Martyrs

[Anonymous No.6202459]

SUP /lit/

TOPIC IS MARTYRDOM
Hit me with your best poetic citations, atypical definitions, historical examples, religious or atheistic musings on the subject

I'll be working on my thesis in the meantime, and updating with my own work and such

Lets make this thread EPIC

[Anonymous No.6202463]

>>6202459

is he ok

[Anonymous No.6202464]

>>6202459
Philosophy has been, up to this point, as much as science, an expression of human subordination, and when man seeks to represent himself, no longer as a moment of a homogenous process—of a necessary and pitiful process—but as a new laceration among lacerated nature, it is no longer the leveling phraseology coming to him from the understanding that can help him: he can no longer recognize himself in the degrading chains of logic, but he recognizes himself instead—not only with rage but in an ecstatic torment—in the virulence of his own phantasms.”
-- Georges Bataille “The Pineal Eye” pp 80

[Anonymous No.6202465]

>>6202459

“Philosophy is a ghoul that haunts only ruins, and the broken croak of our hymns to sickness have scarcely begun. Borne by currents of deep exhaustion that flow silent and inexhorable beneath the surface perturbations of twitch and chatter, damned, shivering, claw-like fingers hewn from torture and sunk into wreckage drawn with unbearable slowness down into the maw of flame and snuffed blackness twisted skewerish into fever-hollowed eyes. Eternal recurrence is our extermination, and we cling to it as infants to mother’s breasts.—
Nick Land, Shamanic Nietzsche, pp 221-222

[Anonymous No.6202469]

>>6202459
Against this virulent strain is one possible release—that of a psychological ego-death. If one accepts certain latitudes corresponding to the nature of existence, the practice of ego-death yields opportunities of existential engagement with the Unknown beyond-death.
The hypothetical estrangement of enlightenment from the discord of existence is the promise of a path into that something beyond the cycle of rebirth (samsara), and requires a complete prostration of conceptuality in order to gain access to the exterior Unknown. Buddhists call the unyielding force of existence anicca (Pali)-- impermanence. Life and death, insofar as they are the facts of existence, are conceived of as the cyclic oscillations of mental states. The ground for this observation is a mind-only ontology (citta), whereby the sensuous experience of physicality is only an aggregate of mental conceptions. Ego is an idea generating from the mind about the sensuous perceptions, and is an identification of somatic to the body, which is the barest repose of perception. Since the mind is the facilitator of identifying these sense perceptions to a form, it conceives of the self.

[Anonymous No.6202477]

>>6202459
I'm mother fucking filthy

There is an expressed sense in which the Form appears as a social necessity to bridge a perceived gap between the rational sense of good and the apparent sense as a commodity. Without a prior blueprint, the value of objectified existence is tethered to the contingency of self-preservation rather than their professed accumulation. At risk is the suspension of ethical expenditure—that the accumulation, no matter how engorged, is connected to a circuitry of eventual negation. To combat the material tendency towards entropy, the transcendental phase of the commodity is asserted prior to its sensible manifestation.
The possibility of value subtends its need for a displacement by a rational subject—a thing whose sole utility by the impersonal Form is contained in the possibility of its ability to utilize. Use, which is the active extraction of utility, finds its most lucid expression as the pressuring of an object of exacerbation into anhedonic waste, a movement from adored purity into excess filth. The production of waste is therefore paramount to the legislation of value, whose primary prospect, if at all optimistic, is an escape into the regressive medium of the Form beyond the firmament of utilizable praxis.

[Anonymous No.6202482]

>>6202463
its from a film "Martyrs"

also thats a gril

[Anonymous No.6202502]

>>6202482

succulent

[Anonymous No.6202637]

>>6202502
no, disgusting

[Anonymous No.6203236]

>>6202459
OP here back from a voyage
Let's get this thread off the ground with a question:

A martyr means "to bear witness"--typically used in the religious context to express an unwillingness to relinquish truth even at the expense of life. What can be gained from this in a non theological sense?

[Anonymous No.6203334]

>>6202459
Quote is from Eugen Levin, a revolutionary martyr of the German Revolution, alongside Luxemburg and Liebknecht.

Long live the Revolution!
HASTA VICTORIA SIEMPRE

[Anonymous No.6203492]

>>6202459
awful film

[Anonymous No.6203523]

>>6203492
It was alright until it forced in that bullshit about becoming a martyr. What was she dying for? It made no sense.

[Anonymous No.6203530]

>>6203523
fun + profit !!

[Anonymous No.6203837]

>>6203523
Knowing the after life or some shit like that.

[Anonymous No.6203940]

One of the most inspiring Christian martyrs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

>Bonhoeffer was condemned to death on 8 April 1945 by SS judge Otto Thorbeck at a drumhead court-martial without witnesses, records of proceedings or a defense in Flossenbürg concentration camp.[32] He was executed there by hanging at dawn on 9 April 1945, just two weeks before soldiers from the United States 90th and 97th Infantry Divisions liberated the camp,[33][34] three weeks before the Soviet capture of Berlin and a month before the capitulation of Nazi Germany.

>Bonhoeffer was stripped of his clothing and led naked into the execution yard, where he was hanged, along with fellow conspirators Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, Canaris's deputy General Hans Oster, military jurist General Karl Sack, General Friedrich von Rabenau,[35] businessman Theodor Strünck, and German resistance fighter Ludwig Gehre. Bonhoeffer's brother, Klaus Bonhoeffer, and his brother-in-law Rüdiger Schleicher were executed in Berlin on the night of 22–23 April as Soviet troops were already fighting in the capital. His brother-in-law Hans von Dohnányi had been executed in Sachsenhausen concentration camp on 8 or 9 April.

>Eberhard Bethge, a student and friend of Bonhoeffer's, writes of a man who saw the execution: "I saw Pastor Bonhoeffer... kneeling on the floor praying fervently to God. I was most deeply moved by the way this lovable man prayed, so devout and so certain that God heard his prayer. At the place of execution, he again said a short prayer and then climbed the few steps to the gallows, brave and composed. His death ensued after a few seconds. In the almost fifty years that I worked as a doctor, I have hardly ever seen a man die so entirely submissive to the will of God."[31]

[Anonymous No.6203950]

Also Justin Martyr the man who which the act was named after.

>The Prefect Rusticus says: Approach and sacrifice, all of you, to the gods. Justin says: No one in his right mind gives up piety for impiety. The Prefect Rusticus says: If you do not obey, you will be tortured without mercy. Justin replies: That is our desire, to be tortured for Our Lord, Jesus Christ, and so to be saved, for that will give us salvation and firm confidence at the more terrible universal tribunal of Our Lord and Saviour. And all the martyrs said: Do as you wish; for we are Christians, and we do not sacrifice to idols. The Prefect Rusticus read the sentence: Those who do not wish to sacrifice to the gods and to obey the emperor will be scourged and beheaded according to the laws. The holy martyrs glorifying God betook themselves to the customary place, where they were beheaded and consummated their martyrdom confessing their Saviour.

[Anonymous No.6203965]

>>6203523
I think the idea was to strip them of their humanity while retaining their living functions. The flaying was to expose her to every sensation and thus produce an ecstasis (ecsane:to be out of ones mind)

[Anonymous No.6203981]

Sophie Scholl

[Anonymous No.6203986]

>>6202459
Spooks leading people to suicide

How sad

[Anonymous No.6203991]

>literally dying for ideology

it's like nobody ever bothered to think

[Anonymous No.6204022]

>>6203991
believing in something enough to die for it is one of the most inspiring things a person can do

[Anonymous No.6204029]

>>6204022

inspiring to who? Americans and Jesus freaks?

there's nothing honorable or noble about dying for an ideological construction

[Anonymous No.6204033]

>>6204029
Martyrdom really doesn't make sense without transcendental reality, I'll grant you that.

[Anonymous No.6204040]

>>6204033

yep, which is why martyrdom is a symptom of stupidity and/or psychosis

[Anonymous No.6204055]

>>6204040
>>psychosis
Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.6204061]

>>6204029
honour and nobility are literally derived entirely from ideological constructions. the only way to be honourable or noble is to follow them, of which martyrdom is a well established path.

[Anonymous No.6204062]

>>6204040
Well, not really, because reality is in fact transcendent.

[Anonymous No.6204068]

>>6204062
>thinks he has access to noumena

good one

[Anonymous No.6204072]

>>6204068
>Kantian nonsense

get out

[Anonymous No.6204074]

>>6204061

yep, honor and nobility are also bullshit

[Anonymous No.6204075]

>>6204055

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_delusion

[Anonymous No.6204078]

>>6204068
Implying phenomena isn't made up.
Implying there can't be numerous phenomena .
Implying multiple phenomena can't contradict one another

[Anonymous No.6204079]

>>6204072

>he used a word from an author I don't like! surely it's nonsense!

tell the class more about your unique access to things-in-themselves beyond phenomenal experience

[Anonymous No.6204087]

>>6204078

I didn't begin to imply any of that

[Anonymous No.6204088]

>>6204075
Interesting as fuck.
Do you not experience your own day to day delusions? How do you cope with the fact that some people have crazy experiences? Denial?

[Anonymous No.6204090]

>>6204079
Still caught in Kantian mechanics I see.
How about materialism?

[Anonymous No.6204093]

>>6204075
Ah, I see the psychiatrists have catalogued demonic possession. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.6204094]

>>6204088

if you experienced a delusion, you wouldn't call it a delusion, dipshit

try again

[Anonymous No.6204095]

>>6204087
Sort of did mate. Every time someone tries to justify Kant. Every time.

[Anonymous No.6204097]

>>6204093

>demonic possession

is it 1549? what the fuck happened to the smart people

[Anonymous No.6204098]

>>6204094
>>drugs?
Granted I am a dipshit
But at least I'm not an ignoramus

[Anonymous No.6204102]

>>6204090

materialism is bunk, there is no such 'material' account of historical or experiential processes

[Anonymous No.6204103]

>>6204097
Implying demonic possession isn't legitimate?
>>still stuck in christian pastiche
>>I bet you defer all authority of existence to science too

[Anonymous No.6204108]

>>6204097
>implying it's not a real thing
>implying strange powers and godlike beings aren't still skulking in the world's dark places
>implying one shouldn't depend at all times on God's divine guidance and serenity

[Anonymous No.6204109]

>>6204103

>science

I don't replace Christian hegemony with secular hegemony, no

[Anonymous No.6204110]

>>6204102
See deleuze
or more importantly bataille

[Anonymous No.6204113]

>>6204098

delusion
>an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is FIRMLY MAINTAINED despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

[Anonymous No.6204114]

>>6204108
>>6204103

>>>/x/
>>>/a shrink/

[Anonymous No.6204115]

>>6204108
>>God
Specifically the judeochristian god though

Because pagans were heathens and not to be trusted

[Anonymous No.6204123]

>>6204114
I'm on /lit/
Do you even read bro?
>kubbla khan
>>Baudelaire
>>even Descartes
Fuck you should just leave and go back to reading books about trains because obvs you've got our psychology figured out

[Anonymous No.6204128]

>>6204113
This guy and his poor misplaced faith in rationalism
On a /lit/ board

[Anonymous No.6204129]

>>6204123

>shamelessly sucks the cock of The Name of the Father in the most dominant of all prevailing ideologies
>tells me to read more

truly saddening

[Anonymous No.6204132]

>>6204128

I'm no rationalist
I'm just defining the word delusion as my friend seems not to know what a delusion is

[Anonymous No.6204141]

>>6204132
Generally accepted reality is good enough for most
>>most
>>6204132

[Anonymous No.6204147]

>>6204141

the point of being deluded as opposed to feeling whacked-out or generally crazy is that you DONT KNOW that you are experiencing an illusion i.e. you believe that what you are experiencing is real and wouldn't easily be convinced otherwise. if you claim to experience 'delusions' daily while knowing that they are delusions, you're just using the wrong word. maybe 'hallucination' or 'daydream' would be closer, but certainly not 'delusion'

[Anonymous No.6204294]

>>6204147
This whole business of delusion sounds like something Enlightenment busybodies cooked up so they could pretend the world was strictly empirical.