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Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:18:29 2015 No.6886016 [Reply] [Original]

I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Kierkegaard's social alienation was endearing and poignant, Stirner's was largely self imposed due to his aggressiveness and rambling. He's the philosophical equivalent to the conspiracy theorist, the jaded curmudegeon veteran with no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Ignatius J Reilly, on the verge of a temper tantrum. Early in Einzige, he talks about how he'll write about the elderly stage of living once he reaches it. Fitting he dies of a bug bite before the age of 50.

Stirner is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Diogenes had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:22:26 2015 No.6886020 >>6886016 Sometimes you have to put yourself on the fringes of society to get a better understanding/picture. Sometimes, and sometimes not.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:23:11 2015 No.6886021
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I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Stirner's social alienation was endearing and empowering, Nietzsche's was largely self imposed due to his cold hearted aggressiveness and rambling. He's the philosophical equivalent to the beta nerd, the permavirgin who worships chad and has no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Sartre on the verge of a temper tantrum. Early in Zarathustra, he talks about how he'll write about the elderly stage of the übermensch once he reaches it. Fitting he dies of syphillus, as a prositute was his only chance of scoring.

Nietzsche is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. John Green had a warmer soul.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:27:03 2015 No.6886028

>>6886016
>He's lacking in spooks
Can you point out anything he got wrong through?

"I love men, too, not merely individuals, but every one. But I love them with the consciousness of my egoism; I love them because love makes me happy, I love because loving is natural to me, it pleases me. I know no 'commandment of love'. I have a fellow-feeling with every feeling being, and their torment torments, their refreshment refreshes me too."

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:32:29 2015 No.6886041

tbh I think stirner was right about nationalism, war, and socialism, but I disagree with his interpretation of God. It works in the context of his philosophy but it isn't really compatible with legitimate Christianity. I realize he quoted the bible extensively and loved theology.

Regardless, I applaud him for trolling Marx to the point where he wrote crybaby ad hominem

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:37:31 2015 No.6886049 >>6886041 >isn't really compatible with legitimate Christianity

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:41:13 2015 No.6886055 >>6886049 Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:54:31 2015 No.6886083 >>6886055 I don't care, brother. I stopped trying to squeeze all thought through the asshole of ideology a long time ago

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:17:14 2015 No.6886149
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I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Nietzsche's social alienation was endearing and empowering, Sartre's was largely self imposed due to his phenomenological ontology and stubborn Marxism. He's the philosophical equivalent to the edgy teenager, the rebel without a cause who tears down bourgeois values and has no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a cad. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an aged Foucault on the verge of dying from HIV/AIDS. Early in Being and Nothingness, he talks about how he'll write about the elderly stage of authentic life once he reaches it. Fitting he dies of flooded lungs, given his flooding the intellectual scene in France with his bullshit.

Sartre is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Heidegger had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 07:52:30 2015 No.6886653 >>6886016 >>6886021 >>6886149 Two more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 08:00:56 2015 No.6886674 File: 52 KB, 220x314, 220px-Philipp_Mainlaender[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] JUST

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:19:04 2015 No.6887294 >>6886016 >>6886021 NEW MEME

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:56:33 2015 No.6887437
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I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Pynchon's social alienation was endearing and poignant, David Foster Wallace's was largely self imposed due to his aggressiveness and rambling. He's the literary equivalent to the conspiracy theorist, the jaded curmudegeon veteran with no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Ignatius J Reilly, on the verge of a temper tantrum. Early in Infinite Jest, he talks about how he'll write about the elderly stage of living once he reaches it. Fitting he dies of a suicide before the age of 50.

David Foster Wallace is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Ayn Rand had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:21:16 2015 No.6887953 File: 2.54 MB, 2562x3451, 1438021276900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6886021 this guy made the world a better place but doesn't get enough credit for it. hail him now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:22:35 2015 No.6887958 >>6886016 >stirner was detached from reality >brings up a theologian as a contrary example He

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:28:11 2015 No.6887975 >>6886149 >Fitting he dies of flooded lungs, given his flooding the intellectual scene in France with his bullshit. I love you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:18:54 2015 No.6888676 >>6886149 do Camus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:24:15 2015 No.6888700 Hey guys, I can't be fucked to finish The Ego before asking this question. Is 'real life' a spook? As in when people say "stop watching too many movies/reading too many books/whatever and do something in real life."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:31:35 2015 No.6888746 >>6888700 I'd say so, though it could also be argued that's more like a compilation of implied spooks than a single one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:32:02 2015 No.6888751 >>6886016 >I am a Butthurt Christian: The Thread

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:32:42 2015 No.6888754

>>6888700
I haven't touched The Ego (yet) but I've noticed people in /lit/ confession threads talking about how Stirner made them into even lazier douchebags than usual. Maybe IRL dating is a spook, and you should pay more attention to your 2D waifu because it's more fun!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:34:23 2015 No.6888765 File: 27 KB, 386x520, maxs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6888754 your waifu a spook

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:35:36 2015 No.6888776 >>6888754 No need to be mean, anon. I just think the hurr real life argument is dumb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:36:56 2015 No.6888788 >>6888754 Dating is not a spook, it's an activity "a gf is the only true source of happiness' is a spook

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:39:40 2015 No.6888804

>>6888700

This is a common judgement made by extroverts on introverts. Extroverts, generally speaking, react emotionally to, and are refreshed by, changes and stimulus in the external world, primarily other people. Introverts use solitary activities and art to explore their internal world and learn more about themselves. Extroverts tend to see this kind of introspection as less meaningful than interacting with the external world. It's a case of interpersonal skills vs intrapersonal skills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:43:25 2015 No.6888832 >>6888788 "true love" is quite likely a spook - can't argue with that. However, there is nothing spooky about noticing unhealthy addictions and bad habits and trying to change them.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:45:39 2015 No.6888846

>>6888832
>However, there is nothing spooky about noticing unhealthy addictions and bad habits and trying to change them.
That's not what people using the real life argument are usually trying to do. They're usually trying to say that one activity is somehow better than another because it happens in 'real life.'

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:09:28 2015 No.6888990 [SPOILER]

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>>6888676
I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Sartre's social alienation was endearing and empowering, Camus's was largely self imposed due to his living in defiance of the absurd and supporting French imperialism in Algeria. He's the philosophical equivalent to the mopy attention whore, someone who can't even kill himself and has no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like an irreverent cunt. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Simone de Beauvoir on the verge of having an abortion. Early in The Myth of Sisyphus, he talks about how he'll write about the elderly stage of imagining Sisyphus happy once he reaches it. Fitting he dies in a car accident, given how his career crashed and burned.

Camus is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Ayn Rand had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:28:07 2015 No.6889106 File: 29 KB, 331x334, 1430192339980.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6886016 >stirner actually died from an insect bite Cracks me up every time. Anyone know what he was specifically bitten by?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:34:11 2015 No.6889139

>>6888846
It's going to be difficult to pinpoint an exact definition of IRL.

I guess it comes down to what exactly one is trying to defend from the normies.

I've seen some smart posts about this on /lit/. Even if you're spending all of your private time on productive pursuits, trying to become a polymath, trying to expand your mind, you might still be doing it just to build a wall around yourself. You're trying to pass off your isolation as some noble sacrifice. More likely, you just want to avoid the pain of realizing how abnormal you are as soon as you leave your room.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:36:05 2015 No.6889150

>>6889139
seems comparable to the 'authentic' curmudgeon: it's either meaningless or trite, and as a egoist, one should be free to do what one pleases, regardless of meta-motives.
what would be a more fitting meta-motive, anyhow? do meta-motives even matter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:38:28 2015 No.6889162 >>6889139 >More likely, you just want to avoid the pain of realizing how abnormal you are as soon as you leave your room. iktf

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:47:03 2015 No.6889196

>>6886016
Stirner had a social life and was considered charismatic and polite in person, albeit cocky.
You at least seem to have read the beginning of ego. So you are already far ahead of most 4channers.

But I have to say, it really just sounds like you got rustled because Stirner poked your spooks and you didn't like it.

You are aware that you can still participate in spooks right? Its just that they must be dissolvable in order for them to not control you.

If you don't think Stirner had friends/lovers/partners/a life you missed the point entirely.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:50:19 2015 No.6889219

>>6889150
There's something I don't quite understand about this. Wouldn't it be more successfully selfish to aggressively pursue power, thereby gaining more actual freedom in the end? Otherwise you'll just be sitting around pretending to be powerful. Or not even that. You'll just be sitting around telling yourself the world could be all yours if you really wanted it. "I could totally attain this power, I just haven't tried yet!"

>>6889196
>You are aware that you can still participate in spooks right? Its just that they must be dissolvable in order for them to not control you.

See, that makes sense. You still have to follow the rules most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:24:23 2015 No.6889817 >>6888990 Was Camus mopey though? I always was under the impression he was a pampered happy guy with tons of gfs and wealth

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:01:56 2015 No.6890230
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While Kant's social alienation was endearing and poignant, Hegel's was largely self imposed due to his arrogance and obscurantism. He's the philosophical equivalent to the conspiracy theorist, the jaded curmudegeon veteran with no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Spinoza, on the verge of madness. In Phenomenology of Spirit, he talks about how he'll write about the Absolute Knowledge once he reaches it. Fitting he dies of cholera, giving all the shit he wrote.

Hegel is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Fichte had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:05:35 2015 No.6890247 File: 678 KB, 1273x1640, augustine of peppo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6886016 >yfw stirner's wife converted to catholicism guess she saw how his philosphy was bullshit :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:07:06 2015 No.6890252 >>6890230 >given**

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:07:10 2015 No.6890255 >>6887958 You realize some theologians have been community leaders right ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:09:47 2015 No.6890266 >>6886016 Sounds like you know nothing about Stirner, m8. Read his biography.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:12:34 2015 No.6890275

>>6890230
Fichte isn't a great comparison to Hegel. They aren't even close, considering that Kant built from Fichte, who built from Spinoza, and Hegel built from Kant. Hegel pretty much reasserted and improved upon everything Fichte said. Fichte was much more concerned with making people pick between himself and Spinoza, hence his "no no Spinoza is wrong, we had free-will by being able to abstract ourselves from experience. It's Spinoza, or it's me."

Fichte and Hegel didn't really care about one another. Relative to other disputes, at least.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:25:22 2015 No.6890333
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>>6890230

I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While James Frey's fraud charges wwere excusable and his modifications to the source texts poignant, Shakespeare's was largely self imposed due to his aggressiveness in ripping off Bacon's works. He's the literary equivalent to the bank robber, the jaded curmudegeon veteran with no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Ignatius J Reilly, on the verge of a temper tantrum. Early in Julius Caesar, he talks about how "a cowards die many deaths, the valiant but once.' Fitting his reputation as the 'author' of his books had died long before his biological death at 52.

Shakespeare is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Even Einstein had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:26:51 2015 No.6890337 >>6890333 Fuck off, Marlowe. No1curr.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:26:59 2015 No.6890338 >>6886016 Nice pasta

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:32:32 2015 No.6890363
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I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Socrates' social alienation was endearing and poignant, Heraclitus' was largely self imposed due to his aggressiveness and misanthropy. He's the philosophical equivalent to the internet troll, and to the madman who can't make any sense out of anything. And at times, he comes off like a child - and he really lived like one! However, not a child in the charming playful way, but rather like an insecure Diogenes, on the verge of foaming with rabies. In his fragments, he talks about the sun having the width of a human foot. Fitting his body is devoured by dogs while covered in shit, given how absurd his thought is.

Heraclitus is the saddest example of hubris and delusional cynicism outside of fictional literature. Diogenes had a warmer soul.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:11:13 2015 No.6890892

>>6889219
Your ideas about life and power are so spooked I don't even know where to begin.
You seem to have taken a functional definition for intelligence (to act in a way that optimizes the potential for future change) for freedom itself.
Stirner was not at all concerned with your perceived person/world conflict and was speaking about the creative nothing/other creative nothings conflict.
"The most free person right now is the one who can do the most different things right now" is never argued in Stirner's work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:13:10 2015 No.6890897 >>6890892 p.s, the stirnerian patriot bear meme image ("The ego aint free!") has a better understanding of the egoist's freedom than you, and that says something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:13:57 2015 No.6891038 >>6886021 noice

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:31:19 2015 No.6891324 File: 617 KB, 520x499, Gallen-Kallela_The_defence_of_the_Sampo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Stirner >Schopenhauer >_______ What completes the holy trinity of bitter, self-pitying hack philosophers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:34:50 2015 No.6891336 >>6891324 I'd say The Obscure

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:37:25 2015 No.6891342 >>6891324 Rand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:44:39 2015 No.6891362 >>6891342 Right sentiment but can she be considered a philospher? Even a bad one?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:06:20 2015 No.6891412
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I pity this guy. Honestly. He's so detached from reality, and I mean that in the general sense - encompassing everything. He's lacking in spirit, passion, intelligence...

While Heraclitus' social alienation was endearing and empowering, Diogenes' was largely self imposed due to his mendicancy and generally being a total asshole to everyone. He's the philosophical equivalent to the bag lady, the crazy homeless person who shouts nonsense and has no hope for anything. And at times, he comes off like a child. Again, not in the charming scoundrel way, but rather like an insecure Thrasymachus, on the verge of a temper tantrum. Early in Corinth, he talks about how he'll speak about the elderly stage of dog-like virtue once he reaches it. Fitting he dies from holding his breath too long, given that he'd expelled more than his fair share of hot air during his mad ramblings.

Diogenes is the saddest example of hubris and delusional Cynicism outside of fictional literature. Meletus had a warmer soul.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:11:41 2015 No.6891425 ITT: christfags resorting to ad hominems because they can't refute someone's philosophy with arguments

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:22:05 2015 No.6891457

>>6891425
>Chrisfags
As a christian I am very much opposed to sodomy. Funny actually that an Individualist me-me-me Liberal would attack the christians, of all things, as "faggots" although his whole intellectual background is drawn from 19th century upper class dudes who had no other worries in their lives but getting arrested for buggering the butler's son.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:36:00 2015 No.6891488 File: 120 KB, 800x509, 1436472376646.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6890897 >>6890892 de spoogs agnt free anon. good posts though,.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:51:30 2015 No.6891511 >>6891488 Was Stirner necessarily opposed to all conceptions of socialism?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:09:12 2015 No.6891537 I read his wikipedia entry and what he talks about seems like babby's first philosophy. Am I wrong?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:17:40 2015 No.6891557

>>6891511

No, he has no real opposition to socialism in general.

He didn't think it was stealing or supporting the weak like other shit head egoists.
He would have just said that he didn't believe in its 'moral' sentiment or 'duty' to other people etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:18:40 2015 No.6891561 >>6891537 Yea.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:24:33 2015 No.6891576

>>6891561
“Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of Glory shall come in.
"Who is this King of Glory? The War-Lord strong and mighty, the War-Lord mighty in battle.
"Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of Glory, shall come in.
"Who is this King of Glory? The Lord Unique, he is the King of Glory.”

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:34:29 2015 No.6891888 >>6886041 Care to elaborate on what he did to marx?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:09:12 2015 No.6892516 >>6891324 Cioran.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:10:13 2015 No.6892520 >>6891888 Took his idealist and moralist toys away and broke them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:12:47 2015 No.6892527 >>6891888 Marx wrote a critique of Ego when it was released, but it was longer than the book itself and was of dubious quality. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch03.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:19:28 2015 No.6893546 >>6892520 >>6892527 So how did stirner rek him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:43:22 2015 No.6893661 >>6891324 >dissing both Stirner and Schopenhauer thats not very cash-money of you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:47:31 2015 No.6893681 >>6893546 Pre-emptively.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:41:36 2015 No.6893975 Why do you say you pity the guy? From the rest of the text, this doesn't seem to be the case at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:19:11 2015 No.6894164 so, is Stirner the final boss of philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:20:26 2015 No.6894166 >>6889106 A frog

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:07:29 2015 No.6895150 >>6893681 E L A B O R A T E

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:11:18 2015 No.6895174 >>6891537 its pretty straight forward but that doesn't discredit if that's what you are implying. It is both entry level and exit level

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:27:45 2015 No.6895240 >>6891537 It's also grandpa's last philosophy. That's the beauty of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:44:15 2015 No.6895318 >>6894164 you're an idiot

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