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Now I'm not about to say Eragon was a good book. It was about generic as they come. But Christopher Paolini wasn't the horrendous writer people make out. He's an competent adult writer. Nothing special by any standard but he can type out a comprehendible story with out any major grammatical errors, spelling mistakes or plot holes. Something that is sadly is commendable for people of his age group.

Yes his parents published him. But he did put the effort in to promote the book and get fans interested. Clearly somebody must've of seen something worthwhile in his books to give him a fringing *movie deal* even if it was just marketability.

I don't know, I think a lot of his hatdom just comes from jealousy really. I'm sure most of us have a poorly written genetic fantasy novel we would've speared a baby to get published at his age.

>> No.5599911

>>5599802

Maybe Paolini could spell but you sure as hell can't

>> No.5599923

The point isn't that he wrote the novel -- there are a lot of generic-tier writers that publish every year and /lit/ doesn't lambaste them -- the point is that his book is being judged not for it's own merit but on the fact it was written by a young adult. People will praise the book solely for the author's demographic and not for the author's talent.

Read it. The characters are absolutely flat, the plot twists are less than meaningful, Eragon never has to confront his flaws/shortcomings because whenever he's challenged he always "develops" a new power to overcome such flaws.

>> No.5599928

>>5599923

>you're human, you can never be as fast and strong as an elf!

>he becomes an elf

Dropped right then and there

>> No.5600148

>>5599911
My point exactly.

>> No.5600161

>>5599923
>but on the fact it was written by a young adult
is it rare? a lot of fantasy crap is written by young adults

>> No.5600168

>>5599802
Eragon was LOTR's setting and Star Wars' plot mashed together.

There was almost nothing original about it (apart from the rather decent magic system), the fight scenes were the only amusing thing about it, and the young age of the author shows in the shitty prose.

>> No.5600180

>>5600161
Especially LOTR rip-offs are notably written by young authors.

But now that GoT seems to be the new hit in genre-fantasy we may be flooded with shitty political dramas in the future.

God save us

>> No.5600216

>>5600168
>Decent magic system

Yeah? I might just steal it.

>>5600180
Ah shit. I was actually working on my own low fantasy series about warring houses during a bitter winter as well.

At least HBO can't take away my twincest.

>> No.5600221

>>5600180
>Dumbed down political drama
>/pol/ level understanding of politics
>Good vs Bad
I'd like to see them for the lulz but reading a full novel just to feel superior is a pathetic waste of time.

>> No.5600224

>>5600216
The magic system was based on physical laws concerning energy, and it was the only original thing the author ever did

>> No.5600238

>>5600221
I read a few LOTR rip-offs as a teenager, but seeing how ridiculously bad they were compared to the actual LOTR i quickly dropped them.

Now imagine a teenager author like Paolini copying GoT (which basically lives off its characters and rather complex plot) without real understanding of politics or without even basic knowledge of how to write intersting characters or plot lines.

It may be pretty amusing to read a few pages just to see how bad it is, but i don't consider it being worth my time too.

>> No.5600243

>>5600168
Eragon's magic system was flawless, I've absolutely stolen it for D&D campaigns.

>> No.5600265

It bothers me a lot that people would put Martin, Paolini even on the same level of Tolkein and I am not even that much of a LOTRs fan.

>> No.5600276

>>5600224
So what like full metal alchemist alchemist?

You can transmute matter but you can't create wholesale from Ex nihilo ?

>> No.5600293

>>5600265
Who puts Martin on Tolkien level?

Maybe the vocal, deluded part of his fanbase, but seriously, th people with at least a bt of brain see ASOIAF as a rather entertaining interpretation of Tolkien's fantasy scheme (GRRM even admitted this, he was mostly inspired by LOTR).

LOTR was the trendsetter, Martin just managed to write one of the few interpreteations of Tolkien's legacy that doesn't outright suck, even if he has his faults (i.e. mediocre prose).

That's at least how i see it.

LOTR remains untouched in the genre

>> No.5600309

>>5600276
pretty much.

in Eragon the magician uses the energy of his body to cast spells, he can also use the energy of his living surroundings.

This means that complicated spells may kill the user, so every magician has energy stored in jewels or casts magic by killing the animals around him instead.

Every spell uses as much energy as the caster would use by doing the effect with his hands.

This means that killing a person using a spell consumes as much energy as it would take you to kill him with your hands.

Hope that clears it up

>> No.5600325

>>5600309
So, the same as Carnivale?

>> No.5600398

>>5600325

Please don't compare the Inheritance Cycle with one of my favourite HBO shows please.

>> No.5600474

>>5599802
There are some things that remind me Pokemon. You know, the Pokemon description in the Pokedex.

>dragons can be the size of mountains, Eragon
>Alakazam's brain can outperform a super-computer, its intelligence quotient is said to be 5,000

>> No.5600633

>>5600168
>>5600216
>>5600224
>>5600243
>>5600309

/tg/ here, Paolini directly stole it from Le Guin's Earthsea saga. Like, lifted almost word to word from it.

>> No.5600682

The first line of dialogue in the entire book is as follows:

>"Spread out; hide behind trees and bushes. Stop whoever is coming...or die!"

Fuck.

>> No.5600724

>>5599802
It's not just generic.

At times it's borderline plagiarism, often times painful to read because of how childish its characters are (especially when they're trying to be super serious), melodramatic, meandering, repetitive, pretentious, and long winded.

It's clearly written by someone who was sheltered their whole life and has no clue how human interaction works.

>> No.5601210

>>5600724

In my country we have fantasy so bad it makes Eragon look like the fucking Book of The New Sun, if you can believe that.

What happened is after LOTR everyone wanted to exploit the new fad so they started searching for adolescents and made them churn out shitty doorstoppers one after another.

>> No.5601221

>>5601210
didn't eragons parents own a printing company or some shit and print the book for him

>> No.5601225

>>5601210
Yes, literally.

I'll just have to view through the fantasy section in my local bookstore to see the Tolkien plagiarism.

>The Elves
>The Goblins
>The Dragons
>The Ogres
>The Wizards

Basically LOTR plot from the viewpoint of another fantasy race.

>> No.5601231

>>5601225
i saw someone reading THE ORCS once and it made me pretty angry

>> No.5601418

It's not that it's so much worse than other shitty fantasy, it's just that some of his choices are so baffling that it becomes hilarious. Be it talking about the hairiness of elf dicks, or seriously using the phrase "with the gracefulness of a weasel" to describe something graceful, sometimes the shit he writes is so fucking inane that it becomes funny.

>> No.5601426

>>5601418
I just had to laugh at the part where Eragon's cousin single-handedly killed 200 people.

Damn, that was some edgy shit.

>> No.5601441

>>5601426
Or Eragon ending the series by starting the Olympics.

>> No.5601446

>>5601418
>talking about the hairiness of elf dicks
I need to see this passage.

>> No.5601456

>>5601441
wait what

>> No.5601464

>>5601456
He starts a sporting event thing that happens every four years with all the races so that the not orcs can work out their aggression.

>> No.5601471

>>5601446
He sees his elf teacher naked and talks about how he has no hair on his dick.

>> No.5601488

>>5601464
Oh shit, now I can remember that.
Also the whole "I (the bad guy totally not resembling Darth Vader) am your father, Oh wait, the good guy was your father all along"

The only thing i didn't hate was the political stuff with the dwarves.

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>>5601464
oh god

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5601491

>>5601471
I WANT TO SEE THE FUCKING PASSAGE

Please

>> No.5601499

>>5601491
I don't have the book with me but I'll see what I can do.

>> No.5601539

>>5599802
This is the only series I've ever read that gets twice as bad with each sequel.

>> No.5601556

>>5601491
Anon, that's not even the worst part.

The books also include a passage depicting the sexual tension between Eragon and the main female protagonist by making Eragon blush thinking about looking under her skirt.

>> No.5601557

>>5601491
Here we go

>Going to the stream by the house, they quickly disrobed. Eragon surreptitiously watched the elf, curious as to what he looked like without his clothes. Oromis was very thin, yet his muscles were perfectly defined, etched under his skin with the hard lines of a woodcut. No hair grew upon his chest or legs, not even around his groin. His body seemed almost freakish to Eragon, compared to the men he was used to seeing in Carvahall- although it had a certain refined elegance to it, like that of a wildcat.

>> No.5601570

>>5601556
One of my favourite things is how Eragon never scores. At all. In his whole life.

>> No.5601579

>>5601570

Strange that a pampered and spoiled autist's self insert would not have sex, uh?

>> No.5601582

>>5601570
Now that i think about it, that makes it even funnier.

Isn't he stuck all alone with a couple of dragons on a lonely island by the end of the story?

I would fucking kill myself.

>> No.5601593

>>5601570
>>5601582
I would honestly give the kid some credit for this if I didn't think it happened by accident. Like he had no idea how to resolve the romance subplot and just kind of wrote Eragon into being forever alone.

>> No.5601604

>>5601582
He had his dragon waifu.

>> No.5601620

>>5601604
And he is psychically forced to feel her getting fucked by other dragons.

>> No.5601625

>>5601620
Eragon is not only a virgin forever, but also a cuckold?
Damn

>> No.5601633

>>5601625
Now that I think of it, you could probably trace the development of Christopher's fetishes through these books.

>> No.5601646

>>5601633
That's hot

>> No.5601685

>>5601633
I can think of:

Interracial porn
shaved dicks
beastality
voyeurism
cuckolding

Damn, he's fucked up.

>> No.5601699

>>5601685
Don't forget femdom/humiliation.

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5601773

>>5601557
all those adverbs

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5601775

>>5601557
>talks about how his teacher has no hair
>directly compares him to a creature covered in hair

>> No.5601839

Eragon is actually a work of genius and comedy gold when one reads it as a parody of cliched Tolkeniesque fantasy.

>> No.5601851

>>5601775
Not even the best animal comparison.

>The elf was glorious in action, a perfect blend of control and untamed violence. He pounced like a cat, struck like a heron, and bobbed and wove with the grace of a weasel.

>> No.5601859

>>5601839
there was actually a book like this i read when i was like 13, it wasa just insanely derivative and then at the end the author reveals that the two main characters were Cs Lewis and Tolkien(prior to writing their stuff obviously), it was kind of funny

>> No.5602204

>>5599802
- Wolverine Dwarves
- Blue furry Cat-People-Elves
- Dr Who references

There, I've given three reasons why his series is laughable, and I'm sure others can give many more.

>> No.5602372

>>5602204
>Dr Who references

never read Eragon, care to explain?

>> No.5602449

>>5601441
Don't forget when he discovers radioactivity.

>> No.5602490

>>5599802
I read the first Eragon and remember liking it. But I was a dumb 13 year old shit. Then my friends older brother gave me the first Wheel of Time book and I never looked back.

>> No.5602521

>>5600633
yeah how do people not realize this

>> No.5602526

>>5601775
l m f a o

>> No.5602530

>>5602490
>i graduated from shitty genre fiction to normal genre fiction
wow congrats u've done it

>> No.5602573

>>5602490
>But I was a dumb 13 year old shit

>> No.5602579

>>5602530
>>5602573
meant to link to this butthole

>> No.5602581

>>5602530
Normal meaning slightly less shitty, rgith?

>> No.5602659

>>5601570
>Here lies Eragon
>Never scored

>> No.5602981

>>5601859

PLEASE find the title of this book.

>> No.5603224

>>5601570
I think this is okay. I'm tired of reading about main characters losing their virginity.

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5603767

>>5600180
>But now that GoT seems to be the new hit in genre-fantasy we may be flooded with shitty political dramas in the future.

I'm going to write one based on the life of Napoleon Bonaparte, only IN SPAAAACE. Ce sera le plus grand roman de tout le temps vous les prolos pitoyables!

>> No.5603771

>>5599802
I HATE THAT FUCKING NIGGER

>> No.5603811

it wasn't his writing. It was the way in which he behaved once he had the least amount of prestige.

People have had less fame than he has from writing fan fiction, and they've been less assholish with their five minutes of fame than he has. And to top it all off he fucked up that last book by writing it more competently than he wrote the first three books, effectively demonstrating his maturity as a writer to people who had every reason not to respect his writing.

If he had written the entire series from the place in which he wrote the final book he would have been golden.

>> No.5605001

>>5599802
I read the whole "blue balls" series not a long ago, and i can honestly say any hate he gets is well deserved.

While the first book is ok, sure it takes a lot form other books/movies, but at lest it takes elements that work and while being generic as hell it has a potential to start off something better.
Sadly every next book gets worse and worse eventually ending on such a train wreck i found new enjoyment in reading it only say i can know how bad a fantasy book can be. I found new appreciation for other better books i read.

After the first book and learning how young he was i thought he will develop into a really good writer, but the praise and circle jerking must have rooted his brain, since he seemed to only get worse as he aged. The plot holes started multiplying, character behavior became more artificial and contradictory, and amount of filler and unresolved plot elements just kept growing. Only to finish a giant ass pull deus ex machine to resolve the plot at the last moment. Even the writing styel got more generic and boring.

And there is something really funny about the savior of the world becoming a hobo living alone with cats ( dragons) and getting cock blocked by the chick he was trying to hook up with. I just couldnt stop laughing in the final chapters.

>> No.5605058

I saw the movies in theaters. I took my son to see it. God forgive me of my sins.

>> No.5605084

>>5603767
>based on the life of Napoleon Bonaparte, only IN SPAAAACE
Certainly sounds better than Game 'found her squatting' of Shits.

>> No.5605101

>>5605084

>Your basis for criticizing a series which spans several full lenght books is one admittedtly badly written line

>hurrr shit pun to hammer the point home

Opinion discarded

>> No.5605109

>>5605058
Your sin of overpopulating this planet can never be forgiven

>> No.5606948

I wrote like this when I was younger

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