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Is math a product of language?

>> No.6516925

>>6516921
No, language is a product of math. Math is the language of the universe.

>> No.6516926

Go to bed, Ludwig.

>> No.6516930

>>6516921
Math skills are localized to the same areas of the brain that control language. Do with that information what you will.

>> No.6516932

>>6516925
>Math is the language of the universe.

It really isn't.

>> No.6516935

>>6516925
Why?
>>6516932
Why not?

>> No.6516954

how can there be numbers when you can break a mirror into pieces abstractly and concretely

think about it

>> No.6516957

>>6516954
Go to bed, Jaden.

>> No.6516960

>>6516954
Deep.

>> No.6516962

go to bed anon

>> No.6516963

>>6516925
>implying that mathematics isn't a purely human concept and has any bearing outside of our application

>> No.6516968

>>6516921
That picture of the dog always makes me laugh when I see it

>> No.6516969

>>6516921
Quantitative understanding doesn't require language skills. A lion can tell the difference between one water buffalo and one hundred without verbalizing it in the least. Likewise, she can know that a group of four buffalo can be effectively split into two groups of two, again without language. This is simple arithmetic, of course, but it counts.

However, the human academic practice of mathematics relies very heavily on symbolic reasoning. The difference between the numerals 1 and 100, for example, requires one to understand the symbolic importance of the tens and hundreds place. I would argue that this uses many of the same fundamental ideas as language and writing, and that math as we understand it in the modern (or hell, even medieval) sense would not be possible without some grasp of language.

>> No.6516971

>>6516925
>>6516932
>Math is the language of the universe.
No. Math is a language that can be used to describe the universe. Math, however, is not a human language; it is constructed from first principles, non-human ones. That makes it different from all other kids of 'language' we might typically talk about.

>> No.6516979

>>6516968
shibas are p. cute

>> No.6517062

>>6516921
No, but we couldn't have math if we didn't have language. To expand on that, if we could not communicate ideas to each other we would have never moved forward in anything.

Language > Everything

>> No.6517173

>>6516921
Is the dressed dog is a face or the future of mathematics?

>> No.6517176

i dont know but math sure as hell isnt objective

>> No.6517181

Math is subjective because we do it with our brains

>> No.6517186

>>6517062

and if we didn't have math we wouldn't be able to live the life that we live today, your point ?

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6517189

>>6517176
>>6517181

>> No.6517192

>>6517186
Go to bed, Plato.

>> No.6517193

>>6517186
>your point ?
Is that Language is the most important aspect of human life.

>> No.6517230

>>6517189
Who the fuck is that guy?

>> No.6517269

>>6517181
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>> No.6517306

>>6516969

I remember reading a study a while back that said that up to a certain number, I think it was 5-7, we can "count" things automatically, without algorithmically iterating each one. It's kind of like how you perceive whole words, rather than letters, when you read. But for numbers above that, you need true counting skills, which require abstract reasoning and the use of numbers as linguistic constructs.

So while you're probably right about the lions, I don't think that really counts as math.

>> No.6517307

So math, in the words of Plato is the understanding of the world of 'The Good'. Not reasoning with it, per se, but understanding. There are many thinkers who say in order to understand philosophy, one must first contemplate mathematics, as the foundation of understanding the divine realm of God.

Mathematics, as it is derived, is the study of relationships through the physical realm. In my opinion, it has no relation to language, which is the transference of ideas and concepts. The two are discrete.

>> No.6517369

>>6516921
Is math a product of the human mind?

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>> No.6518067

>>6516935
because axiom of choice doesn't real and nobody understands continuum

>> No.6519792

>>6516921
Maths is the empirically observable exteriority of the world around us. Language is the interpreted interiority of the subject in phenomenology.

>> No.6519850

>>6516921
math and language are only similar insomuch as they both use a system of signs to represent things