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7075332 No.7075332 [Reply] [Original]

>has a humanities major
>it isn't history

Why?

>> No.7075336

But my major IS history

>> No.7075340

you need both

you need the historical context and the works it created to grasp a period as well as you'd like

>> No.7075343

what's the point of history? it isn't even fun

>> No.7075345

holy fuck that nigga got cut THE FUCK UP

guess I'll have to switch my major to history now, physics just doesn't cut it

>> No.7075356 [DELETED] 

>>7075345
BTFO
T
F
O

>> No.7075359

>>7075332
Because they're plebs.

>> No.7075373
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7075373

>>7075332
We all need to be inter-disciplinary anyway, sticking to 'your social science' is giving too much importance to the dividing lines, limiting your understanding and research just because of historically rather contingent divisions.

>> No.7075382
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7075382

its the plebbiest choice

>> No.7075384

>those thick thighs
i bet that ass is phat as fuck

I M P A L E
M
P
A
L
E

>> No.7075386

>>7075373
History is inter-disciplinary in itself.

It's literally the study of the entirety of human experience.

>> No.7075409

>>7075386

This.
It's the queen of the social sciences. You can't study history and not know any basics of sociology, political sciences and so forth.

All the others are just highly specialized branches of it. And that's why they often massively fail in their conclusions.
Like those in economics ( one of the social sciences most succesful posing as an exact one ) raging their proverbial asses over 'statism' and what not, because they don't understand historicity and contemporainty..

>> No.7075421

>>7075382

>philosophy should be studied and practised in lecture halls
>philosophy is a degree

laughing.athenians.png

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7075455

>>7075421
nobody implied that

>> No.7075467
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7075467

>not doing STEM

Unless you come from a monied family, enjoy abject poverty aka serving me my Big Mac

>> No.7075497

>has a humanities major
>it isn't classics

Why?

>> No.7075500

>>7075467
>having money
>eating trash

>> No.7075507
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7075507

>>7075332

I liked the Philosophy department better. The History department gets most of its students from the "Social Science Education" and being in class with those types can totally ruin the education experience.

>> No.7075508

>>7075467
>any undergraduate degree
>expecting a job

>> No.7075510

>>7075467
>Enjoying a big mac

Disgusting

>> No.7075520

>>7075500
>>7075510
>literally criticizing McDonalds in 2015

Found the plebs

>> No.7075532

>>7075520
Don't you feel gross eating that greasy trash? God

>> No.7075534

That's not what I want to study. I'm interested in literature and the language itself.

>> No.7075542

>>7075532
>Claims to be a patron of the arts
>Can't even appreciate classic americana

>> No.7075551
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7075551

Has anyone read Wallerstein's 'unthinking the social sciences'?

>> No.7075659

>>7075332
Because I'm studying history's cooler, more literary older brother, Classics

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7075822

>>7075332
because money

>> No.7076316

>>7075659
You mean a small subsection of history that details how people thought and acted in Ancient Greece and Rome?

>> No.7076376

>>7075343
it's fun if you enjoy the subject matter

>> No.7076387

>Not dual majoring in history and philosophy
It's like you don't even enjoy reading and don't even want to think

>> No.7076392

>has a humanities major

why?

>> No.7076948
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>>7075467

>spending life as a number-crunching drone with all the cultural acumen of a calculator.

>> No.7077099

>>7076316
>Think you can understand the complex history of any subset of people without comprehending their language, philosophy, military culture, religion, etc.

Why are you such a cuck to the degenerate history system?

>> No.7077106

>>7075467
>studying anything besides business

have fun being hired help, nerd

>> No.7077112

I majored in anthropology. We deconstruct your historical narratives with physical evidence via archaeology.

>> No.7077113

>>7075386
Only the human experiences that get written down.

>> No.7077116

>>7077106
even CEOs are "hired help."
board members don't need to know anything about business.

the fact that you're ignorant of the actual structure of the firm is a kind of meta-trolling.

>> No.7077162

>>7075386
>accounts of human experience =/= human experience.
>implying anyone could study the whole human experience without losing the insight and expertise that more focused studies provide

I share some classes with history majors and all their interjections and comments tend to be way less reasonable and impartial than those from the phil majors. You guys are just puppets to ideology.

>> No.7077197

>>7077112
>anthropology
Nice white discourse.

>> No.7077252

>>7077162
>philosophy is beyond ideology
>my intellectual position rests on the unmoved mover of pure thought
>I am impartial, because, only the bourgeois can afford to not be partisan

Tell me more about "human nature."

>> No.7077257

>>7077197
>going to college at all

stop acting white faggots, thug life!

>> No.7077649

>>7075409
>It's the queen of the social sciences.
I think you mean Theology, but then you're eating from the trashcan if you think "social science" is a meaningful category in terms of guaranteeing the production of knowledge. Try reading Lukacs on praxis.

>> No.7077657

>>7075507
>undergraduate
I've found your problem.

>education
Fuck bitches.

>> No.7077674

>>7075343
History is so fun. Not facts, but looking at narratives and how they change over time.

>> No.7077686

>>7075386
>>7075409

historia magistra vitae est.


>>7077113
well that is all we have to work with at the moment, sorry about it.

>> No.7077718

>>7075467
>le this maymay again

>> No.7078281

>is a history major
>isn't getting a public history certificate
it's like you people don't want to get job in your own field.

>> No.7078282

>he isn't NEET

>> No.7078291

>>7075467
>the purpose of university is to get a job

Americans get hte fuck off my board

also
>STEM
>enjoy having all male classes

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>>7075332
>tfw history major
>tfw researching for your major paper on socialist utopianism in 1890s Australia
>tfw got access to the state archive so I can look at original historical documents
>tfw professor recommending I do honours

Feels good man

>> No.7078301

>>7075467
>he can't study whatever he wants and live off welfare in his country

>> No.7078325

>>7078301
>doing this

>> No.7078328

>>7078299
Fuck off saltie

>> No.7078330

>>7078325
>jealousy

>> No.7078332

>>7078325
>being dictated by spooked

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7078359

>>7077106
This is correct. If the only thing you care about is money, then you should go for business. It's easy to learn, hard to practice. Guess what else is easy to lern and hard to practice? MONEY MAKING

>>7077116
>mfw

>> No.7078367

>>7078359
It looks like your face is two overly exaggerated anime men from a shounen book. Sounds like solid grounds to advance an argument about the nature of the firm and capital counter to the disciplinary findings of scholars.

>> No.7078374

>>7075332
Because studying history in college is boring as fuck. It's research papers as far as the eye can see.

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7078386

>going to school to study shit that you can learn on your own at your own leisure

>> No.7078387

>>7077162
You're all filthy lefties anyway

>> No.7078388

>>7078367
kek

>> No.7078389

>>7078291
>enjoy having all male classes

you fucking beta

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7078390

>when a STEM student speaks to me

>> No.7078522

>>7075551
What's it about?

>> No.7078534

>tfw thinking of studying history and philosophy after i get done with my current BA.

>> No.7078551

> not being polymathematic

>> No.7078572

>>7078551
It's impossible to be a true polymath in the 21st century. There's just too much going on in every field at the same time.

>> No.7078599

>tfw rich

>> No.7078601

>undergrad philosophy major
>computer science phd

how did i do /b/

>> No.7078620

>>7078572
As polymathematic as possible then.

I'm a chemist, but I dabble heavily in classics.

>> No.7078644

>>7078620
being a dabbler != being a polymath

>> No.7078649

>>7078522
Does the title not give you an adequate summary?

>> No.7078651

>>7078644
I teach Latin and Greek at a high school and I am involved in translating a Latin vulgate into French and English. I would argue that is 'heavy dabbling' for a chemist.

>> No.7078664

>>7078651
>highschool teachers
>experts in their fields
okay buddy

>> No.7078673

>>7078664
I never said I was an 'expert' in Latin or Greek, just that I am somewhat polymathematic in chemistry and classics.

>> No.7078681

>>7075467
STEM is meme

>> No.7078687

>>7078673
We are not thinking of a polymath as the same thing then. You probably think of it as someone who has knowledge of multiple fields, whereas I see a polymath as someone who is an expert in multiple fields.

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>>7078522
Very brief: Wallerstein argues that the 19th century development of the social sciences was fundamentally structured by liberal ideology and its distinctions between separate spheres of human activity, and that up to today we are still working limited by those ideological distinctions, limiting/disabling us from understanding the contemporary 'world-system' (which is the capitalist world-system). So he proposes his world systems analysis as a way towards developing social sciences with a different fundamental framework. This ties into anti-systemic movements which are ill-equipped at understanding and going beyond (not meant in a progress type of way, simply 'beyond' in time) the capitalist world-system if they are analyzing it using the liberal logic. This in a time when, says Wallerstein, the capitalist world-system is 'in transition' towards something else. So the 'unthinking of social science' and W's world-system-analysis has importance for a socialist/... struggle against capital in this century.

Pic related are a few excerpts to try and let the guy speak for himself, although, again, this is just a limited overview of what the book and his work more generally is about.

>> No.7078724

>>7076376
"Enjoy." - Superego

>> No.7078732

>>7078687
Being a Greek teacher, I can tell you that 'polymath' literally means 'student-of-many-things'. Not an 'expert'.

>> No.7078735

>>7078732
Cool that you think that, but that's not the way we use it nowadays.

>> No.7078738

>>7077112
i thought you only deal with pre-history and tribes

>> No.7080209

how does one study history at an amateur level? can i have some study and method tips?

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7080757

>>7080209
Get books
Read them

>> No.7081238

>>7080209
history is mainly a method of comparative critical reading. I'm not sure if you can do that fully as an amateur, but you can read a variety of scholarly monographs and consider the different arguments being made.

>> No.7081250

>>7078732
A language teacher who doesn't understand the etymological fallacy shouldn't be teaching language.

>> No.7081271

>>7075332
Because the history of thought is more important than learning a bunch of dates, wars, and economic conflict.

I picked philosophy for my A.B. because I'm not stuck in the past, and I also learn how those ideas developed into current theory.

I'm also getting a B.S. in STEM because I actually want a decent job.

>> No.7081276

>>7081250

But that stuff does matter to people who know. It used to be every educated person was in the know, just because you're not doesn't mean it's not valid. And if you're not in the know (i.e. if you don't know the learned languages) you miss a lot of meaning in the older English writers who were.

>> No.7081286

>>7081271
>Because the history of thought
Idealist scum. Read some Kuhn ffs.

>> No.7081342

>>7081286
I have read Kuhn. I'm not an idealist in the slightest.

It's more interesting to look at the ideas and paradigms that were in currency in the past (and make no mistake, to a large degree in the present) than to listen to some windbag drone on about peasant revolts.

>> No.7081720

>>7078599
>>/guillotine/

>> No.7082688

>>7081342
>I'm not an idealist in the slightest.
>>7081342
>It's more interesting to look at the ideas and paradigms

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>>7075332

>mfw when people in this thread don't know what Historiography is
>mfw people are not multi-disciplinary
>mfw people choose an armchair major.

>> No.7082948

>>7082938
jokes on you, bub. i changed my history major to chemistry then dropped out a semester later to focus on my writing, which i haven't actually done. right now it's just ideas in my head that i am probably going to lose soon.

>> No.7083014

>>7082948
Are you serious? That sounds like the first step into a loser shit life.

>> No.7083018

>>7082948
>to focus on my writing, which i haven't actually done.
lol

>> No.7083021

>>7075332

Because I majored in Classical Greek and Latin

>> No.7083087

>set to inherit many shekels
>can literally study what I want yet live the patrician life

>> No.7083345

>>7075409
>ike those in economics ( one of the social sciences most succesful posing as an exact one ) raging their proverbial asses over 'statism'

My degree is joint econ and phil, and literally all the profs and the students advocate social democracy, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that economics = libertarian free market thought; that's a niche thought line, if anything.

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>>7075332

Who says my major isn't history?

>> No.7085430

>>7078601
fuck off Dan, alumni weekend is over.

>> No.7085434

is history the best humanities major? it seems manly or something

>> No.7085459

>>7085434
>humanities
>manly
chad is going to fuck your 2D waifu m8

>> No.7085462

>would like to study history
>shitty writer
>don't want to be poor either

:(

>> No.7085559

>>7076948
Just accept you're inferior, it hurts less.

>> No.7086444

>>7078620
are you that same guy who used to always say his majors were biochemistry and classics?

>> No.7086452

>>7076948
>cultural acumen
its honestly sad seeing people try to justify their useless degrees with shit like this.
>I know how to build a rocket
>y-yeah? well I know a lot about culture!

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7086463

>studying useless social science degree (PPE)
>doesn't matter because I go to Oxford and have networked enough that I will never have trouble getting a good job

enjoy your STEM majors plebbitors!

>> No.7086562

>>7086452
nice meme.
Enjoy your only life on this earth with your cool rocket.

>> No.7086679

>>7086463
>PPE
So you realise we're going to shoot your entire class?

>> No.7088147

>>7077649

>retorts that angels dancing on the head of a pin is a "social science", let alone a valuable one
>proceeds to Nuh Uh you can't Know Nuffin (unless of course, we take a page from the clerisy's cherished canon)...
>proceeds, by way of antidote, to ascribe /any value whatever/ to the writings of a kike communist, pretending that that, /that/ of all fucking approaches, is a great way to Know Sumfin

Not that guy but shut the hell up, god-damn.

>> No.7088543

>>7086562
Thanks, I will

kek

>> No.7088770

>>7077113
>this guy not engaging with oral history

>> No.7088785

>>7086463
>PPE
>Ed Miliband-tier

read Lit. Hum. you pleb

>> No.7088899

>>7088770
your mom has a long oral history that you should know about too