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Science Fiction and Fantasy general Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:13:19 2015 No.7095454 [Reply] [Original]

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>Recommendations:
>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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>What Fantasy and Sci-Fi are you reading right now?
>Who is your favorite female hero in Science fiction and Fantasy?
>Which lady hero gives you the biggest boner?

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Wed Sep 9 22:34:18 2015 No.7095541 File: 143 KB, 465x722, ChoRayDejahVsThark1998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7095454 We can post Dejah Thoris ITT?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:36:19 2015 No.7095548 >>7095541 If you really want to, my dear Butterfly.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 23:39:41 2015 No.7095757

>>7095454
>What Fantasy and Sci-Fi are you reading right now?
Dread Empire Book 4

>Who is your favorite female hero in Science fiction and Fantasy?
Used to be Anita Blake, not sure now. Read too many female protagonist books to choose.

>Which lady hero gives you the biggest boner?
Not sure, I like when they are taken hardRape though. E.g Black Jewel Trilogy, Sookie Stackhouse

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Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:16:50 2015 No.7095888

I'm reading Gemmell's Legend right now and wondering why I see it recommended so much. It feels incredibly rushed, like it's missing chapters almost with the way it glosses over stuff. Also the only interesting chapters are the ones featuring Druss. I couldn't care less about Rek and Virae's ridiculous love-at-first-sight-because-its-destiny shenanigans. If just focused entirely on Druss I'd be so much more interested.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 02:01:17 2015 No.7096197 Wanna start reading Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. Is it important to start reading chronologically, even if they're just collections of stories? Ordered Swords against Death, wondering if I should have gotten Swords and Deviltry instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 02:08:13 2015 No.7096207 I was considering reading Peter Watts' Blindsight since I've heard good things about it from my friends. Is it any good?

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 02:52:08 2015 No.7096267

Can someone recommend one of the following?

>asian epic fantasy
>asian/arab science fiction (not one involving space)
>genuinely good cosmic horror from the past two decades

I've already read The Grace Of Kings, The Windup Girl, and John Dies At The End + This Book Is Full Of Spiders (though whether comedy can be cosmic horror is debatable)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:28:18 2015 No.7096318 >>7096267 Maybe not completely what you're looking for, but still: - A Chinese fantasy story written by an American author: Bridge of Birds by Barry Hughart - An Arabian fantasy story written by an American author: Aliph the Unseen by G. Willow Wilson

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:37:00 2015 No.7096333 When I was 14 I jacked off to that redhead from Hyperion in the simulated English French war. Dorcas best waifu

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 03:42:04 2015 No.7096343

>>7096267
If you're looking for good Asian scifi not involving space, Project Itoh's two completed novels, Genocidal Organ and Harmony, are pretty interesting. Flawed, because he really didn't live long enough to polish his ideas into anything amazing, but Harmony especially is a novel that deserves a lot more exposure than it gets.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 04:57:23 2015 No.7096465

Why does fantasy sound much better in the description?
I get hyped as fuck like "Twenty eight florins a month is nowhere near enough when a wyvern's jaws snap shut on your helmet in the hot stink of battle.."
YESSS
And then the actual book is a slog. Every single fantasy novel I've read.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 05:20:59 2015 No.7096503 >>7096207 Some great ideas and one notable shitty idea, all wrapped up in terrible hard SF prose. >>7096267 Check out Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay. Not very epic though, but great nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 07:05:18 2015 No.7096664 >>7096267 >asian epic fantasy Moshui: The Books of Stone & Water by Daniel Fox The Long Price Quarter by Daniel Abraham >asian/arab science fiction God's War by Kameron Hurley

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 07:21:21 2015 No.7096686

Finally decided to start reading Book of the New Sun.

I'm only about 100 pages into the first book, but already it's one of the most incredible pieces of genre fiction (if you can call it that) I've ever read---I'm not sufficiently far to make a true judgement, but the writing is 11/10 beautiful and dreamlike. Really digging it so far. I'm glad to see one /lit/ recommendation actually turned out good lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 07:42:22 2015 No.7096711 >>7096686 There is no such thing as genre fiction, only good and bad books and literary movements. Get that silly meme out of your head. Also glad you are enjoying it, it's really one of a kind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 07:46:13 2015 No.7096718 >>7096686 You should read Gormenghast if you've not already, a lot of how architecturally descriptive it was and how ritual obsessed everyone is very similar to TBONS.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 07:48:30 2015 No.7096724

>>7096718
I read Titus Groan a couple of years ago, and it was quite exquisite, though very meditative and slow paced. Added to its baroqueness imo. For some reason I never picked up Gormenghast, even though I really enjoyed Titus Groan. I guess I'll have to go back after I read tBoNS and give it a go again

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 09:49:08 2015 No.7096945 1. Foundation and Empire 2. Haven't read any with a female hero yet. 3. I guess Alia from Children of Dune, but before she's possessed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:11:13 2015 No.7096998 >>7095454 >What Fantasy and Sci-Fi are you reading right now? The last Dark Tower book. >Who is your favorite female hero in Science fiction and Fantasy? Arya Stark tbh. Book version obvs. >Which lady hero gives you the biggest boner? Buffy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:21:52 2015 No.7097023 >>7096197 Why would you skip them? you hate having fun or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:28:51 2015 No.7097048 File: 57 KB, 338x499, 51XmTirL-ML._SX336_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7095454 I'm still reading Mission Earth. On book 6.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:31:53 2015 No.7097058

>>7095888
I feel you nigga
First time I tried reading it, I thought it might be more interesting with the protagonist seeming a bit like a coward,
stopped reading after the cheesy "I just met you but I will save you from bad guys and love you for ever and ever and ever"

Finished after while though, it does get better, Legend has some great Druss moments
The other books in the series happen at different times before and after the siege, and they're a bit better, especially the ones with Druss and Waylander

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:42:07 2015 No.7097080 >>7096267 The Emperor's Blades is a bit like a split between some Imperial court intrigue/monk training/animu academy for young adult super elite soldiers that ride giant attack birds

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 10:54:41 2015 No.7097129 >>7097080 Do you think Hull is riding the captain? How many gods you think are in play?

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 12:22:35 2015 No.7097372

>>7097023
For some reason I thought Swords against Death was the first one, and dint bother to double check until after I ordered

So I'm asking if there's an overarching story to the different collections, and if I'll miss anything if I started with the second one before reading the first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 12:24:31 2015 No.7097380 >>7096686 You're in for one hell of a ride. Not many people are hooked on the first book, as the surreal atmosphere and labyrinth story are one of a kind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 12:44:10 2015 No.7097438 >>7096197 You'll miss the story of how they met, but personally, I thought it was the worst part of their adventures anyway. If missing the origin story doesn't bother you, go nuts with what you have.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 12:50:12 2015 No.7097451

Read 3 books in the last fortnight.

The first two books in Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicle, which I was conflicted about, mainly because Kvothe is a Gary Stu of the highest order and Denna is one of the worst characters ever written. But I found it hard to put down and most of it is pretty well done.

The other book was The Eye of the World. It was a sharp 180 as far as main characters are concerned, Rand and the others were so wary of magic and kept droning on about going back to their bumpkin village that I found myself sighing internally a fair bit and wished they were a bit more positive about the whole thing. Plus I felt it was WAY too similar to Lord of the Rings until the last third of the book. I did enjoy it however, and I'm excited to smash out a few more novels in the series in the next couple of weeks.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:05:23 2015 No.7097493
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I'm a little more than halfway through this; last chapter Egwene, Perrin, and wolfman separated from the gypsy hippies. It's alright so far, but I've seen people praise it to high heaven and I'm not seeing it. It seems like standard fantasy to me. Does something set it apart, or will set it apart? Granted, the story got better after the group separated, but I'm still struggling to get attached to the characters; I only really like Perrin and the haughty loli so far. Also, I hear most of the fourteen books are shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 13:25:20 2015 No.7097554 >>7097451 If you ever needed a perfect example of a manipulative, self indulgent, self aware, friendzoner, look no further than Denna. God how I wanted to wring that bitches neck for all the pain she put me through... Kvothe through...

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 14:41:52 2015 No.7097803

>>7097554

Yeah that was in the back of my mind, her similarities to histrionic and destructive females that I've suffered from in the past.

I don't know whether this means it's good or bad writing though; in a way she is realistic, and Kvothe is of the age where most men fall for manipulative sirens like her, but on the other Kvothe is purportedly an intellectual mastermind and throughout has been able to see what she does to other men. Despite this, plus knowing she is a literal whore, he still throws himself into the friend zone, willingly I might add, but then pines over wanting her romantically chapter after eye-rolling chapter?

I can't work it out, maybe Rothfuss is some kind of male feminist cuck, and Denna is his attempt at a strong female character, and Kvothe is his insert for his cuckold fetish.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 14:43:48 2015 No.7097807 So I finished with Black Company and was about to move to something else, like Malazan. Is it worth it? Any big drawbacks?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 14:44:50 2015 No.7097811 >>7097803 Why can't it be both? It's an attempt at a strong womyn and Rothfuss is a feminist cuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 15:53:04 2015 No.7098031 >>7097380 I was hooked at the point where Sev gets his sword.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:06:26 2015 No.7098083 >>7097372 Not really, but i suggest you read the first one because they're all really good. If you like the genre you should check out Clark Ashton Smith

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:15:13 2015 No.7098102 >>7097493 >I've seen people praise it to high heaven and I'm not seeing it. It seems like standard fantasy to me I thought exactly the same. Gave up on it pretty early in.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:23:47 2015 No.7098136

>>7097451
Jordan wrote the beginning of Eye of the World to be similar to the Lord of the Rings intentionally. At least, he said so in an interview (which I can't find at the moment)

>>7097493
Eye of the World is pretty traditional, yes, but it is not entirely indicative of the whole series. The Great Hunt does that much better. If you don't care for the series after tGH, then bailing out is not a bad choice.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:40:02 2015 No.7098220

>>7095454
1. Received Dhalgren, as well as Beggars In Spain in the mail this morning. Starting Dhalgren today.

2. The last female character I liked was Juliette from Wool. She wasn't whiney or irritating.

3. As far as boners are concerned, ladies in books haven't done it for me yet. Frank Frazetta's women are nice though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:41:45 2015 No.7098224 >>7097807 Malazan drew it's inspiration from Black Company, it's good, but it's not a hand holding series. Go in expecting almost everything to be explained near the end, but be prepared to be lost between beginning and ending.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:47:45 2015 No.7098247 >>7097048 1) are you REALLY reading the mission earth books!? How have you managed to stomach it?! 2) Is that REALLY the cover or a parody?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:48:52 2015 No.7098252 File: 113 KB, 600x600, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7096686 We got another one

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 16:50:35 2015 No.7098255 >>7096718 New Suns inspiration is Jack Vances Dying Earth

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 17:07:08 2015 No.7098331

>>7097803
In the first book Kvothe was ok.

Yes, the "chosen one, surviving the deaths of their parents" trope was meh, and it didn't do any favours using the "my parents were special and died for a reason" trope either.

That didn't stop the slow growth of the character. What I think fucked up Rothfuss was his love interest.

From the first time Kvothe met Denna and onwards, the story went shit. His every choice was centered around this upscale bar wench. Getting more money to "help her", bartering his body parts to buy her debt(am I remembering this wrong?), etc, etc.

He in turn friendzoned a girl who openly like him, to go after the forbidden fruit, whose sweet sticky, yet gushingly juicy nectar wasn't for him.

Also apparently, the King problem was because of Denna too.

Man, if that fairy who secretly puts Kvothes dowsing rod in his boipussy, ever gets bis hands on Denna she dead. I'm sure he would see he is the reason for Kvothe's downfall, and you know he doesn't like anyone fucking with Kvothe's destiny.

Either way, if I'm alive when Rothfuss releases book 3(and he will, what he probably going to do is close plot holes with all those short stories he be writing), I'm getting it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 17:22:20 2015 No.7098391 >>7098331 He could pull a movie like thing and release the third book in multiple parts, like "Day Three: Part One", "Part Two",... or something

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 17:44:53 2015 No.7098462 >>7098224 >book just dumps all info on you towards the end this is considered a good thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:19:51 2015 No.7098580 >>7098255 >a book can only be inspired by one other book

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:23:02 2015 No.7098596 >>7098462 Did I say dump or explained? Things that didn't make sense at the time reveals itself in the end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:24:15 2015 No.7098599 Just started Book of the Long Son today, got a feeling it's gonna be even weirder than New Sun And I'm okay with that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:26:02 2015 No.7098608 http://www.bestfantasybookshq.com/best-fantasy-fiction-characters/ There's a poll on the best fantasy characters. I went with Severian, Geralt De Rivia, and everyone's favorite, Steerpike.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:26:54 2015 No.7098615 >>7098599 >Long Son kek, mean Long Sun

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:29:21 2015 No.7098624 >>7098615 >Sonne You were still wrong.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:29:24 2015 No.7098625

>>7098462
Malazan geeks are the worst used car salesmen in all of fantasy fandom jesus christ

>hurrrr this series becomes awesome by the end you've just gotta soldier through TEN THOUSAND FUCKING PAGES FIRST

Or, you could read the entire Fantasy Masterworks series instead for fucks sake!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:30:34 2015 No.7098630 >>7098624 What?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 18:41:43 2015 No.7098667 >>7098625 Well page number isn't the best indicator. I could read 1200 pages of Warhammer much faster than I can read 400 pages of Kant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:19:38 2015 No.7098786 >>7098615 >Long Son Just like in New Sun, the Sun/Son pun applies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:22:35 2015 No.7098802 >>7098608 All S's for me. Sam Vimes, Severian and Stannis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:24:34 2015 No.7098810 File: 15 KB, 182x277, deltora.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nostalgia-gasm

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:26:52 2015 No.7098827 >>7098247 1. Yes, I am reading them. They aren't very good, but sometimes they have their moments. 2. It's the legit cover.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:27:28 2015 No.7098831 >>7098810 That and this got my children into reading. Plus I love em too.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 19:47:47 2015 No.7098911 >>7098608 >tfw i know New sun and witcher, but not steerpike

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:02:51 2015 No.7099184
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>>7098911

At least we can all agree Severian should be on there, but are our voices to be drowned by dilute lit fandom? He's not even top ten!

I say there is only one truth in the universe, and it is the truth that we damn well decide!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:18:17 2015 No.7099258 >>7099184 >Shannara >Broken Empire >Kingkiller >Forgotten Realms >Dresden Files >Stormlight Archive Fantasy fans are garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:36:54 2015 No.7099335 >>7098786 But how would Long and Short apply to a man?

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 21:49:31 2015 No.7099400

>>7099335
Not that guy but I saw it as a double pun. The sun in the Whorl of Long Sun is actually sort of a huge fluorescent tube. So a long sun.
The sun in short sun is a round circle... so short sun.
The above is actually mentioned in the text.

Now, to the son/sun pun, maybe the height of both main characters differs greatly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 22:37:44 2015 No.7099607 File: 193 KB, 1357x2048, WoR_FASHION-AZIR_v02_fmt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7099184 I wonder if Kaladin is gonna fuck things up again in SA3. Goddammit I want to see him get to Braize already.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 22:52:04 2015 No.7099661 >>7099607 Who cares Sanderson is reddit: the author.

Anonymous Thu Sep 10 23:46:08 2015 No.7099785
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What are some good SF&F books with gay characters? I bought this based on it's goodreads reviews and it's like 80% porn. I don't know if it's straight female readers vs. actual gay readers thing, but I need more than that. What do you guys recommend? I've already ordered The Steel Remains.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 00:24:46 2015 No.7099893 >>7099785 >I've already ordered The Steel Remains. Well I can't help you there. That is tne only fantasy book/series i know to avoid.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 01:06:53 2015 No.7100056

>>7099184

Why Gene Wolfe isn't mainstream is really weird. New Sun is most certainly on the same level as Blood Meridian. Right now I'm playing a malifaux rpg as a character that's more or less the Judge. So the Judge on Urth.

>>7099335
Silk is tall. Horn is short.

>>7099400
Pretty sure the long sun is a laser beam. The shade is a gas they blow over it, that evaporates at before it reaches the end. It starts at Engine, and ends at Mainframe, the shade is blown from Mainframe, so the Engine is hit by light all the time, its a desert.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 01:23:29 2015 No.7100109 >>7099785 The Copper Promise has a gay knight of sorts in it, and it isn't real a pivotal part of the ongoing plot it's more fantasy instead of gratuitous word porn

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 01:49:34 2015 No.7100189 >>7099785 Specifically gay men? Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand China Mountain Zhang Ring of Swords Swordspoint Vellum

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 02:03:38 2015 No.7100242

>>7100056
But it says right in chapter one that Horn is nearly tall as Silk, and Horn is still a boy

>With a slight shock of insight, Silk realized that this unaccustomed perpendicularity was in imitation of his own, and that Horn's clear, dark eyes were very nearly level with his.

Also, what was up with Marble saying 17 + 7 is 23?

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 02:07:18 2015 No.7100249

>>7097058
Apparently he wrote the original version of Legend in like a two week span, and it shows even though it probably went through a number of edits. I nearly dropped it at the whole instantly falling in love because its their destiny shit as well. Thankfully it seems to be getting a bit better. I could do without Rek though.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 02:38:25 2015 No.7100293

>>7099785
I can recommend Luck in the Shadows and its sequel Stalking Darkness by Lynn Flewelling. I genuinely enjoyed these as a non-gay reader. I bought the first book without knowing much about it. I was really enjoying it and was a bit surprised when there was a pretty big gay component all of a sudden (that wasn't common in the mid 90s when these came out), but it didn't detract from the story. Its first sequel was really entertaining too and was a decent ending as well. There are more sequels, but I haven't read those.

Another book that deals with gender-issues (not gay per se) is Pantomime by Laura Lam. I haven't read the sequel yet, but I really liked the first book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 02:54:07 2015 No.7100315 >>7100242 Not to give too much away, but Silk is taller than Horn. If anything just a little. Also, Long Sun is longer than Short Sun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:24:18 2015 No.7100376 >>7100056 Too religious, too complex, too demanding.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:33:45 2015 No.7100395 >>7100376 Its really a shame, his novels are just so cool. Urth is the most interesting fictional world ever created.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:38:48 2015 No.7100406 >>7100395 Yes, but it is fantasy which has a sort of stigma, fantasy readers read most fantasy so he is left with a relatively small group to read his books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:39:14 2015 No.7100407 >>7100056 Speaking as a casual reader I think Wolfe goes over most of our heads. I read Book of the New Sun and it was beautiful and I don't regret a word of it but I also don't have a fucking clue what happened in any of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:42:25 2015 No.7100412 >>7100407 God created evolution, evolution created God. The universe evolves like organisms. Severians has sex with his grandma.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:44:25 2015 No.7100418 File: 34 KB, 300x495, duncow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7098608 >http://www.bestfantasybookshq.com/best-fantasy-fiction-characters/ >no chaunticleer

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:45:51 2015 No.7100423 >>7100412 Not only sex, he "took" her. That was hot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:47:13 2015 No.7100426 >>7099607 I don't see that happening in 3 alone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:51:52 2015 No.7100430 >>7099785 The Left Hand of Darkness

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 03:52:09 2015 No.7100431 >>7100423 It was probably the only rape where the men thought it was but the women didn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 04:05:12 2015 No.7100454 >>7098608 Voting for my main boy, Fitz. Hard to decide between Severian, Geralt and Mat Cauthon and from there though.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 04:11:05 2015 No.7100464

>>7100412
Someone didn't get it. The main focus was Severian and his path from sin to redemption and how human nature doesn't change as man will always stay sinful, unless he gives himself to the Pancreator where he can find peace and meaning. Everything else is there to reinforce this, the idea that man is just a puppet, themes of free will, huge symbols of death and resurrection.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 04:20:39 2015 No.7100478
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>>7100426
Me either. Probably Book 5, maybe late Book 4. I suppose he won't fuck his ideals up again either but I wonder when he'll get his final power-up from the Third Ideal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 04:34:09 2015 No.7100496 >>7100464 Was his sin loving Thecla? And his redemption being the New Sun? But he was being crafted into the New Sun before he even met her, as he brought Triskele back to life, and met Valeria in the atrium

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 04:52:49 2015 No.7100524 >>7100496 His sin was many things and the redemption was internal, basically unrelated to becoming the New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:00:43 2015 No.7100538 >>7100524 I thought his sin was being human? That was the whole point to it being a recursive problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:10:28 2015 No.7100555 >>7100538 No, his sin wasn't being human. It was being manipulative, being a rapist, a murderer, assisting suicide, torturing people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:13:28 2015 No.7100563 Any /fun/ fantasy? Want some dungeon crawling and the likes. Not asking for literary, but I would want it to be well made.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:22:19 2015 No.7100573 >>7100563 Witcher was entertaining. Heard good things about Amber Chronicles and Connan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:26:10 2015 No.7100580 >>7100555 aka human.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 05:38:59 2015 No.7100596 >>7100580 Christ was human. And not all humans are that, our sins differ so it's Severian in particular. And the novel is much easier to understand in themes when seen through a lens of a Catholic worldview.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 07:18:00 2015 No.7100721 >>7098220 >Dhalgren Are you ready for gay sex and long discussions on what it means to be a writer? Don't get me wrong I loved both those things just sayin

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 07:31:07 2015 No.7100741 File: 125 KB, 313x475, 76171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reading this right now, man, I-330 is so sexy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 10:32:18 2015 No.7101158 >>7098608 Voted Roland Deschain, Victarion Greyjoy and Cnaiür urs Skiötha.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 10:33:37 2015 No.7101166 >>7099785 The Book of All Hours by Hal Duncan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 10:37:44 2015 No.7101180 >>7096686 >od Glad to hear it, anon. Id say I envy you getting you read that series for the first time, but I dont. Youre gonna finish it, love it, then youre gonna at some point read it again and love it even more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 10:50:22 2015 No.7101237 >>7098608 I voted for Steerpike, Severian and Roland Deschain.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 11:10:59 2015 No.7101318

>>7100721
Damn it. I'm not interested in reading any kind of sex scene, let alone gay sex. Anytime I come across them in sci-fi or fantasy books they don't add to the story or tell me about the characters; I just see the author as someone mashing their posable action figures together at his desk.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:00:21 2015 No.7101671 >>7099785 Adam Roberts, New Model Army. Narrator's gayness doesn't affect the story much unless there's something that went way over my head, but it's a perfect refutation of everything Cory Doctorow ever wrote.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:43:50 2015 No.7101840

>>7100563
Castalia House's Jeffro has been reviewing the novels in the original D&D Appendix N. All kinds of bizarre pre-Tolkien adventuring stuff. And he keeps his politics out of it for the most part.

http://www.castaliahouse.com/category/appendix-n/

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:43:59 2015 No.7101841

>>7100596
From Castle of the Otter:
>“It has been remarked thousands of times that Christ died under torture. Many of us have read so often that he was a “humble carpenter” that we feel a little surge of nausea on seeing the words yet again. But no one ever seems to notice that the instruments of torture were wood, nails, and a hammer; that the man who built the cross was undoubtedly a carpenter too; that the man who hammered in the nails was as much a carpenter as a soldier, as much a carpenter as a torturer. Very few seem even to have noticed that although Christ was a “humble carpenter,” the only object we are specifically told he made was not a table or a chair, but a whip.”

So maybe Wolfe is intending Original Sin. After all, it seemed to me like the Hieros dimmed the sun as punishment. Maybe because of Typhon, maybe because of humanity.
Though yeah, by his own admission Severian is not a good person.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:47:27 2015 No.7101862 >>7101841 I'm pretty sure the black hole in the sun was meant as a power source. Its explained that energy flows from one dimension to another. Someone is Abaddon is sucking the energy from the old sun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:47:40 2015 No.7101863 >>7100563 Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser >>7100573 Also good, but the Witcher is not really dungeon crawling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 13:49:37 2015 No.7101868 >>7101862 Oh damn, never thought of that. So the White Fountain is direct energy from Yesod, then? As far as I can tell, Abaddon is barely ever mentioned, and always seemed like a mystery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:07:42 2015 No.7101938 >>7101671 I'm curious, what has Cory Doctorow wrote? I haven't read him at all, but I have read New Model Army (Adam Roberts is kickass, by the way).

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:24:31 2015 No.7101986

>>7101938
He writes these ridiculously optimistic novels about how technology will make us all peaceful and accepting and licenses them in Creative Commons. Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, where reputation is money in a post-scarcity society; Little Brother, about a bunch of script kiddies that defeat the Patriot Act; Pirate Cinema, about a bunch of script kiddies that beat the DMCA; For The Win, about a bunch of script kiddies that organize a gold-farming labor union. Incredibly saccharine stuff.

And he is. NMA is my favorite, but Salt is the anti-Dispossessed and Stone is the anti-The Culture.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:26:03 2015 No.7101990

>>7101841
There is kind of an old testament feeling to it, I agree. Humanity became rotten and had to be cleansed for new generations to stay in the light of God.
But it's problem too in a sense that God promised never to flood it again, and we know Hierogrammates are basically archangels.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:34:34 2015 No.7102017

>>7101990
Well, there seemed to be an angelic hierarchy, which indeed is very Old Testament
Hierodules -> Hierogrammates -> Hieros
Though the only one we know of from the last is Tzadkiel, who is an actual angel (the angel that stopped Abraham from killing Isaac)

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:49:55 2015 No.7102065

>>7101868
"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Severian mentions the "Black Sun" during his battle with the Salamander. Perhaps that's a creature from the lower dimension.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 14:58:23 2015 No.7102118

>>7101986
Alright, thanks for the heads up.

I've read Adam Robots, Jack Glass, New Model Army, Salt, Stone, The Dragon with the Girl Tattoo and Yellow Blue Tibia. I'd say Jack Glass is my favourite.

It's weird how he is relatively unknown considering his output. KJP - another favourite - is the same, but at least he's getting name dropped more often these days.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:13:48 2015 No.7102181

>>7102118
Have you ever read John Barnes? I'm not sure why I link him with Roberts so strongly, but if you like one you'll probably like the other.

Don't know what KJP you're referring to.

>>7101990
>God promised never to flood it again
And Abaia and Erebus managed to flood themselves. We always find a way out of mercy.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:42:25 2015 No.7102308

>>7102181
No, I haven't. In fact, I don't remember even having heard of him. Thanks for the rec.

KJP is K. J. Parker. It was a comparison out of the blue, as they're not really similar, just that both are high quality authors with a large output, but still relatively unknown. He writes fantasy with a very low content of the fantastic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 15:53:03 2015 No.7102345 >>7102065 That creture can be found in TWK I believe. Cheeky play mister Wolfe. >>7102017 Hierodules are beneath Hierogrammates, Tzatkiel is a Grammate. And all are actual angles of lower rank, and mix tech and the supernatural very nicely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:11:14 2015 No.7102429 >>7096686 Everyone says its awesome. It just seems edgy as fuck to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:12:14 2015 No.7102434 >>7096197 swords againnst death is the best collection imo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:14:44 2015 No.7102448 How's Neil Gaiman?

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:25:49 2015 No.7102497

>>7102308
>It was a comparison out of the blue, as they're not really similar, just that both are high quality authors with a large output, but still relatively unknown.
That is exactly why I was comparing Roberts to Barnes. He writes a lot of near-future character-driven hard sf. My favorite Barnes is the Jak Jinnaka trilogy, which is a loving parody of the Heinlein juveniles.
>"Medieval America conquered a continent and gave us atomic bombs and reached the moon, then they freed the slaves and let women vote, and in no time at all they lost all their ambition and relied on the U.N. to protect them and got squished like bugs between the armies in the Quebec-Jamaica War."

>>7102448
Sandman hasn't aged well, Good Omens is excellent, Neverwhere is pretty good, Stardust was better as a movie, American Gods is overrated, the Graveyard Book is awesome. A few of his short stories are all right, but he just didn't get Narnia. I'm still mad.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:32:58 2015 No.7102523

>>7102429
I don't see a contradiction.
>Shirtless dude who can, like, paralyze you with his fingertips, and he has this huge sword and has sex with all the ladies and alzabos
>Well, not with Agia somehow
>Raises his grandma from the dead and takes her in a manly fashion
>In the process of learning the true power of Christ, the Eucharist, and divine hope, while traveling through mountains of obscure scriptural, literary, and OED references

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 16:58:41 2015 No.7102649 I like Thieves' world, Fafhrd and the grey mouser, Conan, BoTNS and KJ Parker's books What else should i read ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 17:18:07 2015 No.7102752 >>7102649 Borges if you liked Wolfe. Also his other influences such as Proust, Chesterton and sword and sorccery like Frietz Lieber and Conan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 17:20:52 2015 No.7102766 File: 65 KB, 400x489, high impact.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7102752 >Chesterton >mfw the man actually became Thursday >And Satan and Jesus are alter egos Deus Ex did almost as much for my education as Alpha Centauri.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 17:54:27 2015 No.7102980

>>7101990
>But it's problem too in a sense that God promised never to flood it again, and we know Hierogrammates are basically archangels.
I first read TBotNS thinking Urth was basically the Earth. The Apollo astronaut, the Gyoll being something like El rio de la plata (thus Ultan/Borges residing in Buenos Aires), the forests to the North something like the Amazon, the green moon as sole satellite to the planet, all seemed to point to that...
But some anon said in a previous thread that Wolfe explicitly made Urth a different planet (in Castle of Days I think), so that would mean there's no issue with the whole God flooding Earth again. It was slightly disappointing, but maybe someone can quote the actual text and I'll feel better.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 18:02:54 2015 No.7103021

>>7102980
He uses South American terms to make us think we're in South America, but later in BotNS he tells us the southern continent is an archipelago. Really, if so much time has passed that the sand in the desert comes from ground-down glass and human artifacts can be found in every strata then there has been enough time for the continents to have moved around, and probably to have been moved around.

And I didn't catch the mirror knight being an astronaut. Now I feel dumb again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 18:05:26 2015 No.7103032 >>7103021 But wasnt the archipelgo (I'm guessing you're talking about the Xanthic lands) Asia?

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 18:11:10 2015 No.7103062

>>7103032
>But of Ascia itself I had no idea. I did not know if it had great cities or none. I did not know if it was mountainous like the northern and eastern parts of our Commonwealth or as level as our pampas. I did have the impression (though I could not be sure it was correct) that it was a single land mass, and not a chain of islands like our south...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 18:12:58 2015 No.7103073 >>7103062 Although that could refer to something like the little rocks off of Tierra del Fuego, and they really don't cross oceans to get to other parts of their country much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:03:44 2015 No.7103291 >>7098608 Corwin, Croaker, and Fitz for me

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:10:14 2015 No.7103312

>>7103073
I think there was a Tierra del fuego reference somewhere else in Short Sun iirc, where some aborigins lit fires for the outsiders (sorry for the wrong names for both), and Horn sees the coastline all littered with small fires.

The fact that Wolfe uses pampa grass and mate (yerba mate) so freely were kinda funny. Even that chapter were he finds an old cot reeked of gaucho culture... His punny sense or humor sometimes gets the better of him.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:11:48 2015 No.7103317
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>>7102980
In the chapter The Key to the Universe its stated that the universe collapses and is reborn, a little different each time. So Urth is not our Earth, but it is Earth in another timeline. And just as easily the Apollo picture could have fallen back in time, just like how the Book fell back into our time.

>>7103062
My picture is of the Commonwealth. Its South America after the seas recede.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:17:11 2015 No.7103338 >>7103062 Ascia isn't Asia.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:27:16 2015 No.7103375

>>7103338
I wasn't saying it is, just that the Commonwealth might be a new continent altogether. Although if >>7103317 is accurate then those of us that got the mate references earlier can feel a little more clever about it.

When I was a missionary the Argentinians were like drug dealers with mate, because it wasn't officially off-limits. Never touched the stuff myself.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 19:56:46 2015 No.7103475

>>7103375
Why would a tea-like substance be illegal or forbidden in the work place? The main stimulant in it is caffeine, literally, but in such a low dosage it's nothing like a cup of coffee (must be 10 to 1 ratio). It's even tamer than regular tea.

I'm an argie myselft, but don't partake in the awfully dirty mate culture, which in some circles is almost ostracising. People here can actually drink 1-2 liters of semi boiling water in a day. They pee and crap like new age shamans. And mate cocido (the stuff they probably drink in the Solar Cycle) is just awful.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 20:04:55 2015 No.7103509

>>7103475
LDS missionaries. "Tea" is forbidden, but is mate really "tea?" Most of what I hated about it was, like you said, the dirty mate culture. Looking back, some of the guys might have had a real problem relaxing, and I could have had a little more charity for them. At least I got the reference in BotNS as soon as they started talking about drinking tea from a straw.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 20:24:32 2015 No.7103581 >>7103475 He a Mormon. Read a book.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 20:51:59 2015 No.7103679

>>7103581
Oh, right, that makes sense. It's just that mormonism is not that much of a deal here (I've only spoken irl twice with them), and there are so many different kinds of missionaries too that I failed to connect the dots.

>>7103509
Mate are the dried leaves of some subtropical tree mixed with some other stuff, drank in a tea-like infusion, only that the brewing is quicker (you pour water and drink after 30-120 seconds, unless you're making mate cocido, which needs a tea like brewing process of infusing, letting sit, etc.). As I said before, it's less 'strong' than tea, but people usually drink so much that maybe they're comparable. I know some tea varieties are supposed to induce relaxation or other effects, due to their ¿pseudoscience? properties, but people don't really drink mate to feel chilled. It's quite good at reducing your appetite and your anxiety, thus, many poor (starving poor) people drink it all day long, and that's all they'll have along with a few biscuits.

Tl;dr: your mormon fellows were cheating, but maybe it allowed them to blend better with the local populace.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 20:58:22 2015 No.7103701 >>7103679 No worries, I forget about the other missionaries sometimes myself. >maybe it allowed them to blend better with the local populace. We were in Las Vegas, that's the fun part.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 21:33:45 2015 No.7103832 What does /lit/ think about Will McIntosh's Soft Apocalypse? I just read and really liked it, although the ending disappointed me a bit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 21:45:21 2015 No.7103873 >>7098810 these were terrible though. Redwall is the same thing(a good series to get children into reading) but better and less formulaicly awful

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 21:57:05 2015 No.7103919 Any stories where the main character discovers he's a simply a virtual person in a virtual reality? Then tries to go outside to the "real" world to discover there is nothing? inb4 the matrix

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 11 22:01:08 2015 No.7103944 File: 117 KB, 389x640, TWRLDI1972.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyonee else other than me read this? What did you think of it? I thought it was 8/10, except for the overbearing amounts of sex.

Anonymous Fri Sep 11 22:14:37 2015 No.7104002
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has anyone ever read robert sheckley? his short stories are pretty sardonic, much like PKD's. not the best writer, and i think he knew it, but it's nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:32:40 2015 No.7104582 >>7103919 Semi related Try the quantum thief

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:48:38 2015 No.7104624 File: 649 KB, 1734x1146, kanojo_ga_flag_o_oraretara-44.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7103919

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 01:51:09 2015 No.7104632 >>7104002 That looks great, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 02:25:42 2015 No.7104753 >>7103919 Simulacron-3 by Daniel F. Galouye

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 03:31:35 2015 No.7104923 File: 428 KB, 791x1200, twok_ephemera-4_relief-webres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7104753 >tfw watched Thirteenth Floor a few hours ago

Anonymous Sat Sep 12 03:56:25 2015 No.7104986

>>7104624
>boy meets girl
>boy met by girl
>boy met by girl
>boy met by girly boy
>boy met by girl
>boy met by girl
>accumulates a massive harem
>discovers that his world is a simulation and the real world is hell
>forced to battle endlessly, meaninglessly
>Nanami is bestest

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 06:45:02 2015 No.7105260 anime filth get out GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 13:15:35 2015 No.7106113 >>7104624 Am I gay if I find that attractive and would fuck even if they had a dick? I wouldn't undress them, I just want a passage to the hole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 15:13:57 2015 No.7106441 Anyone ever finish the Dread Empire series? I've heard good things about it, but at book 3, all I've seen so far leaves a lot to be desired.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 20:16:04 2015 No.7107348 Pick my next read /lit/ - http://strawpoll.me/5471172

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 20:34:07 2015 No.7107402 >>7107348 >http://strawpoll.me/5471172 I voted for Way of Kings because it's not the most amazing fantasy book every but it's still fun and if you listen to these faggots you'll end up shunning everything except a few ancient epics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 22:08:02 2015 No.7107672 I just finished Rendezvous with Rama yesterday, and I really liked it. I'm about to start reading the the fourth novel in the Dark Tower series.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 22:13:20 2015 No.7107688 >>7097493 I think I started to actually enjoy that book halfway through. By the end of it I had a greater appreciation for it than I did in the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 22:39:41 2015 No.7107778 >>7102649 Nothing, you've finished.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 12 23:45:21 2015 No.7108003 Who are some qt sff Booktuber girls?

Anonymous Sun Sep 13 00:01:04 2015 No.7108064

So I just finished The Knight, it's my first experience with Wolfe

I'm not really entirely sure how I feel about it. The writing was fantastic and it was "fun" but the story and MC (or specifically how he acted) were obviously kinda silly. Also I couldn't help but feeling like I was missing references constantly. I mean I've felt that sort of thing before while reading but never to this degree, it feels like every other line this guy writes is filled with some second meaning I should be getting if I wasn't such a dumb uncultured retard. Kinda starts to wear you down after awhile. I will say I definitely feel like I'm going to need to read it another time to truly get everything.

I'm left a bit underwhelmed, I suppose is the word, considering he's made up to be the god of the genre and my expectations were incredibly high. But I might feel differently after finishing The Wizard and the Sun books are mostly what people talk about anyway so I'll withhold judgement for awhile

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 00:40:38 2015 No.7108207 >>7108064 You've figured out what makes Wolfe great. You won't get everything on the first reading, but it makes the second reading even richer. Once you start to see the deeper meaning of his passages, then it will click.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 02:44:41 2015 No.7108510 Help me lads. I want to have September be fantasy themed but all I want to do is reread the ASOIAF series again. Convince me to read something new pLEASE

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 03:10:32 2015 No.7108548 >>7108064 It's obviously intentionally silly or if you put it otherwise altruistic and idealistic. I'm quite sure it's a recreation of knight novels for kids, light hearted with good natured characters. Tolkienesque in that manner.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 07:00:31 2015 No.7108994 >>7108510 Read ASOIAF again then, get it out of your system.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 10:02:02 2015 No.7109313 >>7102497 Out of curiosity, why hasn't Sandman aged well?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 10:04:46 2015 No.7109323 >>7104002 I spotted that in Waterstones only yesterday. He's on my to-read list. Would you recommend him?

Anonymous Sun Sep 13 11:40:10 2015 No.7109598

>>7100407
>I read Book of the New Sun and it was beautiful and I don't regret a word of it but I also don't have a fucking clue what happened in any of it.

You pretty much have to read it more than once. I read the first four books twice before moving onto the coda and Long Sun. Later on, you can read some commentary and discuss it with others to get all the other tidbits, jokes, and references you'll miss.

The books are thick, solid, tight. Packed with stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 14:30:25 2015 No.7110144 >>7109598 Picked up. Detail-rich books are fun. I thought twok was pretty good at that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 16:07:48 2015 No.7110504 >>7108625 If I really liked Thief of Time but really disliked The Color of Magic, which other books might I like? The chart concentrates on common themes, which I don't care for as much as writing style and plot complexity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 16:14:16 2015 No.7110533 >>7110504 Probably any novels, say, after Sourcery maybe. Thief Of Time is the 26th released Discworld novel, while The Color Of Magic is the first. So probably, the later the novel is released, to some extent, the more likely you might like it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 13 17:01:43 2015 No.7110766

>>7110504

Pratchett admitted the first few novels were rather weak, as a result of him being a much less accomplished author who had not fully found his own voice or nailed down the style of Discworld.

I've found a lot of them are readable without following the series. I'd recommend Small Gods, Hogfather, The Truth and Going Postal. They're al good works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 17:25:42 2015 No.7110895 File: 39 KB, 243x400, LeMessieDeDune.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7095541 >>7095454 Not enough cheasecake covers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 22:55:37 2015 No.7112481 Are there any writers who did what Tolkien did with Northern Euopean folklore and language but with other cultures?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:48:31 2015 No.7113475 I figure this is the best thread to ask since most of my current novels are SF. Which should I read next? >The Dispossessed >Canticle for Leibowitz >The Picture of Dorian Gray >Gardens of the Moon >Thief of Time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:09:39 2015 No.7113517 >>7112935 Chickened out on the WoT ending, tbh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:10:05 2015 No.7113518 >>7113475 Read first three in the posted order and don't read the last two at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:12:25 2015 No.7113523 >>7108625 I've randomly read the following, without caring what comes first: >Small Gods >Night Watch >Going Postal >Making Money >Thief of Time >Soul Music >Hogfather >Guards, Guards! >Mort >The Color of Magic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:17:07 2015 No.7113536 >>7112935 who the fuck is that nerd? and who gives a shit about "getting published"? I'll keep my draining, shitty job as a wall-street speech writer before I write some wal-greens sci fi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:20:49 2015 No.7113544 File: 34 KB, 400x400, Low-Town_HC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7095454 Almost finished the 3rd (and last) book of the Low Town series. And this shit is great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:52:43 2015 No.7113597 >>7112935 >acting like getting published in Fantasy is hard If all you have to do is be as good or better than reddit trash like Sanderson, Scalzi or Rothfuss then the bar is pretty low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:58:48 2015 No.7113609 >>7113597 I like all of these authors, yet I dont recall reading any of your books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:00:38 2015 No.7113614 >>7113536 >Sanderson >sci-fi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:16:46 2015 No.7113658 >>7113609 Because I didn't write any dear plebbitor

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:21:22 2015 No.7113660 File: 25 KB, 374x598, bgplntmfls1977.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is there any sci-fi where humans invented space travel ages ago (like ancient mayans or whatever) and they are fucking hanging out in space or

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:28:15 2015 No.7113674
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has anyone read "a canticle for leibowitz" here? if so, thoughts?

>>7109323
sure; his stories are slightly aphoristic and entertaining, kind of like the twilight zone. it's not the best example of the genre, but it's better than cheap pulp.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:36:14 2015 No.7113695

>>7113674
I have. It's not a bad book, it has a well written story and does try to convey a meaningful message, but is no masterpiece. I liked it, had fun and would liked if he had written more. Worth a read and in context of sf fantasy in the top 50 novels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:43:03 2015 No.7113708 >>7113695 thanks, i'm ~60 pages in and getting the sense that his prose is crippled by too much self-awareness (i.e. "i am an author writing a narrative"). however, the plot is an interesting concept, so i'm excited to see where he'll take it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:52:04 2015 No.7113719 >>7113708 Catholicism goes to space

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:10:13 2015 No.7113755 >>7113518 What's wrong with the other two? I'd heard good things from people, /lit/ included. And don't say it's Reddit-tier trash or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:29:09 2015 No.7113779 >>7113755 They are a mix of trash tier shounen anime and dnd with awful exposition and caricature characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:03:45 2015 No.7114584 >>7113779 >Thief of Time >DnD How so?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:10:16 2015 No.7114769

Does anyone know of any surreal or psychedelic sci fi? I know BoTNS has a dream-like quality to it, and I'm working through it now, but is there anything else? Outside of the genre, I mean things like Burroughs and a lot of the other Beats, Hunter Thompson, and even a lot of parts from Pynchon and Bret Easton Ellis. Is there anyone doing anything like that in fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:24:37 2015 No.7114820 >>7114769 Philip K Dick

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:48:31 2015 No.7114901

>>7095757
>Used to be Anita Blake, not sure now.
I've never read the books myself, just heard from a few people that the books turned her from an interesting necromancer urban fantasy heroine into a vampire-cum guzzling, professional bukkake victim. That accurate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:16:50 2015 No.7115033 >>7114584 I think he was talking about Malazan

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:17:50 2015 No.7115040 >>7113609 Cuz I havent written anything yet lel

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:18:54 2015 No.7115042 >>7113614 He treats the Fantasy genre like Sci-Fi with his retarded laws.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:29:29 2015 No.7115075 >>7113597 >I'm angry about talented people's success because I don't have any.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:41:12 2015 No.7115109 Hello Can someone recommend where to start with Lem? besides Solaris that is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:45:50 2015 No.7115127 >>7108064 Obviously you need to stop being a dumb uncultured retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:47:44 2015 No.7115134 >>7115075 Great argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:48:37 2015 No.7115137 >>7115109 The Invincible is pretty short and up there with Solaris. Otherwise The Cyberiad is a good one as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:35:56 2015 No.7115463 >>7115042 Okay. Doesn't make it sci-fi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:46:21 2015 No.7115500 >>7115463 Sf/fantasy is really a weak division. It's sf fantasy, there is little thematic difference.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:39:12 2015 No.7115969

>>7113674
It's a great book, one that blends many of my favorite themes and symbols under a humanistic view.
The fact that even amidst disaster and chaos there's people concerned with what will happen in the far away future has always been kind of inspiring to me. It has even made me think of becoming a librarian, no matter how a dead-end of a job that might be in current times.

You could see it as a more down-to-earth version of Brave New World, the link with so many historical events much stronger. The fact that it starts like a novel about novels was particularly nice, simply my cup of tea. The Latin reminded me of one of the priests in my school who used to scold us with biblical nonsense. I had read so many books about young monks and the like when I was a kid that everything was very familiar with this book. I've grown into a fedora tipping atheist ofc, hehehe
(j/k)

Some people seem to like other Sf novels more, even when Bradbury and other staples were just as concise as Miller. Maybe it's the heavy Catholicism, which average America is utterly ignorant of.
It's also cleverly constructed, something I particularly enjoy unraveling, just like anybody who also enjoys Wolfe.

I know there's some sort of "sequel" but I've no idea how good it is.

>>7113708
Yeah, well, maybe you're liking the barrenness of the post apocalyptic setting. The three sections are not exactly similar, but many of its themes are recurring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:43:31 2015 No.7115998 Is goblin emperor any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:17:52 2015 No.7116409 I've heard it's pretty good, but I absolutely refuse to read it because there's an airship on the cover. I am so fucking done with steampunk/victorian fantasy/scifi

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:44:45 2015 No.7116780

>>7113674

A thoroughly enjoyable book when I was a youngster. The setting is fantastic, and the cyclical view of society is par excellence. As far as the moral message, however, I do not believe the author really makes his case against euthanasia. I do respect the fact that he took up the controversy, though, as it is no easy task.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:32:09 2015 No.7116951 File: 79 KB, 292x475, shadowkeep.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just started this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:33:13 2015 No.7116954 File: 332 KB, 920x1386, AATE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:54:20 2015 No.7117038 >>7116954 Is this worth getting into? I found the main character to be an insufferable dick and not in the enjoyable to read kind way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:59:30 2015 No.7117057 File: 799 KB, 1600x2228, night_land__house_of_silence_by_taisteng-d4chq4i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does anybody here like The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:16:18 2015 No.7117095

>>7117038
I'd heartily recommend the first and second chronicles. The last chronicles he didn't start writing until 20 years after the second, and there's a marked shift in tone and a lot more introspection and less action. It does continue the story though. I'm saving the last (10th) book the same way I'd save my last hit of weed.
Yeah the main character is a dick, but it goes hand in hand with the story. Imho it's the best fantasy series I've read after ASOIAF.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:57:01 2015 No.7117267

Is Riftwar worth reading at all? I've had Magician, the first book, sitting on my shelf for ages. Been trying to get around to reading all the "entry level" fantasy I never read when I was younger, but I never realized Magician was part of some larger series. Apparently it spans like 30 books at this point. I'd probably just read the original trilogy if it's any good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:05:56 2015 No.7117301 >>7115998 SJW shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 05:29:09 2015 No.7117813 >>7117267 i literally just finished this series last week, i enjoyed all except 3 books that are about some woman on keliwan. the ending of the last book was a nice ending to the series

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:25:10 2015 No.7117907 >>7113660 OR WHAT???? OR WHAT ANON???????

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:34:25 2015 No.7117924 Anything with well done Metaphysics and mysticism as good part of what composes the book? Or acts in the background? (like CHIM/Godhead in Morrowind)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:35:33 2015 No.7117925 >>7117924 Some people get really into the metaphysics of Bakker's 2nd apocalypse books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 07:04:01 2015 No.7117971 >>7117924 Silmarillion and Book of the New Sun as well as Wizard Knight, respectively. All have larger meta narratives going on in the background and lots of gods playing around with things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 07:05:52 2015 No.7117976 >>7099785 Dune has an overweight homosexual pedophile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 07:40:59 2015 No.7118020 >>7117924 Prince of Nothing series

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 08:26:37 2015 No.7118136 File: 489 KB, 1568x1200, mb01_city_map-webres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I see that the Dying Earth books are more of a collection of stories; do the stories in each book need to be read in any specific order?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 09:31:43 2015 No.7118342 >>7118020 So little information in the first book, really a bit of a drag to get into IMO.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 09:36:54 2015 No.7118355
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I just started reading the Horus Heresy series since I'm a big fan of the Warhammer universe.
So far I read the first 5 chapters and so far it's really good.
If anyone has read it, how's the overall series? Is it worth reading through the end?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 10:07:00 2015 No.7118430

>>7117267
The Serpentwar sag/quartet is the best, but everything written before that ranges from great to decent.

It's all continuous, characters from earlier books stick around, but you could read the serpentwar saga alone.

Then talon of a silver hawk trilogy is just a shitty count of monte cristo all mixed around, and all the rest are utterly without merit and shit on his own power levels etc.

>>7117813
Servant of the Empire and the other two are some of the better books, how can you like the later Feist books more?

>>7117038
I read it all once I started, but fuck me if it isn't just plot armor and the power of love and repetition the whole way through. He's done a few short stories though, they're great.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 10:11:05 2015 No.7118438

>>7118355
It's written by a number of authors, most of which are incapable of writing a single good sentence. First trilogy is solid. McNeil is a hit or miss writer, Dembeski Bowen and Abnett are solid, everyone else is unreadable even in the context of >genre fiction.
I'd recommend the following and others may want to add 2-3 more:
First three novels
Legion
First Heretic
Aurelian
Know No Fear
The Betrayer
Unremembered Empire

Read them in this order as they are linked in the overall story.
I've heard A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns are good, but haven't read them yet.
Also are they still writing these? There hasn't been anything in a while.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 10:25:27 2015 No.7118474

>>7118438
So if I skip around and read different books out of order does it do any significant impact?
Do the books follow a certain timeline in a way that I'll miss a couple of things if I do?
I also heard Fulgrim was good, how was that one?

>Also are they still writing these? There hasn't been anything in a while.
I honestly don't know.
I just thought I should finally start reading some Warhammer novels since I love the universe so much.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 10:51:15 2015 No.7118529

>>7108064
Wolfe's protagonists and their narration are difficult to get used to, but they lend to the dreamlike quality his novels have.

>he's made up to be the god of the genre
It's mainly /lit/ running the Wolfe meme into the ground. Most people are on the fence about him, but those who like him REALLY like him. I actually started off disliking his writing, but now he's one of my favorite authors after /lit/ bullied me into rereading Book of the New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:00:28 2015 No.7118560 >>7108064 The Knight is for young teens. It's a coming of age books. Read Latro in the Mist for some real naughty shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:11:12 2015 No.7118595 >>7108064 >Also I couldn't help but feeling like I was missing references constantly. You are. 'Wizard/Knight' is based off the New Testament in weird ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:11:20 2015 No.7118596 File: 7 KB, 231x218, 1442323609524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7118560 >still can't tell if Latro fucked the trap or not

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:24:24 2015 No.7118648 File: 89 KB, 1600x675, solaris-ocean.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is Solaris the best scifi novel I've ever read?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:28:58 2015 No.7118657

has /lit/ read "the chronicles of thomas covenant"? i remember my dad reading "lord foul's bane" to me when i was a child. worth re-discovering?

>>7115969
i've since finished the book—i found it interesting how the narrative style (which was the one caveat i had about the first part) reflected the setting; that is, the passages set in the wasteland were usually flailing to describe each portion of it, while his dialogue and human-related prose was much more captivating.

the strong roots to catholicism is what set the idea apart from other post-apocalyptic novels, in my mind. however, i respect miller in that it would have been easy to use it as a gimmick, yet it's clear that he integrated the thematic structure into his prose so that it was evident it wasn't "catholics + nuclear holocaust = my new best-seller".

i don't have much else to say, the real test is how i carry the story around with me the next few days.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:40:47 2015 No.7118700 >>7118648 Probably because ot's the best scifi novel.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:00:54 2015 No.7118754

>>7118474
You can jump around as much as you like if you know the overall story. Fulgrim I haven't read, have heard mixed impressions.
Heard rumors about an upcoming Dark Angels novel which I'm hyped for as they are my fam. Abnett is supposedly the author as previously it got the worst treatment.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:03:26 2015 No.7118757

>>7117038
>>7118657
The First and Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant are both excellent, and remain in my personal top 3. I wasn't too taken in with the Last Chronicles, sadly.

Donaldson in general is one of my favourites. The Gap Cycle and Mordant's Need are both well worth reading, and I remember his short stories were quite good (it's been years and years since I last read them).

>>7118136
I'm not sure I quite follow you, but the stories within the individual books are all in the order they're supposed to be read.

Animal Brollective !!nMR3UaudcIW Tue Sep 15 12:05:37 2015 No.7118760

What is the best single book story I should read if I want to branch from Tolkien in fantasy?

>>7095454
>What Fantasy and Sci-Fi are you reading right now?
Just picked up Starship Troopers, first time reading it.
>Who is your favorite female hero in Science fiction and Fantasy?
The Darell girls from Foundation I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:33:38 2015 No.7118832 >>7118760 Depends. Do you care about length or story being compact? Or is it important that a work wasn't published in more than one volume?

>>	Animal Brollective !!nMR3UaudcIW Tue Sep 15 12:35:52 2015 No.7118835 >>7118832 I just want to avoid series or trilogies because I always take more time to read those, it seems most fantasy writers can't start and end a plot on a single book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 14:09:28 2015 No.7119175 >>7118835 Well it's just a publishing method. Brothers Karamazov, War and Peace and similar larger novels were originally published like this too. I don't have shorter fantasy, but Dick is great short sf if you are interested.

Animal Brollective !!nMR3UaudcIW Tue Sep 15 14:12:43 2015 No.7119186

>>7119175
Yeah I'm familiarized with his works, you could say I'm all over his dick (kek)

>Brothers Karamazov, War and Peace and similar larger novels were originally published like this too.
But it was more like a serialized version on bigger publications, am I right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 14:30:09 2015 No.7119260 >>7119186 It was basically the same. Fitting 1600 pages into one volume is more complicated then 3 550 volumes, hence New Sun or Lotr are in 3-4 volumes, when they actually just form one cohesive story.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 19:29:01 2015 No.7120196

>>7117925

Don't listen to this anon.

The 2nd apocalypse books are only a step above most standard S&S/epic fantasy books. I went into it expecting some great metaphysical series in vein of BotNS and came out incredibly disappointed.

It's a fun read and DOES have some philosophical points but it basically boils down to MUH NIETZSCHE! MUH OVERMAN! MUCH MACHIVELLI! Bakker is also really heavy handed with it and it becomes a little stale towards the middle of the series.

The best character was Cnair, the Conan wannabe.

It's a fun series, better than anything you'll get out of people like GURRM, Jordan, et al. But it's nowhere near /lit/ approved sff.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 20:26:45 2015 No.7120503
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I'm around 150 pages into pic related, and I can't really get into it. Am I missing something? It seems like he's just trying to put as many fantasy-y words into the book as possible, with as many factions as possible. I mean, I can't even be bothered trying to pronounce 90% of the fucking names, and I've resorted to calling that mage protagonist Archy instead of his actual name.

None of the characters seem interesting, and while I understand that some faggot has declared a Holy War, I barely know what that even means.

Does it get better? I enjoy fantasy, and I've seen this recommended, but so far I'm not impressed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 23:06:20 2015 No.7121108 File: 52 KB, 320x475, Wizard's_First_Rule.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I read this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 23:09:42 2015 No.7121119 >>7121108 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 23:11:01 2015 No.7121121 >>7121119 ok. thanks fam

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 00:32:42 2015 No.7121362 >>7117057 Haven't read it but I plan to since I enjoyed House on the Borderland

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 01:55:36 2015 No.7121543 >>7114901 Yea accurate, that is why I dropped it. If you are going to read it , stop ar Obsidian Butterfly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:48:14 2015 No.7121678 >>7114901 >Tfw I instantly added this to my toread list because of that description Jesus christ Im pathetic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:01:27 2015 No.7121701 >>7114901 >a vampire-cum guzzling, professional bukkake victim. Lol cliffnotes?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:14:11 2015 No.7121981

what is some good sci fi you recommend, im looking for the following:

-Alternate history about the space race
-Extremely hard space operas wich aim for realism
-Modern things i may like if i read heinlein clarke and asimov
-Anything involving realistic space flight

Bonus point for:
-Not being shitty economical liberalism propaganda
-Portraying a revolution
-Being shitty communist propaganda
-Reasonably in depth description of nuclear or fusion propulsion systems
-Stories in which earth is a dictatorship and the other planets are the rebels

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:22:34 2015 No.7121992
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>>7121981
>Alternate history about the space race
Stephen Baxter, Voyage
>Extremely hard space operas wich aim for realism
John C. Wright, Count to Infinity
>Modern things i may like if i read heinlein clarke and asimov
Martian Successor Nadesico
>Anything involving realistic space flight
Larry and Jerry, Footfall. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:27:03 2015 No.7121998 >>7121981 Go back to your shitty thread >>7121863

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:27:41 2015 No.7122000 >>7121998 on it they told me to come here so shushs you inferiorite

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:29:31 2015 No.7122003 >>7121992 is that an orion spacecraft with space shuttles atached?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:38:53 2015 No.7122011 File: 2.85 MB, 3785x4700, 1440365206993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7122003 It is an Orion space battleship with space shuttles attached, yes. They have missile launchers in their cargo bays.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:54:24 2015 No.7122029 >>7108064 finish the second book

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:15:07 2015 No.7122060 >>7120503 I love it but it's not for everyone.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:46:10 2015 No.7122110

>>7120503
I'm only a 100 pages or so in, but I have similar feelings. Lots of things are left a bit too vague. I don't mind not being spoonfed everything, but a little more background information would be appreciated. There's a list of characters and factions in the back which helps a bit, but I'd prefer if some things were explained more in the beginning of the book.

There were definitely sections that were interesting to me, but those were more the interactions between the characters, not the (faction) name dropping that occurs way too frequently.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:17:28 2015 No.7122166 >>7122110 It seems he tried to go Tolkien-level with the scope, and Tolkien does intentionally keep the reader in the dark, but not like this. This is just silly.

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Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:43:48 2015 No.7122226

>>7122166
I read TLoTR as a kid, but I never felt as if I couldn't grasp what was going on. Sure, sometimes things you didn't know about yet were referred to, but they added to the sense of mystery and adventure, they didn't leave me baffled.

With this book, at least in the beginning, I'm often wandering what the hell people are talking about. Things like Golgotterath, Inrithi and Sranc are just thrown around in the beginning, without explanation. And not in a fun way.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:56:51 2015 No.7122242
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>>7118757
>the stories within the individual books are all in the order they're supposed to be read.
Yep, that's what I was asking. Sorry if it came off confusing. Thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:05:25 2015 No.7122251 >>7121981 Rendezvous with Rama The Quantum Thief Seveneves

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:09:18 2015 No.7122257 >>7122110 It's just like Malazan Malazan book of the fallen, it all makes sense in the end. If you want everything explained as soon as it is mentioned, those books are not for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:13:05 2015 No.7122263 which fantasy books have the hottest guys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:17:42 2015 No.7122272 >>7122257 Malazan is unreasonably long though, and seems impossible to get into unless you have an entire summer without plans. If the same is true for this series, then I think I'll just start The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant instead

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:01:44 2015 No.7122393 >>7122263 Any paranormal romance

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:01:58 2015 No.7122394 >>7122272 Prince of Nothing isn't that complex. I'm not sure why you're having difficulty with it tbh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:03:55 2015 No.7122396 >>7122272 Get the audiobooks, I only have two more books in the Malazan series, and I'm a wageslave. If I can do it, so can you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:31:34 2015 No.7122452 >>7122394 It's not complex, it's just that you're kept in the dark a lot at the start, which isn't necessarily fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:51:27 2015 No.7122491 >>7122452 >you're kept in the dark a lot at the start It's the darkness that comes before.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:10:53 2015 No.7122676
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Does anyone here have a clean copy of Childhood's End? I've gone through 20 files from libgen and they all have the same fucking typos. My autism does not permit this.
>inb4 just buy it

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:46:53 2015 No.7122778

>>7122110
>>7122226
I was never bothered by it, but yours is not an uncommon complaint. Many people have complained about the names, the umlauts, etc.

The first half of TDtCB is also admittedly slow paced and without much exposition. The book kicks up when you meet with Cnaiür, and especially when he meets Kellhus

>>7122242
No problem, man. Have fun with the stories. Cugel is the GOAT rogue.

>>	The cats Wed Sep 16 11:54:09 2015 No.7122811 >>7122676 >people who read sci-fi totally aren't autistic NEETs guize

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:11:22 2015 No.7123057 >>7121108 1&2 were good 3 was alright 4 was bad Dropped 5 about 2 chapters in, never finished the series

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:46:00 2015 No.7123168 >>7121108 I can't recommend the whole series (even though I read it) but the first 3 books are great

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:53:04 2015 No.7123192 >>7120503 It took me two goes to read it. Very confusing at first, but trust me it's worth it in the end. Best epic fantasy going around by far today.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:07:05 2015 No.7123233

>>7123057
I genuinely liked 1 through 5, enjoyed 6 although it was a lot like the Fountainheid, thought 7 and 8 were a bit too slow and preachy. Haven't read Chainfire, Phantom and Confessor because they weren't out when I finished book 8. And then I first wanted to reread the entire series before reading the final three, but haven't come around to it yet.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:12:18 2015 No.7123247

>>7123192
How far did you get the first time? And did you approach it differently the second time through? I'm not going to give up on it, but it's less accessible than it should be, imo. Looking forward to it paying off though :) Guess it's Malazan after that ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:36:24 2015 No.7123331 >>7121108 Word of advice. If the Author's name contains Terry anywhere , do not read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:43:18 2015 No.7123359 >>7123192 Did you get hard when the emperor wanted to fuck his mom, no when he begged her for the vag. Did it also make you a degenerate when you found out our hand scarred brother was fucking poop chutes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:04:31 2015 No.7123914 >>7122811 I don't think it's such a great demand to have your books in high quality, even for a pirate. Some errors can legit cause confusion in the wrong places, too.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:19:21 2015 No.7123976

>>7118342
Idk, I liked how the battle scenes were kind of Crusadic in nature, but also highly unpredictable due to small changes in thr many factors, a lot like the neck breaking pace of the Wizard/Knight.

There were too many Povs, maybe, so the lack of information does indeed take something out of the first book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:47:04 2015 No.7124068 Does Long Sun get any better? About 3/4 done with Nightside, and it feels less in depth than New Sun, and the story seems to not be much of anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:13:21 2015 No.7124180 >>7124068 It's pretty consistent with a few memorable scenes. Not as good as New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:21:32 2015 No.7124214 >>7124180 How about Short Sun? Heard a few times it's on the level of New Sun

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:24:52 2015 No.7124235

>>7124068
>and it feels less in depth than New Sun
different narrative voice (1st person vs 3rd omniscient)
>and the story seems to not be much of anything.
I'm not sure how far into the plot 3/4's of Nightside is, but the story does get better -more action- and much more complex.

It would help if you knew a little of Roman religion, Gnosticism imagery, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:34:32 2015 No.7124275 >>7124235 Just so long as it turns into something....more. A priest sneaking into a house and then performing an exorcism seems commonplace compared to the weird shit happening in New Sun. I miss the surreal atmosphere, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:38:27 2015 No.7124293 >>7124214 Short Sun is Wolfe's real masterpiece. Its one of the most emotional experiences I've ever had.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:00:37 2015 No.7124380

>>7124275
>I miss the surreal atmosphere, I suppose.
Well, a big part of that is played out thanks to Severian's own ignorance of the large and weird world he's surrounded with.

The Whorl, or rather, Viron, is more accessible, and Patera Silk is slightly less ignorant to the shit that's goin' on. He see's a talking glass and is only slightly disoriented by it. He can connect the dots between what Sacred Windows are and what the glasses do.
Severian probably would have devoted a whole chapter to the 'lady in the glass', remarking on her oracular powers (i.e., powerful AI), her long sable hair (i.e., plastic cables), the sheen on her face (i.e., a glass screen), the rich emotion to her voice (i.e., speech patterns in AI), etc.

In the end, both characters are rather clueless, of course, but one can deal better with his environment. The epic part of saving Urth and bringing the New Sun is more external and flashy than the inner changes in Silk's mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:58:51 2015 No.7124585 >>7122676 >another book by an atheist where something as small as the appearance of aliens causes all humanity to lose all religious faith >ever clean

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:01:50 2015 No.7124598 >>7095454 Is Warhammer 40k science-fiction?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:16:18 2015 No.7124641

>>7124380
I believe the real strength of Long Sun, compared to New Sun and frankly most novels, is the characters. Every character, even ones that show up for a chapter, is a real person, completely unique. I want to know more about the characters because of how interesting their mundanity is. The plot is just 1890's Chicago with robots (not to say there weren't robots in 1890's Chicago), but its how random and real all the people in the story that make it a great book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:31:12 2015 No.7124699 File: 686 KB, 1024x1018, fantasy writers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:33:27 2015 No.7124705 >>7124699 Lol, fantasy is only literature when rich people write it. Tell that to a working man like Wolfe.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:36:21 2015 No.7125349

Reading "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" by Tad Williams.

>it's an Utuk'ku segment
>it's an Ingen Jegger segment
>it's a Miriamele segment
>it's a Tiamik segment
>it's a blind-Guthwulf-mooning-after-the-sword segment
>it's a Simon-wandering-in-the-tunnels segment

Goddamit Tad I only slog through a third of the content of your books to enjoy the other two.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:47:10 2015 No.7125386 >>7125349 Who is the Stannis of those books?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:56:33 2015 No.7125411

>>7125386
Probably Prince Josua. Not as grim or retarded, and more about doing the right thing than doing the "honorable" thing, but he's the closest to Stannis.

Also I suffered from selective amnesia due to the mind numbing boredom, but

>it's a Maegwin segment

God help me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:06:13 2015 No.7125443 >>7125411 >grim or retarded hmmm you're the wrong person to answer than.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:08:10 2015 No.7125449 >>7125443 Is that supposed to be "then" or "that"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:09:51 2015 No.7125454 >>7125449 It doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:35:12 2015 No.7125890 New Thread >>7125880

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 05:38:24 2015 No.7126136 >>7123247 >How far did you get the first time? About 10 pages. >And did you approach it differently the second time through? Yes - I read the last chapter of the third book first. I highly recommend you do the same.

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 05:40:16 2015 No.7126138

>>7123976
I love Bakker's battle scenes. There's a particular chapter in one of the last books that was really cool, I think it was in The Judging Eye, that just goes through and lists all the contingents and leaders of Kellhus's Great Ordeal army. It's like something out of the Iliad.

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