The Brothers Karamazov (Бpáтья Кapaмáзoвы)

[Anonymous No.6774701]

Бpáтья Кapaмáзoвы
Brat'ya Karamazovy

The Brothers Karamazov.

Thoughts on this masterwork?

[Anonymous No.6774708]

>>6774701
tl;dr

also it's outdated and no longer applies to modern society

[Anonymous No.6774711]

>>6774701
What's there to say? It's easily considered a masterpiece of Western Literature.

[Anonymous No.6774714]

you dont need the accent marks OP

[Anonymous No.6774727]

>>6774714
Do you speak Russian? I envy you--I'd love to be able to speak it. There are some qts where I work and I'd love to be able to talk to them in Russian.

[Anonymous No.6774739]

>>6774727
i only speak faggot which is why i can communicate w/ you

[Anonymous No.6774751]

>>6774701
Christian propaganda.

[Anonymous No.6774766]

>>6774751
For you even to imply this is ridiculous. You obviously didn't read the entire book. You might have read 100 pages and stopped reading. But you obviously never read it, because you would know of the "Grand Inquisitor" chapter.

In short, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.6774773]

>>6774701
I cried three times, it gets second or third place as for dostos work.

[Anonymous No.6774793]

>>6774727

Do it if you actually want to learn Russian. Just know that Russian is a hard language to learn and is pretty confusing for a native English speaker.

[Anonymous No.6774803]

>>6774773
In your opinion, what takes 1st?

[Anonymous No.6774808]

>>6774803
The gambler

[Anonymous No.6774825]

>>6774808
Interesting, what translation did you go with for The Gambler?

[Anonymous No.6774830]

>>6774808
Thanks for answering for me ya cunt.

I don't know, C&P probably but only because the secondary characters gave me feels, all of them.

The gambler was really well written in the German translation

[Anonymous No.6774864]

>>6774701
Dostoevsky thought he had insight into the human condition

[Anonymous No.6774960]

>>6774864
>thought he had insight

I can't imagine anything more insightful and true than Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.6774970]

>>6774825
Garnett
I liked it because I'm also addicted to roulette and think granny is hilarious. That's how Id like to live at that age.

[Anonymous No.6774975]

>>6774701
>masterwork
>christian themes
pick one and only one

[Anonymous No.6774980]

>>6774975
How's that two-dimensional brain working for you?

[Anonymous No.6774982]

>>6774980
back to your containment board christian fundie bitch
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.6774988]

>>6774970
>I'm also addicted to roulette
How do you like to play? Inside? Outside?

[Anonymous No.6774996]

>>6774982
>>6774975
wow nerds

[Anonymous No.6775003]

>>6774988
Outside if I'm trying to grind some cash.
inside if I'm just having some fun with the lads.

[Anonymous No.6775008]

>>6774982
Wtf are you talking about man? I'm an agnostic atheist, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate multiple perspectives/ethos, cultures, ethics, and religions. I don't "attack" or "condescend" people just because they harbor a different ethos than I. What kind of mongol are you?

You are incapable of higher culture if it bit you in the ass. I assume you are young like early twenties at most, it's the only reasonable explanation for your immature outlook.

[Anonymous No.6775015]

>>6775003
I usually only bring thirty or so dollars with me at a time, so inside is how I like to play.

There's this one Chinese guy at my casino that will always put down $20 stacks on five different numbers.

[Anonymous No.6775037]

>>6775008
>agnostic
Oh I see you you are used to not having any balls. Argument=dismissed

>>6774996
go worship you piece of wood you worm
this board is for intellectuals, not superstitous morons

[Anonymous No.6775234]

>>6775037
You are a child.

[Anonymous No.6775239]

Even when I first read it at 15 I knew it was painfully mediocre.

[Anonymous No.6775575]

>>6774701
The Grand Inquisitor part is awesome. the rest of the book is not his best work. Easily shadowed by the idiot or c&p.

[Anonymous No.6776077]

>>6775037
I was 14 once too, Anon.

[Anonymous No.6776109]

>>6776077
>>6775234
ad hominem

[Anonymous No.6776117]

>>6776109
Which pokemon move is that again?

[Anonymous No.6776133]

>>6776109
>ad hominem
>you are used to not having any balls
>superstitous morons
irony

[Anonymous No.6776142]

>>6776109
Nope, this is an anonymous forum. I am simply stating an opinion based off of the incredible immaturity of your posts. A simple judgement call. If I knew more about you, my opinion might change, but if this>>6774975 , >>6774982 , and this>>6775037 is all I have to go on, then my opinion still stands. You communicate like an angry adollent teenager. A child, who feels the need to argue. Like this anon said>>6776077 , we have all been there at one point in our lives, but we grew out of it, and I'm sure you will too someday. This of course doesn't mean that one day you will be Christian, good heavens no! It means you may one day wake up and realize being a dick to people is just a waste of time, counter-productive, and intellectually below mediocrity.

I hope goes with you anon. Good luck!
Please take the last word on that matter, I don't need it, that also comes with maturity too. You will understand that one day too I believe.

[Anonymous No.6776166]

>>6776109
Nope, this is an anonymous forum. I am simply stating an opinion based off of the incredible immaturity of your posts. A simple judgement call. If I knew more about you, my opinion might change, but if this>>6774975 , >>6774982 , and this>>6775037 is all I have to go on, then my opinion still stands. You communicate like an angry adolescent teenager. A child, who feels the need to argue. Like this anon said>>6776077 , we have all been there at one point in our lives, but we grew out of it, and I'm sure you will too someday. This of course doesn't mean that one day you will be Christian, good heavens no! It means you may one day wake up and realize being a dick to people is just a waste of time, counter-productive, and intellectually below mediocrity.

I hope goes with you anon. Good luck!
Please take the last word on that matter, I don't need it, that also comes with maturity too. You will understand that one day too I believe.


>"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." - Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.6776235]

>>6776109
>Confirming he is 14

[Anonymous No.6776236]

>>6776166
Somebody's jimmies got rustled. It's a great book, get over it anon.

[Anonymous No.6776242]

>>6776166
TIL Einstein is patrician

[Anonymous No.6776256]

>>6776236
k

[Anonymous No.6776257]

>>6776133
>>6776166
>>6776117
>>6776235
>being this assblasted
never change christfags

[Anonymous No.6776275]

>>6776257

I have already said I'm not a Christian here>>6775008 and >>6776166. I'm just not an immature fool who can't appreciate worldview perspectives/ethos different from my own. It's fun to taste and appreciate food from other cultures, even though you don't plan on dining with that food every night.

[Anonymous No.6776290]

It felt like this book was the building rock of something greater (not in terms of lenght of course) but I enjoyed it nevertheless. As some anons have already written, The Grand Inquisitor chapter was amazing and Ivan's mental breakdown was written in such a delicious manner it still remains a highlighr of its own. C&P remains my favourite work by him but I still have yet to finish Demons and buy The Idiot.

[Anonymous No.6776912]

I'm just a couple of chapters in but Ivan seems like christposters who defend religion ironically.

[Anonymous No.6776926]

>>6774793
Russian is very easy to an English native speaker of the Russian language like myself.

[Anonymous No.6776937]

>>6776290
>The Idiot
You're in for a trip. Prepare for feels.

[Anonymous No.6776951]

What things do you need to read before starting this guys?

[Anonymous No.6776954]

>>6774701
>>6776937
>>6776290

I went to B&N and saw the Buy 2 Get 1 Free on their classics section. I figured this was a good as time as any to start Dostoevsky. I will probably make a thread when I'm finished with all these. I hope to be finished by the end of summer. On page 304 with The Idiot right now.

>Garnett is the translator for all 3. I don't really care too much, if I enjoy the book, I will probably buy another one and read it again with another translation; not that big of a deal for me.

[Anonymous No.6776957]

>Masterwork

/lit/: reifying white Christian patriarchs with daddy-doesn't-love-me beards since 2010

[Anonymous No.6777032]

What's the best translation of Dostoevsky?

[Anonymous No.6777060]

>>6777032
Depends, what book you want to read?

[Anonymous No.6777072]

>>6777060
Brothers
C&P
The Idiot
The Gambler

[Anonymous No.6777088]

>>6777072
First, let me say this is my opinion, and it will naturally conflict with others.

Brothers - McDuff
C&P - Garnett
The Idiot - Garnett
The Gambler - Ronald Meyer

[Anonymous No.6777102]

>>6777088
Thank you for your suggestions

Been meaning to get into Dosto for a while now

[Anonymous No.6777111]

>>6777088
>C&P - Garnett
>The Idiot - Garnett
Garnett. Not. Even. Once.

Among the most astringent and authoritative critics of Garnett were Russian exiles, especially Vladimir Nabokov and Joseph Brodsky. Nabokov, the son of a liberal noble who was assassinated at a political conference, left Russia in 1919. He lived in Europe until 1940, when he came to the United States. In “Lectures on Russian Literature,” there is a facsimile of the opening pages of his teaching copy of the Garnett “Anna Karenina.” On the blank left-hand page, Nabokov has written a quotation from Conrad, who told Garnett’s husband, Edward, “Remember me affectionately to your wife, whose translation of Karenina is splendid. Of the thing itself I think but little, so that her merit shines with greater lustre.” Angrily, Nabokov scrawls, “I shall never forgive Conrad this crack”—he ranks Tolstoy at the top of all Russian prose writers and “Anna” as his masterpiece—and pronounces Garnett’s translation “a complete disaster.” Brodsky agreed; he once said, “The reason English-speaking readers can barely tell the difference between Tolstoy and Dostoevsky is that they aren’t reading the prose of either one. They’re reading Constance Garnett.”

Garnett’s flaws were not the figment of a native speaker’s snobbery. She worked with such speed, with such an eye toward the finish line, that when she came across a word or a phrase that she couldn’t make sense of she would skip it and move on. Life is short, “The Idiot” long. Garnett is often wooden in her renderings, sometimes unequal to certain verbal motifs and particularly long and complicated sentences. The typescripts of Nabokov’s lectures, which he delivered while teaching undergraduates at Wellesley and Cornell, are full of anti-Garnett vitriol; his margins are a congeries of pencilled exclamations and crabby demurrals on where she had “messed up.” For example, where a passage in the Garnett of “Anna” reads, “Holding his head bent down before him,” Nabokov triumphantly notes, “Mark that Mrs. Garnett has decapitated the man.” When Nabokov was working on a study of Gogol, he complained, “I have lost a week already translating passages I need in ‘The Inspector General’ as I can do nothing with Constance Garnett’s dry shit.”

A less imperious but no less discerning critic, Kornei Chukovsky (who was also a famous writer of children’s books), esteemed Garnett for her work on Turgenev and Chekhov but not for her Dostoyevsky. The famous style of “convulsions” and “nervous trembling,” he wrote, becomes under Garnett’s pen “a safe blandscript: not a volcano, but a smooth lawn mowed in the English manner—which is to say a complete distortion of the original.”

[Anonymous No.6777176]

>>6774701
>Бpáтья Кapaмáзoвы
> á á
Knock it off.