I don't get it. What's the point of writing poetry in 2015? It's cringe worthing. Our era is just not meant for poetry.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:05:40 2015 No.7170829 [Reply] [Original]

I don't get it. What's the point of writing poetry in 2015? It's cringe worthing. Our era is just not meant for poetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:07:49 2015 No.7170835 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:08:34 2015 No.7170838 File: 4 KB, 125x125, u did it champ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7170829 >cringe worthing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:09:27 2015 No.7170842 >our language is just not made for poetry seriously. English has always been a giant pile of grammatical/phonetic abortion matter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:09:36 2015 No.7170843 The current era will be looked back on as the era of normalfags. Everyone afraid to do anything that isn't 'cool' or 'trendy'. Writing poetry is one of those things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:10:51 2015 No.7170849 File: 454 KB, 720x514, longspur violet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7170829 this is going to be a stupid thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:10:55 2015 No.7170850 >>7170835 Because everything has already been done in poetry. Every poem written in 2015 is boring and uninteresting.

>>	El gordo Terremoto Mon Sep 28 15:14:06 2015 No.7170859 Fb bitches loves it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:17:30 2015 No.7170872 I think that if right before a battle, mentalized to just go and waste your life, you can write poetry, then in a time when everything is relaxation and pleassure we can make a bit of room for poetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:27:18 2015 No.7170908 Roses are red so is my dick come in my bed and suck on it quick pls r8

>>	fun guy aengoth Mon Sep 28 15:29:19 2015 No.7170915 www ruined it all tbh need a ww

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:29:28 2015 No.7170916 >>7170829 are you sure that is not just your opinion. I see nothing cringey about it, you are just spooking yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:31:07 2015 No.7170920 >>7170850 That's not true.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:31:30 2015 No.7170921

>>7170842

that's actually why it's great for languages. homophone puns make up for the weak rhyming powers. has a lot of vowels and can make for interesting consonance. etymologically varied and transparent allowing for a lot of logopoeia and rich vocabulary with lots of exact, one-off and two-off synonyms and plenty of antonyms.

Only real weakness is that it's not inflected pretty much at all, so word order is pretty strict. Lots of romance and germanic languages suffer from this though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:32:36 2015 No.7170922 >>7170921 * great for poetry

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:35:23 2015 No.7170932

>>7170843
My peer group is full of philistines and hipsters. The leftovers are so fucking indifferent it sickens me. All the best art I have seen/read/heard has just been a chance experience. I don't think I have very peculiar taste, but it seems to me that it is hard to find like-minded people because I always run into either the contrarians who can't think for themselves or the indifferents who are just there because its a things to do. Not that everybody has to be serious about everything, but it makes for awkward conversation when you start talking and they have no idea what you are on about/don't care. I have to agree that poetry is kinda choked out, at least in my experience. Not that it isn't out there, but people won't look back on this time as producing good poetry. Its all about the commercialization of "art" in this general time period. Graphic design for still picture, video editing for moving picture, buzzwords and marketing slogans for literary/language, etc. It could be a good thing, the merging of art with industry, if it weren't for the fact that it all revolves around deliberate psychological manipulation.

I guess that is my rant for the day.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:45:35 2015 No.7170969

>>7170921

well said.

in the same breath, why isn't inflection stressed more in English poetry? our language is lousy with inflection, yet none of that is reflected in our poetry. as an english teacher who's been stressing inflection to students, this seems perfectly bizzare

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:55:43 2015 No.7170996 >>7170850 Both your statements are very wrong.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:40:55 2015 No.7171143

>>7170829
I don't know man, everytime I read poetry of the ages past I feel like it has some sort of worth, that it's "real" poetry.

Everytime I read a modern poem or listen to someone recite a modern poem all I can think about is how fake it feels. How insincere it feels.
It's like they write poetry because they want to be clever or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:41:56 2015 No.7171149 >>7170969 I never even though about how we stress words until I started taking Russian. It's just not taught.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:13:25 2015 No.7171575 >>7170921 In what sense is german not a very infelcted language? It is highly polysynthetic and constantly joins smaller words into biger ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:58:08 2015 No.7171763 >>7170829 A poetry slam A poet knows Is followed up fam With cheeky nandos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:09:38 2015 No.7171786 >>7170829 Why do people take pride in failing to understand contemporary literature

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:11:08 2015 No.7171794

>>7171143
Precisely, take for example Robert Frost, his work quite literally engulfs your mental imagery with sensory stimulation. One feels as if they are looking through his eyes, and feel the environmental factors of his time through the ways in which he describes them. I feel as if modern day writers and "poets" appear so unoriginal and tacky because the greats such as Robert, Thoreau, and Emerson, Whitman covered a very deep and intricate style of writing that most cling to and attempt to replicate maybe without even trying to. It's kinda like observing an age of writing where one can have an original idea, but with so many different types of poetry already covered, its hard to form a completely original sequence without it mimicking the flow or sound of a past work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:49:58 2015 No.7171893 >>7171575 it's certainly not at the level of russian or greek

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:58:30 2015 No.7171910

>>7170843
I think the issue is that the norm has become trying to prove you're different. If you don't do anything spectacular or show how "sincere" you are, you aren't participating in the social game. This "sincerity" is just a hollow attempt to showcase how different you are from the conception of what normal IS and, following this, paradoxically, become accepted in this newfound "individualistic" (but not really) society. It's a perversion of honesty and still doesn't allow people to be themselves (esp. when you consider the fact that everyone is actually very boring).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:26:21 2015 No.7171971 >>7171794 One reason could be that a lot of literature majors dont go out and experience anything. They are all huddled up in the university. They dont go out and breath the fresh air and experience the nature.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:28:04 2015 No.7171973

>>7171910
>criticizes society for being infatuated with being unusual
>criticize people of being boring

You seem to be an example of the first point yourself.
You are overexposed to oppinions and media and expression of people through different mediums.
You are saturated with expression and thus find most things boring.
Or perhaps the vastness of expression the small percetage of exceptional work seems even more exceptional compared to when people were exposed to 100 times less expression.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:32:55 2015 No.7171986 >>7171794 nah, you're just ankle deep into 21st century poetry. Read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:45:27 2015 No.7172021 >>7171973 There's nothing wrong with being boring, you dolt. In fact, I think people should come to terms with their boringness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:48:11 2015 No.7172034 >>7171971 Or go outside their comfort zones. Hell, they've never known there was a world outside of their comfort zones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:05:41 2015 No.7172077 >>7172021 Boring is usually used in a negative connotation. Wanna make up new definitions for words dont blame people for not understanding you, dult.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:12:56 2015 No.7172099 >>7171910 >the fact that everyone is actually very boring If you really think this is true you're not looking deep enough into things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:26:52 2015 No.7172159 >>7172034 >comfort zones Ahh shhheeiit. You've been spooked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:29:48 2015 No.7172169 File: 23 KB, 361x361, frodo2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7172034 What if my confort zone is really small? Am I living the literary life by just stepping out of the house?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:31:06 2015 No.7172174

>>7170996
>>7170920
Okay can you losers recommend some good 21st century poetry?

I read a few quite recent award winning books but I wasn't too impressed with any of them, maybe it's because I don't fuxwit free verse and anyway I still think that Whitman was a hack

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:49:49 2015 No.7172229 >>7170829 Nobody sings their poems anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuNEV3OUjhI

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:52:54 2015 No.7172242 >>7172229 wow way to ruin a poem incredibly gay seriously, never do this unless the poem is a ballad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:55:40 2015 No.7172249 >America is not producing good poetry, so no one is producing anything good either.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:01:46 2015 No.7172267

>>7172169
No, I mean go get into trouble. Give some weird hobos car rides. Talk to random strangers. Get drunk with homeless bums. Reach out to people, get insight into people's lives. Force yourself into situations you wouldn't feel comfortable in. If your comfort zone is like, only 100 square meters, then get the fuck out of it. There's a world outside of literature you know.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:07:24 2015 No.7172281

>>7172267
>>7172169

Like here's what I mean; against my own volition, I know what crack looks like. No, I didn't google it, I gave two bums a car ride. Only I didn't know it was to go buy crack. Now for some god awful reason I know the culture of crack heads. Turns out they like to hide their crack in alley ways and random nooks and crannies. If you ever see something that looks like a tiny piece of soap in an alley behind an abandoned building, well then that's probably crack.

I gave a dude and his "girlfriend" a ride to a casino, saw this guy throw her off the bed of the truck into a puddle of her own urine with her panties around her ankles (country roads at night, people just pee in the grass and no one cares) then when we got to the casino I had to console a bawling prostitute who told me her entire life's story and about how all her kids died in a car accident. She told me "And at least I know that if I die tonight then I'll be with my children." She was begging me to call the police and I did. I was in a situation where there was a frantically crying prostitute and an erratic pimp while cop cars surrounded us right outside the casino.

And that sure as hell was not something I was comfortable doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:23:54 2015 No.7172340 >>7172099 go beyond persons and you see it´s actually very boring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:27:23 2015 No.7172347 >>7170932 This is also true where I live, sadly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:30:52 2015 No.7172357 >>7172340 Rewrite your post in a way I can actually understand what you're saying, please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:31:55 2015 No.7172359 >>7172357 Pretentious twat, you understood him perfectly well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:34:15 2015 No.7172364 >>7172267 >>7172281 Anon, I was joking. But you seem awfully invested in this lifestyle. Do you do it to be a better artist or just because you like the adrenaline? Because it seems to me like you're kind of using people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:36:07 2015 No.7172367 >>7172359 Not really, I didn't. Which is why I'm asking him to say it some other way. >Pretentious twat Whoa, touchy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:43:27 2015 No.7172376 >>7172364 You're the one using us with your unfunny jokes, mate.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:46:54 2015 No.7172384

>>7172364
No, I don't have any motivations going into that. I got drunk with the bums because they bummed a smoke from me and said "here, drink with us in exchange."

I gave that pimp and that prostitute a ride because I was kind of tipsy and thought "Yeah sure whatever"

I gave the crack heads a ride because they straight up BEGGED me to and said they needed to go help one of their sick mothers.

And no, I'm not invested in any lifestyle. All of these events were coincidental. I did not seek them out. I made no effort to get to know bums and homeless people. It just happened. I don't even have a comfort zone.

So I don't know. I don't think I'm using anyone. It all just happened on its own. Like I said, none of these experiences were things I sought out. Shit, sometimes I wish they never happened.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:03:18 2015 No.7172422

>>7172376
How can I be using you by giving something for nothing in return?

>>7172384
>no, I'm not invested in any lifestyle. All of these events were coincidental. I did not seek them out.
I see, invested was probably a bad choice of words, and I just misread your intentions. But you would say they're pretty important moments to you, no?

>I don't even have a comfort zone.
>Like I said, none of these experiences were things I sought out. Shit, sometimes I wish they never happened.
But you were saying all those lit majors should go out of their confort zones, right? So you think it's something that's ultimately beneficial, or am I misunderstanding something again?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:40:00 2015 No.7172516

>>7172422
Important in that they made me have a better understanding of the general culture of the ghetto. Sorry if ghetto is offensive or something. This is the south and it's true, we have legitimate ghettos. They made have just a little bit more understanding. I've never returned to anything like that. Live farther away from it now. I guess they were important - no, influential- in making me view racial relationships in less of a pitiable way. Well, it is kind of pitiful, but I started realizing things like that are minority events, as in they don't happen much. They happen all the time but considering how many people there are in these areas, they're minority. It mostly made me very interested in drug addiction and the sorts of mental and emotional problems that would lead someone to do things like become a pimp or a prostitute. It also really made me see the ghettos and black people in the southern US as their own culture.

And well, as you pointed out, I do have a comfort zone. I like to think mine is broader, I mean, I still live around 'rough' people. I guess what I meant was if all you're doing is learning how to write, spending most of your time writing and reading then you're probably white, or at least from some sort of wealth. You're probably a normal person who likes to read or hang out with your equally normal friends. You're probably the kind of person who likes to shy away from things that could seem unsafe. You'd probably be opposed to walking down roads at night, and averse to speaking to 'rough' people or people who seem like their outside your culture- outside of what you'd feel comfortable doing. But you're probably sensitive too, and I don't mean that condescendingly. I know I'm assumptive, but at least part of being a good fiction writer is being perceptive and sensitive. You probably could do a really good job at understanding, as much as an outsider's capable, other people, other cultures of people- even different cultures of people in your ethnicity. I just feel like most people who study literature lead sterile lives, beyond mental and emotional disorders brought up by parents or drastic events in life. It leads to sterile literature. I apologize if I've been to quick to assume.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:41:12 2015 No.7172517 the sorrows of cringe werther

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:53:20 2015 No.7172551

>>7172422
>>7172516
And no, I'm not saying go out and seek what I've done. By golly I didn't even seek those out and I think you'd have to be nuts to. Like, when the crack heads approached me, I gave them some change and just started talking to them. I didn't have ulterior motives, I don't know why I did, I just did. I've always started conversations with random strangers. But in the southern culture of (usu. white) wealth, you're trained to stay away from such people, they may be unsafe. But I don't know, I just spoke to these people. I never felt unsafe getting drunk with these white bums outside of a run down apartment right in front of the side walk, it was daylight, people were passing by, what could they have done to me? And I wasn't even considering those factors before I spoke to them- I simply perceived nothing wrong. I like speaking to people, even though one was missing an eye, they hadn't bathed in probably over a year, and they were on heroin too (you can tell by looking at pupils).

I never perceived any danger with the pimp until he hurt his prostitute. They asked for a ride. There are a lot of carless people in my city. The road I took was a straight shot and cars pass by all the time, even at night. They had to ride behind me, in the bed of the truck. Why not give them a ride? I had nothing better to do.

And I'm not saying it's beneficial necessarily. I mean, only with respect to less sterile literature and views on the world, but even then it's not really beneficial. I'm just tired of sterile things. Less sterile lives means less sterile books usually.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 00:29:31 2015 No.7172667

>>7172516
>>7172551
Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. But I feel we can't fault people for that because, well, it's in their nature to prefer the safer road. I think most people would like to simply find something nice and just stick to it. Which can be a problem.

Personally, I've been horribly shy all my life, so talking to others and doing away with my paranoic assumptions has always been a struggle; it's ended up making me eager to try new things, but hard to identify with anything, so I end feeling like I'm just striking conversation to put a check on my list of things a functional human being should do. But again, I'm interested in pretty much anything or anyone thanks to it. I really doubt you can say that about most people, because they just have no reason to. People look at the news, and when they see someone get killed they think that's something that could happen to them; that way of thinking is impossible for me.

Regardless, I can only take your word on the state of literature, since I'm the kind of guy who's not into things current. But I'm not really sure you need big life experiences to create a non-sterile literature; it can certainly help, but one needs the capacity to create something alive to begin with. I'm mostly talking out of my ass though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 04:17:37 2015 No.7173202 >>7170920 >>7170996 What do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 04:49:29 2015 No.7173267 >>7173202 Poems can be good even if they aren't written in iambs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 05:28:24 2015 No.7173355 >>7172359 who the fuck even are you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 07:06:04 2015 No.7173516 File: 1.99 MB, 403x234, 1417479764093.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7170850 >Dem generalizations >Dem assumptions >Dem poor cognitive skills >Goddamn

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 07:09:21 2015 No.7173523

>>7170932
Very true in my experience as well.
The small poetry scene in which I move has these two kind of people, philistenes having the balls to go on stage, read some shit, pat each other on the back calling themselves poets; and the hipster, usually sitting in the darkness of the audience, clapping at every silence, sneering at the words they don't like and drooling at those they do like, which is normally a matter of feeling, i.e. how whole-heartedly and nakedly someone reads.

And I do agree with you that, were this trend to continue, advertising and marketing is going to appropriate poetry, which will make creative children of the future consider a life of publicist instead of a life of art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 07:22:38 2015 No.7173545 >>7172267 That is the Beatnickest thing I've read this year. What about reason, knowledge and experience in a frame of sensibility and acceptance, instead of mindless, reckless disregard for your own future?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 07:31:19 2015 No.7173553 Free verse killed poetry.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:06:17 2015 No.7173704
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>>7173553
Not quite exactly free verse, but a complete banalization of topics, shallowness of approach and short insight and attention spans.

At first (maybe the forties, fifties) those poets were lauded as the peak of creativity and intelectuality for daring (gasp!) to go upstream. That rebellious spirit persisted, though absolutely devoid of originality, spirit or content, and so we're stuck with a bunch of pretentious faggots who can't write subordinate clauses giving birth to atrocious, self-appeasing "poems" that don't say anything, don't move anything and don't achieve anything other than some claps and cheers from dull-cow-eyed sheeps in poetry slams.

I got plenty more rants where this one came from. The modern state of poetry is, for the most part, wallowing in stale, 80-year-old postmodernism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:23:06 2015 No.7173749 >>7173553 this 99% of the time, the stricter the rules of structure the poem adheres to, the better it is

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:46:14 2015 No.7173969

>>7173545
Well then you're probably going to make something good. I might not want to read it. And did you read the other things I posted? Definitely not beatnicky, I'm not glorifying what I've done.

Though in a framwork of acceptance? That's exactly what I mean by sterility

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:50:57 2015 No.7173977

>>7173545
And at least what I did wasn't reckless, at least everything except for giving the pimp/prostitute a ride. I mean, I wound up actually helping someone though.

Just if you have normal experiences (no you don't need to have some life ruining or soul crushing experiences to write well) then your writing is probably going to be just as normal and bland. Especially if you're just a college student. Haven't you heard of writers' workshop syndrome?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:07:39 2015 No.7174165

>>7172667
No, it's not their faults. It's just the way their culture has made them behave. That's no one's fault, that's just happenstance. And like I just said, you don't need big life experiences but man, having something interesting at least helps. I just can't think that bland and sterile lifestyles can aid much in making something that isn't bland or sterile. I feel like it's part of the reason everyone says things like "There's nothing new you can do with poetry. There's no room for creativity because everything has already been done."

Which is surprising too because people have always known this but still people manage to make creative writings.

"What has been is what will be and what has been done is what will be done and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a thing of which it is said "See, this is new"? It has been so already in the ages before us. There is no remembrance of former things nor will there be any remembrance of later things yet to be among those who come after."

Those statements are over 2000 years old.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:05:36 2015 No.7174582

>>7173969
What I meant with frame of acceptance is accepting the reality around you, not necessarily conforming to it but just acknowledging it and acting in accordance to your own senses, instead of just doing what is dictated to you by whatever powers, be it society, fashion or rebellion.

Also, there is no way for me to know which posts are yours, unless you are this guy:

>>7173977
Having normal experiences is not the same as having normal dreams. Also, not everybody who has lived an extraordinary life is an extraordinary writer and the other way around.

Also, I'm not judging you or your actions, I'm just saying that that way of thinking (do whatever you want! Talk to strangers! Forget your own moral behaviorist conditioning!) can lead to pretty ugly situations.

And no, I haven't heard of writer's workshop syndrome, although I can kinda guess what it means, but I'd love to know more from it by your own hand. So, plz, explain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:18:37 2015 No.7174633 >>7170829 There is no money in poetry, but then there is no poetry in money - Robert Graves

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:26:38 2015 No.7174670 >>7170829 OP is a filthy slut

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:37:32 2015 No.7174713

Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap. It moves in cycles.

100 years ago poetry (in Britain and IIRC America too) was in an absolute shit state, much like it is now, but just in a different way. Instead of being dreadful free-verse splodges of muh special snowflake feels, it was dreadful stilted, arcane, horrifically sincere and sentimental Romanticism in faux-Elizabethan diction; that was why the Modernists like Pound rebelled and introduced free verse. The same thing was true of poetry in 1790, shitty, austere, over-intellectualised classicism in monotonous rhyming couplets...so Wordsworth and the Romantics rebelled and created a golden age of English poetry.

Nothing new under the sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:44:12 2015 No.7174744 File: 92 KB, 500x302, postcard-unbeingdead.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174713 this, we only remember the best and the worst

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:44:17 2015 No.7174746 File: 13 KB, 240x240, 1407359008328.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174713 Shit, nigger, I think you have just discovered America!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:48:53 2015 No.7174760 I bet you faggots don't even read any contemporary poetry. Word of caution before you start revving up those youtube links: slam poetry is not actual poetry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:51:11 2015 No.7174778 >>7174760 >slam poetry is not actual poetry. muh rill poetry

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:55:32 2015 No.7174800 File: 151 KB, 800x605, 1317048925686.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7174778 >muh rill poetry muh dank meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:59:01 2015 No.7174824 >>7173704 /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:02:56 2015 No.7174843 >>7174713 faggot detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:16:59 2015 No.7174902 >>7173553 Prose poetry is best poetry. (See: Elizabeth Bishop and Debora Greger)

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:20:26 2015 No.7174918

>>7174902
Prose poetry is prose. Period. That fucking thing has only been around for the past hundred year, thanks to...surprise! Post-modernism! Once the shackles of rhyme and rhythm and structure were done away with, anything that sounded remotely good, any pair of words that happened to combine to form a cohesive pair, every fucking thing, is prose poetry, as long as you are not telling a story.

Prose poetry is for the faggots who can write neither.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:24:29 2015 No.7174928 >>7174918 >implying prosaic verse can't tell a story >implying either of the writers I listed can't do short stories, complex rhyme, and more >implying prose poetry still isn't superior >implying

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:35:53 2015 No.7174975 >>7174928 If you could argue why poetic prose is anything other than prose, you would have. Until then, my point still stands.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:12:31 2015 No.7175125
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I would argue someone like Charles Wright is someone that still does poetry, but it is becoming a lost art. More and more (and with myself as well), we can't get away from "ourselves" (inb4 DFW solopschim shooplopshichism), and most of the stuff that people today consider "poetry" is really just Prosaic Memoir, or character study. Not that it's bad, just an unpracticed art. People want to be able to read something and know it, e.g., people on this board that read Metamorphosis or Gravity's Rainbow and lose their shit because they don't "get it" on the first reading.

Reading poetry takes patience and repetition, like viewing sculptures by walking around them, taking them in at all possible angles, letting image and not self-explained meaning speak to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:16:14 2015 No.7175144 >>7175125 To be fair, Gravity's Rainbow is meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:31:14 2015 No.7175225 File: 595 KB, 720x759, hairybeardtongue.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7170849 yes this has been an awful thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:32:34 2015 No.7175231 File: 1.97 MB, 2448x3264, photo_1443290934270.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7175225 Agreed my dude

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:34:48 2015 No.7175237 Memes are the new poetry. And I am a memet. I can literally make any fucking meme go viral.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:38:23 2015 No.7175254

>>7170829
Because it is quietly rewarding to build up a repetoire of beautiful patterns of speech and thought birthed from your own imagination.

It's free entertainment, you don't even need a pen and paper.

Indeed, if you've ever idly smashed together a few rhyming words for the hell of it (and who hasn't?) then you too are in some small way, guilty of poetry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:39:23 2015 No.7175260 >>7175237 cancer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:19:22 2015 No.7176059 >>7175225 Because at every hint of discussion you guise just hide behind proxies of sarcasm and faux-wit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 22:44:57 2015 No.7176845
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>>7176059
I don't come here to discuss things, everyone here is a know-it-all undergrad who thinks they know better than everyone else on the planet. Discussion here goes nowhere, and I don't care for arguing with 18-twenty somethings who haven't had their noodle wet yet.

I come here to give advice and recommendations for those that ask for it, and to shitpost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 01:52:56 2015 No.7177505 >>7176845 >I come here to give advice and recommendations for those that ask for it, and to shitpost. >plebs

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 06:47:24 2015 No.7178018

>>7176845
>I don't come here to discuss things,
>everyone here is a know-it-all undergrad who thinks they know better than everyone else on the planet.
>I come here to give advice and recommendations for those that ask for it, and to shitpost.

So you are a know-it-all, after all? Also, the reason discussion goes nowhere is thanks to people like you, who seem to believe they are above discussion.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 13:46:14 2015 No.7179205

>>7178018
>So you are a know-it-all, after all?
Regarding poetry absolutely; I'm an educated adult and I've been reading and writing since before some of the posters here were born.
>the reason discussion goes nowhere is because of people like you
Actually no because people like me don't bother with discussion here.
>people like me
most people here are freshmen and sophomores in college, there are few here "like me"
>above discussion
Actually this part's accurate.

I don't see what you're trying to accomplish with this exchange.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:34:04 2015 No.7181226

>>7170829
On the flip side, clay is the fucking thing to do. Artistic, interesting, challenging, makes you feel zen and you get a like a bowl or a mug or whatever you want out of it.

Honestly if you aren't doing clay in the year 2015 are you really intellectual.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:47:28 2015 No.7181250 >>7181226 >Honestly if you aren't doing clay in the year 2015 are you really intellectual. fucking lol'd

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:56:29 2015 No.7181280

I don't know. I appreciate older forms with very specific rules because it's interesting how the poets work within those rules. It's more about the language and the themes working together.

I haven't read much free verse/modern poetry that has an impact. All I can say usually is it's nice or interesting. A lot of that is probably just my own ignorance (I only took one lit course in college), but still. Too much of it just reads like prose arbitrarily broken up and I don't understand what the point of the breaking up is. To me it often deadens whatever impact the text would have had if structured normally rather than enhances it.

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