or needed in life. All the great achievements and solutions of mankind were done by scientists and economists. So long, bookworms!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:00:24 2015 No.7444153 b-but...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:00:51 2015 No.7444154 File: 6 KB, 225x225, 1449457094099.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:03:11 2015 No.7444167 File: 18 KB, 250x226, dog-puke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444146 >economists solving problems

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:03:47 2015 No.7444173 File: 627 KB, 1116x880, Gottlob_Frege_(Emil_Tesch).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:07:26 2015 No.7444186 poets have historically gotten pussy you're looking at things all wrong, familigia

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:39:09 2015 No.7444314

>>7444146
I agree with you, OP. Reading philosophy and literature doesn't give a man any practical skills. It's just a waste of time. At least when I read and study my computer programming book I acquire a real, practical skill. Reading philosophy gives you nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:45:29 2015 No.7444326 File: 697 KB, 857x575, 12109267_588081947997247_4470994976145147575_n.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw he's right

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:47:50 2015 No.7444330 Yeah but we'll die anyway so whatever

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:47:58 2015 No.7444331

>>7444146
Excellent ruse, friend, but, to clear it up for people who believe this, language, which writers are innovators of, is responsible for all the commodities we have today, even the technological ones: without language, thought is impossible, and without thought math is incomprehensible, and, well, you can take it from there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:48:33 2015 No.7444333 >>7444314 Why_not_both.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:50:30 2015 No.7444336 >>7444146 Sounds like you need a nice tranny to lick your ads clean dawg. Keep it real

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:51:13 2015 No.7444337 >>7444331 writers didn't invent the terms "cpu" or "harddrive" or "ram" that's such a weak argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:51:14 2015 No.7444338 >>7444326 I'm always right because I apply math, logic, science and rationalism. I'm not guided by emotions like you /lit/urds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:52:15 2015 No.7444343 >>7444338 Well, what's to be done, then? What should we do? Should we burn all the books, or just forget about them? I think burning would be worse, because they'd get rarer (ergo their perceived value would go up)

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:54:46 2015 No.7444352

>>7444337
The terms you listed are language and exist solely because language as evolved to the point that they can be expressed. If you were to take away every written work in history, our language system would not be advanced for those words to even exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:54:54 2015 No.7444355 >>7444337 Let him roll in his own pile of shits. Reality has proved him wrong. All the things, from toothpicks to space shuttles are the result of work done by scientists and engineers. Scientists & Engineers > philosophers, writers

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:56:18 2015 No.7444358 >>7444352 I think we'd do just fine, actually. As long as we kept the science books

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:57:13 2015 No.7444362 >>7444337 For a guy proclaiming his intelligence, you're pretty dumb to not know the difference between individual vocabulary and language, with all of its semantic rules and understandings, as a whole. Also, I'll bet you're a whiny pussy irl.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:58:32 2015 No.7444367 File: 47 KB, 469x464, 1446583841900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it is true philosophy is a load of shit, but literature isn't good because it solves problems, it's good because it kills time while also encouraging thinking skills

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:58:38 2015 No.7444369
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Why are you guys falling for such obvious bait? Even if the guy really is this idiotic, he's too self-assured and obstinate to change his inane ideas. Just let it go. "STEM vs humanities" is a dumb meme.

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:58:43 2015 No.7444370

>>7444343
We should only burn the useless fiction like Anne Carenine, War & Peace, In Search of Lost Time and other useless books. We should keep science books, engineering books, programming books and other books which teach us how to manipulate the physical world. Also, we should keep all the non-fiction books, such as Capitalism and Freedom, which teach us how to organize our society the best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:58:57 2015 No.7444371 File: 19 KB, 333x439, 1440565588563.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444355 >>7444358 The mist of your ruse has thinned. The truth has been revealed. I am beyond your pitiful bait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:59:39 2015 No.7444373 File: 153 KB, 1030x967, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >caring about anything Uh, have fun faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 23:59:52 2015 No.7444376 >>7444367 You can kill time by solving practical problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:00:09 2015 No.7444378 >>7444371 well op is obviously trolling but I do think that literature is pretty much pointless. it's fun to write it in the moment, but what's gained, in the end? I haven't enjoyed reading since I was like 12 years old

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:00:37 2015 No.7444380 >>7444373 what is this, a picture for tralfamadorians?

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:03:42 2015 No.7444384

>>7444376
but literature is interesting and accessible to a large portion of the population
it's better to have a somewhat intelligent populace than to have a portion of people that don't enjoy practical problems and just stay retarded for their whole lives

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:05:08 2015 No.7444390

>>7444378
Literature is just a method for useless people to feel smart and have a sense of achievement. Bill Gates is worth more than all of writers and philosophers because Bill Gates actually made something and made the world better and more fun. That was just an example.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:10:18 2015 No.7444408

>>7444378
Reading--and not just reading but art as a whole--provides the deepest and most profound connection one can have with another being. When art is made, it is tinged by the artist's conscious; it is an extension of the artist; it contains his beliefs, his emotions, and his dreams. By reading, watching movies, and listening to music, you become privy to how another being, a separate entity interprets reality and information. While there is no intrinsic value in this (there's no intrinsic value or meaning in anything, for that matter), it is still consoling, soothing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:12:43 2015 No.7444416 File: 11 KB, 256x196, truth2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444408 OP here. You sound like a faggot. Man up and learn to build a laser cannon like I did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:13:51 2015 No.7444422 Since this thread is shit, I'll just post here. Is warosu down for you guys too?

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:13:55 2015 No.7444423

>>7444338
>inb4 logic is a branch of philosophy
>inb4 math is applied logic
>inb4 science is a branch of philosophy
>inb4 rationalism is a branch of philosophy
>implying STEMfags actually use rationalism instead of empiricism

I'll just wait for reality to hit you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:14:41 2015 No.7444426 File: 245 KB, 682x568, 1440458757266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444408 >muh feelings you're not going to convince a stem autist of anything that way m8

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:17:00 2015 No.7444434 >>7444416 Your bait is weak, friend.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:18:02 2015 No.7444439

>>7444423
>this is a category of this because I said so
labels don't matter, the skills you use in a scientific setting are entirely different than those you would use in a literary setting
philosophy requires similar thought processes, but it focuses on intangible shit that can't actually be applied to the real world
it's more of a workout than anything else, of no inherent worth, but useful in the skills you hone while doing it

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:18:15 2015 No.7444440

> I see no value in any form of entertainment
>especially a thought provoking variety
>the development of empathy and universal comprehension has no place in modern industry
> specialization is great except when applied to creating this commodity

3/10, made me reply

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:19:38 2015 No.7444449 >>7444434 I'm not your friend, nor would I be friends with a poetry faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:20:57 2015 No.7444455 >>7444439 >>this is a category of this because I said so Not him, but if you can't even understand how the categories of science fit together, you're retarded.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:22:24 2015 No.7444461

>>7444439
In other words, you value natural philosophy (science) more because you are a materialistic churl; and rather than do something difficult like learn about reality or how to think, you just want life to be more comfortable and convenient.

>intangible shit

If you cannot apply philosophy to your own life, that is due to your dearth of a sufficient mental capacity and is no legitimate criticism in itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:24:26 2015 No.7444472 >>7444449 Your projection cannot mend the thin veil you have attempted to construct. Give up: your posts no longer mean anything to anyone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:24:29 2015 No.7444474 >>7444423 rationalism and empiricism aren't mutually exclusive

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:26:00 2015 No.7444481 >>7444474 In their pure forms, yes they are. You can combine the two, but let's be real here: Pyrrho destroyed any shred of validity that empiricism could have ever had, so rationalism is all we're left with.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:29:49 2015 No.7444503

>>7444146
I hear all this shit about practical skills (science) being better than philosophy/literature. We need philosophical systems provided by writers to determine what we're GOING TO DO with the technology we develop. For example, say we develop technology that allows us to upload our consciousnesses to a computer, effectively ensuring ourselves an afterlife. Do we do it? How can we know if the uploaded version of ourselves is continuous with the original copy? Is it right or wrong to extend life indefinitely? Philosophical systems provided through literature help us answer these questions.

Maybe I'm an idiot but I don't know why you included economists in your post. You do realize that what we do with the money we have is determined by our own system of beliefs and values, right? Our systems of values and beliefs are derived from, and can actually be directly traced to, philosophers who wrote down shit literally thousands of years ago.

You can say some literature is useless. I'd be cool with burning whatever shit John Grisham just put out, but don't try to make the argument that literature is worthless because it is guiding all technological achievement today, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:32:55 2015 No.7444515

>>7444503
What OP has brought up is really a subjective view on what one values more: it's basically do you value doing worldly shit that you think is entertaining, or would you rather be able to think. Enten/Eller, anon, aesthetic life, or ethical life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:38:59 2015 No.7444528 If literature sucks then life sucks. If literature never solved practical problems then there were never any problems to begin with. If literature isn't necessary then life isn't necessary.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:40:27 2015 No.7444532

>>7444515
I was pretty sure OP was saying literature/phil is worthless. People like what they like, some see the value in "worldly shit that they think is entertaining" some value "being able to think." Those two things are inseparable though.

Can you elaborate on your post more? I'm drunk and alone and wanna talk more.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:47:36 2015 No.7444552
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>>7444338
>implying rationalism isn't just jerking off in a self contained system with no basis in reality
>implying trying to apprehend an arational foundation for truth isn't the best method
>implying the Sufi's don't have it right

I have bad news for you anon

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Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:50:01 2015 No.7444558

>>7444532
My main criticism's of OP's post are these:

He severely plays down the role of philosophy and literature.
He severely exaggerates the roles of STEM.
And then he makes an objective value claim based on his statements (ironically ignoring the fact that the majority of the problems that technology "solves" would not be problems had it not been for superfluous additions technology has made to society).

Now, I can sympathize with your drunken solitude, but I'm just here while I proof-read my essay; and I have a final to get up for tomorrow at 8 EST, so I will not be here for much longer.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:51:23 2015 No.7444564
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>>7444146
we live in a world where machines do all the work and people exist just to keep the machines going
philosophy, literature, art... it's all useless, but usefulness is no longer a factor in our lives so it's basically the best stuff we have

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:52:16 2015 No.7444567 >>7444552 Are you actually a Sufi? Do you speak Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, or Turkish?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:53:34 2015 No.7444574 >>7444567 No, I'm a north american university student who took a class and a half on Arabic philosophy It does have me considering religion much more seriously though This close to Christmas has made me break out the Bible a few nights of the week

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:54:51 2015 No.7444579
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>>7444558
>problems that technology "solves" would not be problems had it not been for superfluous additions technology has made to society
>food shortages are superfluous additions technology made to society
>the need for shelter is a superfluous addition technology made to society
>disease is a superfluous addition technology made to society

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:56:53 2015 No.7444588 >>7444574 Oh OK. I've been spamming this link here but you'd like it: http://muslimphilosophy.com/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:57:18 2015 No.7444590 >>7444558 Alright we have the issues with his post then. Good luck on your essay bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:58:59 2015 No.7444598 File: 620 KB, 1054x1500, 1448699966193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444588 Bookmarked, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 00:59:21 2015 No.7444600 >>7444590 Okay, thanks anon; be well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:01:29 2015 No.7444611 >>7444600 Godspeed

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:02:46 2015 No.7444616

>>7444598
No problem. Once you get to modern age with Mulla Sadra's transcendent theosophy/al-hikmaat al-mut`aali gets very complicated. As advice, learning Shia theology would be very helpful then. It's very important in modern-day Iran and Iraq and has influenced some thinking in al-Azhar but to a lesser extent than in the Shia world, which I study in particular.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:03:35 2015 No.7444621 /g/ here >imblying writing code isn't writing Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:05:05 2015 No.7444629 File: 90 KB, 900x510, 1446790245460.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] philosophy started and ended with the greeks

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:13:38 2015 No.7444656 There's reason to love both engineers and artists, for they both engage in the highest human activity: creation.

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:23:13 2015 No.7444698
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OP, that's a really childish approach to life.
You are underestimating the power of philosophy. You seriously fucking are, the most destrutive weapon ever used, developed by engineers, have not killed nearly as much as destructive ideologies such as communism. The world is still being shaped by ideologies and religions.
.
But let's assume that the most important thing a human can do is solve problems (helping society grow, making life easier, minimize pain or suffering, etc).
You should also ask yourself:
Why do you need to solve problems ? Why should problems be reduced or eliminated?

This being said, you shouldn't associate yourself with this 'creators' or 'problem solvers', you just know some random code language and probably basic physics, you have not ever solved any problem, you are just following instructions from the internet. You loser fuck lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:26:46 2015 No.7444711 >>7444698 the communist manifesto has never shot anyone economists implement its policies and engineers design the weapons used to enforce them ideology only has as much power as people choose to allow it to

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:32:09 2015 No.7444723 File: 44 KB, 600x300, whatsshenmue_7_e1314204864623.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tfw he hasn't had a major personal development through a culmination of poetry and prose reading that made him become a wholly different person. Sad

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:34:12 2015 No.7444730 >>7444461 This >op is just sad and probably thinks he lives in one large predictable and definite system

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:40:49 2015 No.7444754 >>7444146 >caring about the problems of mankind >thinking you can fix the problems of mankind you've already lost my friend

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:43:57 2015 No.7444764

OP isn't entirely inaccurate. Writers don't really solve the practical problems of mankind but they can inspire the people who do.

I had a physics prof who was a really smart guy. Had a stint at NASA and everything. Main reason he got interested in science was because of reading Asimov and Clarke's shit.

Also a lot of scientists are trekkies and hard-core sci-fi lovers whose big inspiration for getting into science was Star Trek and other shit they read/watched as a kid.

No it may not be literature but a writer certainly dreamed up all of that shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 01:47:10 2015 No.7444773 >63 replies and 17 images omitted. that's depressing op practically prefaced the whole thing by saying he was a troll

Anonymous Thu Dec 10 02:24:10 2015 No.7444850

OP is totally an autist that can't connect with other humans and will die alone, but art does serve to connect and relate others, and it furthers proves my idea that most autistic people are an advanced form of humans, the beginnings of the next steps of evolution

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 02:30:39 2015 No.7444864 writers, dramatists and other idiots tend to be stupid. the problems of mankind are pretty hard to solve. please econ pill me on the achievements of economists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 02:56:33 2015 No.7444924 File: 79 KB, 600x600, 129401348.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444864 >writers, dramatists and other idiots tend to be stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 06:06:47 2015 No.7445226 File: 35 KB, 351x351, elaine_cigar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444146 Gr8 b8

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 06:34:42 2015 No.7445290 >implying man is rational and practical

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 07:56:58 2015 No.7445426 >>7444337 >what is the chomsky hierarchy >who is william gibson

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 08:06:40 2015 No.7445446 File: 379 KB, 1024x733, 1448043572152.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7444656 >he thinks humans can, in the true sense of the word, "create."

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 08:10:04 2015 No.7445453 >>7444711 It is the stillest words that bring the storm.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 08:11:48 2015 No.7445458 >>7444369 This. Also this shit has been posted before. I'm ashamed everyone here fell for this bait again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 08:38:47 2015 No.7445509 File: 120 KB, 800x509, 1441005892794.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >problems >achievements Those are some cute spooks you have there, my property. It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 09:33:29 2015 No.7445647 >>7445446 he looks like he has a really flat skull

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 10 09:47:37 2015 No.7445685 >>7444146 Stale pasta gets 76 replies. Also, economy isn't a real science by a long-shot.

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