ITT: Things stupid people say >that's an unfalsifiable claim! >Hegel was an obscurantist, he admired Heraclitus for christ's sake! >I lived under communism! >people kill because of religion!

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Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:00:44 2014 No.5913041 [DELETED]

ITT: Things stupid people say
>that's an unfalsifiable claim!
>Hegel was an obscurantist, he admired Heraclitus for christ's sake!
>I lived under communism!
>people kill because of religion!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:01:57 2014 No.5913043 File: 24 KB, 954x539, 1409336399052.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] inb4 stupid person quotes things like "communism has never been tried" because #3 got him butthurt because he knows deep down that only dumb people hate Marxism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:02:44 2014 No.5913046 >I only read literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:04:42 2014 No.5913052 >>5913043 >communism has never been tried True free market capitalism has never been tried! The stupid and ineffective state always interferes and ruins everything!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:04:50 2014 No.5913053 >>5913041 >the markets can control themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:08:02 2014 No.5913062 >Timothy Snyder is a historian >God is real and provable >the Count of Monte Cristo's actions were justified

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:11:07 2014 No.5913069 Start with the Greeks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:18:09 2014 No.5913084 Ad hominem strawman Statist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:20:04 2014 No.5913088 >Objectively

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:20:06 2014 No.5913089 >>5913041 >OP is not a retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:26:34 2014 No.5913100 >>5913043 Marxism is basically a religion. The dogmatic worship of materialism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:28:29 2014 No.5913105 >>5913041 >Hegel Who?

>>	romancero gitano !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 08:28:43 2014 No.5913107 >>5913052 The thing is that a fully free market doesn't even sound nice in theory. >>5913062 >>the Count of Monte Cristo's actions were justified That's a heavy one

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:30:33 2014 No.5913112 >>5913052 A variation on this is that true capitalism works but it's just a few crooks who ruin it for everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:31:34 2014 No.5913113 >>5913107 it doesn't sound nice for NEETs, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:34:21 2014 No.5913119 that's dogmatic unfalsifiable nonsense

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:35:31 2014 No.5913123 There is an economic doctrine that is better than all other economic doctrines. Plato never spouted anything but unfalsifiable garbage and therefore should be disregarded. Aristotle held back science and philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:37:02 2014 No.5913127 video games are art

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:37:03 2014 No.5913128 I read for fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:41:21 2014 No.5913134 Look at these new books that I just bought! Post your book shelves! Should I read this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:42:00 2014 No.5913136 Continental philosophy is better at explaining the human condition

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:44:03 2014 No.5913138 Science can tell us right from wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:44:24 2014 No.5913140 ITT: Passive aggressive venting

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:47:14 2014 No.5913147 Right and wrong exist in ethics

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:48:26 2014 No.5913151 >>5913147 What is that even supposed to mean? Did you get buttfrustrated over >>5913138 and then come up with your inane answer?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:49:29 2014 No.5913153 File: 254 KB, 1304x566, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5913151

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:52:16 2014 No.5913158 >>5913153 We all know faggot. That doesn't mean that right and wrong don't exist in ethics. Right and wrong is the object under examination in ethics. And it very much exists (although not in an absolute sense).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:53:29 2014 No.5913162 >>5913158 No, they exist only as subjective descriptive tools, not as anything in of themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:56:28 2014 No.5913167 >>5913162 >they exist only as subjective descriptive tools So they exist? So your original comment was dogshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 08:57:15 2014 No.5913169 No, they exist only as subjective descriptive tools, not as anything in of themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:01:36 2014 No.5913179 >>5913169 Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist, you ape

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:02:17 2014 No.5913182 >>5913167 Like faeries and god exist, as a collection of letters.

romancero gitano !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 09:24:13 2014 No.5913220

>>5913113
Implying we'll ever have such great NEETs as those aristocracy had. We're just trying to play it cool but it has become an amateur game.

>>5913182
Societal constructs have much more weight than just letters. Imagine how the need for education is a societal construction but we still dedicate more or less 1/4th of each person's life to standarized education and no one questions it. Societal constructions are as strong as their society, and that can be a lot. People can kill for "good" or "bad".
It's competently true that those words don't have absolute definitions, though, and I liked the image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:34:15 2014 No.5913234 >>5913220 The need for education is quantifiable, though, good is just an abstract descriptive term subject to the opinion of the individual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:36:04 2014 No.5913237 >>5913062 The Count's actions were justifiable enough-ish. At least he didn't totally go over the edge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:51:21 2014 No.5913250 File: 635 KB, 519x537, 1403613958305.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5913041 >"What do you mean you haven't read the book? Then stop talking shit about it if you haven't actually read it."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:55:49 2014 No.5913259 >I don't read literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:56:50 2014 No.5913261 >the markets can't control themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:57:51 2014 No.5913264 >Timothy Snyder isn't a historian >God is not real and provable >the Count of Monte Cristo's actions were not justified

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 09:58:53 2014 No.5913267 >Don't start with the Greeks

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:00:02 2014 No.5913271 >Subjectively

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:01:03 2014 No.5913273 >OP is a retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:02:04 2014 No.5913278 Science can't tell us right from wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:04:00 2014 No.5913281 >I don't shitpost

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:13:36 2014 No.5913299 >my hobby is reading >my hobby is literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:45:18 2014 No.5913352 >Marxism is basically a religion. The dogmatic worship of materialism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:47:22 2014 No.5913356 >marxism isn't garbage

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:47:43 2014 No.5913358 >>5913352 Butthurt Marxist detected. Go back to your LTV, retard.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:50:49 2014 No.5913364

>>5913358
>LTV
The evidence you know nothing about marxism L-E-L

I bet you also make clever remarks like "you believe in a proletarian revolution but you're middle class!" or whatever other contraditions you can spot through your superficial wikipedia-tier understanding of Marx

Read a book faget

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:52:30 2014 No.5913368 >>5913250 oh, you're that guy

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:56:51 2014 No.5913379

The evidence you know nothing about marxism L-E-L

I bet you also make clever remarks like "you believe in a proletarian revolution but you're middle class!" or whatever other contraditions you can spot through your superficial wikipedia-tier understanding of Marx

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 10:59:08 2014 No.5913387 >>5913379 Wow got yourself in a little mess there didn't you? Get out newcommer, you were not going to write anything good in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:07:32 2014 No.5913397 File: 117 KB, 320x263, fingerless-gloves-fedora.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I'm too smart to watch anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:29:39 2014 No.5913456 File: 66 KB, 750x751, pipe-fedora.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >emperor has no clothes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:32:06 2014 No.5913463 >>5913379 >>5913364 Butthurt and stupid Marxist detected

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:38:22 2014 No.5913488 >>5913387 >newcommer I chortled

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:44:04 2014 No.5913502 >>5913488 Had to be quick before you could delete the post. Now pls go, you're done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:46:09 2014 No.5913511 >>5913488 damn, made me snort a boog out my nose with that one, holmes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:54:34 2014 No.5913526 File: 78 KB, 620x372, Haruki-Murakami-010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >haruki will surely win the nobel award this year! >haruki is the epitome of jap literature!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:55:58 2014 No.5913530 this board is in a constant state of building up and tearing down ideas without producing anything of value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 11:56:15 2014 No.5913531 >>5913526 Murakami is engaging deeply with Japanese culture, especially in his more mature - post Windup - work. Plebs don't notice it because it's indirect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 12:05:23 2014 No.5913552 >>5913463 sick m8 you showed him

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 12:13:56 2014 No.5913574 >>5913531 b-but muh authentic weaboo culture. he's too western.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 12:25:31 2014 No.5913613 >>5913107 >The thing is that a fully free market doesn't even sound nice in theory. How is the idea of manly man in the middle of nowhere doing trade not a aestheticlly pleasing ideal?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 12:36:35 2014 No.5913649 >>5913530 this board is in a constant flux of creation and destruction its beautiful

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:20:49 2014 No.5914367

How is "I lived under communism" possibly stupid? My country was communist 20 years ago and I can speak about it with any elderly member of my family, hell I can go to the library and pick up a bunch of Marxist books.

One thing I can tell you is that Marxism is deeply fucked up.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:26:35 2014 No.5914394

>>5914367
How is "I live under capitalism" possibly stupid? My country is capitalist now and I can speak about it with any member of my family, hell I can go to the library and pick up a bunch of books.

One thing I can tell you is that capitalism is deeply fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:29:36 2014 No.5914402 >I'm a Marxist >I'm a Leninist >I'm a Trotskyite >I'm a Maoist >I'm a Stalinist >late capitalism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:30:09 2014 No.5914405 >>5914394 how is capitalism "deepy fucked up"? because some guy is richer than you and you feel you deserve to be as rich as him for no reason?

appendix !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 16:30:49 2014 No.5914409

>>5914367
It's a dumb argument because the experience of living a process isn't the same as sustaining it or changing it. It's like assuming anyone would understand how oxygen works since we keep breathing it. It doesn't mean you can't understand communism because you lived it, it's that you don't understand anything just because you lived it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:31:27 2014 No.5914414 >>5914367 Anecdotal evidence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:31:47 2014 No.5914416 File: 85 KB, 200x310, 1375766316657.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5914402 >2015 >not being a Hitlerist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:32:32 2014 No.5914419 >>5914402 >late capitalism Is actually a thing, you think the global capitalism we have to day is the same as the one we had in the 50's?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:32:47 2014 No.5914420 >>5914367 You didn't live under communism, you dingus. You lived under SOCIALISM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:33:18 2014 No.5914425 >I read literature to expand my mind, not for fun Fuck you, reading is glorified entertainment.

appendix !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 16:33:27 2014 No.5914426

>>5914405
>how is communsim "deepy fucked up"? because the party is richer than you and you feel you deserve to be as rich as them for no reason?

Joke aside, no system is inherently bad, the problem with modern capitalism is just that certain people got so well into it that the end game of complete liberty and regulation through fair play spirit will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:33:33 2014 No.5914427 >>5914414 >every country under a communist rule went to shit and basically everyone that experienced this will tell you >anecdotal evidence I'm guessing you also think living under Nazi Germany is anecdotal evidence?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:34:30 2014 No.5914435 >>5914426 >Joke aside, every system is inherently bad Fixed that for you

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:42:00 2014 No.5914469

>That's a logical fallacy

Oh really? So fucking what? You think humans, and the world in general actually work on logic? Fuck no. I bet you commit a couple thousand logical fallacies just when you make your goddamn breakfast you fat fuck.

Also i guess just college kids in general, talking like they actually know something. It takes about 10 years in the working world to figure out all the shit they learned in college doesn't actual work and the world is a chaotic, shitty, broke down place, and that's probably it's natural state.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:43:50 2014 No.5914479 >>5914469 The funny thing is that you sound like an undergrad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:45:21 2014 No.5914487 >>5914479 I actually have a graduate degree.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 16:45:53 2014 No.5914489

>>5914426
>no system is inherently bad
'Both as an expression of recognition for the great service rendered by him and as a memento of the prime importance of sound economic accounting, a statue of Professor Mises ought to occupy an honorable place in the great hall of the Ministry of Socialization or of the Central Planning Board of the socialist state'

appendix !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 16:55:54 2014 No.5914527

>>5914435
So you're saying that having any kind of system is bad or just economic/political systems?
Anyway, when most of this ideas were first brought up they had this meta story shine that made everyone sure that no matter what in 100 years shit would be SO dope. Whether it is a perfect market that has to help people to keep people wealthy or a communal world in which you put effort for the common goal and that's enough to deserve a prize or whatever. They all had good intentions and in the practice is when you see how broken they were.

>>5914489
A-are you insulting me?
I may be too dumb to get your joke, anon, I'm sorry for failing you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:05:44 2014 No.5914559 >>5914527 Systems that cannot/are extreme unlikely to work are bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:07:16 2014 No.5914568 >>5914559 You have to have gone to college to say something that stupid. Most systems cannot/are unlikely to work. You know what you do? Pretend it works. Study how economies work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:07:47 2014 No.5914572 >>5914487 You have a graduate degree and don't know the difference between its and it's?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:09:03 2014 No.5914579 >slippery slope

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:09:37 2014 No.5914582 >>5914572 >You have a graduate degree and don't know the difference between its and it's? he was a stem major

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:10:27 2014 No.5914587 >is this genre fiction series good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:12:34 2014 No.5914598 Analytic philosophy is, liek, soooo fucking austere. It's like splitting hair and chucking stones in glass houses

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:16:39 2014 No.5914617 >>5914568 Most systems are bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:20:18 2014 No.5914641 >>5914587 >genre fiction is never good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:24:47 2014 No.5914670 File: 120 KB, 451x559, pure ideology.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I like Hegel that's the first sign for you to ignore someone

cartas y testimonios !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 17:25:35 2014 No.5914674

>>5914559
It's really hard to know how likely to work will be something that has never been tried in human history and right after getting rid of more than a millennium of a pretty shitty system. You can't really blame them.

>>5914568
How is he gonna study economics in detail without going to college? He could even get a title that way instead of turning into an armchair commentator.
Your idea that systems inherently don't work is a bit silly. They work pretty well for the people in power who happens to control the jump from theory to practice.

>>5914579
Yes, but it's so funny to say.

>>	being this much of a peasant Sat Dec 27 17:30:19 2014 No.5914696 >>5914641 OMG read Gene Wolfe u pleb, he writes autist power fantasy with style so he's better xD

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:31:42 2014 No.5914700

>>5914674
>How is he gonna study economics in detail without going to college?

He could like....read a book? Or look shit up on the internet.

You realize college is basically obsolete right? You can learn anything you want anymore by just looking around the web.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:36:10 2014 No.5914732

>>5914700
>by just looking around the web.
That's not how you come by an *expertise*.

Unless you're willing to read dense bibliographies (and by this I mean, at least 20+ books -- not to speak of academic papers -- per subject/theme/topic), reading Wikipedia articles online won't cut it.

cartas y testimonios !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 17:36:53 2014 No.5914735

>>5914700
College gives you a paper that makes people pay more for your work, that by itself makes it more important if you're gonna devote time to it. Even more with economics people since the job is gonna be 70% networking, 20% having a piece of paper, 10% not fucking it up too much.

Unless you go to the shittiest college, you'll always get a better education than on your own. I may have my impressions affected by living in a country where we aren't expected to get tied forever into the system if we chose to study something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:37:10 2014 No.5914738 >>5914700 Are you really citing economic systems as an example of 'good/working' systems?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:37:35 2014 No.5914739 >ITT: pseudo intellectual drivel fify

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:45:04 2014 No.5914779 >>5914696 It's sad how easy it is to tell that you're the same shitposter from the Malazan thread. Get the fuck over it, you loud, obsessive faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:49:01 2014 No.5914804 >>5914420 underrated post

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:50:15 2014 No.5914811 >I really enjoyed "dystopian YA novel # 3401" Did you read it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 17:58:24 2014 No.5914852 >>5914419 People have literally talked about late capitalism since before Marx.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 18:42:28 2014 No.5915030 >>5913179 He was posting that as a [thing stupid people say].

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 18:45:34 2014 No.5915038 >Harry Potter is the best thing since since sliced bread?.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 18:52:59 2014 No.5915067 File: 7 KB, 250x200, 49357829.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >i hold my own meaning about concepts someone more smarter and educated than me has already developed and put into use >i hold this meaning to be absolutely true because it's mine

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:00:55 2014 No.5915091 >>5914738 No. Where did you get that, dipshit? I brought it up because it's a great example of something that doesn't work, but it does work because people pretend it does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:08:24 2014 No.5915117 >I think X is stupid, therefore it is and has no merit at all. >talking in an authoritative manner about things they at least haven't taken the time to read up on

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:13:28 2014 No.5915143

>You are the universe experiencing itself!
>Haha I can't believe people believe in an invisible man in the sky!
>We don't need religion anymore because of science
>All wars are caused by religion
>People actually believed the world was flat and you would fall off until Christopher Columbus came!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:31:49 2014 No.5915222 File: 2.75 MB, 200x150, 1419726709538.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5915091

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:43:55 2014 No.5915264 File: 71 KB, 640x475, us guys doing that.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >camus changed my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:45:36 2014 No.5915271 >>5915143 >you are the universe experiencing itself! how is this stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:47:55 2014 No.5915283 >>5915271 >>/psy/

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:50:23 2014 No.5915290

>>5915271
> phrase that attempts to be enlightening for people who never thought before
>doesn't actually mean anything or get to any point
>gets repeated multiple times by people who say it
it's typically spouted by hippy faggots who are ignorant as fuck about everything except everything being subjective

>>	una canallada !trap0OylHY Sat Dec 27 19:52:23 2014 No.5915299 >>5915117 >>talking in an authoritative manner about things they know are subjective >>talking in an authoritative manner about things they recently didn't believe in.

>>	truman !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Dec 27 19:53:38 2014 No.5915301 File: 74 KB, 720x960, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I love you

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:55:17 2014 No.5915308

>>5915290
but it does mean something, and it is almost a point in itself. I mean, if the universe is defined as everything which exists, and you exist, you are the universe. given that you are also within the universe, you are the sum of existence experiencing the sum of existence. its not like you're somehow some separate, alien entity that has been injected into this universe. it gave rise to you. it is as much you as the earth is, or your parents genes.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:57:18 2014 No.5915311

>>5915290
Its meaning is rather simple, it's saying that we're made of the same substance as the world outside us but we differ in that we are aware of it differently than the world is(if the world can said to be aware). This is striking because of how different the world outside and our own minds appear to be, it brings together two very differently experienced phenomena under, Id think, the framework of some materialist philosophy that asserts that we are 'just atoms' or whatever, which is also a remark on the strangeness of consciousness itself.

It's not deep by any means, but it certainly means something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:57:32 2014 No.5915313 >>5915290 >doesn't actually mean anything Just because most of the people who say things like that are dipshits who have never heard of Teilhard de Chardin doesn't invalidate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 19:57:33 2014 No.5915314 >Stalin was a mass murderer >Stalin was as bad as Hitler

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:00:57 2014 No.5915324

>>5915314
Stalin was a worse person than Hitler for sure, HItler was a murderous lunatic, but he at least loved some stuff, Stalin was clearly on the anti-social personality disorder spectrum, the man was just evil. If you think Stalin didn't personally cause the death of 'masses' you are deluded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:01:39 2014 No.5915326 File: 47 KB, 600x750, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5914469 >I swear

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:01:57 2014 No.5915328

>Stalin was a worse person than Hitler for sure, HItler was a murderous lunatic, but he at least loved some stuff, Stalin was clearly on the anti-social personality disorder spectrum, the man was just evil. If you think Stalin didn't personally cause the death of 'masses' you are deluded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:02:47 2014 No.5915329 >>5914487 top fucking kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:03:59 2014 No.5915333 >>5915328 quality rebuttal m8 communists when will they learn

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:11:23 2014 No.5915356 >>5913182 >faeries Simply epic, mr spencer

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:40:38 2014 No.5915471

>>5914469
this is true and been demonstrated in various studies: humans don't have the cognitive resources to employ logical reasoning to every thing that is proposed to them; and the truth of something doesn't change just because someone commits a fallacy: i could commit a fallacy that involves 2+2=4, the truth assignment of true remains the same whether I commit a fallacy to arrive at it equalling 4. It's only through affective systems we use to navigate most social situations. This of course excludes special cases of autists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 20:56:44 2014 No.5915524 >>5915264 But... He did

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:00:48 2014 No.5915548 Hitler did something wrong

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:05:03 2014 No.5915570

>>5914367
The problem is the human factor. It ruins everything. If people were perfect, then having the market "decide" everything would hardly be an issue. If people were perfect, having a very powerful vanguard to overthrow the evil capitalists wouldn't be an issue. Turns out, its fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:06:16 2014 No.5915576 >>5914419 Capitalism is going to go on for another 100 years at least. If the Singapore method takes hold, it might be another 300. What will we be in after another 50 years? Decrepit Capitalism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:13:17 2014 No.5915611 File: 134 KB, 1520x1080, autism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5915471 Autist life is the best life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:16:15 2014 No.5915625 >>5915576 Come on, you know you want to tell us, what is the singapore method?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:17:53 2014 No.5915635 >>5915625 capitaishm with ashian values

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:18:21 2014 No.5915638

>>5913234
The need for education is not quantifiable. In the modern society it is a profitable venture, but it's not quantifiable positive outside of a society.

"Good" certainly is quantifiable if you define "good" in a manner that uses quantities; life is good, money is good, sex is good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:23:06 2014 No.5915659 >>5914469 The world works according to logical principles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:24:08 2014 No.5915662 >>5915659 Nature does. Our shared world does not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:28:23 2014 No.5915683 File: 14 KB, 198x254, 111191.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5915662 >he actually believes this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:33:12 2014 No.5915712 >>5915683 Our shared world works off cause and effect initiated by mass amounts of people who utilize logic as one of a handful of different methods of analysis. Nature is logical, our world is casual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:36:11 2014 No.5915727 >>5915662 We are a part of nature. >>5915712 Logic is quite an encompassing term. You could claim all our analysis is some form of logic, be that deductive or Inductive.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:36:58 2014 No.5915734

>>5915311
>>5915308
Yeah, but the dude's point is that it's being used to sound deep but, when used, is hollow and unrelated to the original idea. It's saying, "we're all the same cause we're all starstuff bro" but trying to be less faggoty about it, incidentally becoming more faggoty in the process. Whatever it was intended to mean by it's coinage, it's now bastardized for a chic effect by hemp wearing stoners who can't into philosophy.
>which is the fucking point of this thread

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:39:18 2014 No.5915746

>>5915727
>We are a part of nature
We are selfaware and can deny the natural instinct to do something. I agree that we're animals and that we are a part of nature, but man has the ability to be counter to his progress for the sake of being a faggot about something.

>You could claim
YOU could claim that, but it would make the term meaningless for discussion. I can't stop you from being a pedantic shit just to be technically right, but in doing so you become functionally useless.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:43:41 2014 No.5915767

>>5915746
A human is the composite of its experiences, senses and biological makeup. The resonance of these features creates an emergent self that can use "non-logical" methods of decision for an action, insomuch as those methods create parameters that wouldn't normally be created in the pursuit of its goals simply because it can through an assertion of will. True Logic and Employed Logic are different and produce different results. The original thing I was responding to was about True Logic and you're beating around the bush for Employed Logic. Please don't conflate ideas just because you're bored and lonely and knew an autist like me would respond.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:45:10 2014 No.5915779 >>5915767 was supposed to reply to >>5915734 as a continuation of my thought here >>5915746 but I'm a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:48:08 2014 No.5915793 >>5915767 was supposed to be a reply to >>5915727 as a continuation of >>5915746 but I'm a fucking retard.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:50:17 2014 No.5915803

>>5915767
Logic does not deal with facts you stupid continental. Logical is a system that maintains validity. The world obeys logical principles (not necessarily one set) because the world by definition is complete. There is no true logic, all logic is true because it does not deal with propositions about the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:51:17 2014 No.5915806 >>5915803 True logic*

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:56:01 2014 No.5915833 >>5914427 Yes, obviously. Anecdotal evidence made up by Jews to slander Hitler's glorious reich. They don't want anyone to know how good Nazi Germany really was.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 21:58:22 2014 No.5915845 >>5913379 >>5913364 lul Get out Commie faggot, your bullshit isn't tricking anyone here.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:00:47 2014 No.5915856
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>>5913043
non-marxist leftist here. I'm not into -ism-s, but I share most of my political thought with anarchists and socialists (specifically chomsky [even though he's been btfo multiple times, more just chicken soup for the leftwing soul] and stirner).

marxist-leninist (or mao or trotskyheads or whatever soviet shit) are delusional. sure, the union was okay in some cases for a bit of time, but over all the soviet attempt at creating world communism was a failure and an example of how not to revolve.

real talk, though, dialectical materialism isn't a necessary part radical left wing politics. i think it would be most beneficial to drop it.

i guess we should need to accept that communism has been tried and it sucked. and then move forward and try to create a better movement. I mean failing once doesn't mean revolution is futile. capitalism took a long time to take over the feudal world.

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>>5914469
b8

if not, condescending and self-defeating.
> you don't shit until you've been through the same things I, a working adult, have gone through
>implying being a working adult is really more fulfilling that being a under-grad or even rolling in dirt

maybe in the relativity of human insight, but you ain't REALLY anything important, you especially aren't any more important than the fuckin college kid who says dumb shit.

also:
> the world is a chaotic, shitty, broke down place, and that's probably it's natural state.

mfw
no shit, dumb cunt. you're no special for figuring out humans have flaws. god you actually meet the definition of pretentious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:06:39 2014 No.5915886 What the hell is with people unironically identifying as Maoists here? Regardless of the "communism has never been tried" thing I'm sure everyone can agree Mao was retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:08:12 2014 No.5915895 >>5913041 >>I lived under communism! I hope someone kicks your ass.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:10:30 2014 No.5915905
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>>5914469
humans sometimes don't understand things, yes. we're merely animals. but the universe has always worked according to logic and concrete principles. congrats for finding out people aren't consistently rational. that doesn't make up for whatever unsound argument you presented that was called fallacious

(^:

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:13:46 2014 No.5915919 >there is no meaning >there is no value

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:19:11 2014 No.5915941 >>5915324 >he at least loved some stuff So did Stalin.

Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:33:29 2014 No.5915988

>>5915471
>>5914469

This sounds awfully like sore losers excusing themselves from self improvement.

Its pretty dumb to say that if humans are not perfectly rational, then there's no benefit to trying to think logically at all and fallacies should be ignored.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:35:46 2014 No.5915996 >Arguments aren't about winning; they're about being right!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 27 22:43:42 2014 No.5916022 >>5914425 It definitely does both

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 28 11:10:38 2014 No.5918034 >>5915734 was just about to say this but you summed it up perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 28 11:15:26 2014 No.5918048 >>5915996 Well, that depends on the conext, are you having a debate? Then it's about winning. Are you engaging in discourse? Then it's about truth.

Anonymous Sun Dec 28 11:25:03 2014 No.5918075

>>5915803
Except, you know, when it's employed in everyday use by imperfect human beings. Analytics vs Continental is such a dumb meme argument shoved by people that can't understand multiperspective analysis, I sincerely hope you don't actually use that as a discussion point irl; you'll look like such a faggoty cunt and people will think less of you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 28 16:18:54 2014 No.5919055 >>5913043 >pure ideology

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 28 16:47:46 2014 No.5919163 >>5914670 http://pervegalit.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/how-to-fake-your-way-through-hegel/ It's not so bad once you know the rules.

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