Are the actually people on this board that became Christians because they don't want to be associated with the fedora meme? Are people actually this stupid?

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Anonymous Fri Nov 7 00:54:53 2014 No.5692271 [Reply] [Original]

Are the actually people on this board that became Christians because they don't want to be associated with the fedora meme?
Are people actually this stupid?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:02:22 2014 No.5692296 >>5692271 Are the actually people on this board that became Athiests because they don't want to be associated with the le advice god meme? Are people actually this stupid?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:04:35 2014 No.5692301 I'm religious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:05:50 2014 No.5692304 Some people actually finds human constructions that evolved and changed for thousands of years interesting and worth of more analysis than "it didn't happen" and "people used to rule"

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:07:48 2014 No.5692307 As soon as I saw the fedorameme, I knew years of Internet persecution were ahead of me. I drove the nearest church and was baptized in the special adult-sized pool where you can watch Fraiser as they the priests speak in Latin or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:09:27 2014 No.5692311 >>5692271 Are the actually people on this board that believed what other people said because they thought they don't want to be associated with the fedora meme? Are people actually this stupid?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:14:27 2014 No.5692319

>>5692271
Fedora meme was created by christians who didn't feel comfortable saying atheists are going to hell, so they use a fedora meme, not because they are clever or because it is good, but because they honestly have nothing to say. They are mentally impaired for the most part, the poor animals.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:14:31 2014 No.5692320

>>5692271
The negative press towards "new atheists" has worked on some fools, but they sit on the sidelines as "lol agnostic master race" types.

>>5692304
I do still read about it and find some of it interesting, but I grow more bitter thinking about what could have been for my fellow humans. Apologies

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>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:15:18 2014 No.5692323 >>5692271 No, but I converted to Christianity wen I found out that moth tripfag was atheist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:17:19 2014 No.5692330 >>5692320 >grew bitter Judging from the posts I've seen you make, you don't even know enough about the subject to justify having any emotion whatsoever towards it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:19:04 2014 No.5692334 I and my whole family converted to Christianity in real life and we post all day on /lit/ spreading the word of God because we don't want to be associated with the meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:20:05 2014 No.5692336 >>5692320 I'm an atheist and I can tell you the new atheists are laughed at the level they deserve.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:21:29 2014 No.5692339 I met a fellow ex-atheist in church last Sunday. We both have similar backgrounds, having converted to Christianity to disassociate ourselves from reddit.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:22:37 2014 No.5692340

>>5692319

christians co-opted the meme, it was created by a contempt for cringeworthy ok cupid profiles that spans all belief systems including atheists

the source material of the fedora meme is very much worthy of the kind of scorn the fedora meme implies, but then it was transformed by the intellectually lazy into a hollow insult, this is the general life cycle of all memes

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:22:38 2014 No.5692341 Sigh. Why do people think that not atheist means religious and not religious means atheist?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:24:16 2014 No.5692345

>>5692320
>thinking about what could have been for my fellow humans.
That's dumb as fuck, beautiful butters. If anything the middle ages were a process of retroalimentation between society and religion.
The first presence of the concept of art as something that should exist by itself and is meritful in its beauty, even away from religious needs, came with christianity and the Enlightenment started and ended trying to force some anthropological justification to keep it around. Science, against absurd psuedo science like alchemy, was supported exclusively by the church in a time when utility was even more important than it is now. Even the chance of the masses being able to read came with the minuscule and the clergy, before that you would be lucky to read a dozen books in your life and you needed someone to teach you how to read each unless you were some prodigy (or were lying your ass off). Religion by itself did nothing, if there were violent means to keep a status quo or general shitiness among the people was because of the times and context.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:24:47 2014 No.5692346

>>5692336

people in general, especially young people in general, don't have well-thought out beliefs, and their certainty is disproportionately high

as the culture changes, these people went from being retarded christians to being retarded atheists (they didnt necessarily personally change beliefs, although that occurs too, but at any rate, the population changes, believers get replaced, but the change is not one of intelligence)

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:26:21 2014 No.5692351 Being religious is good.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:27:17 2014 No.5692352

>>5692346
I don't even hate those people, I specifically hate the New Atheists because they're either very immature and stupid for senior citizens, or they're intentionally obtuse in order to cash in with the crowd you mentioned and generate le epic controversy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:28:29 2014 No.5692354 >>5692320 >tripping with an insect >ebin dark ages meme 8/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:28:37 2014 No.5692355 >>5692307 >>5692334 >>5692339 Sorry, Jesus requires a deeper level of sincere commitment. You'll probably go to hell anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:28:58 2014 No.5692357 >>5692296 >>5692311 try harder

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:28:59 2014 No.5692358
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>>5692341

hard to get properly self-righteous about issues with too much subtlety

and what's the point of discussing "beliefs" if you can't work yourself into a frothing, self-righteous ecstasy?

it's best to think in black and white terms, that's how you really get off

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:29:48 2014 No.5692360 >>5692334 I can't stop laughing at the idea of two anons vehemently discussing some shit who are actually a mother and her son in the same room.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:29:53 2014 No.5692361

>>5692330
1/10

>>5692339
0/10 I'm sick'o yer shit anon

>>5692336
I don't even bother categorizing. The arguments are all still the same sound ones. Like this "SJW" bullshit. Agent provocateurs like.

>>5692341
The definitions of the simple to understand words. The faithful and the absence of faith.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:30:06 2014 No.5692363 >>5692352 >New Atheists >senior citizens literally who?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:33:18 2014 No.5692368 Obviously there are some dumb people who claim to be religious, but the very smartest people I've met in my life—the cream of the crop—believed in God.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:33:51 2014 No.5692370 >>5692363 Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, the three of the "four horsemen" (kek) Either or that or they all three just look old as fuck.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:34:08 2014 No.5692372

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*tips fedora*

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:34:13 2014 No.5692373 >>5692368 ok buddy

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:36:14 2014 No.5692375 >>5692345 >That's dumb as fuck No, it's not. My priority is to see humanity grow out into the stars, and I don't think that's going to happen now. And it's the spooks that are killing us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:36:17 2014 No.5692376 >>5692368 This. >shit tier: fundie christians >low tier: euphoric atheists >mid tier: humean skeptics >high tier: intelligent christians

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:36:55 2014 No.5692377 >>5692271 /Lit/ had Christian threads before /pol/ was even made.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:37:28 2014 No.5692379 >>5692376 Fuck your categories

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:38:10 2014 No.5692384 >>5692376 >believing in a magical man in the sky >high intelligence lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:38:14 2014 No.5692385 File: 18 KB, 300x300, leoutman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692375 >implying human "progress" isn't a spook Get out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:39:26 2014 No.5692388 THE VERY FACT THAT SOMEONE BELIEVES IN A CHRISTIAN GOD PROVES THEY THINK HUMANITY IS THE CENTER OF EXISTENCE WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PRIMITIVE AND SELFISH FUCK YOURSELVES CHRISTFAGS

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:40:32 2014 No.5692392 >>5692388 This Is What Atheists Actually Believe

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:40:37 2014 No.5692393 >>5692384 >>5692379 Glad to see like-minded atheists such as myself on this unenlightened cesspool! Are you guys also from r/atheism?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:41:17 2014 No.5692394 Are the actually people on this board that became statists because they don't want to be associated with the le spooky man meme? Are people actually this stupid?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:41:52 2014 No.5692396

>>5692392
THIS IS HOW CHRISTFAGS ARGUE

FACE IT, YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF GOD

FAITH IS NOT PROOF OF GOD

THERE IS 0 EVIDENCE

AND THE FACT THAT OF ALL THE GODS THAT HAVE HUMANITY HAS EVER CLAIMED TO EXIST, YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN ONE AND NONE ELSE, PROVES YOU ARE ALMOST AS MUCH AS AN ATHEIST AS ME

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:42:08 2014 No.5692397 >>5692393 >>5692392 clutches crucifix

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:42:25 2014 No.5692399

>>5692385
>Hates Stirner
>Uses "spook" as a meme
>Tells me to leave
Pff

It's shorthand. If I had left it without the term, I'd be accused of blaming religion alone on all of our problems. But as you should well know by now that money is the world's biggest danger, and yes, quite regressive of us to hold onto it so tightly like we used to hold our gods.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:42:36 2014 No.5692400 >>5692396 hahaha

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:42:53 2014 No.5692401 >>5692393 great one sport try again

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:43:13 2014 No.5692403 >>5692396 >>5692388 >>5692384 >>5692379 I thought we could stop pretending to be Christian, but it looks like we jumped the gun. We'll need this fedora meme for at least another 4 months to cleanse this 9gag influence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:44:15 2014 No.5692406 >>5692400 >THAT SHOWED HIM

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:45:18 2014 No.5692408 >>5692399 Human progress is a spook, get the fuck out of here Thomas Paine. You despise the Christian God, but you still worship his shadow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:46:52 2014 No.5692410 Why do the 'religious' people on here always resort to buzzwords and memes? Why can't they have a rational debate about this? Oh, that's right. Religion is not rational and preys on people's fears.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:47:50 2014 No.5692412 File: 431 KB, 576x432, 1409843951485.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692379 >she hasn't surpassed tier 2 yet

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:48:06 2014 No.5692413 >>5692408 You first /r9k/ antinatalist. His "shadow" as you put it, is humanity. Not a spook.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 01:50:24 2014 No.5692417 File: 1.22 MB, 500x360, Cleese - no.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692412 You haven't even been toilet trained

>>	name Fri Nov 7 01:50:32 2014 No.5692418 >>5692372 Now I have to put on my pants, go to the bathroom and namefag after being exposed by this masterful anon and being humiliated for being a pantless nameless anon holding up among many other things!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:50:52 2014 No.5692419 >>5692413 >antinatalist >r9k You sure use a lot of buzzword crutches for someone pretending to be a rational atheist. Prove to me what human "progress" entails or you're as bad as your little Christian spooks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:50:56 2014 No.5692420 Atheism, babby's first philosophical conviction, which many unfortunately never progress beyond.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:52:25 2014 No.5692422 >>5692420 Religion, literally babby's first encounter with indoctrination, which many unfortunately never progress beyond.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:54:26 2014 No.5692425 >>569248 GOTCHA!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:56:12 2014 No.5692430 Atheists are such philosophical lightweights that they sincerely compare religious faith to belief in the Easter Bunny.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 01:58:06 2014 No.5692433

>>5692413
I don't understand why you tripfag, most people who have taken a casual semester of philosophy are already above your level. Why do you wish to "show off" in an area where even the most mediocre people outclass you?

Not even trolling, I'm honestly curious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:01:29 2014 No.5692441 >>5692430 Tell me how it's different

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 02:04:18 2014 No.5692443 >>5692430 Because that is what religious faith amounts to. Fucking dense. >>5692433 Piffle. You said nothing. Congrats.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:12:49 2014 No.5692465 File: 57 KB, 950x534, 1415340875774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692443 If you don't share...our enthusiasm for philosophy....and care for the vision of this board... Get out, get your shit and get out. You're done.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:16:38 2014 No.5692472

>>5692443
>Because that is what religious faith amounts to
It is literally impossible to have any meaningful knowledge of philosophy and think this. You have not read Descartes, you have not read kant, you have not read Hegel, you have not read Aquinas or Augustine, you have not read Nietzsche, you have not read any of the Greeks, why the fuck are you offering your opinions? Seriously why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:20:34 2014 No.5692482 >>5692472 >You have not read Descartes, you have not read kant, you have not read Hegel, you have not read Aquinas or Augustine, you have not read Nietzsche, you have not read any of the Greeks, neither have you bigshot

ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 02:22:13 2014 No.5692487

>>5692430
Atheists are generally philosophical lightweights, but so are Christians. I once dated a qt Christian girl who was studying Arabic but she refused to read the Koran for practice so she got he grade lowered.

Christians who actually think beyond Jesus Saves can be smart, but a lot of them are dumb as shit and don't make any significant effort to even look for nuance or guidance or meaning in the Bible, they're just superstitious dingbats who aren't any more intellectual than people who talk about the Illuminati or ghosts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:22:30 2014 No.5692488 wow that's such a classy facepalm OP you must be really intelligent

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:23:17 2014 No.5692492 File: 951 KB, 1022x874, 1415169302335.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692482 >someone typed this out unironically I need to leave this website.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:24:58 2014 No.5692497 >>5692482 It will take you less than 6 months to gain a basic understanding of all the philosophers mentioned, just do it, it isn't that hard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:25:59 2014 No.5692502 >>5692487 Well, not everyone can be as enlightened as you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:26:13 2014 No.5692503 >>5692443 nah, religious texts tend to me more complex than that. the bible certainly isn't lightweight

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 02:30:01 2014 No.5692514 >>5692502 Yeah they can, or at least most people can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:30:50 2014 No.5692516 >>5692502 nice meme

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:31:47 2014 No.5692521 Honestly I find believers who consider all atheists to be of the euphoric sort just as annoying as the rabidly anti-faith atheists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:33:12 2014 No.5692525 >>5692472 >religion=philosophy Maybe you should start with religious texts, and then move on to interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:36:36 2014 No.5692533 File: 17 KB, 373x330, atheists.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] reminder

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:38:27 2014 No.5692535 >>5692533 >personally I find garbage about as annoying as trash >U JUST WAN FEEL SUPERIOR

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 02:38:41 2014 No.5692538 >>5692533 The important thing is you can feel superior to someone simply because they feel superior.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:40:13 2014 No.5692539

Question: If we were to meet in real life, and got into a discussion about religion, and you asked me what religion I belonged to, and I said I was an atheist, would you automatically assume I was the fedora variety?

I fear I can't even mention that I don't happen to be a believer without being privately ridiculed.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 02:41:13 2014 No.5692542 >>5692539 Christians are ridiculed in pop culture far more than atheists are.

Jetfire Fri Nov 7 02:45:59 2014 No.5692549

>>5692542
This. The entire fedora-tipper meme is confined almost exclusively to 4chan, Reddit, and maybe SomethingAwful.

Especially when speaking with a twentysomething, a sort of passive, unthinking atheism seems to be the norm, especially in Europe.

And they wonder why the entire continent's going to shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:46:22 2014 No.5692552 >>5692542 this so much fucking atheist victim complex

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:46:31 2014 No.5692553 >>5692271 I don't believe in God. But I also don't think of myself as an Atheist. To be honest, I just don't find it terribly important either way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:48:02 2014 No.5692557 >>5692553 by definition you are an atheist

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:49:09 2014 No.5692561 >>5692542 I didn't ask about pop culture, I asked what the reaction from a typical religious person on /lit/ (ie someone who doesn't bash faith as a source of humour like pop culture does) would be if I mentioned I was an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:49:52 2014 No.5692562 >>5692549 Europe was always shit. >The Crusades >The Black Death >The 30 years war >Continental Philosophy >Communism - t. Eurofag

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:50:46 2014 No.5692565 >>5692549 >whole continent going to shit Excuse me? I see a lot of Americans post this, but I don't think one of them has ever back it up with anything other than 'muslamics'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:50:49 2014 No.5692566 >>5692562 shut up

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:51:07 2014 No.5692568 >>5692443 >Because that is what religious faith amounts to. Fucking dense. Why has it taken me so long to filter someone this stupid? Absolutely disgusting shit-poster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:51:10 2014 No.5692569 >>5692562 Europe sort of created the modern world so there's that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:53:28 2014 No.5692575 >>5692566 No. >The Spanish Inquisition >la Terreur >Colonialism >The Great War >The Great War II: Jewish Boogaloo >Eurovision Song Contest

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:53:32 2014 No.5692576 I became Christian after reading Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, Aquinas, etc. and coming to understand the sublime nature of God.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 02:53:51 2014 No.5692577 >>5692561 In real life? People in real life don't act like rude imbeciles, because real life isn't 4chan. If you're both intellectuals, then the person will be polite, they won't like lol fedora xD because it's real life, not 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:54:29 2014 No.5692578 >>5692569 >The Modern World The most damning proof of all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:54:51 2014 No.5692580 >>5692575 Are these cherry picked historical events meant to proof something or am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:55:18 2014 No.5692582 >>5692576 No you didn't. That's impossible. Religious people can't read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:55:28 2014 No.5692584 >>5692575 shut up

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:55:31 2014 No.5692585 >>5692576 You mean that he's imaginary and therefor perfect? Like your waifu

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:58:31 2014 No.5692591 >>5692576 hahahahhahahhahahahhahhah

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:58:54 2014 No.5692592 >>5692578 kek i take your point. Although to what former utopia do you implicitly refer in your distaste for it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 02:59:52 2014 No.5692596 >>5692580 >The Albigensian Crusade >The Hundred Years War >The Persecution of the Huguenots >Window Tax >Association Football >America I can keep going all day, I have wikipedia open.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:00:14 2014 No.5692598 >>5692576 Yeah same thing with me although Bach and Mozart played a large part as well. And it wasn't necessarily the Russians who really imparted it to me in literature, maybe more the French.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:01:46 2014 No.5692603 Theism is by far the more sensible option. Any philosophy that doesn't account for the Absolute is left with a huge hole that man wants an explanation to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:07:31 2014 No.5692618 >>5692562 >Crusades >bad We're getting over the Protestant propaganda, get with the times

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:08:11 2014 No.5692621

>>5692592
None, human beings aren't capable of creating a single state that caters to the needs of all possible groups; tribal pastoralists feel lost in a technocratic mob democracy, and workaholic freemarket entrepeneurial techno-fetishists are out of place in an economically controlled socialist "utopia".

No society is going to make everybody happy or address everyone's needs, and as such any society will always have a periphery group of people within it who are direly and hideously unhappy with the state of things.

The ruling classes change over time, but we really just stumble along blindly from one form of oppression to another.

Last century was a pisser if you were black or a woman, now you're fucked if you haven't the aptitude for either factory or service work, because those are the only two viable options left anymore.

Mistakes mistakes mistakes.

New ones, old ones, and ones we made so long ago that they seem like new ones.

We're just fucked really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:09:19 2014 No.5692627 >>5692621 Lovely! Would you like to drink and wallow in a gutter or ravine with me? It only seems appropriate.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:09:39 2014 No.5692629

Damn, this thread explains a lot.

People who theists admire: Christ, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, Aquinas, Bach, Mozart.

People who atheists admire: Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, that older kid who told them Santa Claus wasn't real, Ricky Gervais, True Detective guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:10:06 2014 No.5692631 >>5692618 >Supports religious wars Insha'Allah, Brother.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:11:07 2014 No.5692633 >>5692627 Yes. That sounds like something I'd do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:13:46 2014 No.5692640 >>5692633 Well there we are, throw yourself at the next scene of depravity you encounter, after all we're doomed to muddled blasphemies, why not embrace them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:14:48 2014 No.5692642 >>5692618 millennial reminder that the Muslims won.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:15:22 2014 No.5692644 >>5692642 In what sense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:17:55 2014 No.5692651 >>5692644 In the sense that they killed most the Christfags then drove the rest into the sea, and sat around smoking keif in their hareems 'til Genghis Khan showed up and obliterated their civilisation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:18:00 2014 No.5692652 >>5692644 There are no crusader states in the Holy Land.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:18:54 2014 No.5692653

>>5692631
It's hilarious that westerners of today condemn centuries old conflicts after the shit we had in
the 20th century.
The pointless horrors of WW1 would be incomprehensible to a crusader. Every medieval war is a walk in the park compared to it. And if you really think Crusades were about religion instead of defensive conflict you need to read more. Every war would be relious by that definition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:18:55 2014 No.5692654 >>5692652 But Britain? >>5692651 Yeah fair. The Euros were fucking lucky Khan never reached them

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:19:26 2014 No.5692659 >>5692640 That's what I've been doing for the most part. But I can't tell if you're being ironic or not. /oh well/

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:20:56 2014 No.5692664 >>5692654 >British Empire >Crusader state Maybe I should have put it this way: when the Crusades ended, the Holy Land was under Muslim control.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:21:10 2014 No.5692666

>>5692653
The difference is that we see the Crusades as being religious wars, ie. meaningless to our modern philosophical views, whereas WW1 we see as being an 'accident' and WW2 we see as a response to aggression or to save the Jews depedning on how revisionist you'd like to be. Not that any of this is remotely true, it was power all along, but that's the general feeling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:22:11 2014 No.5692672 >>5692664 No yeah my bad, idk why I even brought that up, Israel just occurs to me whenever I think of the 'holy land'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:23:18 2014 No.5692673 File: 64 KB, 600x750, 1282771684576.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5692271 Are there actually people on this board that became Athiests because they want to be associated with the "smarts"? Are people actually this stupid?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:24:44 2014 No.5692675

>>5692629
>People who atheists admire: Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, that older kid who told them Santa Claus wasn't real, Ricky Gervais, True Detective guy.

i think you mean neckbeard atheists

stop cherrypicking something you know is false

you arent fooling anyone

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:24:54 2014 No.5692676

>>5692653
I pray to Allah that you never fall through a rift in space and time which deposits you at the Siege of Constantinople circa 717.

You would be quite thoroughly disbursed of your notion that medieval warfare is somehow a "cakewalk".

However, failing a one in a billion billion chance occurring as invoked on an Assamese Puppetshow imageboard I'll have to settle for calling you wrong and stupid.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:27:41 2014 No.5692685

>>5692666
Part of it too, is that so few people really have a grasp on how horrifying the "Great Wars" really were. Especially the first, at least on the front.

It's as if many just can't get a handle on the numbers, and kinda hand-wave it as "Yeah lots of people shot each other, more than usual" when it's more like "A giant football-sized woodchipper designed to eat men would be pathetically inefficient when compared to WWI".

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:28:06 2014 No.5692686 Would we have groups like ISIS if religion did not exist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:30:37 2014 No.5692689 >>5692686 Well we'd have definitely still had a Saddam, and he wasn't any nicer.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:30:49 2014 No.5692691

>>5692666
Okay, can you please tell me with your great wisdom what the Christian West was supposed to do? Should they have sit back and take it in the ass after 1/3 of Europe was conquered and Muslims were fucking up their territories for centuries? I guess they should have all kissed and made up.

Fuck your simplistic revisions of history. "Oh that was all crazy religious shit, why would I actually inform myself I'll just watch the History channel"

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:32:29 2014 No.5692697 >>5692691 I was not even remotely decrying the Crusades. I was talking about how people view stuff. >>5692685 I agree, it's incomprehensibly horrific along with that whole plethora of other incomprehensibly horrific shit we create.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:35:55 2014 No.5692706 >>5692686 Of course.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:41:16 2014 No.5692721 >>5692686 >would we have ww2 if politics didn't exist

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:49:39 2014 No.5692738

>>5692691

But the Crusades didn't target Europe (except for the Fourth Crusade, kek.) Of course the expansion of Muslim power was the impetus behind them, but it's stupid to pretend that their main purpose—the conquest of the Levant—was in the interest of self-defense.

There is a middle ground between "evil proto-imperialist sky fairy worshippers" and "noble defenders of the faith driving back the heathen scourge," you know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:53:15 2014 No.5692753 If you're a teenager who still believes in God, you're naïve. If you're an adult who's still an atheist, you're even more naïve.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:54:21 2014 No.5692755 >>5692753 Expand on that if you can? :^)

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 03:55:47 2014 No.5692759

I was a self-declared atheist from the age of 14. By age 18, I began to wonder what exactly I was distinguishing myself from. Could I truly call myself an atheist without even knowing what the fuck I was denying? Not really. I could, but my only cognitive conclusions could be drawn from ignorance and faith.

I'm 22 now, and I'm renewing my inquiry while trying to keep an impartial view. I've understood some aspects of Aristotle thus far, and I must admit, the logical integrity of the four causes - as primitive as they are - really underline a metaphysical supposition for the prime mover, God. You can go further with this frame of logic and assume this God to possess intelligence. With that being said, it begs the question as to whether or not this God can be a personal one, or if he has died, or if he even cares of his creation.

My position of trying to remain impartial tells me that I'm agnostic. But within the confines of my personal admission I'm starting to see lean toward theism. At any rate, I'll press on and immerse myself in the renaissance period where modernism came to be. I can hopefully find alternative or contrary beliefs to further kindle my inquiry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 04:06:08 2014 No.5692771 /lit/ is probably the most openly atheist board on this website tbh

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:05:17 2014 No.5692904

Absolute shit tier:
>new atheists (use arguments from the internet comics, don't know basic philosophy and basic terms, no knowledge of logical fallacies, pretentious and edgy as fuck)
>believers which want to shove their views down your throat
Shit tier:
>atheists who have more knowledge than the new atheists (internet atheists let's say) but are still pretentious, edgy and attack religion whenever possible
Mid tier:
>quiet theists
>quiet atheists
High tier:
>Agnostic
God tier:
>Theists which reevaluated their belief, changed their belief from one form to another, are well-read, know philosophy, read literature, don't try to shove their belief down everyone's throat
>Atheists who didn't become atheists by reading one single piece of work or a comic on the internet, who don't attack anyone who has beliefs different than theirs, well-read, knows philosophy
>same as above, but was a theist before becoming an atheist

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:10:29 2014 No.5692911 >>5692759 autism

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:11:30 2014 No.5692915 >>5692904 Below scum tier: >using tiers

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:41:27 2014 No.5692972 >>5692915 mad new atheist detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:48:13 2014 No.5692981 >>5692653 Crusaders would've been fine with WW2 though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 05:48:45 2014 No.5692982 >>5692972 immature virgin detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 09:20:53 2014 No.5693347 The fedora meme, if anything, taught me not to flaunt my lack of beliefs and belittle others, and basically not be a douche.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 09:25:59 2014 No.5693360 >>5693347 The fedora meme taught me to get off 4chan because people argue by posting pictures of a fat man with a hat here

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 09:29:03 2014 No.5693364 File: 303 KB, 454x463, 1408724806498.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5693360

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Nov 7 09:37:38 2014 No.5693379
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>>5693347
>Christians flashing inane pictures of a fat guy shamed into hiding my true lack of belief

You can't be for real.
>and basically not be a douche.
Basically letting Christians continue their douchery

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 09:40:33 2014 No.5693382 >>5693379 Your life is pathetic, butterfly, isn't it?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 09:42:13 2014 No.5693385
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>>5693379
No, if there is douchebaggery, I will confront it, but there are lots of Christians that are okay people, and I would be a fedora fag if I rubbed my viewpoint in their face every day.

Be a Good Guy Greg, not a Fedora Atheist.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 09:54:58 2014 No.5693397 >>5693385 I dislike smug atheists as much as the next guy, but saying you shouldn't make fun of religion because it makes a 'douche' and it isn't 'nice' makes about as much sense as saying it's 'rude' to say astrology or ancient aliens are bullshit.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:14:06 2014 No.5693428

>>5692904
But the people defined as "new atheists" are Daniel Dennet and Sam Harris. These people know basic philosophy(Harris even has a degree in philosophy from stanford) and logical fallacies. Do you think any of the 4 horsemen came to their atheism because of internet comics?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:17:02 2014 No.5693436

>>5693397
Like I said, when there's douchebaggery, I confront it. If some Christian is being an idiot about something, I point it out with snark. But I don't initiate and I co-exist. Because, y'know, that's kind of what we're supposed to do as civilized human beings: co-exist and try to grow and maintain peaceful interaction with each other. Are you seriously saying I should go around making fun of Christians, unprovoked?

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:20:14 2014 No.5693444

>>5693397
>>5693436
By the way, I fall under this category:
>>5692904
>Atheists who didn't become atheists by reading one single piece of work or a comic on the internet, who don't attack anyone who has beliefs different than theirs, well-read, knows philosophy

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:26:08 2014 No.5693452 >>5692375 I've always thought of you as just another attention whore, but using "human progress" and "spooks" in the same post shows you're just retarded

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:30:04 2014 No.5693458

>>5692443
It really doesn't matter what religious faith amounts to you, considering all the good and bad it has unleashed upon mankind.

Honestly, you can repeat your LE HOLY MAN IN SKY KEK THAS 4KIDZ I'M LE ADULT ATHEIST :-DDDDDDDDD all you want, religion is a prime component of mankind, and it has been since forever, and will probably still be when you come to pass

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:31:50 2014 No.5693464

>>5692487
They would be dumb if they were atheists too, I can easily see a christian reading the Quran (outside of whatever bullshit fundamental christianism is currently spouted in the US), but I can just as easily see le atheist knight pretending to have read the bible but refusing to do so anyway.

For the record, I'm a atheist, I'm just very interested in religion

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:34:18 2014 No.5693467 >>5692629 I admire a lot of the same people Christians admire. I just don't place much special significance on their belief in god.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:36:51 2014 No.5693474 >>5693458 Forceful copulation was a prime component of mankind, and it has been since forever. Somehow we moved on from that though.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 10:55:49 2014 No.5693523

>>5692629
Wow two can play at this game.

People who theists admire: Christ, Abraham(yeah that guy that was about to murder his son), George Bush, Rick Warren, Pat Robertson, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh.

People who atheists admire: Socrates, Galileo, Einstein, Nietzsche, Hawking, Feynman

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 11:40:08 2014 No.5693622

Okay guys, I have a question. I watched WLC debate with Shelly Kagan and Lawrence Krauss and it's evident that WLC's arguments for God by creation of the universe, fine-tuning, and objective morality are completely destroyed and while WLC seems like a good-natured old man, he's no match intellectually to both if these people. Can someone suggest other highly respected individuals who belive in God and have written their case for doing so (if they started out as an atheist then it would be perfect)?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 11:45:13 2014 No.5693634 >>5693622 Read Kierkegaard. There is no intellectually reasonable defense of christianity and religion, you just have to make the leap of faith.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 11:57:36 2014 No.5693658

Speaking as an atheist, Coleridge said it best:

If dead, we cease to be; if total gloom
Swallow up life's brief flash for aye, we fare
As summer-gusts, of sudden birth and doom,
Whose sound and motion not alone declare,
But are their whole of being! If the breath
Be Life itself, and not its task and tent,
If even a soul like Milton's can know death;
O Man! thou vessel purposeless, unmeant,
Yet drone-hive strange of phantom purposes!
Surplus of Nature's dread activity,
Which, as she gazed on some nigh-finished vase,
Retreating slow, with meditative pause,
She formed with restless hands unconsciously.
Blank accident! nothing's anomaly!
If rootless thus, thus substanceless thy state,
Go, weigh thy dreams, and be thy hopes, thy fears,
The counter-weights! -- Thy laughter and thy tears
Mean but themselves, each fittest to create
And to repay the other! Why rejoices
Thy heart with hollow joy for hollow good?
Why cowl thy face beneath the mourner's hood?
Why waste thy sighs, and thy lamenting voices,
Image of Image, Ghost of Ghostly Elf,
That such a thing as thou feel'st warm or cold?
Yet what and whence thy gain, if thou withhold
These costless shadows of thy shadowy self?
Be sad! be glad! be neither! seek, or shun!
Thou hast no reason why! Thou canst have none;
Thy being's being is contradiction.

Existence is nihilistic. This is so horrifying to contemplate that many (perhaps all) of us turn to irrational fantasies to contemplate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 11:58:48 2014 No.5693660 >>5693658 *compensate, sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:01:43 2014 No.5693667 >>5693523 Bs Socrates was a theist and so was plato. The fuck do you think "the Good" is? And they're definitely admired by theist, historically, seeing as Augustine and a lit of early Christian philosophy was based on platonic thought.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:04:17 2014 No.5693670

>>5693634
The point is that there is no intellectually defensible reason for ANYTHING, reason is just a subset of faith. People choose to accept certain things as "prooved" and not accept a God because they are biased and want those things to be true for selfish reasons, but at the end of the day, everything is belief, nothing can be known for certain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:10:24 2014 No.5693684 >>5693670 Such revolutionary epistemology. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:20:17 2014 No.5693712 >>5693670 muh Descartes holy shit learn to epistemology you dingus read Bertrand Russel

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:21:48 2014 No.5693716 >>5693523 >no 20th century philosophers >pleb-tier post

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 12:50:04 2014 No.5693799 Why would you become a Christian to avoid being associated with the Fedora meme only to be associated with stupid shit eating Fundamentalists who think the world is going to end because of Violent Video games and gay marriage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:17:39 2014 No.5693874 >>5692271 I think they are all trolls. Most of them are from /pol/, and /pol/ is full of trolls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:19:31 2014 No.5693880 >>5692271 If they have done that they don't deserve going to heaven. You must have faith in order to do that.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:22:01 2014 No.5693889

It shouldn't matter whether atheism is intellectually unsatisfying if you are not caught up in how others rate your intellect (which is an immature thing to do), since theism is a hypothetical construct which effectively aims at giving you answers you don't have rational access to. So its main goal can't extend that of helping yourself navigate the decisions you make in life based on that construct. If you are already confident in yourself, that shouldn't be a problem at all. You are neglecting a tool you don't need.

That's just my pleb opinion

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:22:50 2014 No.5693892 >>5693874 >I think they are all trolls. 4chan: the quote

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:26:04 2014 No.5693902 >>5693892 Kek. It's true. I've seen many people here thinking /pol/ is serious business. It's a joke board. I know there are retards there who really belive that Ben Gasmaggedon is a nazi, but still that doesn't make /pol/ a serious board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 13:33:16 2014 No.5693921 >>5692271 I'm ashamed to call myself an atheist because of all this atheist edgyness. When someone asks I just tell them I'm a non-believer. Same thing but sounds better.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 14:13:36 2014 No.5694014

>>5693921
Non-believer. I like that. I might use it.
I don't even identify as atheist, really. I go by Agnostic, because of course none of us can prove anything. But in my heart I don't really *believe* in any type of omniscient power, so I go by "atheist-agnostic," but non-believer sounds much better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 15:52:59 2014 No.5694289 >>5693712 >read russell Why? He's a fucking lightweight who can't into Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 16:35:59 2014 No.5694470 I don't believe in God but I can dig christianity in the christ move to go against the world as a fucking based man

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 17:27:55 2014 No.5694728 >>5693428 Harris has a fucking bachelor's, and Dennett is a hack. Their own writings on philosophy can show you how shit they are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 18:44:08 2014 No.5695000 >>5693902 >I know there are retards there who really belive that Ben Gasmaggedon is a nazi nobody thinks that

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 18:46:36 2014 No.5695006 File: 152 KB, 463x509, 1409687861512.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5693523 >Wow two can play at this game. holy shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:00:56 2014 No.5695292 >>5692368 >>5692376 truth

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:04:29 2014 No.5695313 >>5693670 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:06:18 2014 No.5695325 >>5692549 >passive, unthinking atheism But atheism is a conscious choice. That's why it's a religion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:08:20 2014 No.5695333 >>5693799 >who think the world is going to end because of Violent Video games No, anon, you're thinking of liberals

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:13:37 2014 No.5695346

Atheists, when not edgy manchildren or teenagers trying to shock and rebel, are usually the kind of extreme douchebags that believe in scientism. Some popular catchphrases of atheists when cornered include "B-B-BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!" "B-B-BUT MUH SCIENTIFIC METHOD!" *tips fedora*

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:13:55 2014 No.5695347 I was always a political Christian and I still find arguments for or against god's existence to be ultimately insignificant. The idea/faith is enough to produce a different reality, and I don't care much about material truthseeking.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:17:56 2014 No.5695358 File: 43 KB, 627x500, magic2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5695347 >I don't care if God isn't real, I can just THINK him into existence!

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Fri Nov 7 20:20:02 2014 No.5695363 >>5695347 You can have a life after death by creating it in your mind?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:21:24 2014 No.5695369 >>5695358 No, but I can justify putting your head on a pole

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:28:58 2014 No.5695395 >>5695363 >>5695358 >being this dumb

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:32:22 2014 No.5695410

>>5692271

I understand what you're saying and I have thought the same thing.

I think it might partly be due to that, but also I believe it has to do with the average age of the internet user not being 16 anymore. Also, I think in a way it has to do with Pope Francis being a great person.

The thing is, whats wrong with believe in God? Jesus taught us to do good and to love one another. How could anybody be against those teachings?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:41:40 2014 No.5695441 >>5695410 By recognizing the universal truth that human nature is motivated by self-interest resulting in competition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 20:43:58 2014 No.5695447 >>5695410 By recognizing the universal truth that compassion can come from within

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 21:23:58 2014 No.5695559

THERE IS TRUTH HIGHER THAN CHRISTIANITY. GOD EXISTS, BUT ITS TRUE CHARACTERISTICS HAVE BEEN MISREPRESENTED BY NEARLY EVERY RELIGION. MANY PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE REALITY OF GOD, AND IT IS FAR GREATER THAN ONE COULD UNDERSTAND WHILE ON EARTH.

WHY IS HUMANITY'S UNDERSTANDING OF GOD LIKE THIS? BECAUSE 'FAITH' AND 'NATURALISM' ARE CURRENTLY SEPARATE IN MOST HUMANS. FAITH BEING THE ACCEPTANCE OF AN ALL-POWERFUL BEING, AND NATURALISM BEING THE BELIEF THAT WHAT EXISTS IS ARBITRARY ‒ NATURALLY OCCURRING.

FAITH, OR RELIGION, THEISM, ETC. IS THE 'OLD' THOUGHT OF HUMANITY, ITS BEGINNING CANNOT BE FOUND, AND IS COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD AS THE NATURAL STATE OF HUMAN BELIEF. THIS FAITH EXISTED BEFORE MODERN SCIENCE, MAKING IT VERY EASY TO DISREGARD TODAY.

NATURALISM, OR SCIENTISM, MATERIALISM, ATHEISM ETC. IS THE 'NEW' THOUGHT OF HUMANITY, AND ITS COMMONNESS IS ONLY PRESENT IN THE LAST FEW GENERATIONS. IN MANY COUNTRIES TODAY, THE MAJORITY OF TEENAGERS ACCEPT SCIENCE AS BEING AN AUTHORITY OF KNOWLEDGE. VISIT AUSTRALIA, AND ASK TEENAGERS ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS ‒ YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY "DON'T KNOW" OR ARE "NOT SURE". ON THE OUTSIDE THESE TEENAGERS APPEAR VERY INTELLIGENT, AND THEY ARE, BUT ON THE INSIDE, THEY ARE SCARED BECAUSE THEIR THOUGHT HAS BEEN LIMITED BY SCEPTICISM AND DOUBT. EVERYONE AROUND THEM ENFORCES THE IDEA THAT THEY CANNOT KNOW THE ANSWERS TO CERTAIN QUESTIONS CONCERNING EXISTENCE ‒ A TERRIBLE INJUSTICE IT IS, TO DOUBT THE CAPABILITIES OF A YOUNG PERSON.

BUT, THERE IS HOPE. FAITH AND NATURALISM WILL BE ASSIMILATED, FOR THE BELIEF IN GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE THE REJECTION OF SCIENCE. NATURALISM SEEMS LIKE DISEASE TO THE THEIST, BUT IT IS NECESSARY, AS IT WILL CREATE A NEW THOUGHT. THIS THOUGHT HAS NO NAME. THIS THOUGHT IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS GOD, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN GOD. THE ONLY PURPOSE WE HAVE ON EARTH IS TO SERVE GOD, FOR WE ARE GOD. MAN EXISTS TO GENERATE WHAT GOD DESIRES ‒ LOVE. DISREGARD COMMANDMENTS, RITUALS, AND RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS, THE ONLY RULE IS TO LOVE. GOD IS LOVE, AND TO LOVE IS TO GIVE GOD POWER.

SO EMBRACE THE NEW ERA, IN WHICH WE WILL DISMANTLE A SOCIETY THAT IS POWERED BY MAN'S FLAWS. EMBRACE THE NEW STATE, WHERE WE WILL SHARE, AND NOTHING WILL BE OWNED. OUR GOAL WILL NOT BE PLEASURE, BUT LOVE.

willmcpherson2@gmail.com

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 21:30:48 2014 No.5695583 >>5695559 lol if you read a word of this

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 21:33:06 2014 No.5695591 >>5695583 >read the word "THERE" s-s-should i kill myself

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:02:15 2014 No.5695652 >>5692320 Am I the only one who likes « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » ? Every post they make seems to make more sense than the prevailing 4chan pseudo-ironic bigotry that runs rampant even on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:03:53 2014 No.5695659 >>5692341 Because deism died in the 18th century.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:05:47 2014 No.5695665 >>5692304 Lol, yeah Christianity totally has more depth than a study of history You fucking queer Christians have the worst reasoning skills

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:06:41 2014 No.5695670 >>5692375 While I would love for space-travel to become prevalent, I doubt it will ever happen. We lack the political will and the necessary technologies to make it work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:10:31 2014 No.5695679 >>5695652 Nice try samefag. GO fuck yourself. Fucking Buttershit won't become the Sinaloa of /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:11:41 2014 No.5695682 >>5692413 Humanity is a spook

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:11:43 2014 No.5695683

>>5692319
The original series of fedora memes (where euphoria originated) also included Christians (yes, literally on their profile) retards saying "women who are sluts don't bother" and "I believe people who get abortions should be killed"

Christians on /lit/ are all propagandists. They exist solely to create an image of the world for themselves that erodes cognitive dissonance. By being vocal and atheist, you interrupt their delusional projections onto the world. So, they must be inflammatory and try to piss atheists off, just so they can spam their fedora memes and restore their false images of the world

It's like white racists who believe white men are inherently superior to other racists. When they see an interracial couple, they rabidly fight the delusion by adding in more delusions about Jews in the media. It's layers of delusions on delusions

Christians don't get why I call them delusional. They're not delusional because they believe abstract objects exist. They're delusional because they can only accept my existence by blocking out my reality and placing an image of a fedora meme there.

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:13:46 2014 No.5695689

>>5692320
The "agnostic master race" types are the worst.

If you think the knowledge is impossible, sure. Now account for an entire epistemology. Make it complete. But going into threads and screaming "YOU CANT KNOW NUFFIN! YOU CANT KNOW NUFFIN! CHRISTIANS AND ATHEISTS ARE BOTH STUPID, IM SUPERIOR, NAH NAH NAH NAH NAAAH NAH" is fucking awful and is beyond stupid

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:14:51 2014 No.5695693 >>5695689 >2014 >not being ignostic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:16:30 2014 No.5695695 >>5692341 Sigh. Why does every single fucking faggot like you come into these threads and post a one-line one-upper as though your shitty platitude is the solution to the whole debate? You haven't "figured it out", fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:17:33 2014 No.5695697 >>5695559 you know, others know, and more will soon know. patience and fortitude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:17:45 2014 No.5695698 >>5695693 Another cooked-up term for the intellectually-dishonest. Just admit your Atheism and be fucking done with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:17:57 2014 No.5695699 >>5695559 >God exists Le fucking surety man stare dot jay peg

Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:19:26 2014 No.5695701

A big problem with these threads is that every new person comes in talking like they have the solutions, but nobody actually discusses ontologies.

It's like seeing two people argue after having read different books but thinking they were the same. These discussions are pointless without intelligent philosophical debate

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:20:34 2014 No.5695703 >>5695693 Just type it out, I'm not following your links

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:29:44 2014 No.5695725 >>5695703 It's a well known prank on 4chan to post what look like links to wikipedia that have been fucked with so they actually redirect you to illegal content. Good call on not following it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:30:24 2014 No.5695727 >>5695725 made em check

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:31:26 2014 No.5695733 >>5695725 It's a well known prank on 4chan where I'm browsing on my phone and am too lazy to copy paste, you cunt

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:39:13 2014 No.5695744 >>5695697 Good to know that you know. I hope that some of my friends start believing so we can go out in public and try to convert people. I think that would be fun, and God would like it

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:42:41 2014 No.5695753 >>5695744 >Trying to turn people into exact ideological clones of you Fucking zombies

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 22:46:13 2014 No.5695767 >>5695753 You completely twisted what I said. Showing people evidence for God is not the equivalent of turning them into "exact ideological clones" of me. All I would do is talk to them about their beliefs, and show them the path to God

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 23:02:19 2014 No.5695823 >>5695559 ok m8

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 23:43:57 2014 No.5695993 >>5695689 But they dont actually say that, they merely state there is not enough evidence currently to make a conclusion for either side. They dont however argue that the question can never be answered.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 7 23:52:27 2014 No.5696020 I didn't become Christian, I was born Christian

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:02:27 2014 No.5696055 >>5695993 That's still a fucking boring and stupid stance. Again, cite me an entire epistemology if you think that, don't just act smug

Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:11:07 2014 No.5696095

>>5696055
How interesting a theory is has no bearing on its relation to the truth and isnt it more smug to take such a definitive position on the issue instead of acknowledging ones own ignorance in the area?

Likewise this form of thinking is hardly stupid especially in comparison to the caricature in >>5695689

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:41:45 2014 No.5696184 >>5696095 "We can't know." Now justify it. Justify why we can't know. Don't just say that and be done

Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:47:50 2014 No.5696204

>>5696184
You are repeating that caricature again, agnosticism in no way implies or argues that the answer cannot be found.

We cant conclusively prove or disprove the existence of a god with our current information and evidence but that in no way means that such evidence can never be found or that we shouldnt seek it.

>Don't just say that and be done

Thats what the other groups do

Thiest: God exists end of story

Atheist: God doesnt exist end of story

Agnostic God may or may not exist therefore we should explore the issue further.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:53:09 2014 No.5696223 It's just a new trend to distance oneself from atheist movements in America

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:56:15 2014 No.5696233 >>5696204 Holy fuck, you're doing it again. I don't care what agnostics believe, talk about the fucking framework, talk about why we can't assert God exists or not or why we might be able to someday. Justify all of this, don't just shit words at me

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 00:57:17 2014 No.5696234 >>5696204 >Thiest: God exists end of story >Atheist: God doesnt exist end of story Also this is patently not the case

Anonymous Sat Nov 8 01:13:44 2014 No.5696286

>>5696233
>talk about why we can't assert God exists

Lack of definitive empirical evidence. Whilst this is more important to the question of personal god most instances of recorded intervention that could only be explained as divine occurred before we could adequatley record and examine them,

>why we might be able to someday

For the same reason we now know that the Bible isnt a completely accurate record of history or that Troy exists. Our methods on analyzing and recording claims are getting much better.

For instance we can actually asses people like beyond mere personal accounts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Bahadur_Bomjon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 01:19:10 2014 No.5696304 >>5696286 >empirical evidence >for god lmao >lack of empirical evidence >means non-existence rofl

Anonymous Sat Nov 8 01:27:42 2014 No.5696329

>>5696304
When our understanding relies so heavily on observation surely you can understand the difficulty in reaching a definitive conclusion with our current evidence.

Think for a moment just how crucial miracles have been in the majority of the worlds religions especially the influential abrahamic faiths.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Sat Nov 8 01:49:47 2014 No.5696382
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>>5695652
>>5695689
>A surprise
...
>Hugs

>>5695670
Another reasoning that's been driving me to tears recently.

>>5695679
Hello "Sinaloa" (?)

>>5695993
There *is* evidence to show that all religions are false, but the mere idea of a god of any sort on shaky ground. We are left with Epicurus' conclusions. Why worship it even if it is there? If that's agnosticism than I have been one all this time. But too many of them are Soren types looking to clamp onto some church for succor.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Sat Nov 8 01:51:06 2014 No.5696386 >>5696382 >but the mere idea... >PUTS the mere idea... Bah

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 8 13:52:02 2014 No.5697858 >This thread. Yes, keep fighting, goyim of mine.

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