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I've heard men say that Plato is boring and irrelevant, but recently a woman I know called him "mediocre" and "boring" and that just stuck in craw and pissed me off. Why is it that when a woman says shit like this, it makes you a lot more annoyed than when a man does? Ressentiment due to sexual frustration, perhaps, but I'm not at all sexually frustrated.

>> No.6625018

that chick sounds fucking hot, maybe you're just a pussy

>> No.6625027

>>6625018
She's my ex.

>> No.6625032

because we expect more of women
also maybe we are assuming that the women hasn't done as much research as the man has before saying she doesn't like something, so we are assuming her dislike comes from ignorance

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>>6625007
>caring what girls 'think'

>> No.6625039

Because you lack the capacity to articulate your own thoughts and tell these people why exactly you believe that he is brilliant and relevant to the world we live in. They reveal that you lack the ability to really communicate ideas yourself.

If you actually don't think that he is medicore or boring, then it shouldn't bother you to hear someone else opinions. It should just spark a discussion.

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>>6625032
>we expect more of women

>> No.6625050

>>6625007
>Ressentiment due to sexual frustration, perhaps

Lol, you fucking faggot. It's almost never this, despite what most SJW fags wish.

It's just internalized misogyny. Just like I (wrongly) dumb down my speech when talking to a black person, I expect women not to be as qualified to judge certain topics as men. It's a preconceived notion, and those are often rooted in generalizations you learned at a young age.

>> No.6625051

>>6625032
She's definitely read him, she was highly opinionated on him

>>6625039
I could articulate them. She's a nihilist though so none of my reasoning appealed to her.

>> No.6625059

>>6625051
Irreverent isn't the same as mediocre. Both stupid, though.

>> No.6625060

The way I see it, she thinks she's superior because she's a woman.

I have no clue what's going on in her mind, but that's literally the thought I will always have when I hear shit like that. Even when I point that out to myself, I still think that.

I just see women as inherently arrogant, stuck-up, entitled people with no sense of humility or respect for anything.

And it's not like I even want to think those things, but that's my immediate gut reaction and it sticks.

>> No.6625061

because we don't question a man's competence and trust that he has his reasons for disliking something

>> No.6625064

>>6625007
Because 'mediocre' is one of the few things you can't really call Plato

>> No.6625065

Women, being perceived intellectually inferior, seems as children when they speak so, and one typically can't help but feel angered by the debasing of something by someone who innately cannot understand.

>> No.6625068

>>6625007
Because to you, woman is The Other. Men you can see as individuals, because generalising their opinions to their entire gender would include yourself, but any woman you run into you treat as a representative of 50% of the human race. Therefore it is immensely more distressing to disagree with a woman.

>> No.6625071

>>6625007
i think it's safe to say that plato was severely retarded

>> No.6625081

>>6625068
That makes decent sense.

>> No.6625104 [DELETED] 

>>6625071
>ex hates Plato
>current gf is a Platonist (as in the religion)

>> No.6625108

its literally because youre a misogynist but /lit/ will flip its shit at this completely obvious reason

>> No.6625111

>>6625071
>ex hates Plato
>current gf is a Platonist (as in the religion)

>> No.6625116

>>6625108
Sexist? Maybe to some extent. Misogynist? I really don't think so

>> No.6625137

Because men are 99.9% likely to be dumb faggots regurgitating something they think will make them look smart, and women are 100% likely to be

>> No.6625142

>>6625116
You hear the man's opinion and assume it comes from some logical place, he must have read Plato and come to that conclusion himself.

When you hear the women's opinion you think it's coming from her becoming bored with Plato and not being able to understand him, or that she's parroting it from some where else. You value her opinion below the man's because you have preconceived bias'.

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>>6625137
Let me guess, you're part of that 0.1%?

>> No.6625148

If I were to guess I'd say she doesn't like you and is getting back at you somehow. Maybe you dissed something she liked.

>> No.6625150

>>6625142
That's not misogyny, that's sexism at worst

>implying I valued the men's opinions
I didn't, I thought they were idiots. It just didn't make me feel angry

>> No.6625153

>>6625147
I'm a woman.

>> No.6625162

>>6625148
I did, I called it "inane" (but that was only because she asked for my opinion), but she has no reason to believe I like Plato.

>> No.6625168

>>6625153
So whom are you regurgitating?

>> No.6625204

>>6625116
on a basic emotional level, you respect the right of a man to hold opinions that differ from yours, but you do not extend women this same respect

you are a misogynist. split hairs and call yourself a sexist if you want, I guess

>> No.6625232

i think with men you'll assume they have some sort of forte and it might just not be literature and that's fine. there's this expectation that a man will be passionate about something, that his life is 'about something' (career / hobby / some goal). when two guys meet each other, one of the first things they ask will be "what do you do".

with chicks, that expectation isn't there at all, chicks are meant to be mediocre, pretty and somewhat 'noncontroversial'. if a chick says something like that it just screams either of her being overly opinionated or blatantly ignorant. when a guy meets a girl, various things may happen, but the general expectation is that he will entertain her. she is to shut the fuck up, and especially, not to voice stupid fucking opinions.

>> No.6625238

>>6625232
truth

>this creature, intermediate between male and eunuch, which is described as feminine
- simone de beauvoir

>Men's egotism, so disgusting in the talentless, is the source of their greatness as a sex. [...] Even now, with all vocations open, I marvel at the rarity of the woman driven by artistic or intellectual obsession, that self-mutilating derangement of social relationship which, in its alternate forms of crime and ideation, is the disgrace and glory of the human species.
- camille paglia

>> No.6625253

>>6625204
there are other issues, however, for which women will be given leeway and men will be scrutinised over. it's a sexist view, it doesn't necessarily have to translate to a misogynist view. your view, on the other hand, assumes that he, a man, will without question be misogynist, which could be called misandry.

go ahead, post the tipping meme, but i'm fucking right.

>> No.6625297

>>6625027
There you go.

>> No.6625303

>>6625253
I agree, I am a misandrist because I told the guy who gets irrationally angry at women that he might hate women

>> No.6625324

>>6625303
you said he is, not he might be. stop shifting the goalposts, misandrist scum.

>> No.6625330

>>6625303
i think his point was more that you're a misandrist because you take a reductivist stance in dealing with male-confronting-female psychology and assume the worst (by current cultural terms and standards) about the man in that situation.

>> No.6625337

>>6625324
what kind of ism is it if I assume that youre under twenty and unattractive

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>>6625337
probably falls under bullying / ad hominem

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>>6625337
holeism

>> No.6625372

>>6625337
just the jism already in your belly by the end of every day

>> No.6625385

>>6625007
Because you know her opinion has come about without proper inquiry because she's a woman and women only care about opinions like just another accessory.

They're natural Stirnerists in a way, they view the world as their property to be used as seen fit to serve their ego.

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>>6625027
>mfw the thread continues after this post

>> No.6625408

>>6625394
It is still very important for some people to point out that they are better than women, okay?

>> No.6625410

>>6625007
>but I'm not at all sexually frustrated.

hilarious

>> No.6625413

>>6625385
She actually is a Stirnerist, even though I don't think she's read him. I asked her before what is the basis of her morality, why she thinks certain thinks that it is wrong to hurt people (since she said before she has no reason to believe other people even exist as consciousness in the way that she does), and she said, "Because other people being hurt makes me feel unpleasant."

>> No.6625425

>>6625394
Doesn't mean we aren't friends or that what I'm talking about wouldn't apply to other women.

>> No.6625432

>>6625425
it's okay
i'm still here for you, baby

>> No.6625435

>>6625413
sounds like a top lass, post pics

>> No.6625436

>>6625408
> It is still very important for some people to point out that they are better than women, okay?
> 'some people' referring to men
> any discussion or inquiry into the own thought process is verboten and innately misogynist rather than sexist/potentially problematic
> all men have to be killed

just fuck off you men-hating shitmistress.

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6625456

Plato's critique annoys me like nothing else in philosophy. I've seen people two weeks into philosophy, just >starting with the greeks and who already are like "Plato? Theory of forms is dumb lel :D"

People can't even argue against it properly and overlook the fact that is anticipates 20th century psychological theories about collective unconscious or rather collective implication of shared understanding of things which naturally can't be popular in era which tells us most things can only be ethically judged within certain perception shaped by cultural factors etc. as if accepted (even only in shape of Jung's collective unconscious), big part of cultural relativism rhetoric would be rendered invalid.

>> No.6625459

>>6625436
> 'some people' referring to men
Well, some men. But yeah, women can't really have this compulsion.
>innately misogynist rather than sexist/potentially problematic
What are you even trying to say right therr? Gibberish.
> all men have to be killed
Ah yes, the looming menace of a complete manocaust. Never forget.

>> No.6625465

>>6625432
Thanks

>>6625435
I'm not going to do that because I'm 100% positive it would piss her off. She is a high mark qt, physically speaking

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>>6625007
Like most men, you intuitively feel a woman is out of line when she voices an opinion. It's natural and can't be helped.

Women have never been taken seriously as persons, they still aren't, and the only place they somewhat are (the West) is ideologically bankrupt and will be overcome by more traditionally oriented cultures soon and women will be back again where they have always been.

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6625490

It's perfectly natural.

I fucked around a lot in my teens and early adulthood before settling down, probably for 6 and a half years total. In that time I can say with 100% of certainty I never actually listened to shit any of the women I was with said. And that includes "long" relationships.

I just nod off when they start talking. They can have a double PhD in my area and I still won't respect them or take them seriously. I can't even find it in me to find them funny, besides my current woman and this friend I used to have, none have mad me laugh in a genuine way. I don't even hate women, I just don't have it in me to take them seriously.

So getting "irrationally" boisterous when a chick displays a stupid opinion, even moreso than when a man does it, is perfectly natural. You know, if not consciously at some primal level, that they are inferior.

Which is why it surprises me that you even bother "arguing" with them knowing full and well the discourse will devolve into insecure sarcastic remarks, eye rolls and emotional bullshit that will end up with crying or you leaving for a drive wondering how can a single human being be this stupid.

Talking to a man is much more rewarding, stick to that.

>> No.6625505

>>6625490
What about your mother? What about your current girlfriend? Are you this much of a disrespectful cunt to them too?

>> No.6625512

>>6625505
it's cool, man. he's just lying.

>> No.6625515

>>6625490
Learning to view women as cute and somewhat useful pets is truly the secret to happy relationships.

>> No.6625523

>>6625459
i just refuse to accept the social dogma of women as victims and men as perpetrators. there's lots of ways in which life sucks for men. no matter how you put this shit, in assuming that men, even some men (because the implication there is that obviously it's a significant portion) are x is sexist. you're guilty, and even more so since you're merely adopting what's hip and trendy right now, there's literally no semblance of original thought in there, you're just bringing the message of feminism over from the spheres of tumblr-esque pop culture to a slightly less liberal 4chan/lit/, thinking you're some sort of sociologist genius; interchan revolutionary. it pisses me off to no end.

>>6625465
>She is a high mark qt, physically speaking

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>>6625505
I respect my mother. She's a genuinly strong woman, worthy of my father for sure. And "strong woman" in the traditional sense of the word. Some of these women existed before the suffragette bullshit ever came into place. She is the boss in her workplace, is tough as fuck and responds only to my father.

My woman, though, she's surprisingly intelligent. Not in a regular sense of the word, just for a woman. Head of her class at Uni, best grades, although she studies herself to sleep constantly. Still young, but that's why I picked her. She can be trained.

From a point of view that concerns respect, they're the only women in the planet I respect. And I can say that they fought a lot to earn that respect.

>>6625515
This is literally what I'm doing now. I used to be irritated at her constantly in the beginning, getting in petty arguments over nothing because I couldn't hold myself from telling her off when she said something stupid. But then I realized it's a pattern and this is why I never listened to women before. I was a lot happier when I didn't listen, needless to say.

In short, you're correct.

>> No.6625549

>>6625490
>>6625539
Norr what the fuck are you doing here

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>>6625549
I'm stoned on pain meds, busted my back jumping from a 20m rock into a 3m deep river. My back already hurt, so naturally, when I hit them on the rocks, it only got worse.

To be blunt, I don't know. I'm repeating myself like an idiot too, I hate these pills.

>> No.6625559

>>6625490
>>6625505
i'm a sad, kissless loner but a lot of my friends who are doing quite well seem like this to me. all liberal and feminist rhetorics but whenever i'm in a group with them and some girls they'll laugh at the most unfunny shit, tolerate the stupidest arguments, agree to anything. it makes me mad because i know i WANT equality, because if we were truly equal, i wouldn't have to worry about generally being the active half, the initiator in any sort of courtship, and my autismo wouldn't be quite as crippling and limiting because hey, chicks will come at me with pick up lines and flirty demeanors.

but that's not how things work and every time i hear a buddy of mine laugh at some chick that said a word in a 'funny' way i want to punch them in the face for having this insane double standard and not even acknowledging it. feminism truly is the ultimate bullshit test.

>> No.6625563

>>6625490
>>6625539
Jesus FC you manage to outdo OP in terms of pure mysoginy.
Well done.

>> No.6625569

You hadn't even read Plato until you started your failed reading group

>> No.6625576

>>6625555
Go to sleep. Seriously, go and take your quads with you. Fuck off this board, bro.

>> No.6625584

>>6625394
This. OYTIS clearly wants to use /lit/ as his blog again.

>> No.6625587

>>6625523
>in assuming that men, even some men (because the implication there is that obviously it's a significant portion) are x is sexist
Not really. Also, I was clearly talking about posters in this thread, some of which self-evidently are under the compulsion to tell people how they are better than women. Similar compulsions may exist in women, but they'll necessarily target different groups, for example, obviously, men.
>it pisses me off to no end.
Good.

>> No.6625599

>>6625050
This

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>>6625563
>>6625576
it's fantastic how much some people can't handle the truth

also, sleeping on opiates can be hard. it's easy to nod, hard to really doze off. he'll probably be here for a while

>>6625587
you keep changing what you say. anyways, it's past 4AM, i'll go to bed. goodnight. you filthy hypocrite.

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>>6625559
You care too much, man. I'm not saying "become a useless bum with no goals and no self-respect", all I'm sayins is that you don't have to take half of the population seriously. Unless your pride is under a direct assault, don't bother feeding life into their opinions.

>>6625609
I had no idea, up until now I refused to take opiates at home. I've been nodding off for the past two hours and every time I feel like I'm finally sleeping I startle myself.

>> No.6625659

>>6625609
>you keep changing what you say
The only thing I said, which hasn't changed one bit, was that some people are under the compulsion to assert their superiority over women in this thread. All you did was accuse me of things I never said, because that comment clearly hit close to home.
Go to bed now. Get the fuck off my board.

>> No.6625661

>>6625609
>>6625647
>taking opiates and shitposting
Explains why this thread got this far

>> No.6625668

>>6625007
Because women aren't smart enough to understand philosophy and aren't qualified to assess the work of Plato.

>> No.6625679

>>6625647
It's funny because out of my group of friend I was the only virgin once we finished highshcool. I was the quintessential fedora tipping nice guy who treated women nicely and expected a reward. Then I told myself I'd die a virgin and stopped caring. Dressed nicely for myself, read to become knowledgeable for the sake of it and overall became a more interesting person. Man or woman, I stopped caring that much and because the increasing seclusion whenever I went out I came off as an asshole. Guess what? I got laid in college.
Only proves that your life improves drastically once you stop listening to the opposite sex or try to impress it.

>> No.6625706

>>6625668
Basically this. It's like a chinese guy from Beijing describing the London without ever having left China.

>> No.6625719

>>6625490
>insecure sarcastic remarks, eye rolls and emotional bullshit that will end up with crying or you leaving for a drive wondering how can a single human being be this stupid.
Perfectly seen from here >>6625459 to here >>6625587
Amazing

>> No.6625721

>>6625027
/thread

>> No.6625724

>>6625007

Diogenes said the same thing about Plato, only to his face, and during his lectures.

>> No.6625729

>>6625232
Right on the mark.

>> No.6625737

>>6625007
Women want to treat you with flippancy because it's just not important what you think of Plato. Take her to the beach and slap her ass, don't talk with her about Plato.

>> No.6625740

>>6625147
>Using a spook against someone regurgitating >>6625153 Stirner

>> No.6625751

>>6625490
>>6625679
>>6625737
This. You're not supposed to have a civilized debate with them, you're a beta cunt if you actually think otherwise. Then again, you sound like one, getting all chummy with your ex. Who does that past the age of 20?

>> No.6625760

>>6625719
First of all, you have yet to point out even one inconsistency in ly argumentation. Failing to do so, it's pretty clear you're the one getting emotional, not me.
Second, I suspect samefag. That, or there's now an MRA equivalent of white-knighting.

>> No.6625771

>>6625668
You just described most of /lit/ too

>> No.6625778

>>6625751
I've broken contact with her twice and said I don't want to talk to her anymore, and she reestablished it both times.

>> No.6625785

>>6625050
Underrated post

>> No.6625801

>>6625724

This is kind of critique I was talking about here >>6625456

If the meme about Diogenes mocking Plato's forms by asking about the form of cup-ness and then about form of emptiness of the cup is real (which I'm not sure of because there are no credible sources of it in Laertios' works) then it shows that Diogenes didn't understand that theory of forms was applicable only to positive concepts thus excluding "form of emptiness".

>> No.6625835

Women are incapable of abstract thought in the same way that men are. Women evaluate Plato the same way that they evaluate their friend trying to convince them to go to one restaurant instead of another.

>> No.6625877

>>6625760
>You have
No I don't. First off, I'm not the guy you're arguing with. Second, I literally couldn't care less about the feeble opinions of a feeble woman with a shit ton of insecurities as it seems.

>> No.6625878

>>6625724
As the first shitposter, Diogenes is an honourable Australian... "I said show me a real man! This [chicken] is a man."

>> No.6625914

>>6625877
>Second, I literally couldn't care less about the feeble opinions of a feeble woman with a shit ton of insecurities as it seems.
That's why you had to make this post, because you're totally confident and don't care what I think. Seriously.
Also, if you're gonna be a white knight for other dudes, you definitely have to be able to argue their case.

>> No.6625917

Thanks for posting the worst thread on /lit/ right now OP.

>> No.6625933

>>6625914
I don't have to argue anyone's case. That's the beauty of being a man, I don't latch onto something like I'm on my period 24/7. It's simply hilarious to see you squirm around with all that sand in your cunt pretending you're tought when you're exactly what anon described you above. So keep doing it. Keep replying. Make my night.

>> No.6625948

Should you castrate the thought of mine dignity with wit, I shall pray you tell what humanity hath you gone and lost for the sake of eachs own to know that dignity is not, and I mean not gone.

>> No.6625952

>>6625523
you clearly cant differentiate between feminism and capital F feminism. there's feminism, and then there's radical feminism which characterizes women as victims and portrays all men as dangerous, lust-driven, irrational beings, but that's not what feminism, in essence, is about.

>> No.6625953

>>6625007

It's because they're for your dick to fuck, and food preparation. Oh, and janitorial duties when I piss the floor or shit the bed. They've no right to criticize any man who ever lived.

>> No.6625957

>>6625952
>Committing a No True Scotsman with all the info available these days

>> No.6625958

>>6625952

Every time it's tried it turns to fuck because most of the momentum is coming from angry stonebutches who think that if they say enough bitter stuff about men all the girls will flock to them. These lummoxes need towing by the bottom lip from a truck.

>> No.6625979

>>6625933
this is another anon, but you fucking suck m8.

>> No.6625992

>>6625933

Excellent work sir!

>> No.6626001

>>6625957

what?

>>6625958

id say its due to social media tbh. a lot of widespread sharing of misinformation

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>>6625952
Nah, most feminism today tends toward radical, look at was "radical" entails
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialectic_of_Sex

Looks like where mainstream feminism is going to wind up

>> No.6626009

>>6625953
Women are not that bad or useless, as a man it's just worth understanding that they can't benefit from other people knowing the truth about them so don't expect them to and you'll be fine.

>> No.6626018

>>6625979
>>6625992
Funny. Won't remove the sand from your cunt though.

>> No.6626019

>>6626001

Right now, yes, but the people using it that way are stonebutches, many of them shut ins.

>> No.6626025

>>6626009

I didn't say they're bad or useless. They're for fucking, making food, and cleaning, like I said. Criticism of men is above their pay grade.

>> No.6626026

>>6625933
I can almost envision the fat chick behind the monitor hyperventillating and nearly crying at this kind of argument every time it happens either on tumblr or 4chan.

>> No.6626028

>>6625933
>I don't latch onto something like I'm on my period 24/7.
Dude you literally just did exactly that, latching onto an argument I had with another anon, presumably because you got triggered by what I wrote. And now you're refusing to make any sort of argument of your own, instead relying on cliched ad hominems, while calling me irrational. Congrats, you're probably one of the biggest hypocrites o0I have encountered on an anonymous board, which, given that anonymity gives little incentive to not be a hypocrite, is quite the achievement.

>> No.6626030

>>6626001
You committed a No True Scotsman fallacy.

>> No.6626033

>>6626018

I was >>6625992 and I genuinely meant it.

>> No.6626038

>>6626030
it's more of the No True scotsman Fallacy, which isn't a fallacy

>> No.6626041

>>6626028

> ad hominems

You prove what you are with the words you write here. If you're a proven hole, you'll be called by your name. No ad hominem necessary, or even possible.

>> No.6626051

>>6626028
I don't even know what you're arguing about. Nor do I care. Again, that's the beauty of being a man. I just looked from outside and saw a legbeard with too much sand in her cunt getting angsty. I'm literally calling you what you behave like, if you call it an ad hominem you admit that you are exactly what I'm throwing at you, for you wouldn't be #TRIGGERED if it werne't otherwise.
Congrats, you're probably one of the maddest cunts I have ever encountered on an anonymous board. Keep replying, please. One more reply, I'm almost at the verge of laughing tears.

>>6626033
My bad bro, sounded like sarcasm from this ugly bitch.

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>this one dyke ITT getting laughed at by all these dudes

>> No.6626059

>>6626041
>ad hominems are legitimate in your particular case because you totally are what I say you are
Apart from the fact that you have no way of knowing that (just like I have no way of knowing anything about you), that is not how it works.

>> No.6626069

>>6626059
Not him, but it is valid when someone doesn't participate in a debate and just makes observations. Which seems to be the case. You only got angry because the hat fits you. Give it a rest, you clown.

>> No.6626077

>>6625933
Another another anon. Confirmed retardation

>> No.6626080

>>6626051
>I don't even know what you're arguing about. Nor do I care. Again, that's the beauty of being a man
So wait, the beauty of being a man is spouting inane shit without knowning nor caring if it contributes anything? That's sexist. Against yourself.

>> No.6626081

>>6626051

I don't blame you for expecting it man, it's so often their idea of 'wit'.

>> No.6626095

>>6626080
Nah, the beauty of being a man is having the power not to give a shit. When I call you a retard with too much sand in your cunt, I mean it. I'm not trying to debate you because I honestly don't consider you smart enough to maintain a debate on whatever the subject may be. I reckon I know more about make up than you do and I never once in my life came in contact with it.
Tl;dr so you won't tire that tiny brain, you have sand in your cunt and you're angry. It's ok.

>>6626081
Which is what I pointed out here >>6625719
Tripfag got it right. Just stand back and laugh with me, anon.

>> No.6626098

>>6626069
>it is valid when someone doesn't participate in a debate and just makes observations
That is in no way valid, that is just disruptive behaviour that makes the board go to shit. But if your point is, I shouldn't argue with people like that, you're probably right.

>> No.6626102

>>6626095

I hadn't read that original post. :D

>> No.6626107
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>this one bulldyke legbeard getting torn apart by a pack of n-- I mean anons
Cruel, but that's the circle of life

>> No.6626115

>>6626095
I'm I a guy, and your posts are making me understand the appeal of radical feminism for the first time. Thank you, I guess.

>> No.6626116

>>6626098
My point is that if someone with no stakes makes a remark about one or more people involved in a debate, it's probably a correct observation and you should take it as valid criticism to your behavior.

>> No.6626125

>>6626115
>I'm a bitch*
FTFY. Grow a pair, boy.

>> No.6626130

>>6626095
That's how people get in general from using the internet so much. Women who don't aren't so ideologically opinionated unless they're conservative.

I'd also say you're even more opinionated than she is.

>> No.6626131

>>6626116
>it's probably a correct observation and you should take it as valid criticism to your behavior.
For starters, I'm not even a chick, so no, none of his observations are in any way accurate.

>> No.6626137

>>6626125
I'm drunk btw ;D

>> No.6626142

>>6625490
>>6625539
fucking lol, my grandpa used to be like this
he just nodded and dismissed everything my mother or my grandma would say to him, i think the only meaningful conversation i've seen him have with someone from his part of the family was with my uncle
anything else coming from a woman he'd instantly dismiss, i don't know how the fuck did he remain married for 51 years

>> No.6626144

>>6626137
Is that the new
>I was only pretending to beretarded
?

>> No.6626150

>>6626130
If by "opinionated" you mean "having a negative opinion on angsty legbeards online", then yes, I am.
You're right though, you can tell these people apart very easily IRL.

>> No.6626156

>>6626131
You're certainly arguing like one. I'm not saying this to support anyone because I don't even know what your beef is about, I'm basing this on your talk with me.

>> No.6626188

>>6626156
>You're certainly arguing like one
That's the point: I actually wasn't. Whoever I was talking to just jumped to that conclusion because I voiced an opinion he'd associate with chicks. And the troubling part is, from that point on, it was impossible to talk to him. I'm normally not remotely sympathetic to anything that goes by the name of feminism these days (and note how nothing I wrote suggests otherwise), but jesus christ that was quite sobering.

>> No.6626194

>>6626150
I mean you're opinionated about women in general.

>> No.6626204

>>6626188
>Whoever I was talking to just jumped to that conclusion because I voiced an opinion he'd associate with chicks
From my personal experience there's a semi-unanimous consent on what is chick stuff amongst healthy, normal males. You see where someone on an anonymous, genderless board could get confused about the sex of someone who voices the opinion typical of a woman (whatever that might be, I don't know what you said)? About the feminism thing I can't comment, I don't know what was said about it. It's not that I'm an apathetic human who doesn't care about anything, I'm just lazy at this point.

>> No.6626213

>>6626030
you're an idiot. feminism is, in essence, the doctrine that posits that men and women (and other) deserve to be treated as equals. the difficulty many face themselves with, however, is when they realize the fact underlying feminism is that, historically/traditionally, women have been treated and regarded as lesser-beings, relative to men. some people develop a sort of myopia around this claim and radicalize it to function as some pseudo justification for their hatred of men, but that defeats entirely the purpose of feminism. it's not a no true scotsman, its knowing the fucking difference

>> No.6626214

>>6626194
Seems to me like you want to fight. Let's do it, meet me at Central Park (Northwest, near the dog statue) tomorrow at 4pm.

>> No.6626220

>>6626204

> someone who voices the opinion typical of a woman (whatever that might be, I don't know what you said)?

10/10.

>> No.6626227

>>6626213

Nobody gives a fuck, toilet.

>> No.6626232

>>6626213
So saying that there are feminists like the suffragettes in 2015 when that isn't true to remove attention from the actual hairy, fat, bitchy feminists of 2015 is perfectly acceptable? Feminism is bullshit in all its forms, go back to Frankfurt you retard. And learn your fallacies, piss off, toilet.

>> No.6626241

>>6626232
>>6626227

have fun getting left behind

>> No.6626243

>>6626241
Have fun shitposting about the evil patriarchy on tumblr, fat fuck.

>> No.6626249

>>6626204
>healthy, normal males
The vents their resentment against women on 4chan you mean?
>whatever that might be, I don't know what you said
>I'm just lazy at this point
If you don't have anything to contribute, why even post?

>> No.6626256

>>6626249
>The vents their resentment against women on 4chan you mean?
This is exactly what I mean, you twist words around like a woman. It takes a special kind of feminine man to do this.
>If you don't have anything to contribute, why even post?
>If you're going to die one day, why even live?

>> No.6626261

>>6626232
>Feminism is bullshit in all its forms, go back to Frankfurt you retard
What does feminism have to do with Frankfurt?

>> No.6626266

>>6626249

This is definitely a cunt, not an effeminate man. Fuck off.

>> No.6626281

There is something seriously wrong with quite a few people here. There are also a ton of men that are sarcastic all the time and try to annoy each other. Or men that are so thick headed to never ever change even a bit of their opinion without the world falling apart. Nothing can get through them. Arguing with some of us is useless. We don't accept facts unless we thought of them by ourselves or thought about them for a really long time until finally accepting them. This is something all people do! We are all stupid and we don't want to hear about it because, after all, we are the ones who are always right. The stupidity of women you are talking about is basically the same as yours and the respect you feel towards other people is either fake (because you don't know the person at all) or real/childish(you know the person and are scared of changing them) You don't want to change because you like yourself too much. And you can't accept others because you think you're always right. When you're not accepted you think they are stupid. You spent too much time trying to make yourself yourself so now everyone different is stupid and not worthy your attention. That is really fucked up and I feel sorry for you. Some people are interested in the same things as you are and some just don't care about those things. That is quite normal. I'm seriously getting bored of writing this. Fuck off. I stopped caring about what you think in the middle of this. Just don't be a douche to women since they are as aware of the world as you are. Bye faggot

>> No.6626282

>>6626266
Was about to say this, pretending to be a guy online is even sadder because she knows that's the only way people will take her seriously.
>>6625365
This. Everybody who pointed out how a woman argues ITT was correct and this only proves it.

>> No.6626287

>>6626256
It's not twisting words, it's an accurate fucking observation. I've spent years of my life on this board, you cannot deny that this is exactly what they're doing, and that it is a sign of them not being normal, or healthy.

>> No.6626304

>>6626287
No, it's literally twisting my words because that's not what I said. That's what you said. I'm starting to think like >>6626266, more and more I'm convinced that you're a chick pretending to be a guy. Unless you're on hormones, this kind of underhand intellectual dishonesty is the modus operandi of a woman. No wonder you got so much heat on you, people instantly feel the need to shit on a tryhard harlot who thinks she's bossy.

>> No.6626320

>>6626282
>because she knows that's the only way people will take her seriously
You're basically conceding everything I said right there, and you're not even aware of it. But obviously, there is no way of proving I'm a guy short of a timestamped dick pic, which I'm not gonna do. But from your own prejudices, do you actually believe a chick would continue talking to you at this point? My prejudices certainly suggest otherwise.

>> No.6626331

>>6625459
>manocaust
>not androcaust
>he doesnt even combine latinate and judaic root words

>> No.6626332

>>6626304
>No, it's literally twisting my words because that's not what I said
You said healthy, normal guys are able to recognize girls. I said that the people I'm talking to cannot be characterized that way. How am I twisting your words?

>> No.6626339

>>6626320
I only remain more convinced you're a stupid bitch by the fact that you're still here. You're uber clingy to this subject and have to defend yourself against every single post directed to you. It takes a special kind of insecure man to do that and I don't think you are that kind of man, just a woman trying to pretend she's one. Fuck off.

>> No.6626343

>>6626331
There are no hebrew roots in either variant, retard. But admittedly, androcaust is better, as it is, sort of, an actual greek word.

>> No.6626347

>>6626332
They seem pretty normal to me, putting your foot down and claiming otherwise won't make it true. In this thread there were a couple of anomalies and you're the biggest one of them.

>> No.6626348

>>6625036
i had a customer today in front of whom i had to battle deeply within myself to resist the urge to say to him, "you look like jeff goldblum," because he did, but i wasn't sure he would be pleased to hear it.

>> No.6626351

>>6625007
can mods please adopt a policy of "delete oytis threads by default"

>> No.6626353

>>6626282

It's true.


>>6626320

Your last two sentences SCREAM that you're a woman. No man would say anything like that.

>> No.6626355

>>6626339
You're still here, too? What are you expecting, that I stop wasting my time on on 4chan while I still have it, even when someone is being retarded near me? Might as well suggest getting my shit together and stop arguing on the internet altogether, not likely to happen.

>> No.6626360

>>6626353
I'm off to sleep. "Arguing" with this bitch wasn't productive at all. You should all do the same, you'll learn nothing and end up like >>6625490 said, wondering how can some people be this stupid until you remember they're women.

>> No.6626368

There's a girl at my class who seems to be very arrogant and now she is walking with a copy of "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" everywhere. Today a teacher saw the book and said something like "Wow, so young and reading Nietzsche?! You're ahead of other people at your age. Read 'The Antichrist 'after it". I secretly became a little mad about it, to be honest.

>> No.6626374

>>6626355
Unlike you I'm not emotionally invested in this. I don't have to find a justification for arguing with someone. You instantly became defensive and tried to justify the why behind your retarded actions (arguing online).

I'll do what was suggested here
>>6626360
And fuck off to sleep too. A productive day awaits. The funniest thing is that you'll probably pat yourself on your fat back thinking you've "won" like your typical legbeard would. Enjoy it.

>> No.6626383

>>6626368
Unless you're in highschool this doesn't make sense. I only got complimented on reading Nietzsche when I was 15, any time after that it was expected of me.

>> No.6626390

>>6626347
>They seem pretty normal to me
Ok, then that's where we disagree I guess. That shit certainly isn't normal where I live, and it really doesn't seem healthy. Maybe you're biased because you agree with them?
>>6626353
>No man would say anything like that
Why not exactly?

>> No.6626395
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>THIS ONE FAT FUCKING CHICK IN THIS THREAD PRETENDING TO BE A MAN

>> No.6626398

>>6626374

Going eh?


>>6626390

No you're not, because you're cunt. Why not? You'll never know, you're not a man.

>> No.6626402

>>6625039
>If you actually don't think that he is medicore or boring, then it shouldn't bother you to hear someone else opinions. It should just spark a discussion.

This. I am sick of hearing complaints about things other people say when the person says nothing. Nothing at all. They just passively take on the comment so they can complain about it later. That's very damaging and it's unhealthy to just bottle things in like that.

>> No.6626421

>>6626398
>No you're not
The post you're replying to doesn't contain a sentence to which this answer would make any sense. Oh well, I should know better than to expect reading comprehension, on a literature board.

>> No.6626422

>>6626383
She's 17~19 yo. It's a preparatory course to enter college.

>> No.6626425

>>6625039

But we don't care what you think, you're a cook and skiv we fuck.

>> No.6626434

>>6626421

It was a punchline to my previous sentence, you dumb fucking whore.

>> No.6626438

>>6626383
Wow you're quite talented at boasting and being an egotist! Good job anon!

>> No.6626450

>>6626438

Don't try to be smart, rape-fodder.

>> No.6626462

>>6625027
Yeah that explains it
I'm irrationally hard on my ex's decisions and actions. I don't notice until I step out of my mind for a bit and realize I don't treat other women with that contempt (except for my other exs).

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>>6626368
i remember a substitute teacher made me very uncomfortable by repeatedly returning to my desk to remind me of how impressive it was that i was reading a clockwork orange in 7th grade
>asked if i'd gotten to the "naughty bits" yet
>said no
>"oh, you're in for a treat!"

>> No.6626473

>>6626450
Don't be butt hurt just because I know what you are.

>> No.6626491

Can someone link this thread to a feminist on Tumblr? It would extremely interesting too see the reaction

>> No.6626497

>>6626491
It would be extremely painful

>> No.6626498

>>6625330
>you take a reductivist stance
>and assume the worst
Just like OP did? If she's a misandrist for this reason then he _is_ a misogynist for doing the same.

>> No.6626503

>>6626491
How about you no? Besides, Drake Bell and Vince Vaughn have made tumblr mad for an entire week. Stop being an epic, edgy 16 year old provocateur "xD".

>> No.6626522

>>6626497
Good

>>6626503
That hurt my feelings a bit. Thank you very much. ":'("

>> No.6626539

>>6625523
>there's lots of ways in which life sucks for men
But you are never denied your right to be perceived as thinking humans. Feminism is no longer about good conditions/bad conditions (economical freedom sure is great), it is about intellectual respect, which women are denied.

Shit, read the fucking thread. Are you really going to tell me there is absolutely no notion, in most men, that women are inferior?

I just wish sexist people would admit they are sexist rather than arguing that sexism does not exist.

>> No.6626551

>>6626539
>it is about intellectual respect, which women are denied.
Rightfully so. If you think this somehow justifies third wave feminism you have brain damage. People in this thread admit they are sexist. I admit it. If by sexist you mean "realist" regarding women's capabilities, then I'm the sexistest motherfucker who ever walked the planet. Fuck off you mangina purse holder.

>> No.6626554

>>6626539
sexism exists, its just scientific fact so you cant fault me for being sexist. its just natural. primates are patriarchal.

>> No.6626563

>>6626554
Death is natural. Killing is natural. Why are we preventing them?

>> No.6626566

>>6626554
>its just natural
so are rape, theft, murder, infanticide, genocide, you name it. bad argument. also, fallacious: appeal to nature.

>> No.6626573

>>6626551
>justifies third wave feminism
Nah, nothing justifies it. I'm against sexism but I also hate current feminism.

>People in this thread admit they are sexist
Not really. Or did you miss all the "I'm not a misogynist!" a few posts above?

But well, if you admit it then that's fine with me. Have a nice evening, sir.

>> No.6626598

>>6626554
Ecology is the new opiate of the masses. People think everything in nature is balanced. This is not correct. Nature is chaotic and nothing is balanced. It is constant chaos.

Some people are stupid some people are not. It doesn't matter if they are male or female. You being a sexist is not really justified. I would also not be surprised if you were racist, but I wouldn't like to get into things I know nothing about.

>> No.6626613

>>6626573
Because misogyny isn't sexist. The former defines itself as hatred of women (opposing misandry), the latter has nothing to do with hatred, it's the natural order of things and it has been so since the dawn of societies worldwide.

>> No.6626621

>>6626573
Sexism is not the same as misogyny, which is being a woman-hater. Even saying women aren't as bright as men doesn't make you a woman-hater anymore than saying dogs aren't as bright as people makes you a dog-hater. I would say all misogynists are sexists, but to say the reverse is exaggerating.

>> No.6626623

>>6626598
Obviously I'm racist, racism is a perfectly natural and an appropriate human behavior.

>> No.6626627

>>6626613
It's ok, anon, I'm sure denying a person their right to be a person has nothing to do with hatred. You can go on your merry way.

>> No.6626629

>>6626598
epic shitpost sir

>> No.6626635

>>6626627
Nice strawman meme, anon. You can go on your merry way too.

>> No.6626638

>>6626621
>I would say all misogynists are sexists, but to say the reverse is exaggerating.
I claimed no such thing. Now let us stop arguing semantics, my point was merely that not everyone admits to being sexist and the misogyny argument you had before was simply a way to illustrate this denial because I'm way too high to bother looking for a better example.

>> No.6626646

>>6626635
>it's the natural order of things
>>6626551
>Rightfully so
> "realist" regarding women's capabilities

There's no strawman here. You quite literally said it.

>> No.6626652

>>6626638
But I'm not a misogynist. In fact I'm not even consciously sexist, at least no more than other men are due to general experience.

Even wanting to subjugate a people doesn't mean you hate them. Misogyny got popularized because it was actually a thing most men shunned, even if they were sexist, so it carried more value as an accusation. But its use has become so inflated that it's becoming a joke, and an easy way to identify people who like to exaggerate, even if the person using it doesn't know any better. That will happen with the word "rape" too, if feminists are not careful.

>> No.6626658

>>6626646
Yes, I'm sure telling someone they're dumb is literally denying their right to exist, how wrong was I!

>/lit/ brags about being the smartest board on 4chan
>Yet you have people unironically defending 3rd wave feminism
>Yet you have people who are so easily offended at defining, unfiltered human traits
>Yet you have people who have consumed so much pop trash literature they embrace these "values" without questioning them one bit
Only /co/ is worse and at least they don't pretend to be smart.

>> No.6626660

>>6625490
>"arguing" with them knowing full and well the discourse will devolve into insecure sarcastic remarks, eye rolls and emotional bullshit that will end up with crying or you leaving for a drive wondering how can a single human being be this stupid.
Perfect summary of how a woman "debates".

>> No.6626665

>>6626652
I'm also going to throw out the word "misandry". You see how stupid it tends to sound? That's because it was popularized AS an exaggeration term. That's where the term "misogyny" is heading.

>> No.6626666

>>6626660
which is something OP certainly missed because he's trying to argue with the ones ITT
talk about beta

>> No.6626669

>>6626666
Not all women argue like that. Certainly my current girlfriend does not.

>> No.6626671

>>6625555
>>6626666
Good show

>> No.6626675

>>6626669
all women do it
wait until you get tired of the current one
even moms do it that way you sweet summer child faggot

>> No.6626679

>>6626652
I am not the anon who was calling you a misogynist, please stop defending yourself pointlessly.

>Misogyny got popularized because it was actually a thing most men shunned, even if they were sexist, so it carried more value as an accusation.
Could you please explain? I have now to admit I don't quite understand what would classify as misogyny. I guess we are talking about sexism-motivated aggression (physical, verbal, emotional etc) and if we go with that then the systematic denial of the notion that women are thinking humans qualifies. But of course, please provide a definition for the word and example of misogyny.

>> No.6626680

>>6626660
what a shining example of the way a "man" "debates"

>> No.6626681

>>6626675
My mother just screamed really loud.

>> No.6626685

>>6626680
>Proving anon's point

>> No.6626690

>>6626658
>denying their right to exist
Can't you read?

>unironically defending 3rd wave feminism
>embrace these "values" without questioning them one bit
Yeah, you can't read for shit. Stop allowing spiteful emotions to cloud your perception, it's terribly embarrassing, especially when you are making a point about being more logical and intellectually superior.

>> No.6626691

>>6626679
I'm mean bearing a hatred for women. Saying "women are better in the home than doing a man's job" is sexist. Saying "women are backstabbing whores" is misogynistic.

>> No.6626695

>>6626690
>UH, CAN'T YOU READ???
Nice argument.
>>>/lgbt/
Stick to your feelings threads, lady.

>> No.6626697

>>6626691
What about "men are better than women"?

>> No.6626703

>>6626697
3rd Grade

>> No.6626706

>>6626695
>ad hominem
There is nothing to argue against. I never said any of those things (right to exist is not the same as the right to be considered a person) and I expressly said I did not agree with 3rd wave feminism, but you chose to ignore every last bit of it, proving you can not read without bias. And now you are mocking me with dumb caps lock, ad hominem and other such emotional responses.

>> No.6626711

>>6626706
Holy shit, you're the same dyke from earlier pretending to be a man aren't you?? Because you don't know what ad hominem is yet you feel the need to yell it whenever you *FEEL* insulted.
Fuck off you fat legbeard.

>> No.6626715

>>6626706
Another anon here. Let's just end this thread please. It hurts to watch and I can't keep my eyes off it.

>> No.6626728

>>6626711
I am not pretending to be a man, I'm at peace with my vagina. Why were you assuming I am a man? I even said "you are not denied the right to be perceived as thinking humans", clearly situating myself outside the male group.

I haven't posted on lit about sexism in a long while so no, I'm not whoever that person is. But good point, you're right, there was no ad hominem on that particular post.
>Fuck off you fat legbeard.
Now, THIS is ad hominem.

Well, you admitted to being sexism now please kindly admit you failed to read my posts and instead ignored what I said in order to attack a strawman.

>> No.6626733

>>6626728
>Now, THIS is ad hominem.
So you admit to being a fat legbeard? Fuckin lol. Piss off, I don't waste my time taking women seriously IRL, let alone online. Shoo shoo, go be outraged about being "denied basic rights" somewhere else, attention whoring cunt.

>> No.6626735

>>6626715
I'm sorry, I'm high and it is always so entertaining to watch people claim others are emotional, or that they argue rolling eyes and spouting gratuitous offenses or strawmans and then... well, going ahead and doing exactly the same thing.

>> No.6626738

>>6625071
I think it's safe to say that you've never read a single of his works, you incredible idiot.

>> No.6626739

>>6626735
>>6626715
See, this >>6626733 is what I mean. It is adorable how blind some men are.

>> No.6626743

>>6626733
Wow anon... what you just said is quite retarded and gay. You might want to lose a virginity or two.

>> No.6626744

>>6626735
Like, omg, can you even? Literally?
And then you wonder why those pesky evil men don't take you seriously when you talk like a retard. Expect equal treatment when you put forth equal behavior. No one's mad at you, the entire thread is laughing at you but somehow your tiny brain interprets that as anger.

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>>6626743
>>6626739
See >>6625365
>Nothing else to say
>Resort to my holes
God damn, you bitches with sand in your vaginas sure are mad as fuck.

>Mfw you got told throughout the thread non-stop and now as a last resort you yell "VIRGIIIIN"

>> No.6626756

>>6625007
>dismissing the man who wrote The Republic
Back to /pleb/ with you

>> No.6626757

>>6626748
I'm the guy who yelled virgin. It just felt right. It's not my last resort. I simply don't give a fuck. Have fun

>> No.6626763

>>6626744
Where did I say anyone was angry at me?

>Expect equal treatment when you put forth equal behavior
Well, I am still being polite despite all the uncalled for offenses, deliberate disregard of what I said and lack of actual arguments besides "lel not going to take you seriously". I expected you would start doing the same, but guess not.

You turned aggressive and personal all of a sudden, too. Am I being baited? I never know whether people are serious about this subject or just trolling, because so many people think exactly like you that differentiating is hard and many baits are swallowed. Being woman sure is suffering.
Now go make that joke about swallowing, you know you want to.

>> No.6626765

sice when r/theredpill visits this place?

>> No.6626773

>>6626748
God, you are retarded. I'm the "fat legbeard dyke" (truth is I'm a skellington, but yes, my legs are quite hairy, but that's okay in my case, cause I have a dick) btw, she, the one you're replying to, isn't me. Tbh it's quite entertaining how you fall back on the same rethoric every time, without realizing that all it does is mark you as intellectually inferior by default.

>> No.6626774

>>6626748
The virgin yeller again. You didn't argue "like a man" throughout this thread.

>> No.6626775

>>6626748
>throughout the thread
This >>6626539 was quite literally my first post here. Also, I'm not the one with nothing else to say.

I did not "resort to my holes" either, that wasn't me. I am no sexist and I believe shaming men for being virgins or claiming that they are bitter because they are virgins/beta/not getting laid is incredibly toxic and should be avoided at all costs.

>> No.6626778

>>6626763
>Where did I say anyone was angry at me?
>UR EMOTIONAL
>U AGGRESSIVE
Your cognitive dissonance is qt. Expected from a woman, but qt.
Sweety, no. There are no arguments to be taken seriously here, you're just a silly girl inflating your chest telling that you should be taken seriously. And believe me, this is the board to do it, it's the home to the most pretentious, pseudo-intellectual babies with identity crisis on 4chan. So if you're going to act like you are right now, this is the place.

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>>6626773
Mangina pls. Go whiteknight somewhere else, you come across as a pseudo-intellectual baby trying to make ladies swoon online.

>Literally you

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>>6626780
Projecting much, virgin?

>> No.6626788

>>6626778
>most pretentious, pseudo-intellectual babies
Projecting?

>> No.6626790

>>6626788
Considering that's the first thing that grabbed your attention, I'd say you identify with it.

>> No.6626791

>>6626778
Aggressive is not the same as angry. Do you need a dictionary? And yes, the caps lock and offenses are highly emotional responses. Or are you going to tell me that "lel u fat tube of lard" is a perfectly valid argument, based on logic and reasoning?

I don't even know how to address the rest of your post. Thank you for telling me I'm in the right place, I guess? I'm so happy anon-senpai allowed me to stay in this board.

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>>6626786
>>6626788
This is amazing. We used the same attack and it was equally ineffective

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>>6626782
>Mangina
>uses fedora pic
THAT IS NOT HOW YOU DO IT DUMBSHIT

>> No.6626799

>>6626788
its true though, /lit/ is good for occasional recommendations and banter but most people here don't discuss literature beyond namedropping

>> No.6626809

>>6626790
Your quick response tells me you're upset. Must be because the truth I said hurts you.

>> No.6626812

/thread

Please stop this. /lit is not a place for 12 year olds