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Is philosophy a gateway to poor mental health?
Ever since I started studying philosophy, my mind is constantly buzzing with an inner dialogue of endless questions. It keeps me from sleeping and makes me detached from the physical "here and now". I'm starting to think the best philosophy is to avoid philosophy and just experience life on the beautiful, surface level (that's all the can assume to know, anyhow. Turn off your mind and stop pondering the metaphysical questions out hunter-gatherer minds weren't intended for. the only "virtue" in compulsive curiosity is being a sacrificial lamb.

>> No.6473292

>not enjoying suffering and internal strife

Top pleb

>> No.6473297

maybe you should get a job and some friends

>> No.6473298

>>6473292

The over romanticized inner strive is nothing compared to the intrinsic bliss of a clear mind merely experiencing.

>> No.6473303

>>6473297
All that does it make you tired

>> No.6473311

>>6473298
lol i'm just joshing you bb

philosophy is just a means of rationalizing the void of meaninglessness that is existence so just do what works for you

>> No.6473312

>>6473298
You mean the intrinsic bliss of Ignorance?

>> No.6473319

>>6473303
then eat better and exercise

>> No.6473320

>>6473312
What is the difference between pure experience and ignorance?

>> No.6473324

>>6473281
>hunter-gatherer minds weren't intended for.
Intended for by whom?

>>6473311
If existence is meaningless, how is anything moving at all?

>> No.6473328

>>6473324
>If existence is meaningless, how is anything moving at all?
check and mate

>> No.6473330

“Philosophy does not serve the State or the Church, who have other concerns. It serves no established power. The use of philosophy is to sadden. A philosophy that saddens no one, that annoys no one, is not a philosophy. It is useful for harming stupidity, for turning stupidity into something shameful.”

>> No.6473333

>>6473324

"Intended" by the characteristic of our own neurobiology in relation to what constitutes optimal health.

I'm using intended in the colloquial not deontological sense,

>> No.6473336

This might be a rambling of a derranged lunatic, but the way I found it, truth is not necessarily beautiful, at least when viewed from an inferior perspective. If you really start asking the proper questions, you might begin to see things which are quite frankly horrible and soul-crushing. But along with that, it should show you too the light at the end of the tunnel; the trapdoor in the sun.

If you can go and 'turn off your mind', then I guess it's really up to you. Personally couldn't do it even if I wanted to. Because so far, even with all the ugly stuff, it's all really, really worth it. But that's just my experience.

>> No.6473337

>>6473330
What about Stirner

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>>6473320
The absence of guidance.

>> No.6473345

>>6473337
stirner is not philosophy, stirner is love

>> No.6473349

>>6473281

Maybe I find life on its surface level boring and uneventful and through philosophy find beauty and mental clarity. Your problem is not that our "hunter gatherer minds" are too limited to do philosophy, it's that you're too much of a pleb to understand and accept a coherent philosophical outlook. If our minds were limited to only what hunter-gatherers are capable of, then how do you explain the immense complexity of science, mathematics, language, and culture? You're not evening doing philosophy: you're just indulging in baseless skepticism. Don't project your own failures onto the human mind and the practice of philosophy. Believe it or not, some people can actually find insight and fulfillment because of it. If reading philosophy makes you feel mentally ill, either kill yourself or put the book down. Abstract thought is not for everyone :^)

>> No.6473350

You just have to come to expect constant metamorphoses, constant becoming.

>> No.6473355

Sometimes when reading the more edgy passages in Nietzsche I can feel my heart rate increase dramatically...

>> No.6473360

Lol OP you actually fell for it. The first rule of studying philosophy is don't

>> No.6473361

>>6473330
>muh hispanic aphorist

>> No.6473366

>>6473361
> hispanic

Fuck this got me

>> No.6473368

>>6473311
>philosophy is just a means of rationalizing the void of meaninglessness that is existence
people that say this shit are completely insufferable.

>> No.6473370

>>6473281

>not reading Heidegger

You will become grounded in the world

>> No.6473388

The trick is to truly accept the world for what it is whilst simultaneously letting go of past romanticisms about what the world *should be* like.

Then you can build happiness from the ground up with an honest awareness of the world we live in.

>> No.6473401

constant Introspection is not good, but you might fool yourself that you are better off with it, in the end chek yo self or rek yo self.

>> No.6473594

You phrased pretty well the reason I stopped philosophy and literary criticism to focus on raw literature.

I also added to that the fact that no philosophy can be proven at the end of, that none of it is ultimately convincing, that most of it is just gazing at the stars, and that it doesn't tackle issues I care about, but rather issues I was told to care about.

>> No.6473596

>>6473281
You´ve done good Anon.
http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/Voltaire's%20Story%20Of%20The%20Good%20Brahmin.htm

>> No.6473621

>>6473388
this is exactly how I feel

>> No.6473715

>>6473281

Is poor mental health a gateway to philosophy?

>> No.6473724
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>>6473281

>> No.6473732

>>6473350
Always
Be
Coming

>> No.6473842

I just feel the need for a brief rant.

>>6473281
All forms of academia are madness. It's over-thinking at its finest.

Is there a conceivable end to new ways of thinking about anything and everything? We end up with such endless ramifications and specializations as to warrant the idealizing (pseudo-?) pan-intellectual who can't tie himself down to any one pursuit. The tragic irony is that this jack-of-all trades figure is perhaps noble in his interest in all things yet both incapable of ever experiencing all things and unwilling to know any one thing in its entirety. Choice and uncertainty is the plague of the modern man.

"Turn off your mind" isn't the answer, either. You can't do everything, but what's that to stop you from doing something?

Go mad in your mind, sit there and be, sense or just do. These appear to be 4 paths (analysis, being, experience and creation). You are impermanent and you aren't god-like, so what can you expect? May as well do all in a moderate capacity (perhaps until you find a muse).

tl;dr
>Is philosophy a gateway to poor mental health?
On its own, yes. You just need to find or create a balanced life-style.

>> No.6473858

>>6473298

>being a boring cardboard bread loaf is better than having interesting character

>> No.6473879

>>6473281

Yeah. I'm beginning to think that excessive introspection—which more or less accompanies all abstract thought—leads to diminished mental health. Obviously, Nietzsche thought otherwise: that the inward suffering which arises from 'digging' into oneself could produce positive results; but even he acknowledged that there are limitations to it.

>> No.6473908

I do introspection when i'm masturbating. On one side of my brain i'm doing my visual fantasies while in the other I ponder about why i have that fantasy and if other men do the same or it's just me

>> No.6473945

>>6473349
>too much of a pleb to understand
>You're not evening doing
>either kill yourself or put the book down
sigh

also, we only see science(and whatever else) as complex because we are too retarded to see it simply

Read the first "chapter" or whatever of Ecclesiastes. If some desert fuck from the 4th century BC can relate to the same negative pathos of most of the world 2,500 years later then how smart are we?

>> No.6473971

>>6473908
if i smoke weed and masturbate i will stop in the middle of jerking it to pontificate and forget what i was doing.

the worst thing is when critical theorists pop into your head when you're jerking off, and you start thinking about zizek's big other supplement for your masturbation fantasies.

>> No.6473982

>>6473908
>fapping
>start to think about X terrible memory
>implications, feelings
>slow down to a halt
>motionless
>snap out of it and contiue

>> No.6474049

>>6473971
>>6473908

>start thinking about zizek's big other supplement for your masturbation fantasies.

Yes this, this is what i meant lel

>> No.6475475

>>6473292
if you enjoy suffering, then by definition you aren't experiencing suffering

>> No.6475491

Philosophy is something you should dabble in but never get into very deeply if you wan't to live with any sort of happiness or value to society.

>> No.6475519

>>6473281

Meh, life is boring without philosophical tension. It is also the gift that keeps on giving. It's probably the only thing you can do where it is actually a positive that you just figured out how to make the last 3 years of your work invalid. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

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>>6473982

I thought that only happened to me.

>> No.6475590

>>6473594
>the fact that no philosophy can be proven at the end
>not understanding the purpose of analytic philosophy
>pleb.jpg

>> No.6476183
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6476183

Just take a seat, take a break from reading and over-thinking and calm down for a little bit.

>> No.6476293

>>6475590
But since there is no way to test if the method of thinking is flawless in itself since you cant test something with itself, theres no possibillity to prove anything

>> No.6476333

>>6473724
This. It depends on the philosophy.

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>>6473982
>>6475523
iktf

>> No.6476567

>>6473345
It's all egore now

>> No.6476577

>>6473594
>implying that no philosophy is perfect yet to be a criticism rather than a reason to strive onwards and upwards

Pleb, go back to animism then.

>> No.6476589

>>6473908
I do this. I have pages of notes for "the good life" I've come up with while taking a walk. I'm at my least inhibited and anxious when I do it

>> No.6476602

>>6475475
I don't know about that. Take for example yesterday I forced myself to stay in aN extremely hot sauna for 20 minutes. I was in extreme discomfort for the last 5 minutes but also a feeling accompanied that pain of satisfaction that I was sitting in it and not running from it.
Feelings are often not black and white as you seem to allude to

>> No.6477069

>>6476602
You may have felt discomfort/pain, but not suffering. Suffering would have been being kept in that sauna against your will. When you enjoy pain it is not suffering.

>> No.6477077

>>6477069
I didn't enjoy the pain, I enjoyed being a person who was putting up with pain. Not the pain itself. Plus, if you look at a dictionary definition, suffering isn't as sharply defined a word as you seem to think

>> No.6477084

A lot of the phil grads I know suffer from depression and bipolar. And they all seem to drink far more than average.

>> No.6477510

>>6473388
But it's difficult anon ;_;

>> No.6477515

>>6477510
I know, but we all have to try very hard or things won't get better.

>> No.6477523

>>6477515
Thank you, I needed to hear that.

>> No.6477584

since i started readig philosophy ive become addicted to drugs pornography infedility video games and unhealthy food

>> No.6477588

*infedility

>> No.6477598

How to live tutorial for men:
-Read the Iliad
-Think about the character of Hektor long and often
-Systematically eliminate all weakness, rancour, moral impurity, and softness within yourself
-Honor God and study the Bible
-Contribute as much as possible to your family, your immediate community, and your nation
-Realize that the lesser men who would mock your atavistic morality would fail to meet your gaze in public

>> No.6477601

>>6477584
That's called being a Student.

>> No.6477616

>>6477598
You forgot "Have sweaty Bara sex with other muscular warrior-philosophers"

>> No.6477619

>>6477077
>I didn't enjoy the pain, I enjoyed being a person who was putting up with pain.
You enjoyed the situation in some way at least, my point remains the same.

>Plus, if you look at a dictionary definition, suffering isn't as sharply defined a word as you seem to think
You should never use dictionaries prescriptively. They're works of reference in order to find out the common way words are used, not guidelines in philosophical debate and in no way binding.

>> No.6477623

>>6477598
t. /pol/tard

>> No.6477712

>>6477598
Get dragged around the walls. Because we're working to ensure the family doesn't exist. You wouldn't let us have a revolution. We won't let you have your aryan queen. We will work in ruthless combination to ensure that one day, you will get your cuck. It will come to you, swiftly, utterly without mercy, and paralyzingly personal. That is your fate if you study Hector. Better study wily Odysseus and listen to the siren song with his oarsmen's ears blocked. Proceed as you always have, empty your balls with prostitutes and give what is due to marriage by helping us destroy it however you can. Odysseus doesn't get cucked. Make that your fate.

>> No.6477729

>>6477598
>being a christian
>not being soft and weak mentally

pick one

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6477732

>>6477712

>> No.6477736

>>6477729
(guy who hasn't read the Bible)

>> No.6477747

>>6477732
You laugh. Yes. You think the pain of being cucked is a joke.

>> No.6477748

>>6477736
Turn the other cheek bitch.

>> No.6477758

>>6477736
>turn le other cheek
>thou shalt not kill
>don't say bad words
>don't even look at another mans wife or you're a baddy
>better yet cut out your eyes
>when another man fucks your bitch forgive him
>r-render onto ceasar whatever he asks
>give your shit to other people when they want it
>be a poorfag and humble and pray secretly in your closet
>etc etc

beta as fuck

>> No.6477770

I like Sci Fi and I never studied philosophy.

I sometimes get greyed out when I think about the world around me and all the questions I don't know the answer to.

In the end I just came to think that I would try to do my part in pushing this strange and vulgar thing called life as far and wide across the galaxy as I can. I saw some generic image that said "We are the Galaxy experiencing itself," And however vague it may be, that is probably worth propagating as all life can do is propagate.

>> No.6477786

>>6473281
sounds like the philosophy of taoism

>> No.6477787

>>6477758
>god unleashing plagues on whoever crosses his people
>god's chosen people genociding canaanites for their iniquity towards the lord
>entire books about israelite tribal warlords battling for political dominance
>orders to execute those who commit adultery
read the bible bro

>> No.6477789

>being THIS shackled in the cave
i truly pity you.

>> No.6477795

>>6473281
Mental health is a social construct. You would know that if you read philosophy

>> No.6477808

>>6477787
Is writing a book about religion and man's desire to understand his place in the world too edgy for sci-fi?

I really wanna start but I always feel its too "Kiddy writes first story"

>> No.6477817

>>6477787
>conveniently forgetting about the new testament where God himself comes to earth in the form of a hippie carpenter, says it's all different now and tells everyone to be good little boys and girls

>> No.6477822

>>6477598
[atavistic morality intensifies]

>> No.6477830

Hey op,
just read the first 10 posts of this thread and was just like wtf.
i started to study philosophy in 2007 and left university 2012 whithout any degree to work on a fruit farm. Im far happier now. Try manual labor. You can still think about everything while driving a tractor but its not that important anymore.
Best wishes from germany op

>> No.6477833

>>6477822
For true atavistic morality one should look towards street gangs tbh.

>> No.6477836

>>6473324
>If existence is meaningless, how is anything moving at all?

I'm late to the party, but can somebody explain this?

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6477843

>>6477598
>mfw

>> No.6477853

>>6473281
All Thing are Nothing to Me, [including the words and spooks of other philosophers, who elevate philosophy above themselves]

>> No.6477869

>>6473281
Are you one of those fags that try to get in philosophy to be seen "Deep" by people
For example: WOW I'm So philosophical!!1!! XD

>> No.6477880

Example of a Christian - Charlemagne the Great
Example of an atheist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGnEHBiEjDk

>> No.6477922

>>6477836
He's labouring under the mistaken belief that things only happen because of purpose or meaning.

Y'know, as opposed to approaching it from the sensible end, which is, things happen, which means potentially some of it could mean something. But probably not.

>> No.6478390

>>6476293
that's not really the point though fagtron

>> No.6478423

>>6477770
study it you shite or you'll always be confined to shallow superficial banal shit that doesn't mean anything nor does it even try to mean anything -- all it (= the shallow vague shit) does is placate/mollify (barely/hardly at all/as only a milquetoast/coward would: only enough to convince yourself, to relieve you of that bit of cognitive dissonance you feel whenever you come here, because Lord on high knows this is where you read the most lucid shit you've ever read, which isn't saying much at all, because it's fucking 4chan) that egotistical yearn for 'meaning' and 'purpose' and 'a proper place in the world', which is all just an socio-evolutionary instinct to want others to want you, you pathetic beta shit: I hate you and your kind.

>> No.6478431

>>6477880
> one of the greatest men of europe
> one of the silliest men of western society
nice

>> No.6478445

>>6477787
read the new testament bro

>> No.6478527

>>6473370
Heidegger's writing style is itself meditative and circular, though not mindless repetition. I can read a section from Being and Time and think about it all day.

Reading Deleuze made me fucking crazy.

Reading Schmitt and Foucault makes me feel militant as fuck.

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>>6477619

>> No.6480173

>>6477922
Or they move because of an endless quest for meaning, even though there is none to be found.

>> No.6480184

I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe it it is because I wouldn't say I'm normal but I get happy as fuck reading philosophy. Just the amazement that somebody came up with the text I'm reading feels fantastic.

>tfw after some thinking it clicks
>tfw you agree
>tfw you disagree

>> No.6480191

>>6477598

>mindlessly accept my opinion of how people should live their lives

'no'

>> No.6480225

I dunno bro, reading philosophy has helped my mental health tremendously, it wiped out all the piss poor reasoning that supported my previous beliefs (conspiracy theories, magical thinking etc.) and re-connected me to reality. Or at least, reading the work of people much smarter than I made me realise that I didn't know shit and I was living in a fantasy world of grandiose, narcissistic delusion.

>> No.6480275

>>6477619
guidelines, in no way binding.. but according to you my way of using it is false even though it involves pain and discomfort and the use of the word suffering in a sense which has been used by plenty of philosophers and yours is correct

hmmm

>> No.6480304

>>6477619
So people who are getting brutally tortured for information and are satisfied on some level because they are people who are able to keep it in, that's categorically not suffering?

>> No.6480316

>>6473281
>Is philosophy a gateway to poor mental health?
No, it's the other way around.

>> No.6480321

Drop the continental shit. It will rot your mind.

>> No.6480325

>>6473292
>Joy through suffering
Fascist spotted.

>> No.6480327

>>6473732
Share the load.

>> No.6480332

>>6473858
>being a sad loser is 'interesting'
you are a tripfag so i suppose that makes sense

>> No.6480347

>>6480225
Who did you read brother?

>> No.6480368

Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>> No.6480370

>>6477084
cuz they're poor

>> No.6480373

>>6473336
>The thread
should've ended after this

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6480378

>>6480184
>tfw you'll always have the joy of reading

>> No.6480395

>>6480275
I'm not saying it is objectively false of course, but I consider my way of using it to be superior because in that way you can make a distinction between pain, discomfort and suffering, which serves to be more explanatory of certain situations than just equating them all and oversimplifying things.

>>6480304
The getting tortured causes them suffering, the holding back information despite it pleases them. This is wholly different from someone who deliberately seeks out situations of discomfort for the very reason that the idea of withstanding discomfort pleases him.

>> No.6480415

>>6477598
From:
>Systematically eliminate all weakness, rancour, moral impurity, and softness within yourself
To:
>Honor God and study the Bible


This is weak. Weak and sad.

>> No.6480422

>>6477584
Easy there now don't blame it on philosophy. It's because you cannot resist the "easy addictions" presented by people who knows how to manipulate "lower people". You have to fight your weaknesses. Except for drugs of course, that is another subject, and it's okay.

>>6477601
Fucking learn to cook.

>> No.6480442

>>6476293
Mhh I don't see your argument. Are you saying that there is no way to tell that logic = truth ?

>> No.6480458

>>6476567
Post of the century right here.

>> No.6480468

>>6477808
Write it, don't worry about what public perception will be.

>> No.6480473

>>6480395
well, you said 'by definition not suffering'. Which is all i'm disputing. It is just by your apparent definition which you think of to be superior despite the fact is used in the sense i am using it very often, not just by the dictionary but by philosophers as well. Just because you like the way you use it more doesn't make how i and others use it wrong or inferior. That's just how the word can and does work in language. Your feelings about whether it should or should not be used in that way are irrelevant because they are.

>> No.6480487

>>6480395
also, not the guy you were replying to but your definition didn't state anything about intention, just because the person being tortured doesn't want to be there doesn't change the fact that now he's in it, he's following his principles and experiencing something which seems to me to be worth the title of 'suffering'.

Your distinction was that if he gets enjoyment out of it then it's not suffering, that was all. In this situation, he is and you are calling it suffering.

The fact that he didn't seek it out doesn't play into your definition

>> No.6480521

>>6480473
I like the way I use it more because in that way language functions in a more concise way and is more able to differentiate between different meanings.

Although even in the conventional way of using the word you would have a hard time telling people sitting in the sauna voluntarily is suffering.

>> No.6480580

>>6473281

Philosophy is a gateway to not being smart enough to do math since the 19th century.

>> No.6480640

>>6480580
Yeah, like that idiot Einstein who adored Schopenhauer, and the half-wit Gödel who tried to create a monadology based on God and inspired by Leibniz. If only they had understood math they would have seen how stupid philosophy was.

>> No.6480655

>>6480640
Don't forget Wittgensteins homeboy Ramsey and the whole Vienna crowd Gödel stemmed from.

>> No.6480973

>>6473281
>Is philosophy a gateway to poor mental health?

There's a shitton of threads like this one and I always just reply: YES.

It is. I mean, a devoted study of it is definitely gonna fuck with your sanity. Basically, as long as your life's on a stable track you shouldn't have a problem reading philosophy. You'll understand it and apply this beautiful stable collection of systems that you've learned to your stable little world and it'll all be nice. Death and meaninglessness will seem meaningful, you'll be rational about irrationality and knowing about the unknowable. People will not act according to your ideals, but your ideals will be able to account for that and you'll still feel like you're, in a way, in control.

But once shit starts happening in your life, once you're plucked away from this ideal ivory tower of a motionless observer from a motionless point in space, you'll feel doubly insane, like getting out of bed and climbing onto a roller-coaster.

If your mind loses this blissful stability so will your knowledge. You'll start doubting it, jumping from idea to idea, system to system, not sure which one applies. Eventually it gets you torn between the world of ideas and the real world, between theory and practice. You want to look at things a certain way and you're pretty sure this way works great. But, plot twist: pretty much nobody understands this and you, in time, realize the world and those around you are not governed by philosophy, by ideas, but by things that pale in comparison.

No, that won't make you become an edgy preachy motherfucker telling those around you that they suck- nobody with any tact and intelligence would do that- but it will leave you full of doubts; doubts about yourself and those around you. Doubts you'll never be able to answer.

That's what philosophy is for me, regarding sanity. A roller-coaster able to give you thrills and entertainment, but also able to make you nauseous, terrified to the bone or even kill you in an accident.
But it depends on external factors. Maybe the Greeks were right for noting that young people shouldn't pursue philosophy. It's not a knowledge one should strive for at a turbulent time in one's life. You need mental stability and calm in other to pursue it more safely. Just like those suffering from heart disease as well as those who don't meet the height or age requirements should not ride roller-coasters.

Yea, yea...metaphors are stupid. Well, blow me- literally.

>> No.6481018

>>6480973
Deep

>> No.6481051

>>6480973

Honestly I don't know what is philosophy anymore or how someone couldn't know about it. From what I got from your post you talk that the most important philosophy is the one related to morality and ethics amirite?

I'm in a bubble

>> No.6481077

>>6480973
Fucking this.

Everything in my life was going so fucking good; career, degrees, success, accomplisments... I couldn't care less about anything except for enjoying. I went through all the sorrow I came across and embraced. Since last month my girlfriend left me, I'm in a state of derangement. I was the edgiest and chillest person ever, doing insane and astonishing things when there was love and affection. I had been so powerful when my desire of love were met.

But now all I do is wandering through my mind, so corrupted that nothing can reach through. Only me, and myself that is there.

Fuck it.

>> No.6481089

>>6481051
>you talk that the most important philosophy is the one related to morality and ethics amirite?

Sort of but that doesn't quite cover it. I'd say that the most important sub-disciplines of philosophy in regards to one's everyday life are all those that fall under Aristotle's category of "praxis" or practice. But that's not really a wise epiphany , it's superfluous since it's pretty much contained in the very definition.
Yes, that's ethics too.

I like practical philosophy because it offers a way to bridge this gap between theory and everyday life that you're gonna dig around you if you devote yourself to metaphysics, ontology, existentialism...stuff like that.

Personally, studying ethics and political/social philosophy came as a bit of a sobering up from the idealism of its other sub-disciplines. It just kind of bridges that gap.

>> No.6481095

Trying to understand Hegel has made have rage attacks very frequently. Pretty much destroyed my PC for now and my hand is full of cuts.

>> No.6481141

Philosophy is probably the one thing that most helped in returning me to relative stability from the place I was in, the hard empty place.

>> No.6481143

>>6477619
and yet you're using 'suffering' prescriptively?

>> No.6481154

>>6481143
I'm suggesting a use of the word 'suffering' in a certain manner. Of course I'm not saying 'this is the only way and you must abide by it lel'.

>> No.6481155

>>6473281
Some of us don't have a choice like you OP, I experience that inner torture since I was born with or without reading philosophy.

It's okay you get use to it

>> No.6481179

>>6481077
If it's any consolation you were probably a faggot back then

>> No.6481338

>>6481179
No it was the opposite, I was going too hard on everybody, especially her. I had been a real asshole for the last months. Fuck everyone, she was supposed to coup with it, she gave up.

>> No.6482693

>>6480225
Same here.

>> No.6482707

>>6481077
>Since last month my girlfriend left me, I'm in a state of derangement

Sounds you don't even read philosophy. If you had read basic stoic stuff you wouldn't be a little bitch.

>> No.6482720

>>6481095
Philosophy should not be taken this intensely.

>> No.6482746

>>6481338

Yeah sounds like you were a cuck, bro

Sorry your gf cucked you so hard, queerbait

>> No.6482750

>>6480973

>I'm too stupid and weak to apply philosophy to areas of personal discontentment

sucks to hear that, man, hope you figure that out

>> No.6482872

>>6482720
You have never tried to figure out how syllogism of disjunctive sublates the middle term and turns into objectivity. Or how the previous syllogism of analogy posits the singularity as having its actuality only in the expression of the universal.

>> No.6482911

>>6473281
Is this one of those things that average people pine over, like "What is the meaning of life?" Because, that is so retarded.

Shouldn't this thread be on /adv/?

>> No.6482924

>>6473281
Orthodox Catholicism is the only answer, everything aligns into perfect formation through the looking glass of Christ

>> No.6482926

>>6482924
I recommend Orthodoxy by GK Chesterton, maybe that'll fit you

>> No.6482983

>>6475475

As a stoic, suffering keeps me rock hard.

>> No.6484085

>>6482750

>I can apply philosophy to my personal life all the time and it works out perfectly for me and never leaves me dissatisfied, confused or in doubt

Good to hear it, mate. Sounds to me it's just your god complex acting up. The rest of us have this thing called irrationality that sometimes fucks up our rational philosophical outlook.

>> No.6484190

>never read philosophy
>spent countless hours thinking about answers rather than questions
>read about philosophy
>all of the questions are either easily solvable, having been posed from a position of epoch-based ignorance, or completely and utterly detached from any situation that could ever arise

I honestly don't see how philosophy is anything but a vestige. I've been lurking here for a long time, and you people never seem to debate anything except various methods of goverment or various ideas so divorced from rationality as to be absurd. Protip: when you start questioning the nature of reasoning istself and whether anything is "knowable" or not, you've pulled the rug out from under your own feet and disqualified yourself from presenting anything.

>> No.6484309

>>6482872
Gesundheit

>> No.6484614

>>6484190
>read about philosophy
>about

There is your problem.

>> No.6484652

>>6473281
My own experiences seem to corroborate also the notion that philosophy and a sense of strife occur in tandem. Even more-so back when I was a novice, and we shall see why I think that is:
Philosophy most generally presents a novice to a barrage of incompatible models, most of which are both unnervingly and yet refreshingly premeditated.
It goes without saying that such a relation between author and reader may immediately undermine the reader's self-confidence specifically in appropriately selecting the worthwhile ideas to adhere to or modify, among all the various philosophers and their multitude of ideas. The novice's only reasonable alternative in taking up philosophy then transpires to continuously nurturing a variety of conflicting models which temporarily inhibits the capacity to identify with a sense of reconciled tranquility.
It seems fortunately fair to say competence and confidence grow together, though. With far-sighted investments you can definitely weed through the fog, after which you may anew embrace the still presence you refer to. At this point and beyond you have also forever eliminated the simmering guilt of not familiarising with the most formative and thus important challenge in your life: having carefully selected and then actually embodying your own principles - as opposed to never having properly learned how to grow, as follows because consistent reasoning is a prerequisite to growth. The remainder of this post will relate to inner peace:
Begin with the Presocratics and head into the Greeks with the set intent of mapping the history and development of ideas. Knowing the development of ideas is knowing the development of philosophy, a necessary vantage for a philosopher. Don't forget to overlook the influence of specifically Buddhism and other general alternatives, such as eastern thought, to that of the prototypical philosophy. Understanding Buddhism, you will by extention also deepen your understanding of philosophy of language which even has huge implications in epistemology. Once you're here, learn how to meditate and implement a consistent routine; there is namely significant empirical evidence supporting the thesis that meditation reduces the frequency of cortisol in your body, which amounts to alleviated stress. These studies are available on google scholar, for example. Drawing from my own experience with consistent meditation, I would describe it as mental stillness and so implicitly also the cessation of what could otherwise be the mental activity qualifying as mental illness or disorder. And finally, if you find these suggestions dubious, I wish to invite you to the possibility that this type of reflexive denial may be your unexaminated self speaking. If you disagree--and not for my sake but for your own--be sure that you know why and on what grounds.
I would like to untangle what we call "the existential crisis" too but my character limit ends here. Buddhism will provide you alternatives here too.

>> No.6484678

>>6480325
Yes. Problems?

Fascist philosophers are some of the finest. They are rather rare, though.

>> No.6484687

>>6484190
What are you doing right now?
Surely you know that there is nothing "knowable",
and so know some thing,
that being a fallacy,
following on from that,
you are not knowing any thing to not be knowable,
so a) Knowing some thing may be possible.
b) Knowing some thing is possible.

>> No.6484692

Literature,
symbols,
simply divert thought in a different direction.
Saying it lead you to what you are is true,
but one can find that state with out it.
"Philosophy" can exist with out "philosophical literature".

>> No.6484695

>>6484687
It's called 'internal consistency': a concept understood by few never having studied philosophy. It all makes sense huh.

>> No.6484712

>>6484695
How do you mean?
I am confused as to what you are attempting to say.
If you read philosophy,
you realise you can not know any thing,
which is false,
because in supposedly knowing this,
you know some thing,
thus things can be known.

Or am I mistaken?
Please enlighten me otherwise.

>> No.6484732

>In 1796, French revolutionary anti-clerical troops used the refectory as an armory; they threw stones at the painting [Leonardo's Last Supper] and climbed ladders to scratch out the Apostles' eyes
What. The. Fuck. /lit/ and Nietzsche led me to believe Napoleon was patrician. O_O

>> No.6484759

>>6484712
My post was insinuating the errors of whom you responded to. I say, knowledge--if hypothetised to exist--must be internally consistent for it to stand its ground. Otherwise you are prone to generating conflicting deductions and undermine the validity of your own propositions.
And this is why I come to agree with you that you cannot retain knowledge that is internally inconsistent, such as "I know that you cannot know anything" which >>6484190 essentially has proposed. Just like you argued, you cannot eat the cookie and still have it. If you exhaust the possibility of knowledge, you implicitly then cannot assert any type of knowledge yourself either.
If you want to propose that knowledge is dubious, you do so by first emphasising that what you are presenting is belief, e.g. "I believe knowledge is unattainable".

>> No.6484770

>>6484759
Thank you.