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[Anonymous No.6923682]

What is the most laid back philosophical movement, lads?

[Anonymous No.6923687]

>>6923682
dudeism

[Anonymous No.6923695]

church of subgenius

[Anonymous No.6923701]

>>6923682
Epicurism is kind of about trying to be laid back. Telling yourself pain is fleeting and stuff.

I don't think the kind of people that had to codify hedonism were really all that laid back, though.

[Anonymous No.6923707]

taoism

western thought take everything too srsly

[Anonymous No.6923711]

>>6923682
Hardcore aestheticism. Think Wilde

[Anonymous No.6923731]

>>6923711
isn't that rather try hard and requiring of quite some effort?

[Anonymous No.6923736]

>>6923701
>I don't think the kind of people that had to codify hedonism were really all that laid back, though.
Epicurus was admitted even by his rivals to be a top lad and generally known for his calm, friendly and cheerful disposition. He just loved philosophy so much that he wrote 300 books on it and spend the rest of his time talking about it.

He was both laid back and productive, I guess.

[Anonymous No.6923807]

>>6923736
>He just loved philosophy so much that he wrote 300 books on it and spend the rest of his time talking about it.

And none of them survived. Fuck this world.

[Anonymous No.6923810]

>>6923807
>his work was so laid back nobody bothered to save any of it

[Anonymous No.6923873]

>>6923731
Nah not really. Wilde preached that hard work was ugly, dreadful, odious etc. dude was a lazy fuck and thought everyone else should be lazy fucks.

[Anonymous No.6923940]

None of the Germans

They all worked like dogs

[Anonymous No.6923963]

>>6923736
>even stoics admitted he was cool
I feel like this ought to tell us something...

Too bad everyone confuses hedonism with excessism.

[Anonymous No.6923971]

>>6923940
>implying Schopenhauer didn't spend more time looking for publishers and whining about it, rather than actually working
Bruh

[Anonymous No.6923977]

>ctrl+f
>stirner
>0 of 0

what the fuck /lit/? Stirner's philosophy literally is "don't have anxiety, instead have a beer"

[Anonymous No.6923986]

Probably Epicureanism, though nihilism is inherently the easiest because it requires absolutely no commitment to anything, whereas Epicureanism requests you please yourself. Solipsism I think can be pretty laid-back, but then you enter into relativism, because all people are different and I don't exist.

[Anonymous No.6923995]

>>6923977
Just about to post this.
>live your life for yourself
>stop letting spooks get to you
>just do whatever

[Anonymous No.6924193]

>>6923807
Well a few of his letters and sayings do, and we have Lucretius. I think we have the core teachers to a decent degree.

His physics and such, while theoretically interesting, are less relevant to us today than his ethics and as far as his ethics go we have enough to work with to apply to our own lives to our benefit.

[Anonymous No.6924213]

>>6923940
Except Marx.

[Anonymous No.6924223]

>>6924213
Marx worked mad hard. He just didn't make much money doing so.

[Anonymous No.6924231]

>>6923963
Yes, even the phrase Epicureanism is now associated with refined culinary pleasures, while Epicurus was all about healthy simple plant based peasant fare. Which itself becoming quite hip again nowadays, by the way.

Other schools got fucked this way as well though, like using 'cynical' for anything negative and 'stoic' for everything sort of indifferent and 'platonic' for friendzoned.

[Anonymous No.6924240]

>>6924213
>implying
Marx spent 12 years in a library, that's longer than you've been alive anon.

[Anonymous No.6924257]

>>6923977
>>6923995
How do I into stirner?

[Anonymous No.6924267]

>>6924213
>(Marx's) mode of living consisted of daily visits to the British Museum reading room, where he normally remained from nine in the morning until it closed at seven; this was followed by long hours of work at night, accompanied by ceaseless smoking, which, from a luxury, had become an indispensable anodyne; this affected his health permanently and he became liable to frequent attacks of a disease of the liver sometimes accompanied by boils and an inflammation of the eyes, which interfered with his work, exhausted and irritated him, and interrupted his never certain means of livelihood. "I am plagued like Job, though not so God-fearing," he wrote in 1858.

He was a deranged workaholic.

[Anonymous No.6924269]

>>6924231
I think it may be that literal plebs never actually learn the finer but crucial details of any idea and start rambling about it with the authority of the author.

This always happens.
How else do we explain the modern esoteric?

[Anonymous No.6924270]

>>6924257
Read The Ego and Its Own after inquiring about its context, then read Stirner's Critics.

[Anonymous No.6924275]

E P I C U R U S

[Anonymous No.6924310]

It's the dao, my laowai.

>Once, when Chuang Tzu was fishing in the P'u river, the king of Ch'u sent two officials to go and announce to him: "I would like to trouble you with the administration of my realm."

>Chuang Tzu held onto the fishing pole and, without turning his head, said, "I have heard that there is a sacred tortoise in Ch'u that has been dead for three thousand years. The king keeps it wrapped in cloth and boxed, and stores it in the ancestral temple. Now would this tortoise rather be dead and have its bones left behind and honored? Or would it rather be alive and dragging its tail in the mud?"

>"It would rather be alive dragging its tail in the mud," said the two officials.

>Chuang Tzu said, "Go away! I'll drag my tail in the mud!"

[Anonymous No.6924346]

>>6923701

Plus he was all like, "just build a commune with your friends and get real with eachother"

[Anonymous No.6924374]

>>6923701
>>6924275
He managed to maintain his laid-backness even as he died from a kidney stone.

[Anonymous No.6924430]

>>6923682
Just relax and Tetrapharmakos yo

Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get, and
What is terrible is easy to endure

[Anonymous No.6924439]

>>6924310
That lad sounds like Diogenes.

[Anonymous No.6924504]

>>6923711
That's what I was thinking mang

[Anonymous No.6924529]

>>6924439
this right here. taoism + diogenes = no worries
>To one who asked what was the proper time for lunch, he said, "If a rich man, when you will; if a poor man, when you can."

aka "time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so"

[Anonymous No.6924591]

>>6923682
dharma

[Anonymous No.6924615]

>>6924591
>implying buddhism isn't depressing as hell

[Anonymous No.6924633]

>>6924615
On the face of it, yeah.
But once you just start the practices, you quickly get what the fuss is about. Or rather no fuss.

Which is why I prefer Zen to other doctrines. Hakuin Ekaku in particular.

[Anonymous No.6924635]

>>6924591
Buddhism is anti-laid back tbh. It's basically "I can't deal with it, I just can't fucking deal" the philosophy.

[Anonymous No.6924644]

>>6924633
Isn't the cool part of Zen mostly Daoism?

[Anonymous No.6924661]

>>6924615
The fact that you think that it's depressing only means that you don't understand it. If you did, you would realise that there is nothing to be depressed about.
Nothing is everything and everything is nothing.

[Anonymous No.6924662]

Hellenistic cynicism

[Anonymous No.6924669]

>>6924662
Most ideal Diogenes is most ideal.

[Anonymous No.6924674]

>>6924635
No, it isn't.
>>6924644
Zen is essentially the best of Buddhism, Daoism and Confucianism.
The Buddhism aspect gives you more on the philosophy of mind, if you will.

[Anonymous No.6924677]

>>6924661

>Nothing is everything and everything is nothing.

[Anonymous No.6924682]

>>6924674
theravada is best

too many people go to Zen for aestethics and ritiuals

[Anonymous No.6924685]

>>6924682
even though a initial monism cannot hurt, dualism being too ugly, even worse for some monism gotten after a dualism

[Anonymous No.6924764]

>>6924682
>aesthetics and rituals
>minimalism and zazen

Yeah, okay.

[Anonymous No.6924788]

>>6923807
Major parts of his On Nature survive. They just haven't been translated yet.

[Anonymous No.6925600]

>>6923971
This, Schopenhauer literally made a few business deals here and there, wrote a few books and enjoyed entire evenings to leisure.

[Anonymous No.6925625]

In their fundamental aspirations and ideals, therefore, the generation of the Wandervogel in the 1920s were, after all, not as
different from the generation of the Hippies as their external appearance
might suggest. If the young Germans and Austrians of the early twentieth century questioned the moral integrity of
their fathers' culture and society even before 1914---seeing in the
apparently endless reign of Francis Joseph the perpetuation of
a despotic regime from which all life and virtue had departed the
agony and bloodletting of 1914-1918 merely reinforced their
feelings of doom. These were indeed The Last Days of Mankind.
The worldly, bourgeois society of the late nineteenth century had
cut its own throat, and the survivors were free of all moral obligations
to their past. It was time to make a fresh start. Redemption would come only through a new austerity, of dress, of manners, of taste, of style. (In the 1920s, it was easier to get
yourself expelled from school as a troublesome radical for having a crew cut, than for wearing your hair too long.) With bared chests, sandals on their feet, and rucksacks on their backs, the
young men of Germany and Austria marched out of the corrupt cities and back into the pine forests, where, in a spirit of Bruderschaft,
they hoped to recapture the purer and simpler values to which the generation of their fathers had been blind.

Ludwig Wittgenstein himself was born too early to belong to the Wandervogel generation. Yet it is clear that he shared many of their values; indeed, those values were themselves molded on the example of men like Kraus, Loos and Wittgenstein. For Wittgenstein
personally, the years of war service, first on the Russian and later on the Italian front, had been a time of spiritual self-questioning,
but also a time of fulfillment. As though his army life - much of it on active service - had not been enough to keep
him busy, he was also in the last stages of composing the Tractatus,
which was apparently finished during the summer of 1918;
while army life brought him closer to his fellow-soldiers, and
fellow-citizens, than he had ever been as a rich man 's youngest
son in Vienna or ever subsequently became. Here as elsewhere, one is reminded of Tolstoy's Konstantin Levin, who recognizes
that the "meaning of life " shows itself only in the living, to the
man who gives himself over, honestly and wholeheartedly, to
the practical, everyday tasks of tilling the soil, of family life
and of human kindness!

[Anonymous No.6925992]

>>6923682

Whatever Bert 'coolest grandpa ever' Russell says

[Anonymous No.6926001]

>>6924213

[Anonymous No.6926078]

>>6925600
Once he saved a child from drowning (almost on accident) and went full autist with all the good rep he was getting.
He tried to use that as half-assed leverage to get published and was rejected, yet again.
Why? Because he was too lazy to earn real money or just look for a different publisher.

[Anonymous No.6926104]

>>6925625
jesus that outfit looks comfy

[Anonymous No.6926108]

>>6926001
>During this time, three of his children died of malnutrition
Capitalism did this

[Anonymous No.6926118]

>>6926078
kek, source of this?

[Anonymous No.6926129]

>>6924591
> tbh jainism
> ajivika tbh

[Anonymous No.6926131]

>>6926118
Can't find anything online right now. But I think this was after he proposed boredom to be the best state one can ever hope for.
Oh yeah, he literally had a philosophy of boredom. I almost forgot about that.

[Anonymous No.6926153]

>>6923687
is this a meme religion?

[Anonymous No.6926156]

>>6925625
Just want to add some things, because I researched this theme some time ago.

The Wandervogel is a bit like a german scout movement. It was formed by men that were influenced by the Reformpädagogik (progressive education) of Scandinavia and by Nietzsches thoughts of acceptance of life. I think there was also an underlying wish to generate a new generation of 'survivable' children that could take part in the contest of the race of the nations (something like a darwinist 'survival of the fittest', a doctrin that would predict the downfall of a nation if it wasn't 'ready', survivable).
The Wandervogel youth would meet in the nature, sing old german songs or played theatre, build tents, made bonfires, experienced nature. They incorporated themes from the germanic middle ages in their clothes, music, behavior. (In this point one can see the influence of the german romantics, one hundred years before). They celebrated old germanic holidays like the solstice.

A lot of them died in the First World War, they were first, like a lot of young people, enthusiastic about the war. But how that went, we all know.

They were laid back in relation to the philistine society in the first years of the 20th century. But after their youth was gone, they had to integrate in that society, some failed, some assimilated. Some kept the ideas and tried to passed them on.

The Wandervogel was a very unique movement in the early 20th century in Germany. Of course it died out with the rise of the nazis, so it was a fairly short story. But one can argue that their legacy is not quite unimportant since they incorporated ideas like a seperate culture of youth, the importance of nature and vitality.

[Anonymous No.6926169]

>>6923810
>his work was so laid and rational back the burningt every last copy, lest the plebs all ascend to enlightened dudedom and stop being good little tide-paying slaves.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.6926381]

>>6926169
This tbh, it was systematically eradicated.

[Anonymous No.6928095]

>>6923707
>>6924310
>>6924591
>>6926129

Philosophy is an inherently european/western, stop labeling eastern schools of thought/religions as 'philosophy', we aren't in the 60's anymore. Which is not to say that there aren't western buddhists or asian hegelians/whatever, but it is important to distinguish these things, at least in my humble opinion.

[Anonymous No.6928163]

>>6928095

>These oppressive binary oppositions simply won't do

[Anonymous No.6928177]

>philosophical movement
Judging from the way you see things, I think what you're looking for is a cult, not a philosophical "movement".

[Anonymous No.6928212]

>>6924661
This is meaningless bullshit. Nothing and something are inherently different things.

[Anonymous No.6929030]

>>6928212
Not him but discrimination is a spook. As in, differing between things is merely making use of conceptual references to phenomena that are not necessarily differentiated except for by our conceptual thought. One or many, one or the other, this or that are just labels we apply. So is dualism in general, or even monism for that matter. When you stop differentiating conceptually between things there is neither one nor many, this or that, neither wholeness or separation. Distinctions like everything and nothing simply fall away the moment you stop making them. Differentiation is a constant act, a mental process, not something inherent in the observed.