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What is the most intellectual and most wise religious belief?

>> No.6097913

>>6097884
/lit/ - literature

>> No.6097937

>>6097884
I think the religion with the most wise people would probably be Judaism.

As in the most enlightened religion in and if itself. I don't think there is an answer

>> No.6097947

>>6097937

>wise

Wisdom and money-smarts are not the same thing

>>6097884

Take this divisive and vapid /pol/ tier question elsewhere.

>> No.6097950

>>6097884
Not giving two fucking shits about religion.

>> No.6097998

>>6097884
>inb4 christians

>> No.6098000

>>6097884
>intellectual
Probably Catholicism
>wise
Buddhism

>> No.6098005

>>6098000
What about no religion?

>> No.6098025

Did anybody else start as a Christian, become an atheist, then become a Christian again, and then just caring about religion at all?

>> No.6098030

>>6097884
OP I hope this isn't some excuse to draw out yet another christfags vs fedora argument, if so fuck you faggot

Gnosticism or Buddhism

>> No.6098420

Deism

>> No.6098451

>>6098420
is this a troll

>> No.6098487

>Wise

Objectively Buddhism.

As for intellectual, does religion in itself really encourage it?

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6098496

>>6097884

>> No.6098500

>wise belief
>intellectual belief
I'm sorry, what?

>> No.6098551

>>6098496
ah, Slavic paganism.

The barbarism of the drinking man, I'm drunk while i type this!

Hail Perun! Hail and JOY!

>> No.6098571

>>6098000
Catholicism is intellectual like Dawkins is, I guess.

>> No.6098577

Hellenism, easily, it provides the widest ground for theological discussion, whether the Gods are creators, whether they are omnipotent, etc. Also the wisest in philosophy, and more existential than Judaism.

>> No.6098589

>>6097884
Cheesecakeism.

>> No.6098620

>>6098571
How so?

>> No.6098644

>>6098620
Okay, maybe not THAT intellectual

>> No.6098693

Catholicism and Taoism have always impressed me the most; but also some parts of Sikhism and Hinduism as well. Joined a Buddhist church for a few years when I was 16, but still wouldn't put it up as being among the best of Eastern Religions though.

>> No.6098728

smoking the dank

>> No.6098737

>>6098693
Catholicism is not respectable at all, it was mainly a political religion used to justify tyranny. And having a lot of gold doesn't change that.

>> No.6098784

>>6098737
Why do you believe that?

>> No.6098788

>>6098784
Because the foundation of Catholicism as opposed to other variants of Christianity, is the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome, which is completely about political power.

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6098822

hinduism

>> No.6098830

>>6097884
Zen Buddhism is cool.

>> No.6098831

>>6098822
>just shut the fuck up and don't do anything outside what the ruling class has dictated that your class should do
>or we'll kill you

>> No.6098832

>>6098822
This. Hinduism is really just a convenient appellation for a corpus of philosophical texts that rivals the western tradition. You can even be an atheist and still be an orthodox hindu (see Samkhya).

>> No.6098840

I don't know about you guys, but listening to truly excellent music almost convinces me there's something to life.

>> No.6098845

>>6098831
Indian cultural practices =/= Hinduism. Though a great many Hindus would argue otherwise.

>> No.6098848

>>6098693

I wish Catholicism would go full polytheism and stop pussy footing with the saints. Why is there no representation of the Sea or Earth in the whole religion? I'm not praying "through" some fag named Brendan to show reverence to the ocean.

>> No.6098851

>>6098831
Ride the Tiger, brah

>> No.6098864

>>6098788
Why would it be about political power? The Orthodox Church has a Patriarch, and similarly they're two Caliphs of Islam as well.

>> No.6098865

>>6098788
>which is completely about political power

why do you believe that

>> No.6098872

>>6098788
>the foundation of Catholicism as opposed to other variants of Christianity
Le Church of England face
Le Calvinism face

>> No.6098881

>>6098788
stupid greek poster

>> No.6098888

>intellectual

it used to be Judaism until the medieval/early modern period ended, now probably Catholicism

Gnostic Christianity is sweet as heck and has some beautiful poetry/prose, but it's pretty much the one innovative idea overlaid on real Christianity and platonism. Indian religion/culture also has great literature but are shallow

>wise

lol God isn't real

>> No.6098891

>>6098888
what if you're denying God's love at this moment

>> No.6098899
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6098899

>>6098888
>lol God isn't real

confirmed

>> No.6098900

>>6098848
You're supposed to respect the earth and sea, not worship it. Just as you respect animals, but you don't put them over humans.

For most of human history people may have worshiped spirits and ghosts, but not nature since they lived in a time where nature would kill them on a daily basis and relentlessly. Now with 21st century comfyness and safety from nature, we tend to want to worship what we don't have to deal with on a daily basis.

Understand and thank nature for what you get from it, but remember it's not a friend.

>> No.6098903

>>6098864
They have multiple patriarchs.

>>6098872
CoE has Churches in communion with it which do not recognize the supremacy of the King.

>> No.6098905

>>6098903
see >>6098891

>> No.6098911

>>6098905
I don't consider the Catholic Church to have a very loving history.

>> No.6098913

>>6098911
This isn't just about Catholicism. What if God is reaching for you and wishing that you would accept and return his love?

>> No.6098915

>>6098888
>now probably Catholicism
New Atheism is more intellectual than Catholicism.

>> No.6098916

>>6098903
What does that have to do with >>6098864 question?

Or even >>6098872 as well?

>> No.6098920

>>6098845
Hinduism as a unified religion is a hodge-podge of local religions mashed together for the sole purpose of control. It still contains many elements of the many different religious, cultural and philosophical ideas of its component religions, but as Hinduism it's virtually exclusively a tool for control.

>> No.6098922

>>6098911
nigga sit down

>> No.6098923

>>6098913
Pascal's Wager nicely demonstrates the intellectual vapidness of theology, and Pascal was a fucking smart guy. Also his argument that even if God didn't exist, religion would make you a better person, is mirrored exactly in the New Atheist argument that even if God did exist, he would be wicked and religion makes you a bad person.

>> No.6098925

>>6098911
>>6098915
Are you just anti-catholic because of personal reasons? Be honest.

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>>6098915

>New Atheism is more intellectual than Catholicism

>> No.6098928

>>6098922
>>6098915

>> No.6098931

>>6098916
Quite a bit, there's nothing wrong with a Church recognizing a leader. There's quite a bit wrong with saying that leader is the only acceptable leader for all Christians.

>> No.6098939

>>6098920
>Hinduism as a unified religion
No such thing extant.

>> No.6098944

>>6098923

>pascal's wager

nice. now try Epicurus's trilemma. or go back to patheos.com

>> No.6098945

>>6098925
I'm anti-Catholic mainly because they keep shitposting on this board, to be honest, and that includes atheists shilling for Catholicism as some sort of beacon of Christianity shining above the rest.

>>6098927
I can post pictures of Catholics doing stupid shit as well, I'm talking about actual books about the issue. Teilhard is the only respectable thinker of Catholicism (there were plenty of respectable Catholic thinkers, but as with Pascal, their thoughts on Catholicism weren't part of what made them respectable).

>> No.6098950

>>6098944
But that has nothing to do with Christianity, let alone Catholicism.

>> No.6098955

>>6098911
the people of the mystici corporis christi extend beyond the institution of the catholic church, but also is through it and within it as there are people who are true disciples of christ within it

ever heard the zizek joke, "my fiancee is never late, for as soon as she is late, she is not my fiancee!"?

the person who commits mortal sins is not a disciple of christ, even if they have position in the institution of the church hierarchy

>> No.6098965

>>6098923
the wager is an apologetic argument, not a theological one

>> No.6098967

>2013+2
>desiring intellect or wisdom

top tip kek

>> No.6098968

>>6098931
You just said the same thing was both acceptable and objectable in the same post. Do all Greeks believe that the Patriarchs claim is sincere, but the Pope's is all political?

>> No.6098969

>>6098939
Not quite, except that it does. "Your gods are aspects of our gods, but our gods are closer to the real aspect of the gods, and our gods wants you to obey them, and therefore your gods wants you to obey our gods, and we know what the gods want, and the gods want you to obey them through us, so shut up and do what we tell you or the gods are gonna want us to kill you." It's an attempt to gain religious hedgemony over a great many scattered religions by making them all fly under your own banner while essentially allowing people to worship the same gods, only now they're aspects of other gods.

>> No.6098971

>>6098967
>2015
>desiring

>> No.6098973

>>6098955
So the "it wasn't REAL communism" argument?

>>6098965
Apologetics is a branch of theology, numbnuts.

>> No.6098981

>>6098945
>they keep shitposting
>not the one tripfag who everyone agrees is lowering this thread's dialogue into that of a freshman philosophy class

>> No.6098987

>>6098968
I don't think any Greek has an issue with Russian Orthodox having a different patriarch than Greek Orthodox has.

>> No.6098991

>>6098025
yea
except i got into buddhism, chaos magick and aliester crowley during my atheism

>> No.6098992

>>6098981
That would actually be raising the dialogue.

>> No.6098996

Christianity as Christ taught it is probably the most hardcore.

>> No.6098997

>>6098973
>Apologetics is a branch of theology, numbnuts.

no, apologetics uses the resources of theology, doctrine, and philosophy to make a case for a specific religious position

>> No.6099001

>>6098969
Just like to point out that there are atheistic orthodox schools of 'Hinduism'. I'm well aware of whats been happening to Indian religions over the past 150 years but its still not proper to talk of a 'Hinduism' let alone the idea of an uncontested unified Indian religion. Though my view is a minority view.

>> No.6099009

>>6098996

>Christianity as Christ taught it is probably the most hardcore.

>It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs.

agreed.

>> No.6099011

>>6098997
Theology, definition
>the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
>Christian apologetics (Greek: ἀπολογία, "verbal defence, speech in defence")[1] is a field of Christian theology which attempts to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defending the faith against objections.

Apologetics are theology without the assumption God exists.

>> No.6099012

>>6098973
>So the "it wasn't REAL communism" argument?

no, because while the communists who make that argument believe their own tendency or at least a "true" socialist mode of production will emerge in history, there is no such analogue in reference to the mystical body of christ. only God ultimately possesses the knowledge of who is his disciple. we can trust and believe we are, or that another is, but we can never possess that knowledge

>>6098987
if any greek orthodox christian had any doubt as to the primacy of the bishop of rome they need only listen to their own patriarchs

>> No.6099016

>>6098992
For you.
>>6098987
Tbh I'm leaving if you're gonna continue to waste my time avoiding questions.

>> No.6099022

>>6098996
Trying to reconstruct what Jesus REALLY taught by looking at the Gospels is an exercise in futility, although I can accept the argument that if he really did preach, the parables preserve that teaching the best.

>> No.6099025

>>6099012
>if any greek orthodox christian had any doubt as to the primacy of the bishop of rome they need only listen to their own patriarchs
Their patriarch is the head of their Church, they don't consider him to be patriarch over Christendom. Hell, Orthodox actually acknowledges the Pope's supremacy, they just disagree with what that entails.

>> No.6099029

>>6097884
love unconditionally

cus what else is really worth your time and effort?

>> No.6099035

>>6099001
Well, I agree. But when you want to talk about the disunity it's not really Hinduism you're talking about anymore, because Hinduism as I understand it is more like the attempt to 'steal' various religions in the claim for hedgemony than it is the religions it's stealing. Remove the attempt at unification for hedgemony and what you're left with isn't Hinduism but rather the ideas it tried to claim.

>> No.6099039

>>6099029
Dick unconditionally.

>> No.6099047

>>6099035
I see your point. Personally I consider 'Hinduism' to be an offensive appellation devoid of meaning, but it is a useful designation for the modern, synthetic Indian religious movement that's emerged over the past 150 years or so.

>> No.6099063

>>6099047
I agree.

>> No.6099070

>>6099047
I've often seen Neo-Vedanta used as a term for that phenomenon.

>> No.6099073

This hinges on value systems to answer, so the only valid answers are religions that actually address the nature of human belief. Buddhism, Taoism, or Zen. No Christians, Jews, or Muslims as they reject everything else on grounds of argument of authority, which is fallacious

>> No.6099074

>>6099025
>Their patriarch is the head of their Church

yet the bishop of rome is recognized by bartholomew as holding primacy

the reason why ecumenism is slow isn't because of the filioque at this point. it's because the patriarchs can't decide what primacy specifically entails, despite the universal assent to primacy

the thousand years it's taking to heal the schism is symptomatic of the orthodox church lacking the bishop of rome. though i agree with the patriarch who said it would be a miracle if the reunification occurred

though i doubt if it did that the russian patriarchate would follow along. if you want an example of politics drowning discipleship, that's it

>> No.6099127

>>6098900

It is a friend. A friend is someone who has the power to destroy you and doesn't.