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books to help cure depression?

>> No.6965441

>>6965438
Depression is not real

>> No.6965453

>>6965438
There are none. See a psychoanalyst and a psychiatrist and discuss talking therapy and drug therapy in combination.

>> No.6965457

>>6965438
JUST BE YOURSELF

>> No.6965462

You should find what makes you less happy and do less of that and find what makes you happy and do more of that. Maybe for meditation for mental discipline. Also medication FOR SOEM FREE HAPPINESS AND MOTIVATION FUCK DISCIPLINE WHOOOO

>> No.6965481

>>6965453
Do not do this. At best you'll waste your time. At worst you'll end up locked up in a mental ward against your will for several days.

>> No.6965484

>>6965438

PULL YERSELF UPP BY UR OWN BOOTSTRAPPS AW YEAH

>> No.6965488

>>6965481
psychiatric detention for depression is too expensive for the state

>> No.6965489

>>6965438
swtg

>> No.6965491

Apathy

>> No.6965500

jus be urself m8 ;)

>> No.6965516

>>6965488
If you tell them that you have thoughts of suicide, they are required to hold you for at least 48 hours and can keep you for as long as they want

>> No.6965517

>>6965516
Bullshit mate. No commonwealth hospital can afford that.

>> No.6965523

>>6965457

this tbf

>> No.6965532

Finish your novel and then kill yourself. Thay way, even though your novel sucks, people will hail it as a work of brilliance because muh sincerity and raw emotion and such

>> No.6965541

Cioran tbh

>> No.6965542

>>6965438
If you are actually depressed, as in medically, seak therapy.

If you are just pop-depressed, as in a lazy lethargic mid-20er looking for excuses outside of himself - just man up and pull through.

>> No.6965553

>>6965542
>seak

>> No.6965557

>>6965553
By that I meant drown yourself.

>> No.6965563

>>6965516
that sounds pretty sweet, actually I would love to be institutionalized for a while

Although I am 'suicidal' I would feel bad being around people that have it much worse than my self

>> No.6965835

The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

Suicide is the best tried and tested cure for absolutely everything.

>> No.6965862

>>6965542

>man up

My least favourite non-sensical thing that people say regularly. Fuck you for using it.

OP, it's a waiting game. Feel good hormones will come back, but it might take months. See a doctor in the mean-time.

>> No.6965870

>>6965862
As I said, there is a difference between depression and "depression".

>> No.6965909

>>6965870

How can you tell there's one ? Whatever the signs are, it's something that should never be taken lightly, even if the outcom is not suicide. A frightening lot of people are dead by 25 and buried at 80, especially today.

>> No.6965922

>>6965909
Because I am "depressed" myself, but can tell that my behaviour is my own fault.

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Every single thread until you fuckers read it.

>> No.6965971

>>6965516
>If you tell them that you have thoughts of suicide, they are required to hold you for at least 48 hours and can keep you for as long as they want
The fuck kind of shithole do you live in? In the US they have to have reason to believe that you will harm yourself or others. Mere suicidal ideation is not enough. From there, they get 72 hours and if they want more than that then they have to go to a judge.

>> No.6965973

>>6965922
Victim complex is no joke.

>> No.6965983

>>6965964
Russell was wrong about language. Why should I believe he was right about happiness?

>> No.6965998

>>6965516
Your absurd paranoia reeks of /pol/, please go back there

>> No.6966024

>>6965922

That's your depression talking. A vicious circle of self-feeding guilt is the main core of the illness. Been there: the past is an embarrassment I don't want to think about, the future is a constant anxiety I refuse to make plans in, the present is a quiet numbness I wallow myself in, and every effort of reflexivity only shows me something that is me in a complete state of inertia. Guilt ensues. And it goes on and on and on...

It took me six fucking years to finally get (or convince myself ? I'm not even sure) that the "me" at the center of this was an altered version of me and that I was wrong in thinking it was entirely wilful on my part. I still struggle but now I at least take my meds and disociate from my altered state.

>> No.6966037

>>6965983
Because that is called "ad hominem" dear children and is in fact frowned upon in most societies.

>> No.6966042

>>6965983
Because that's a genetic fallacy.

>> No.6966043

>>6965862
You say that like you've never thought "wow i wish someone just told me i was a fuckin cunt so i'd stop"

>> No.6966055

>>6966037
>>6966042
Isn't it an ad personam?

>>6966024
I don't really think that "altered" me would not be me. And getting rid of the "altered" me would feel like altering me. Dunno. I don't think there is a default. What we do is what we are.
Maybe I am just looking for excuses again.

>> No.6966069

>>6966055
>I don't really think that "altered" me would not be me

It's like having the flu for years: you wouldn't think a 'you' with the flu would not be you. And you'd be right; it is really you. With a shitty, destructive, overly resilient microbe that you've come to accept as a part of yourself

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>> No.6966154

>>6965438
Books don't help. They make it worse, if anything.

Also, don't listen to the people saying psychotherapy is bullshit. It's equally as effective as drugs, and different therapies have similar effectiveness. I read this in Malignant Sadness (incidentally, that book is pretty good and not depressing).

>> No.6966192

>>6966069

And to make it clear, I'm not talking about rooting it out, that would be hypocritical of me. Because let's face it: we love and hate it, and we hate loving it and we love hating it. It gives you a different outlook on pretty much everything and can trigger very creative spells, even if we don't do anything of them. It's more about keeping it in check, dialoguing with it if you will. Taking the time to create space in your inner life for different selves, that one and other ones on the other end of the spectrum to keep the balance. Toying with your reactions to stimuli, wilfully exposing yourself to crowds, trees dancing in the wind, books, making all your inner selves converse while you stand back and listen... Or maybe I'm just insane ?

>> No.6966196

fix your diet, sleep more, maybe even take fish oil and magnesium supplements, get more sun

>> No.6966203

>>6966113
Fantastic idea anon! Laughing at the quality of penguin classics is sure to make him happier

>> No.6966213

>>6966043

I haven't. I've been a cunt my whole life, depressed or not

>> No.6966215

>>6965438
step 1: stop reading books

step 2: take small doses of datura

step 3: begin writing

>> No.6966224

>>6965438

Shoot your neighbours and your boss.

Et voilà, depression cured.

>> No.6966295

>>6966069
>>6966192
Great outlook on things. Better than most, I'd say.

>> No.6966396

>>6965438
You should work out, if you read /lit/core type stuff you will never feel much better

However, I do like the Tao Te Ching, and the Letter of St. James

>> No.6966402

>>6965998
>>6965971
>>6965517
Wife is ER doc. If someone says they want to kill themselves, she holds them for 48 hours under observation or/until/unless seen and released by a psychiatrist.

When she was in residency one of her teachers got in trouble (big legal trouble) because they thought someone was claiming suicide to get prescription drugs and let the girl go, and she went home and killed herself.

>> No.6966405

>>6966402
In the US it's required by law to hold for 72 hours.

>> No.6966415

>>6966215
>Actually using deliriants
Are you a masochist?

>> No.6966416

>>6966405
I might be wrong about time period, when she gets home she just says "had to crazy suicidal ideations, had to hold them because dr. x wanted to wait to see them during office hours"

>> No.6966420

>>6966402
>>6966405
ha ha ha oh wow

Even attempted suicide with ambulance recovery won't get you sectioned in the real world.

Fucken seps.

>> No.6966427

>>6965835
>The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

This book is pure poison. Don't read it under any circumstances.

>> No.6966439

>>6966402
Im a paramedic. By law we have to transport people self harming or claiming to want to kill themselves. If they refuse, the cops take them to hospital forcefully (they co respond to these calls anyway, and i find theyre actually really good at talking to them and rarely have to do anything by force). They often elect to come with us instead, but we cant make them, we have to ask the cops to make them.
Regardless, theyre going to hospital no matter what.
I didnt know what the protocol was at hospital, but yeah i know we get a psychiatrist or someone alike to assess them and triage accordingly

>> No.6966448

>>6966439
Different shit for different states.

My state for instance has no inpatient care for dual diagnosis patients (psych/substance use) (lol)

>> No.6966478

>>6966448
Sorry should have made it clear im from Aus. But im sure it's slightly different for each state here too because health is a state power.

What US state is that in? Cause thats fucked. It doesnt seem like any country has its health care system actually working properly
Here paramedics have to stay at the hospital with the patient till they find a bed, which i find is fucking retarded. Sometimes itll be busy and we'll just sit there for hours, doing nothing, then the patient gets a bed and we tell the nurse what we already told the triage nurse about the patient then we leave.

>> No.6966539

>>6966427
>life is le good, dont do it anon

>> No.6966554

>>6966539
Kill yourself you fucking nerd.

>>6965438
OP, please don't read this book. It's the ramblings of a depressed teenager who legitimately believes depression isn't a curable disease.

>> No.6966559

what are you dumbasses talking about, you need a plan to kill yourself to get hospitalized, just being suicidal wont do it

>> No.6966601

>>6966559
>everythings the same everywhere in the world

>> No.6966602

my diary tbh

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>>6965481

What country are you from?

State mental wards were pretty much done away with decades ago in the United States. Now the mentally ill can just be homeless, or locked up in jail with dangerous criminals.

>> No.6966817

Personally On the road served as a reminder of how exciting it is to be alive, inspired me (despite being chronically depressed) into things I wouldn't have done otherwise.

>>6966192
I found the transition from depression to psychosis to be a relieving one. Stay strong, pal.

>>6965481
I'm also inclined to warn against this. Getting into meds and psychiatry was one of the worst decisions of my life.

>> No.6966835

>>6965438
Yes, because you cant be depressed when youre busy with something. That is why all i do is work and shitpost, no time to be depressed.

>> No.6966853

>>6965523
it seems his main problem is being himself already, how can this be the solution then?

>> No.6966957

>>6966427
This kind of post just makes me want to read the thing more. You don't even say why.

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>>6966765
my father is a psychiatrist, can confirm

'merica

>> No.6966992

>>6965438
Feeling Good

>> No.6967010

>>6965438
Maybe not cure per se, but The Stranger helped me get out of several months of absolute dread. The fact of the absurdity of life, and how nothing really matters. That one should live their life how they see fit helped me a bit.

>> No.6967021

by which standards is "normality" defined?
I've been under treatment on and off for about ten years, all they ever tried to do is make me "functional", as it were. so as long as I actually somehow went to classes, went to work, socialized (if you can call it that), they would say I was doing better, although I never FELT better. is being mentally healthy only measured by how you function outwardly? I've been struggling my whole life but as long as I somehow manage to push through to seem like a functioning human, I am considered well.

>> No.6967053

>>6966817
>I'm also inclined to warn against this. Getting into meds and psychiatry was one of the worst decisions of my life.
can you elaborate on this? I was only ever encouraged to get medicated

>> No.6967059

>>6965532
dfw rekt

>> No.6967213
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6967213

Get off the internet for a while

Stop caring so much about what people think

>> No.6967240

>>6967213
>Stop caring so much about what people think

It's much harder than that though. It's not like you can magically flip a switch and go in to stoic mode, the fear of ostracization and ,consequently, death are very effective wards.

>> No.6967261

>>6967213
>Stop caring so much about what people think

>just b urself :)

This advice doesnt work.

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6967282

>>6967261
how does it not work?

>inb4 "because i'm still really really self-conscious!!!""

just because you're afraid of change doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

>> No.6967295

>>6967213
>I wonder if I'm really bisexual or just incredibly lonely.
;______;

>> No.6967304

>>6967261
be yourself without harming or creeping other people out. It's easier than you think

>> No.6967309

>>6967282
you can't just force yourself to change thinking patterns, dude.

>> No.6968623

>>6967213
tfw

>> No.6970825

>>6967213
>tfw cold hands
:(

>> No.6970882

i find walking or cycling in a serene place helps

>> No.6970935

So I can give a couple stories involving depression/mental illness with medication
>be me
>clinically depressed with anxiety
>doctor prescribes med he prescribed my father
>works great for my dad
>I decide to stop taking it after a while because it makes me even more volatile than i was before, and I nearly jump off my apartment building while studying abroad
Alternately
>good friend of mine is seriously fucked in the head, due to shit childhood being raised by a heroin addicted hooker and also being raped
>due to all the people being like "meds r bad they don't help" she goes off her medicine for 4 months
>tries to kill her self 7 times
>back on meds, is fine
tl;dr don't listen to memes on the internet about mental health. For me, meds didn't work out the best. For my friend, they have saved her life. You basically need to decide if it's worth trying.

>> No.6972390

>>6965441
>I'm stupid

>> No.6972412

>>6970935
Most of the people who say meds are bad don't actually know how they work.

>> No.6972438

>>6970935
>>6972412
my father has tried to ward me off of meds my whole childhood, he said it would "mess with my brain" and "change who I am", so it took me a long ass time to even agree to try any. I feel like if I would've been treated earlier I'd have less issues now. thanks dad!

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