Is the problem facing millenials the fact that they are the first generation who have been given anything like authentic freedom but haven't been given the means to cope with it and have also been promised freedoms that were not those who made the promises to give?

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Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:35:59 2015 No.7173654 [Reply] [Original]

Is the problem facing millenials the fact that they are the first generation who have been given anything like authentic freedom but haven't been given the means to cope with it and have also been promised freedoms that were not those who made the promises to give?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:39:19 2015 No.7173655 >they are the first generation who have been given anything like authentic freedom what

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:39:28 2015 No.7173656 >>7173654 all you are saying is that you love liberalism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:40:21 2015 No.7173658 >worst economy in generations >authentic freedom Go away grandpa. Minimum wage was worth almost 3 times as much in the 70s as it is today

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:40:28 2015 No.7173659 >late capitalism in the west >authentic freedom you've got some waking up to do

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:40:47 2015 No.7173661 You're full of shit, OP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:41:24 2015 No.7173662 >>7173658 Minimum age, too.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:46:43 2015 No.7173672

>>7173658
>>7173659
Did you read the entire post or just share your kneejerk reaction?
>promised freedoms that were not those who made the promises to give

>>7173655
Freedom in terms of the realization and acceptance that templates for existance and authorities are not absoloute. The freedom to entertain independent relfection

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:20:18 2015 No.7173737 >>7173654 america is a country of illusions. your idea of "authentic freedom" exists only under the web of ideology of capitalism and specifically the consumer-focused non-labor work force of the first world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:24:14 2015 No.7173754 File: 945 KB, 500x501, 51.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We are the first generation exposed to enough information to give us an idea of how the world works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:27:21 2015 No.7173762 >>7173672 You said we've been given something 'like' authentic freedom prove it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:29:59 2015 No.7173767 >>7173754 I am pretty sure Plato knew how the world worked at his time, you are not special. The problem is that we have no longer a Big Other to whom we can rebel against. God is estranged and before that God himself estranged Nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:32:21 2015 No.7173771 >>7173654 No the problem facing millennials is they are born into a system where everything is rigidly decided for them and they're yelled at as to blame for literally everything

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:35:31 2015 No.7173778

>>7173654
No the problem facing millenials is that they can't be bothered getting out of bed and going down to tesco to get a late lunch and with each moment they postpone it the less energy they have to do it leaving them in a spiral of undernourished sadness

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:37:38 2015 No.7173784 >>7173672 >templates for existance and authorities are not absoloute This is 100% the exact opposite though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:39:48 2015 No.7173787 File: 51 KB, 1251x171, 1434077507797.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7173654 Life has become too easy and people just want to be 'comfy' 24/7

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:42:45 2015 No.7173794 >>7173787 what a load of generalised bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:42:57 2015 No.7173795 >le we're all spoilt generation The myth of things producing happy life and the obvious reactionary programming of 4chan autists kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:43:34 2015 No.7173796 >>7173754 the problem thus being concepts such as 'history' or 'logic', which has not faced american-style capitalism since its conception

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:44:16 2015 No.7173797 >>7173784 not necessarily rejecting the idea of an absolute rubric for qualifying existence or the proper use of authority is likely a good start

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:44:26 2015 No.7173798 >>7173767 I think you thought this was profound but you sound like an asshole

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:45:59 2015 No.7173802 >>7173737 This hard as fuck. We are all chattel for the rich and our lives are pretty rigidly controlled. Faggots like OP are neo reactionary scum, trying to make millennials feel "guilty", give us a sense of indebtedness

>>	Dog !!FLaY5RPKo0+ Tue Sep 29 09:46:29 2015 No.7173807 I don't fucking read dude, ask someone else.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:48:56 2015 No.7173810

Problem with threads like these is that to get to the core of anyone's point is requires a lot of discussion.

So far all posts have been
OP generalising
People telling us he's wrong in their most 'brutal' ways and not giving good reasons why.

No one can be bothered making big arguments on 4chan with any meaning because 4chan is where you go when you can't be bothered dealing with things.

This thread will go absolutely nowhere beyond petty squabbling and slogans

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:51:39 2015 No.7173813 >>7173810 If op wants to demonstrate in what way society as a whole for millennials has become 'free' of confusion and theoretical dissonance, I'd love to hear it

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:56:42 2015 No.7173823
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>>7173767
Well, maybe in a way, but We have progressed past Plato/Socrates. Also, Plato was one person. I meant a whole generation.

Those last two sentences are bait?

>>7173796
Elaborate!

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:58:18 2015 No.7173830

op here
>>7173737
I'm not american

>>7173784
how?

>>7173802
I am milennial, literally everyone on this site is, and I'm far from reactionary. How is what I wrote in anyway an attempt to make you feel guilty?

>>7173813
If you don't understand, go away, you clearly have nothing constructive to add.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:59:57 2015 No.7173832 SUCK my DICK

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:02:21 2015 No.7173838 >>7173830 >How is what I wrote in anyway an attempt to make you feel guilty? "Hur hur you all have it so easy why are you all so lazy" etc

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:03:07 2015 No.7173839 >>7173838 lazy post tbh smdh fam tbh tbh

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:04:41 2015 No.7173842

>>7173830
Because we're all quite literally funneled into being a part of global neoliberal economics?

You have no choice but to eat at the store, you were forced into an urban development plan that makes car ownership necessary, etc etc,

If you think you're not neoreactionary then I have bad news for you son

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:05:53 2015 No.7173845 >>7173839 >being this bad at basic psychology Well I guess you can't expect much from a person who tried to insult an entire generation, which is a quite absurd task on its face

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:10:18 2015 No.7173855 >>7173794 How can you diagnose problems of a whole generation without generalizing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:10:49 2015 No.7173856 >>7173654 If you are born after 1989 you too are born in authentic freedom and shouldnt talk about this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:11:51 2015 No.7173857 >>7173654 I used to write on this subject all the time. When I was a freshman in high school. Le ebin Lyotard death of le grand narrative xD

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:12:24 2015 No.7173860

>>7173823

america is a young country. the two consequences of this are we have not had enough time to gain majority understanding of the historical fuckups we've committed within the last century (most of which I classify as annexations and positing 'democratic' candidates in nearly annexed countries for the benefit of finance).

b) proper consequences of an economic/ system which believes resources are infinite, and that God has made the universe such

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:15:08 2015 No.7173867 >>7173860 post link or it didnt happen

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:16:06 2015 No.7173868 >>7173855 By accepting any attempt to generalise it at all requires many, many pages of insight. One paragraph to diagnose problems saying: 'This is more or less what is wrong with human life going on now' is not worth reading. No matter who wrote it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:17:14 2015 No.7173870 >>7173654 >'The' problem Uh, what problem?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:19:17 2015 No.7173876
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>>7173842
thats not the kind of freedom I meant, hence why I included the claim that we also have been promised freedoms that were impossible to receive. In what way am I a reactionary? I think youre making a lot of assumptions in what I meant that weren't there.

>>7173845
No one tried to insult an entire generation, try and actually read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:20:20 2015 No.7173877 >>7173855 You don't, you realize that everything is much too nuanced and you realize you are repeating boomer propaganda

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:22:50 2015 No.7173887 >>7173855 GREED, ANGER, & DELUSION.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:24:31 2015 No.7173892 >>7173876 >No one tried to insult an entire generation, try and actually read. "Can't cope with all this freedom" Lel u dumb m9

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:24:31 2015 No.7173893 >>7173868 Yes, but 4chan isn't exactly the place for that is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:27:50 2015 No.7173899 >>7173887 >Without generalizing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:28:49 2015 No.7173902 >>7173893 So maybe just don't post then.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:28:51 2015 No.7173903

>>7173867

for the former, any history of the philippines, south korea, columbia, iraq, japan, and germany

the latter: scholastic philosophy (Aquinas and Augestine specifically) and most of William Quine.

otherwise learn to actually fucking read outside of the internet

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:29:06 2015 No.7173905 >>7173899 them be very specific m'lad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:29:44 2015 No.7173908 >>7173902 Maybe take your own advice then.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:31:22 2015 No.7173914

>>7173893
no, which is why i posted
>>7173810
Giving credence to any short, nothing statement is no good for you.

Not to say you can't do it if you feel like having fun but I imagine there are people who probably think there is insight to be had in some retarded paragraph like that when there isn't

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:33:30 2015 No.7173919

>>7173654
>There are an infinite number of tiny simple problems that require immediate attention
>We are being overwhelmed with even more problems
>We choose to avoid solving them
>We occupy ourselves by trying to identify the "big issue"
>It's always an unsolvable problem because then we don't have to deal with it
>Simple issues keep piling up

This isn't a generational thing this is just something that people have done forever. What we don't have right now is a surplus of freedoms it's an excess of responsibilities.

To answer your question OP; No, we live in an era of conflict filled with clashes over what is the "big issue" that needs to be solved. Hopefully we will move on to an era of reconciliation where those simple issues that have piled up can be addressed properly, and likely indefinitely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:34:34 2015 No.7173920 >>7173908 I'm not the one making retarded threads tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:36:45 2015 No.7173929 HEY EVERYONE ISNT IT OBVIOUS THAT NUCLEAR DEVICES ARE THE WORST THING EVER???? "No" WOW IM JUST TRYING TO HAVE A NICE DOSCUSSION HERE FUCKING LOOSERS GET OUT OF MY THREAD

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:36:55 2015 No.7173932 >>7173920 No, you're just posting in them while telling others not to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:38:38 2015 No.7173939 i have nothing to believe in

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:41:02 2015 No.7173948 Op here :) FUCK this website is sucks, it's like everyone really wants to start an echo chamber but not as much as they want to disagree with everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:42:31 2015 No.7173955 >>7173948 I agree no one ever critiques millenials on this site

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:45:25 2015 No.7173963 >>7173830 >you don't understand, go away, you clearly have nothing constructive to add. you haven't stayed anything that could be understood and you refuse to demonstrate why your claims are valuable

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:58:15 2015 No.7173990 >>7173963 You present your self as someone that isn't an idiot but you quite blatantly are one, a question is not a claim, when someone asks you a question responding with 'prove that the answer to your question is yes and then I'll answer' is not wise

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:02:48 2015 No.7173999 >>7173990 read your own post, dipshit >is the problem facing millennials x >is the problem facing millennials the fact that x there's a big difference

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:05:25 2015 No.7174003

>>7173990
What kind of answer were you looking for? I'm curious as the actual question doesn't have all that much to engage with.
>>7173654
My answer is no. Freedom is not the biggest issue facing our generation and I don't think there is or will be a big issue that we will be able to engage with. The closest thing to a problem, and this isn't a generational one but one that most 4chan posters deal with, is that we are always searching for the "right" cause to dedicate ourselves to and are afraid that by picking the "wrong" conflict to fight in we will waste our time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:07:17 2015 No.7174006 File: 2.99 MB, 3200x4136, 1442978781181.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will the Last Man be the final nail in the coffin of Western civilisation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:10:52 2015 No.7174016 File: 680 KB, 2192x1576, 7126456.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174006 What is the Last Man? Not the background on the actual concept, but what do you see as being the Last Man? How is he different than the men who came before him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:20:58 2015 No.7174038 File: 43 KB, 501x501, modernity4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174016 It's a Nietzschian concept, it's too hard to become Overmen so we vegetate in apathy and comfort, my life tbh. Read Oblomov https://youtu.be/8G9QIIvSpzE

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:30:30 2015 No.7174067
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>>7174038
That was what I already knew, but okay I guess it clarifies what you think. I personally don't see many people my age as being lazy and apathetic, or more lazy and apathetic than people of a different age. The mindset that all people are weirdos content to live the neet life is from too much exposure to 4chan, and other sites where similar people congregate, making you think that the whole world is like it is here.

We aren't the last men we're just the latest men.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:34:53 2015 No.7174076

>>7173672
>Freedom in terms of the realization and acceptance that templates for existance and authorities are not absoloute.

This isn't freedom, and even if it was, it is not in place. Society literally can't function without conformity. Do you see less conformity in this generation than in any other?

>The freedom to entertain independent relfection

This has always existed and has been practiced by a lot of people. Generally people with a taste for solitude / reflection "independently reflect". Famous examples are Socrates, Descartes, Rousseau, Kierkegaard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:44:24 2015 No.7174098 >>7174016 Nietzsche's term for the average human being that prefers to sit on a lawn and drink beer, as opposed to the Overman who is psychotically fixated on domination

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:46:21 2015 No.7174101

>>7174067
They are merely the most extreme example, compare the meaning of the lives of the modern man in developed states to that of traditional societies not yet overwhelmed by Globalisation and western consumerist hegemony. Evola said "Nothing any longer has an intrincisc norm and an imperable character... this is the orientation of the bourgeois world: toward social idols and conformism founded on convenience, cowardice, hypocrisy and inertia". Even the so called "radical" movements of today are the lightest shades of Marxist and Reactionary thought of yesterday, because they still allow for the comfort that system permits. I.E the complete farce that is Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Social Justice movements, it's more important to think about freedom than actually pursuing it

We've all become beougified

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:47:52 2015 No.7174104 >>7174101 Ignore that last part, part of draft I meant to delete

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:52:01 2015 No.7174112

>>7174098
>psychotically fixated on domination

The Overman represents everything that is lifeaffirming about humanity, in the path of sulf-fulfillment. There was a guy on /lit/ last week so made the analogy that Pippi Longstocking (the orphan childrens character) represents some of the purest ideals of the Overman

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:00:30 2015 No.7174142 >>7173662 fuuuuckin lel

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:37:13 2015 No.7174258 >if I include a picture of David Foster Wallace my bad opinion will seem better Okay

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:53:50 2015 No.7174307 >>7174101 To me it seems like you want rupture and not reform. I can't get behind that kind of thinking anymore and I don't think that people have the luxury to reject society.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:12:32 2015 No.7174372

>>7173903
>South Korea

yeah, how dare americans help them fend off north koreans. if only they hadn't intervened, perhaps south korea, too, could be a beautiful place like north korea.

>iraq

used to be Saddam's torture house, is now a democracy. just because the democracy is under attack doesn't invalidate the democracy.

>japan

one of the most advanced nations on earth.

>germany

one of the most advanced nations on earth. its worst parts are those that used to be ruled by the commies. which intervention was so bad though? the liberation of Nazi prison camps was a historical fuckup?

which countries has the U.S. annexed though?

sorry for any grammar mistakes, english isn't my native language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:17:14 2015 No.7174388 >>7173658 >worst economy in generations This has to be a joke. Get out of the classrooms. The real world isn't what your phil prof at the cc you attend tells you.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:46:41 2015 No.7174502

>>7174076
>This isn't freedom
Well it obviously is a type of freedom

>Society literally can't function without conformity
A manner of conformity is necessary for individual to interact but i'd think it can be fairly vague, but more importantly freedom to not conform does not mean not conforming

>Do you see less conformity in this generation than in any other?
people look at some pretty weird porn

>"independently reflect"
is not what i meant, I meant engage your brain to consider reality on your own terms, rather than just go away and think

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:04:13 2015 No.7174577 >>7173658 >Minimum wage was worth almost 3 times as much in the 70s as it is today This is demonstrably false. Why do people make shit up on 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:06:43 2015 No.7174588 >>7173798 >I think you thought this was profound but you sound like an asshole Actually I way prefer being thought as the latter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:18:05 2015 No.7174631 >>7173842 >You have no choice but to eat at the store >you were forced into an urban development plan that makes car ownership necessary Both patently untrue, no matter who you are or where you live

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:21:45 2015 No.7174644 The problem is we live in a post-scarcity society where we can survive without actually doing anything. I imagine many people thousands of years ago didn't experience existential angst because they were too busy worrying about survival.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:25:29 2015 No.7174664 >>7174502 People have had weird fetishes for ages, it's just out in the open now. Can you present a concrete example of this freedom to not conform?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:25:56 2015 No.7174665

>>7174644
It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation.

The average peasant would have probably just wanted to be comfy and not be starving while not living in constant fear of war or illness. We have that, we're still not satisfied and many desire a rougher life full of struggle. Probably why zombie shit is so popular these days.

I'm sitting on 4chan with no need to fear hunger,illness or death and yet I still feel like someone just ought to put a bullet in me and put me out of my misery.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:28:43 2015 No.7174676 >>7174644 >post-scarcity society >capitalist empires built on the subjugation of world labor read books

>>	St. Nicholas Tue Sep 29 14:30:32 2015 No.7174680 >>7173654 wtf do you want OP

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:36:53 2015 No.7174709 >>7174680 An excuse to be a shithead and not do any thing difficult or meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:43:56 2015 No.7174743 >>7173672 >The freedom to entertain independent relfection Since when do I have the freedom to be a white supremacist? The authority has merely changed its face, the worst thing is that people don't even know it's there any more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:06:35 2015 No.7174858 >>7174644 >The problem is we live in a post-scarcity society where we can survive without actually doing anything. You mean 5-10% of the world does.

>>	St. Nicholas Tue Sep 29 15:08:44 2015 No.7174868 >>7174709 1) Become disability. 2) Profit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:22:33 2015 No.7174924 >>7173767 >no longer a Big Other pure fucking ideology

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:55:43 2015 No.7175049 >>7173754 Well the sopranos is not how the world works, sorry. Also you kiddos are going to get a culture shock when your first job is going to be you making tea and running errands for older sell outs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:08:19 2015 No.7175109 >>7173794 stop generalizing

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:42:07 2015 No.7175272

>>7174664
I think you are mistaking my point, I'm not saying the freedom to act results in the action. There may not necessarily be a concrete example but it appears to me that the awareness that non-conformity is as legitimate as conformity (although with a specific set of outcomes) is something that has become prevelant (if not ubiquitous) amongst millenials in a way it hasn't previously.

I suppose the best example I can think of right now is all the different tumblr genders, you could of course argue in this enviroment non-conformity has become conformist but thats a pretty empty statement that just sounds pithy.

>>7174743
of course you have the freedom to be a white supremacist, you even have the freedom to try and act upon those beliefs. That doesn't mean you have the freedom to succeed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:45:29 2015 No.7175286 there is a lot of social pressure that ends up limiting your freedom

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:48:18 2015 No.7175299 >>7174006 this is basically me but I enjoy life. am I wrong?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:49:03 2015 No.7175304

too many people are letting their internet communities define them now

you can tell a redditor from the way they talk irl

you can tell a tumblrer from the way they talk irl

i think 4channers tend to keep it more low key because there aren't as many of us and there's that whole 'rules of the internet thing' years ago where people were looked down on for talking about 4chan in real life. you can still occasionally tell that someone has been on 4chan too much though, especially if they go on boards like /r9k/ that are so fucking out of touch with reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:00:53 2015 No.7175366 >>7175286 i think that its doesn't impact your freedom but that you sacrifice it in order to fit in

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:06:43 2015 No.7175394

>>7175272

>the awareness that non-conformity is as legitimate as conformity (although with a specific set of outcomes) is something that has become prevelant (if not ubiquitous) amongst millenials in a way it hasn't previously.

Yet never before has nonconformity meant so little. You're forgetting that in the past, nonconformism generally meant transgression against some pre-existing standard, which are (were?) the meat of what is (was?) considered acceptable.

>I suppose the best example I can think of right now is all the different tumblr genders, you could of course argue in this enviroment non-conformity has become conformist but thats a pretty empty statement that just sounds pithy.

Its rendered empty because your starting position is itself empty. How can something be both nonconformist and ubiquitous?
What has happened is that the outward appearance of 'nonconformity' has been sucked dry and used up, nobody gives a shit anymore. Most things are socially acceptable, even some illegal things.
The fact that we live in a conformist society has not changed, but the frame of reference has progressed to a point where what constitutes real, transgressive nonconformity is a much more narrow category than what it may have been in the past, and concerns not so much your appearance or leisure, but ______ ________ _______ ___ _____.

>of course you have the freedom to be a white supremacist, you even have the freedom to try and act upon those beliefs. That doesn't mean you have the freedom to succeed.

Freedom and ability are not the same thing. Its no wonder you don't see any substance in clear statements, when you use such serpentine language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:06:48 2015 No.7175395 >>7174676 'we' as in you and me i'm sure ahmed al-jibaq is too busy trying not to get beheaded to experience existential angst

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:08:32 2015 No.7175400 >>7175366 So the reason you don't kill people is to "fit in"? Social pressure extends well beyond simple peer pressure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:21:33 2015 No.7175453 >>7175304 >someone makes a subtle 4chan reference while talking >mfw (i don't have a reaction gif, imagine a cowboy looking into the camera and winking)

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:30:43 2015 No.7175506

>>7175394
>How can something be both nonconformist and ubiquitous?
easily, ubiquity and conformity are not the same.

>Freedom and ability are not the same thing.
Freedom is a kind of ability, you have to have the freedom to do something to be able to do, although you don't have to be able to do something to be free to do it. It's hardly serpentine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:38:53 2015 No.7175550 File: 37 KB, 400x400, 1435938422861.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7175506 >you have the freedom to do something to be able to do, although you don't have to be able to do something to be free to do it. You wanna run that by me again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:42:22 2015 No.7175571 >>7175550 how do you not understand? its incredibly simple

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:43:21 2015 No.7175574 >>7175571 it's filled with mistakes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:45:17 2015 No.7175580 >>7175574 >you have should be >you have to have thats it

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:53:54 2015 No.7175620
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>>7173654
>freedom
bullshit. the illusion of freedom is just a mechanism of control, and probably one of the most repressive and insidious ever created. Like the divine right of kings, the master race idea, or the forever postponed utopia of twentieth century Marxists, 'freedom' is simply the fiction which sustains current power structure.

Our generation was taught that freedom and self-expression where the ultimate good. We are now going through a great disappointment. I expect a reaction, a return to tribalistic values, ritual, irrationality and collectivism, though it may not come soon due to the paradoxical nature of freedom. Because it's kinda hard to rebel agains rebellion and non conformity

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:57:15 2015 No.7175635 >>7175620 OP and I agree with your second point. I don't think thats its because freedom is bad though, just that we don't know how to be free.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 18:23:56 2015 No.7175763

>>7173654
Nah. The problem with Millennials is that they grew up in a world with far fewer rules, but what rules remain are enforced much more strictly than in the past.

Each generation before them really came into its own through acts of harmless rebellion, in which the generation's members rejected their parents and embraced their own individuality in a manner that transitioned them into adulthood.

>20s and 30s
Fuck you, I'm gonna drink alcohol!
>40s and 50s
Fuck you, I'm gonna be a liberal!
>60s and 70s
Fuck you, I'm gonna smoke weed and have premarital sex!
>80s and 90s
Fuck you, I'm gonna ride a skateboard and listen to edgy music!

But what do we have now? There's almost no taboo left to break, no outlet for teenage angst, that doesn't carry potentially life-altering consequences. So we've ended up with a generation that's a mix of spoiled yet dissatisfied fags who never really leave the shadow of their parents, unemployable social drop-outs (body mods, drug addiction, etc.), and psychos who snap and shoot up their schools.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:04:31 2015 No.7175969 >>7174772 Go back to reading your Camus and let us millennials take care of the real problems. Namely the Boomers, who'll become soylent green in the new order.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:17:27 2015 No.7176049 >>7175763 What about earlier times? It seems like social norms were much more stable in the 19th century and before. Did they have a similar problem to millennials because of a lack of easily accessible rebellion?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:32:29 2015 No.7176131

>>7176049
Prior to the 1900s, things were fundamentally different.

For one thing, the conditions of life for the majority of people were shitty enough that there wasn't much time for the kind of introspective idleness that gives rise to generational problems. Emotional fulfillment was secondary to having enough to eat and a safe place to live.

Also, there was the Frontier in those times. A person dissatisfied with his life could go westward (or immigrate to the Americas from Europe). Now we no longer have that sort of social safety valve.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:43:04 2015 No.7176178 >>7175763 So long as conservatives have their God-given prejudices, liberals and The Youth will always have something to rebel against.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:06:40 2015 No.7176251

>>7176131
>For one thing, the conditions of life for the majority of people were shitty enough that there wasn't much time for the kind of introspective idleness that gives rise to generational problems. Emotional fulfillment was secondary to having enough to eat and a safe place to live.
Absolute bullshit, unless you're specifically talking about the lower class in post-industrial-revolution times.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:06:08 2015 No.7176476
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posting this again

The modern capitalist system which provides us with countless distractions to escape from it's dehumanizing elements is fundamentally destroying the ability of humans to be reasoning, compassionate beings.

It makes us callous and sardonic and this leads to a completely caustic, cancerous culture in which you countless individuals are rendered incapable of sincerity while simultaneously being made into completely nihilistically hedonistic creatures.

Most of these creatures are now unable to tell the difference between what they believe and what they are making fun of. Part of this comes from their own internal fear of ridicule and the other part comes from their inability to make up their mind about anything with which they are confronted because they have no system by which to effectively contextualize the things that happen in their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SnbhDEmgg

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 22:06:24 2015 No.7176675 >>7174006 >talking shit about bikes American, right ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:09:51 2015 No.7176940 >>7175620 >We are now going through a great disappointment. I expect a reaction, a return to tribalistic values, ritual, irrationality and collectivism, Google Third Wave feminism

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:11:56 2015 No.7176944

I know I'm late to the thread but I think I could give a good perspective as someone born in 1997 but also just to write my own feelings currently. Please feel free to tell me I'm a dumb cunt

As someone that's now really stepping into the path to "adulthood" I'm finding it more and more appealing to drop out all together. Most career paths that are being pushed don't appeal to me, everything's moved into a very sedentary and computerized environment that just feels depressing. I am apathetic towards most things and feel detached from most people. I'm constantly trying to reevaluate my own authenticity and making usually false judgments on the authenticity of those around me. Nothing feels like it matters and nothing feels like it's worth doing. I'm just too cowardly to kill myself though. I'm paranoid to the point of trying to isolate myself from my family and peers. I've only been in college for a month and am already feeling like I'm not here for any reason and that I'd be better suited to drop out. The more I type the more I realize like how much of a whiny kid I sound like. Sorry to blog

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:17:10 2015 No.7176958 >people who weren't born until 1997 are in college and going through their existential warmups what happened to time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:18:55 2015 No.7176967 >>7173654 >born after 9/11 >authentic freedom What the fuck are you talking about retard? They've never even known real freedom in their entire lives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:19:08 2015 No.7176968 >>7176958 You're getting older Anon

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:19:16 2015 No.7176969

>>7175620

I will state the future.

The rebellion against Freedom occurs when want and violence eliminate the people who trust Freedom to save them from want and violence.

The Hipsters who cannot take poverty seriously will precisely be the group who will be first murdered by the Barbarians.

As the world degenerates into late 19th century material want, Post-Modernism central tenet is undone.

>The foundation of Post-Modernism is materialist plenty.
>Post-Modernism, in all it forms, is the abolition of Intrinsic Values.
>When materialist plenty leaves, Post-Modernism will hurt its believers for failing to possess intrinsic Value.

The reasons why the Christians took over Europe was that all other groups just starved to death. Only the believers contributed to charity. Only the believers got to receive charity.

There is an entire field of study which will emerge from Intrinsic Values and power. For now, we first have to watch Millennials kill themselves for lacking them.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:20:24 2015 No.7176973

>>7176944
So you're 18, huh?

You should not drop out. You will in fact regret it later in life. You should either tough it out for 4 years and just try not to be too depressed or you should try to take a year off.

Give yourself time to reevaluate your own values and goals. It's best to do this before you get through college so you don't find out that you went into debt to get a degree you don't want to use (or can't use due to job scarcity)

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:23:51 2015 No.7176982

>>7176973
I really feel I should just take a year but I'm afraid I wont use it productively. I'm in a comfortable state of apathy I can't and don't really want to break out of. I keep myself from doing what I need to and what I want to, it's all my own internal reasoning and overall feeling that this doesn't matter. Philosophy is really the only thing that interests me and even that I hardly put in the effort necessary to become knowledgeable about it. Coming to /lit/ just makes me feel like a lazy dumb piece of shit most the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:25:43 2015 No.7176989 >>7176969 Can you define "Intrinsic Values"? Thanks. I take it you buy into the idea that infinite growth in a finite world is impossible and that scarcity and violence go hand in hand?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:28:45 2015 No.7176999

>>7176982
>but I'm afraid I wont use it productively
That is not what the year is for. You are not supposed to be using it productively. This is the primary problem with the modern world. that people feel guilty if they aren't "productive" instead of worrying about their ability to act as humans with will.

You need time to reflect on yourself and your life, your experiences. You don't need to be productive, you just need to be able to support yourself and think.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:31:17 2015 No.7177005

>>7176989

What is disturbing for me is that College has so utterly gutted its own curriculum, that basic concepts now seem like strange and abstract processes.

http://psychology.about.com/od/motivation/f/intrinsic-motivation.htm

Come on.

But violence emerges from the failure of politics. "Those who make peaceful change make violent change inevitable."

Without intrinsic values, politics is seriously reduced in its complexity. Furthermore, intrinsic values enable people to be more effectively politically, therefore more effective violently.

>Peaceful change is nearly always better, but when things get REALLY bad, violent changes becomes the only practical option.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:32:34 2015 No.7177008

>>7176999
Reflecting on myself and life always end in the same vicious cycle. I fear I'm not an authentic human, I berate myself, I berate those around me, I berate the world and my situation and then I do nothing to try and better myself. I don't know why I'm like this and I don't know why I'm not doing everything I can to change the way I am. I wish I didn't have to type this because I feel like a lot of my thoughts are getting lost and its misconstruing my anxieties and fears.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:33:00 2015 No.7177009 Just move to Central Africa, that continent still has some actual human suffering to alleviate. You can feel like you're making a difference or something.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:38:15 2015 No.7177027

>>7177008
Yo man, Drink like two cups of coffee per day, start every morning with a measly 100 situps and 50 push ups, find three books you've wanted to read and acquire them. Turn off your phone for three day. No exceptions. Eat atleast one fruit and one vegetable per day. unplug you're internet router. Suffer through the three days, you'll be happy by the end of Day 2 Guaranteed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:39:45 2015 No.7177031 >>7177027 Please disregard the spelling mistakes, was in a rush and my computer likes to suggest incorrect spellings. Also forgot to mention, pick up a musical instrument, fuck off with your excuses, just do it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:41:40 2015 No.7177036

>>7177005
So basically, post-modernists are seeking external rewards and approval from peer groups and thus have no intrinsic motivation for doing anything, just external motivation. So they have no concept of Intrisic Values and are just doing something to be validated by others or to acquire more material wealth? So in this sense they are significantly weaker than other groups and societies with Intrinsic Values and thus in a collapse situation they will be least likely to survive the chaos and provide any useful skills or knowledge to society if they do survive.

Is that what you are arguing more or less? If so I agree with you. I guess "over-socialization" is another way of putting it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:43:37 2015 No.7177042

>>7177027
>>7177031
I did feel much better when I worked out regularly but I still felt kind of like shit. Music is actually one of my greatest sources of anxiety because I desperately want to make it but lack the motivation. I did finally buy a keyboard tonight so there's that. I will try disconnecting myself from the internet though I feel that might help. I've been wrapped up in 4chan and irony and post irony and all that garbage since I was fucking like 13 and first started browsing it's probably been detrimental to my over all mental development. I'm just afraid some of this shit isn't going to go away with slight life style changes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:46:00 2015 No.7177049 >>7175635 That's better than how I put it. TBH.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:47:14 2015 No.7177056 >>7177036 FAIL. I meant to state this post. That's better than how I put it, TBH. Over Socialization is a GREAT term to describe this. (Conscientiousness over truth.)

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:48:00 2015 No.7177059

>>7177008
Let me just assure you that you are a human, anon.

You need time develop confidence if your taste and appreciation of the things you like. The system as it exists today is primarily concerned with making producers as quickly as possible.

Do you have 5 minutes? Watch this video interview of the guy in OP picture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qYwk37F0PQ

What you need to learn is that being unhappy at this point in your life is not some problem with you, it's a sign of your humanity. humans are unhappy and rarely feel fully fulfilled. The worst thing for the personality of someone is for them to win too early in life becuase when they stop winning eventually they are not going to know how to handle it.

It's like this. let's say you're 22 and you are wildly successful. basically all of your adult life and formative years you have received nothing but praise. You did it, you finished top of your class in law school and got into a biglaw firm, or you did 4 years of internships while in school and landed a finance job on wall street. Congrats, now you are going to be in an environment with a ton of other people that accomplished the exact same thing you did and and are all trying to outcompete you for the same upward mobility and you will not always win. And when you fail at that point, after having recieved nothing but priase all your life, that's when you get the real problems.

Learning to deal with failure at a young age is important and learning to accept that you are a human and humans get unhappy is also important.

if you like that video, take 90 minutes and watch the full interview here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxUY0kxH80

This guy's book may also be worth a read for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:49:52 2015 No.7177065 You can do anything you want so long as it doesn't end up online so HR can fire your ass. IE you can't do anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:50:53 2015 No.7177069 File: 5 KB, 381x503, 1407054797195.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7176944

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:54:57 2015 No.7177083 >>7176944 I'm curious Could you name a few of your favorite >books >bands >movies

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:00:53 2015 No.7177102
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>>7177059
I'm already alright with being unhappy, in fact I prefer it, I am a believer that suffering is necessary for one to forge their own identity. I think my problems stem less from not wanting to be unhappy and more from the fear that my identity and who I am is not 100% true to myself, that I cannot connect with others because I see their in-authenticity (usually exaggerated due to misanthropic world view and paranoia), extreme feelings of inadequacy, realization I've spent most of my life so far doing nothing and building no personal skills or talents and a whole bunch of other stuff I don't want to start blogging unless you would like to hear it.

>>7177069
I'm with you bro ;_;

>>7177083
>Books
The Idiot, Good Omens, Catch 22, Catcher in the Rye (I know), The Stranger, The Death of Ivan Ilyich

>Bands
Have a Nice Life/Giles Corey, Alex G, Duster, Ash Borer, Godspeed You! black Emperor, TELE/VISIONS, a lot of black metal and other stuff that I don't want to list. Music is one of the things I'm actually somewhat passionate about

>Movie
The Comedy, Bronson. I'm not too big into film and stuff, sitting down and watching something is really difficult for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:04:45 2015 No.7177113 >>7174372 >le democracy is good and EVIL FASH-CYSTS ARE EVIL

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:13:43 2015 No.7177146

>>7177042
First of all, I'm laying in bed typing on my phone so I can't write as much as I want.

But, I relate to your experience. And I wish you well. I'm 17 months out of college (english degree). I hated school and suffered to build a stellar resume but turned down a job offer in the "creative class" and moved back in with mom and dad. I've been working restaurant and labor jobs since. I'm very lonely and want a qt gf and friends, but that feels unattainable. My only friend gets normier and normier. I feel like shit but at least I feel. I don't know what to try to achieve. My only goals are to be less lonely, be more expressive, and to do more. That's my only advice: do stuff and keep doing stuff.

Good night and allah be with you.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:16:53 2015 No.7177162

>>7177146
>tfw had a fleeting moment of closeness with a qt but sabotaged myself.

That's just another thing to add to my pile. Just know there's always Anons out there that know how you feel. It's why I still waste time here. It's a weird little intimate connection you share with someone you'll never know. Sleep well friend and I wish you luck.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:17:34 2015 No.7177164

it's complicated and i haven't thought enough about it, but i think most of us are feeling torn between the enormous pressure for career success that society puts on us, vs a deep desire to return to the limitless free time and financial security of our privileged middle class childhoods. You really can't have both at the exact same time.

if you choose a career you get to feel the dignity and esteem that comes along with it, but you have to work hard all day every day in order to achieve/maintain your success. Sure you can retire early, but then you have nothing to live for anymore. You're a has-been. You feel like a shadow of your former self.

Or you make a lot of money/live off autism bucks, and you feel like a leach/failure. You feel guilty every time you benefit from a working person, people ask you 'what you do' and you have nothing to tell them. You feel inferior to everyone you know, and like there's no purpose to your life.

something like that idk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:17:48 2015 No.7177165 >>7175635 >we don't know how to be free that is the most facist thing i have read on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:19:46 2015 No.7177176 >>7177165 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2014/dec/03/slavoj-zizek-philosopher-what-is-freedom-today-video

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 00:29:37 2015 No.7177210 >>7177176 i already know about that coke head. i like him. but i cant understand why you dont understan how condescending that sounds. and i think its a simplification and misinterpretation of what zizek is saying.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 04:56:21 2015 No.7177877
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>>7177008
>I fear I'm not an authentic human, I berate myself, I berate those around me, I berate the world and my situation and then I do nothing to try and better myself

Literally 4chan the post.

Look, I was where you were two years ago. In some ways, I still feel the same way, but reminding myself that this really is the beginning of my life gives me hope and peace.

Your first year of college will be a wake-up call, you'll seemingly make the first meaningful relationships of your life, taste independence, and hopefully (with determination, please do not drop out, imagine the tremendous waste this opportunity would be) discover what you want yourself to be. The cliche "finding yourself" couldn't be more true, somehow you start to make sense to yourself, finding pieces of your essence in your muddled mind and actions, and then you can strive for self-improvement and actualization.

Hope this helps in any way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:03:31 2015 No.7177888 >>7177165 well seeing as it isn't remotely fascist I don't see how

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:03:53 2015 No.7177890

Millennials have it great. Older people are just the whiny faggots they've always been. Young people are shit on like they've always been, except now it's a lot easier to tell older people to fuck off because the internet has leveled things out.

Not only can I start my own business online, but I can do a better job than some 50-year-old fuckwit that can't even use cPanel. I'm also adept at looking shit up and I'm better educated than the old guard. Old people start doing something like writing a CV and they don't even look up tips or examples of good ones online. It's too fucking easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:19:12 2015 No.7177913 File: 133 KB, 599x340, 1442838368292.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174006 we're already the Last Men tbh

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:32:40 2015 No.7177934

>>7174372
So do you really think Florida, New Mexico, Texas, California, etc. were part of the US since the war against the British? Just an example, mate.

Also, some other fuckups:
Cuba (war against Spain after a false flag just for the munnies, supporting Batista, etc.)
Chile (inb4 Allende was a dirty commie who deserved it)
Operation Gladio
Japan it's one of the most advanced countries in the world... and the only one that has suffered a nuclear strike against its civilians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:41:23 2015 No.7177948 >>7173767 >Plato knew how the world worked at his time Plato denied reality and you are too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 08:57:12 2015 No.7178284 >>7177056 >Over Socialization is a GREAT term to describe this So basically Unabomber was right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 09:38:21 2015 No.7178372 File: 67 KB, 317x379, 1344235463423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7176944 I was like that at 18 I still am but now I'm 21

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:11:26 2015 No.7178463

>>7178284

Yes, but unlike him, you and I aren't sperglords who murder innocent strangers with bombs.

His definition of "Leftism today" is singlehandedly the most accurate definition of the Post-Modern Left.

It kind of sucks, though, because he's an awful idiot. But sometimes, awful people can be absolutely right. Life is funny like that.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:17:09 2015 No.7178482

>>7178463
I don't get why he even did that shit, I mean, his shit makes perfect sense, it references perfectly legitimate sociologists and such like Ellul, Postman, etc. AND he was in academia, so he had the chance to publish his works through a perfectly socially acceptable route. Doesn't compute.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:19:24 2015 No.7178489 >>7178482 He was involved in MK-Ultra experiments as a college student, his brain got all fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:21:12 2015 No.7178495 >>7178489 Wait what, is this just an /x/ theory, or for real? Because that would explain everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:27:57 2015 No.7178506 File: 152 KB, 1200x1630, 1426079791903.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 100% correct

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:47:03 2015 No.7178544 >>7178495 It's legit. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-the-unabomber-class-62 http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:50:21 2015 No.7178552 >>7178495 You'd be surprised at how much documented and legitimately horrifying shit the CIA has been pulling off for the last 50 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:51:07 2015 No.7178557 >>7178544 Jesus Christ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:59:29 2015 No.7178583 >>7178506 Typical "I can't believe leftists really believe what they believe" nonsense. That's continental philosophy levels of analysis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 11:34:47 2015 No.7178691 >>7178506 Define your terms. This is ridiculous nonsense. See the problems with Rightists is they can only tightist and never loosists. Go fuck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 16:24:02 2015 No.7179817 >>7174006 i don't get this picture

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:00:24 2015 No.7180531 >>7177934 >Japan it's one of the most advanced countries in the world... and the only one that has suffered a nuclear strike against its civilians. I seriously hope you aren't trying to imply the bombings weren't justified.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:55:53 2015 No.7180738

>>7177102
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxUY0kxH80
I went through the exact you are going through and still at to a certain degree. I agree with all the advice evryone has given you here though. Seta goal and form a daily routine for yourself. It will take a few years but trust me you will start to find happiness and enjoyment in things again and your pessimistic world view wont be as intens, I still have trouble connecting with some people because I know I;v been through things most people wont and thats fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:03:05 2015 No.7180757 >>7180738 Apologies for typos and poor grammar

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:08:15 2015 No.7180782 >>7180757 Meesa get took srs wiff out da grammar goods, dont gotsta evn spell it right, me dont

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:18:40 2015 No.7180820

>>7177913
>that pic
Bob's a fucking idiot, but it's clear that his point isn't that "do correct thing = reward", is a bad idea, but that it's idealized (as he clearly states). I.e. the assumption that people being rewarded more than other people are doing more of the "correct thing" (clearly not meant to be the absolute "correct thing", but rather the seemingly "correct thing", with possible connotations of the "right thing", bringing morals into it) is a false one that leads us to view anyone successful as more intelligent and better people than anyone that's not successful. Essentially encouraging celebrity and CEO worship, while simultaneously discourage empathy for the poor.

I don't necessarily even agree that this is a right-wing philosophy, but you have to be mind-bogglingly obtuse to think that this tweet is screencap-worthy as some sort of indication of Bob's stupidity.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:47:55 2015 No.7180900

>>7176476
Is there any way to escape this cultural conditioning? I feel like I'm at the point where a significant chunk of my personality is based off of self-deprication & ironic humour, and only became aware of it from the sheer isolation that I've witnessed throughout the span of this year. I'm like a minotaur, stumbling blindly through a labyrinth that I was born into. Capitalism pervades everything now, as does the spectacle that supports it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:49:35 2015 No.7180904 File: 110 KB, 342x280, tmp_2174-untitled1700269238.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7178372 Turning 20 in two days. I can relate, have felt like this for more than five years now.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:25:16 2015 No.7181002
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>>7176944
'96 here, i felt the same throughout high school but im learning to cope with the emptiness

i used to believe i had some goal, some standard, some obligation to live up to. my family always made me feel this way. but i'm now just living life on the short term. striving towards a dream never led me anywhere except despair.

now, though, i'm slowly watching all my friends accept dead-end jobs and be content with living sub-par lifestyles. they all had dreams of becoming accountants, doctors, lawyers, etc. now they are OK with being a sub-manager at KFC if it means they have enough money for weed and a cool-looking car.

i've abandoned my aspirations of becoming a STEMfag because i realized that i didn't want to do that shit for the rest of my life even though has the highest possibility for lodsa mone. fuck that. now i just want to land a stable, comfy job where i can funpost on cambodian finger painting forum (while still reading books and watching anime, of course) without the normal strictures of society. so when people say "just do what makes you happy :)", don't just write it off as a meme. at the end of the day it really is all that matters.

also, lay off the le ebin ironic internet culture and the 4chinz for a while.

tl;dr abandon your aspirations, embrace ironic shitposting for what it is, and smoke some dope

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:37:41 2015 No.7181036 >>7175763 >fags you just identified the latest taboo friend everyone and their moms is a homo now

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:41:41 2015 No.7181049 >>7181002 And how exactly do you expect to land a "stable, cushy job"? Unless you're extraordinarily lucky or have good family connections, it's pretty difficult without a technical degree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:43:03 2015 No.7181056 Lol, neo-ethicism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:45:52 2015 No.7181074 >>7181049 i never said high paying, fam maybe i'll go TEFL for a couple years

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:46:51 2015 No.7181082 >>7176476 There is no form of social mediation which can prevent the prevalence of human nature.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:47:57 2015 No.7181091

>>7177934
>Chile (inb4 Allende was a dirty commie who deserved it)
Its economy is doing fantastic thanks directly to US involvement. 66% of Chileans hold a positive view of the US according to a 2013 BBC poll. What's the problem exactly? If every US intervention looked like Chile, the world would be a better place

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:48:14 2015 No.7181092 >>7181074 Stable implies not part-time and cushy implies sitting in an office. Good luck finding either, it's not easy.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:48:58 2015 No.7181098

>>7181002
It sounded like you wanted to be the hero, but instead you settled for just being a background character in your own story. I know nothing about your talents, but I bet there was something you could be dedicating your life to something that you wanted to strive to be the best in.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:49:23 2015 No.7181100 >>7181092 >stable implies not part-time for me 1-2 years is just fine >cushy implies office lmao

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:01:00 2015 No.7181134

>>7180820
his point is about video games, he's merely dragging in the big bad evil right wing to make it
he is averse to the very idea of duty and responsibility
this particular brand of male feminist (twitter/indie game dev/weak beard/balding/capeshit) is the definition of the Last Man

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:04:20 2015 No.7181146

>>7181002
Actual guy you are responding to here. While I connect with some of the things you're saying I feel you are simply falling into a trap of hedonism that I'm trying not to fall into myself. I really do want to abandon my own STEM path, more because it's not my aspiration to enter the feild. Everyone just drools over my "mad computer skillz" and wants me to make tons of money. When really I don't want to be rich, the only thing I could think of to use money for is traveling I guess and even that feels like a bit of a waste. What's the point in traveling if I wouldn't gain anything from the experience? Life wont be better backpacking through Europe then it is here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:08:09 2015 No.7181156 >>7181146 if you haven't traveled you really should I'm dead inside too but traveling is one of the few things that perks me up

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:10:41 2015 No.7181160

>>7181156
I've had the opportunity to do a fair amount of traveling in the very short amount of time I've been alive. I really like it and think I'd like it even more doing it alone but I don't feel like it's realistic to go full nomad with little to no money.

I keep coming back to this thread because I like discussing this stuff but I feel like I'm turning it into my fucking blog. I'm sorry

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:11:48 2015 No.7181165 We have too much freedom, yes. To put it more indelicately, we're spoiled. I said it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:16:49 2015 No.7181183

>>7181134
Look at what's accentuated in that picture.
It's ostensibly a picture about videogames, meaning you could post it on /v/, but really it's about male feminists (as you basically admit in your post), and sort of the liberal-twitter-type in general.
The connection he's making is a shallow one, bringing in the right wing is an even shallower and unnecessary gesture, and the whole thing is a bit less true than he wants it to be, but he's not totally wrong (at least about how the reward system in videogames works, since it generally does work like that). His point isn't about duty or responsibility, it's about the connection between doing what is perceived as the "correct thing" and actual gain in life. It's not saying that you should shirk duty and responsibility, it's saying that you shouldn't assume that those with bad lots in life have shirked duty and responsibility.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:22:54 2015 No.7181520 >>7174006 >complaining about people riding bikes and caring about their appearance enjoy your cardiac arrest. I hope your surgeon's scalpel has just as much edge as you do, otherwise he might not be able to remove your necrotic left foot

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:39:41 2015 No.7181565

>>7177102
>Duster
Stratosphere was my go to choice when I was drunk or high and feeling depressed back when I was an undergrad, so I know that feel anon.

All I can say (for me) is that it got better over time. I was able to find a job/career that I love which I think was the main turning point from being apathetic about everything to actually giving a shit about something in my life.

I know finding fulfillment in a capitalist society is somewhat frowned on around these parts but actually having something in your life that you give a shit about is a very good thing imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:41:46 2015 No.7181568 >>7173658 Government can only spend so much of the GDP before things start going to shit m8

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:58:18 2015 No.7181589
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>>7181002
>mfw struggle to decide on dream/carreer my whole life
>realize it's all for nothing in the end
>get really into the career i lazily chose, deciding to live by it or crash and burn trying
>realize everyone else is in my classes is more of a pleb than me despite me only giving a shit about it for a couple of years now

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 01:47:45 2015 No.7181668 File: 47 KB, 471x500, 143536156114.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7173654 >todays generation >freedom Nigga you are retarded and also don't know the meaning of freedom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 02:23:07 2015 No.7181720 >>7177164 this is me :(

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 03:56:13 2015 No.7181880

>>7181100
>for me 1-2 years is just fine
part time is less that 35 hours a week, limited length is a fixed term contract. But I dunno where you live but just finding a cushy job thats gonna give you enough to afford the bare minimum probably isn't as easy as you think it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:17:39 2015 No.7182273 >>7181668 Tbhfam I'm more feeling chanarcho primitivism, the contradiction to end all contradictions. Enjoy yer factories breuh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:32:08 2015 No.7182291 >>7181589 More on pic related please?

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:55:23 2015 No.7182322

>>7173654
I spoke to a young man from Egypt who was a boxer and had been at Tahrir square during the revolutions. He was studying in Canada, but had spent time in America as well. He was very serious but warm, and was involved in a lawsuit after breaking a guys face for groping or wose, he wasn't arrested in the end a girl at a party. Interestingly, he said America was a very immature country, had no real values or sense of identity and effectively mirrored the ideas of Qutb, another young Egyptian who effectively founded Islamism as a political movement. This guy's country was in total ruins and he was happy here, because he felt people had actual virtue and dignity. Maybe he was wrong, but it's not an uncommon attitude.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:02:40 2015 No.7182335 >>7182322 Okay? Some second worlder thinks first worlders are immature? Is that your story?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:12:46 2015 No.7182345 >>7173654 cuck

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:20:55 2015 No.7182353

>>7182335

Kek, these third workers are like girls on social media who constantly whine about their non existent relationship drama to seem important / whatever.

Jesus Christ 3rd worlders get some water and medical supplies before you go on about the meaning of it all

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:22:23 2015 No.7182354 Self-determination in a complex monetary "republic" society =/= freedom

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:23:18 2015 No.7182436 >>7182354 this is literally as valid a statement as 'only white people can be racist'

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:27:55 2015 No.7182443 >>7175620 >Freedom is a means for control Go read the Gulag Archipelago and see if you think that you aren't relatively free in comparison with your ansectors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:31:19 2015 No.7182450 >>7173654 Reminder that CD rates were 17%+ in the early 80s. Any boomer not retiring a millionaire is a retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:32:34 2015 No.7182454 >>7182443 Read it, what are you even trying to say? The situation is exactly the same now in most of the world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:33:00 2015 No.7182455 >>7177210 I don't think you understand where the anon is coming from. Read Kierkegaard, and then the following existentialists, and then come back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:33:47 2015 No.7182457 >>7182454 Are you saying we live under totalitarian rule?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:43:47 2015 No.7182476 >>7182322 damn dude you should post that on Humans of New York

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:46:54 2015 No.7182483

>>7182457
Dunno, which country? Do you have secret prisons? Secret service? Can you be arrested for saying the wrong thing? Does your government kill its own citizens? Are there protected classes that you're not allowed to criticize? Is there autocensorship? People spying on and reporting each other?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:51:21 2015 No.7182497 >>7182353 yeah stupid fucking poor people with their childish bullshit like dysentery and state repression, lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:55:29 2015 No.7182504 >>7182450 Cross dressing rates?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 10:01:09 2015 No.7182512 >>7180738 >never seen a DFW interview before >watch this one Damn nigga, what a troubled, inwardly hurting guy. Wallace makes me feel empathetic again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 10:02:52 2015 No.7182514 >>7182483 Nothing to the extent of the Soviet Union. I don't know what your expectations of actual freedom is, but its probably absurd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 10:04:17 2015 No.7182518 >>7182514 Ok, so you don't have these things or you do? You think it's ok to have them "in moderation"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 12:00:05 2015 No.7182743 >>7175763 >Fuck you, I'm gonna change my gender!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 15:18:13 2015 No.7183252 >>7176049 In the 1880s, old people were cool. Twenty something's would dress and do their hair to make themselves look older.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 01:50:00 2015 No.7184735 Millenials aren't even 18 and working full time yet, let's just see how things go

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 02:03:13 2015 No.7184758 >>7175763 Christianity will be the new edgy because it brings sincere hope instead of self-destruction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 03:32:07 2015 No.7184907 >>7184735 >what is Millennial generation? How are you this dumb? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 03:34:15 2015 No.7184910 File: 31 KB, 900x506, whitenigger-RachelDolezal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7182743 >Fuck you, I'm gonna change my race!

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 03:36:14 2015 No.7184912

>>7184735
>Millenials aren't even 18 and working full time yet

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials
"Millennials (also known as the Millennial Generation[1] or Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates when the generation starts and ends; most researchers and commentators use birth years ranging from the early 1980s to early 2000s."

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 05:38:40 2015 No.7185089

I used to care about all this but then I realized I'm just fucked up and broken, it's not the times or my generation it's just me. I remember the day I found this out, was when I meet my college roommate. Kid was smart funny and just happy. Then I knew it was just me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 05:48:27 2015 No.7185095 >>7185089 Your roommate was one of the sheeple/normie types of people. You're just a wannabe sheeple/normie. I'm not sure which of those is worse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 05:53:35 2015 No.7185100 >>7185095 Nope he was a three sport athlete and also in chess club. He would nerd out with me on video games and then we talked about his class on paradise lost for hours.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 05:56:18 2015 No.7185104

>>7173654

Lack of ideology and things to believe in.

So people either flee into crass consumerism or they join extremist organizations.

This is especially crippling amongst young men, ergo, the NEET culture that is spreading amongst the Western World.

>The greatest enemy that we have is raised in our own mind. The grammar of self-intolerance is what we have imposed and allowed others to impose upon us. Political correctness is a white European grammar, which we’ve been taught, and we’ve stumbled through the early phases of, and yet we’ve learned this grammar and the methodology that lies behind it very well.

>We’ve learned it to such a degree that we can’t have an incorrect thought now, without a spasm of guilt that associates with it and goes along with it. Every time we think of a self-affirmative statement, it’s undercut immediately by the idea that there’s something wrong, or something queasy, or something quasi-genocidal, or something not quite right, or something morally ill about us if we have that thought. And this extends out beyond racial and ethnic questions to all other questions. To questions of gender, to questions of group identity and belonging, to questions of cultural affirmation, to questions of history.

>Only when we are fit for power will we find the means to re-exercise it in our own societies. What is happening here and elsewhere in the West is the biggest test that Western people have faced for a very long period. In the past threats are always perceived as external. Another nation, another dictator, another aggressor, another imperial rivalry. In this filament of Empire, in the scramble for Africa at the end of the 19th century, and so on.

>All the enemies that we now face are internal. And the biggest enemies that we face are in our own minds. The feeling that we shouldn’t say this, shouldn’t write this, shouldn’t speak this, shouldn’t think this. These are the biggest enemies that we have. We’re too riddled with post-Christian guilt. We’re too riddled with philo-Semitism. We’re too riddled with a sense of failure, funk, and futility in relation to the European, the Classical, and the High Middle Ages past. We’re too defensive. We’re not aggressive and assertive enough as a group.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 05:57:22 2015 No.7185106

>>7185100
You're proving my point even more. Your roommate is one of those worldly, charming types. You simply wish to be like that and you're disappointed because you haven't done it.

"Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets."
-Luke 6:26

http://biblehub.com/luke/6-26.htm

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:02:58 2015 No.7185116

>>7185106
So being well balanced in terms of intelligence, athleticism, and creativity while being well spoken makes him a sheeple? I just don't follow that logic. I'm just saying on top of all that he is truly a happy guy and I won't ever be like that no matter how hard I try to use the logic of philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:03:19 2015 No.7185117 >>7185106 Not the same anon but you originally called the roommate a normie/sheeple, which he clearly isn't (assuming anon is truthful).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:08:46 2015 No.7185119 >>7185117 There's plenty of those normie types that can be social butterflies, the ones who hung out with the popular kids in high school, but also associated with nerdy types of people.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:18:19 2015 No.7185127

>>7185119
Normies don't possess deep knowledge of a range of wide and varied interests, devote themselves to both physical and intellectual hobbies, or possess the ability to discuss Paradise Lost for hours. The average person can do maybe one of these things. It's more than just being socially skilled.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:27:33 2015 No.7185133

>>7185127
I'm questioning your opinion on what is considered "normal" and "normalcy" in the human population. Because in my definition, normality is simply the ability to "appear" normal by being socially skilled and has nothing to do with things like private interests.

This is why extroverts make up an overwhelming majority in the human population, rather than introverts. Extroversion is more highly valued, introversion only has specific bastions where it's valued, such as in sciences, computer science, IT, etc., institutions where people have to be mainly alone to do their jobs.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:36:44 2015 No.7185141

P sure I'm just depressed because I'm mentally ill.

There's more too it than that (having a successful career in a normal field is impossible, having a career in the arts is too painful. Constantly losing friends to outbursts/episodes and spending too much time alone makes it impossible to make new ones) but that's basically it.

If I could have good friends and a good career, I would be perfectly content.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:37:53 2015 No.7185143

>>7173794
The last man (German: der letzte Mensch) is a term used by the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche in Thus Spoke Zarathustra [...]. The last man is tired of life, takes no risks, and seeks only comfort and security.

It is not a very childish thing to think that. Philosophically it is an established idea. I actually would like to feel comfy. As everyone else. Sincerity and commitment are an embarassment nowadays.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:41:13 2015 No.7185147

>>7185133
Being "normal" is acting in accordance with the norm, i.e. doing or thinking what most people do or think. That's my gripe with calling a person like that a normie, because the average person doesn't possess a wide and varied skill set, a balance between intellect and athleticism or a silver tongue.

We don't even know if anon's friend was able to blend into different social groups, if he was well liked by many or if he "appeared" normal, so I don't know why you try to assert that this guy fits into your definition of normal.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:51:23 2015 No.7185156

>>7185147
Anon is calling himself "broken" when comparing himself to his roommate who he says is "smart, happy." I think anon is simply an introvert who may be compounded with the results of being introverted in an extrovert-dominated world (maybe mental stress, or mental illness). If this roommate is so damn smart he wouldn't be so happy to know what the world is truly like, which means this roommate is a total normie. Because anon seems to want to be like his roomie, he's not a normie. But I think he just wishes he was, because it's not easy being introvert.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:52:41 2015 No.7185157 >>7185143 >Sincerity and commitment are an embarassment nowadays. I'm so fucking tired of ironic distance and style over substance. It feels like we live in a culture of cowardice. I can't wait for the pendulum to swing the other way.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 06:54:02 2015 No.7185159

>>7185147
I forgot to mention, anon's roommate reading Paradise Lost doesn't count because this was for a class.Basically it was a requirement, not his own free will, basically him discussing the novel helped him to learn it better. That's something extroverts do to learn about the contents of books because their brains find it very boring to read for pleasure.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:03:26 2015 No.7185165

>>7185156
>If this roommate is so damn smart he wouldn't be so happy to know what the world is truly like, which means this roommate is a total normie.

Eh... "Everyone who is happy are just blissfully ignorant of the true state of the world" is just a thing depressed people say to comfort themselves. It's true in some or even many cases, but there's no way you could apply this to everyone who has found happiness. It's just projection of your own existential misery. It sounds like this guy used his skills and intelligence to actually achieve things, actually engaging in the world and bring meaning into his life. Meaningful action and achievment are huge components of happiness, so dismissing his happiness as a result of blissful ignorance is pretty clueless.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:05:57 2015 No.7185168

>>7185165
I'd wager that this guy isn't so smart. One of my main points of evidence is the fact that he was discussing Paradise Lost with anon because anon said it was his roommate's class. Seems like his roommate needed a tutor and he used anon for this through his normie social skills.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:09:50 2015 No.7185171

>>7185159
> basically him discussing the novel helped him to learn it better.

Baseless speculation.

>That's something extroverts do to learn about the contents of books because their brains find it very boring to read for pleasure.

Again, pure speculation. You know nothing of what he said during the discussion, why he was discussing it or if he was doing it for pleasure or to gain deeper understanding of it. Besides, that stupid introvert/extravert dichotomy and their definitions is the most fallacious cultural item of the decade. Not every introvert is a deep thinker, not every extravert is socially skilled or unable to sit still and focus on doing one thing, and the majority of people are actually ambiverts, meaning they enjoy company but also need solitude from time to time. That dumb introvert book was just made for socially crippled people to feel better about themselves, giving them reason to believe they were actually misunderstood, deep thinkers misunderstood by the sheepish majority.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:12:18 2015 No.7185176 >>7182291 >More on pic related please nothing exists so make your own shit up that's good

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:12:55 2015 No.7185179 >>7185171 >That dumb introvert book was just made for socially crippled people to feel better about themselves, giving them reason to believe they were actually misunderstood, deep thinkers misunderstood by the sheepish majority. Normie detected

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:18:51 2015 No.7185184

>>7185179
Everyone and their mother wants to identify as an introvert these days, because that book, while not explicitly stating it, basically made introversion sound superior. Everyone wants to identify as a deep, intelligent thinker whether they actually are or not. It's the forer effect on a societal level.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:23:17 2015 No.7185192

>>7185184
No, introverts are superior, it's the untold story of human history. There wouldn't be as much war if the world was dominated by introverts. That's just one example.

Keep spreading disinformation, you're only convincing other normies. Most introverts, especially if they haven't succumbed to taking psychiatric drugs to dope themselves up to be likable know what they are and aren't fooled by this type of propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:24:14 2015 No.7185194 >>7185184 Whoops, not the forer effect. But the one where you identify with positive personality traits regardless of how well they actually fit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:24:31 2015 No.7185195 >>7185192 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:28:03 2015 No.7185199 >>7185195 Normie detected

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:29:30 2015 No.7185201

>>7185192
>> There wouldn't be as much war if the world was dominated by arians
> There wouldn't be as much war if the world was dominated by hippies
> There wouldn't be as much war if the world was dominated by women
and now
> There wouldn't be as much war if the world was dominated by introverts.

the "best" social group to belong to is always the one of the author

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:29:41 2015 No.7185203 >>7185184 blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:29:58 2015 No.7185204 >>7185192 It's true many of the greatest minds in history have been introverts and have pursued their work in solitude. But that doesn't make every introvert a deep or superior thinker.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:30:12 2015 No.7185205 >>7185199 autist detected

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:34:20 2015 No.7185213

>>7185204
>But that doesn't make every introvert a deep or superior thinker.
It makes their brains capable of it more than extroverts. Take a look around at the world. Look behind the gilded veil. It's because of the constant succession of extroverts in power. They perverted all the introverts' inventions and research and used it to gain and keep their power.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 08:02:29 2015 No.7185231

>>7185201
>There wouldn't be much war if people were mostly the same

I also find this sentiment dumb, if we all agreed w/ eachother in temperament/ideas, we would still find reasons for hating eachother.

extrovert =/= evil

I know you guys think this is the big problem, because I do the same thing, hating somebody bc I think they're an extroverted lug, but it's textbook confirmation bias. sometimes I'm right, but just as often they turn out to be less of a lug than I thought they were. introverted spergs have an equal or greater capacity than extroverts to be intolerant assholes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 08:07:32 2015 No.7185236 >>7173810 Bingo

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 08:31:20 2015 No.7185284

>>7184758

The veil has been raised over Christianity though.

Anyone of intellect can't believe it because you need to do some Aquinas mental-gymnastics for it to make sense, and if you've read Plotinus then you realise that Christ is an unneeded part of the argument.

The only way Christianity can succeed again is the same way it did the first time: the totalitarianism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 08:32:59 2015 No.7185288 >>7185106 Fuck Christians. You're taking that quote so completely out of fucking context. Fuck you, fuck your bullshit conversion via quotemining.

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