/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5426650]

>We're not just atheists, we're atheists +

[Anonymous No.5426666]

>But that wasn't true communism!

[Anonymous No.5426667]

>i'm an atheist but still arbitrarily adhere to christian morality

[Anonymous No.5426670]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/how-i-unwittingly-infiltrated-the-boys-club-why-its-time-for-a-new-wave-of-atheism/

>It’s time for a new wave of atheism, just like there were different waves of feminism. I’d argue that it’s already happened before. The “first wave” of atheism were the traditional philosophers, freethinkers, and academics. Then came the second wave of “New Atheists” like Dawkins and Hitchens, whose trademark was their unabashed public criticism of religion. Now it’s time for a third wave – a wave that isn’t just a bunch of “middle-class, white, cisgender, heterosexual, able-bodied men” patting themselves on the back for debunking homeopathy for the 983258th time or thinking up yet another great zinger to use against Young Earth Creationists. It’s time for a wave that cares about how religion affects everyone and that applies skepticism to everything, including social issues like sexism, racism, politics, poverty, and crime. We can criticize religion and irrational thinking just as unabashedly and just as publicly, but we need to stop exempting ourselves from that criticism.

[Anonymous No.5426679]

>>5426670
These people really are insane. The Atheism + had a rule that said you weren't allowed to argue with someone that says you're privileged regardless of the context. I got banned after someone called me a sexist for commenting in a feminism and I owned his ass by using a time stamped pic to prove I was a female.

these shills should die

[Anonymous No.5426692]

>>5426679
>I owned his ass by using a time stamped pic to prove I was a female.
Your gender is irrelevant, even in arguments about sexism. Maybe you really were being sexist.

[Anonymous No.5426693]

>buddhism isn't really a religion

[Anonymous No.5426697]

>>5426692
I agree with you, but they don't which is why it is an issue. They're radial social justice warriors that believe everyone can't separate their own privilege from their view of the world, which means that males that argue against feminism are automatically suspect in their eyes. It is insane, but that's the sort of thing they go in for.

[Anonymous No.5426717]

>>5426670
>able-bodied men
I thought having a neck beard was a disability.

[Anonymous No.5426720]

>>5426693
Not how westerners view religion anyway

Also
>Certain portions of the bible are literal or metaphorical depending on how it suits my liking or interests

[Anonymous No.5426724]

Social Justice Warriors are slowly driving me away from liberalism and toward the right

[Anonymous No.5426726]

>>5426720
>Certain portions of the bible are literal or metaphorical depending on how it suits my liking or interests
I bet you took Finnegan's Wake literally too.

[Anonymous No.5426728]

>>5426724
Liberalism is generally considered right wing nowadays.

[Anonymous No.5426734]

>>5426728
Christianity is still delusional and silly, sorry

[Anonymous No.5426736]

>>5426734
So is Stoicism.

[Anonymous No.5426740]

>>5426724

if you're a liberal then you are on the right, bud.

[Anonymous No.5426743]

>>5426734
Nice post asshole.

[Anonymous No.5426750]

>>5426650
The next stage in evolution!

>>5426666
Would you say that Britney did true rock when she said she was doing so?

(Nice quads)

>>5426670
So she wants what has already been done?
Americans should read more continental phil

>>5426679
>and I owned his ass by using a time stamped pic to prove I was a female.
The correct answer is walking away, not validating their silly ideas.

>>5426697
You can't, but that's not the point.
Your opinion is affected by how you grew but both onepercenters and the frankfurt school were results of an economic higher class. If you reject people because you're more of a victim then you won't grow in any way or form.

>>5426717
I have athlete's foot and take offense on that.

>>5426724
If your thinking is based on the people around you your just as bad as they are. Ideas are ideas, fanboys are fanboys.

[Anonymous No.5426752]

>>5426724
>liberalism
>not right wing

[Anonymous No.5426754]

>>5426667
Well, someone has to, and it doesn't look like it's going to be the Christians.

[Anonymous No.5426758]

>>5426750
>You can't, but that's not the point.

Maybe you can't, but I don't buy the idea that we are too irrational to evaluate evidence regardless of our experiences. Perhaps our gender alters our consciousness so fundamentally that this is impossible, but I do not see a reason assume that is the case or to act as if it is. In most cases it seems obviously untrue.

[Anonymous No.5426760]

>>5426724
Go back to reddit, meme shitter.

[Anonymous No.5426763]

>>5426740
Only in Europe.

[Anonymous No.5426770]

>>5426760
fuck off SJW

[Anonymous No.5426778]

>>5426667
Because Christians didn't invent morality. Not killing people is pretty popular among most cultures and religions, believe it or not.

[Anonymous No.5426779]

>>5426763
And Australia and New Zealand.

[Anonymous No.5426782]

>>5426778
>Because Christians didn't invent morality
Morality isn't tangible, it is a subjective term.

[Anonymous No.5426784]

>>5426763
Only not in America.

[Anonymous No.5426791]

>>5426770
Did something trigger your virgin angst? It's okay, buddy, you can always kill yourelf.

[Anonymous No.5426793]

>>5426782
Morality is subjective

[Anonymous No.5426796]

>>5426782
Yes but it is also in the nature of humans to be opposed to murder, rape, etc. unless they have been indoctrinated a la Muslim extremists.

[Anonymous No.5426799]

>>5426791
That's nice, but I'm a woman who has had sex like a million times and can get laid at will

[Anonymous No.5426806]

>>5426799
I'd be more inclined to believe that you're a child who just realised there are boards other than /b/.

[Anonymous No.5426807]

>>5426799
Lucky! As a guy, I can only get laid once per encounter.

[Anonymous No.5426808]

>>5426796
What about hendonism? Lust gluttony?

[Anonymous No.5426812]

>>5426806
Why because I dislike social justice warriors? You are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5426813]

>>5426799
You forgot to say that you only go for alpha Chads. Why are you virgin losers so defective that you can't even properly pretend to be a woman?

[Anonymous No.5426816]

>>5426808
Are you saying those aren't rampant among society? Teenagers getting pregnant? Obesity? This is common fare in Western countries, even where most of these people are Christian. Nobody cares about breaking those rules, especially not atheists.

[Anonymous No.5426821]

>>5426812
Moreso because you posted that "Black Science Man" image.

[Anonymous No.5426823]

>>5426812
>le internetz is le serious bees knees

You are the same kind of retard who cries about animal abuse. You simply don't understand this forum and its culture. You are a sad autist who believes in internet tribalism. You don't get the lulz. Your kind is what's ruining our community.

[Anonymous No.5426824]

>>5426796
>Yes but it is also in the nature of humans to be opposed to murder, rape, etc.
No, we act only for our own gain. If we can get away with murder and it will benefit us, we will do it.

[Anonymous No.5426827]

>>5426793
It is a spook.

[Anonymous No.5426831]

>>5426824
Speak for yourself, psychopath.

[Anonymous No.5426836]

>>5426821
Ah, so I triggered you

[Anonymous No.5426839]

>>5426831
http://www.iep.utm.edu/psychego/

[Anonymous No.5426840]

>>5426836
No, it just seems like the kind of thing a 13-year-old who browses 9gag would find funny.

[Anonymous No.5426845]

>>5426840
>Only children don't agree with my sense of humor

I think you should go back to Reddit

[Anonymous No.5426847]

>>5426839
None of that implies we would murder people if we could. Just because I give a hobo some change in order to feel good about myself, so what? I'm not necessarily keen to help others, but I don't want to harm anyone either.

[Anonymous No.5426849]

>>5426831
You think the whole world is your in-group. They aren't. You think acting entirely out of self-interest involves being a dick and one-upping everyone, yet what is best for you tends to be best for most everyone. All those things serve a purpose that is in line with human nature and man's desire to further his own group.

[Anonymous No.5426851]

>>5426836
Why is it your goal to trigger someone? How have you been triggered in the past?

[Anonymous No.5426855]

>>5426847
>None of that implies we would murder people if we could
Yes we would. If it would improve your life at no expense you would do it.

[Anonymous No.5426859]

>>5426849
Okay, but we have digressed. If what you describe is inherent to most humans, it is inherent to Christians too, and must be the source of their dogmatic morals.

[Anonymous No.5426860]

[Anonymous No.5426862]

>>5426855
But it would always be at the expense of a human life.

[Anonymous No.5426865]

>>5426862
You don't really value human life.

[Anonymous No.5426868]

>>5426778
>Not killing people is pretty popular among most cultures and religions, believe it or not.
Christianity isn't just about "not killing", it's about guilt and the concept of "evil" and caring for the weak. Look into first civilizations, they cared more about power than anything. Nonsensical killing was bad for their strength as a civilization, they also had no concept of universal compassion.

[Anonymous No.5426870]

>>5426851
Not that asshat, but 'triggering' would appear to be the sign of a damaged amygdala not found in the majority of the population, but one of the core features of narcissists, bleeding-heart liberals and the most fundamentalist of christians. Someone in your conversation is thus afflicted.

[Anonymous No.5426872]

>>5426865
That's a bit of conjecture, now isn't it?

[Anonymous No.5426873]

God is the self, stupid.

[Anonymous No.5426877]

>>5426873
God doesn't real. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.5426879]

>>5426877
The self exists, that's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.5426888]

>>5426868
It's more about societal norms than religion though. I don't know where you live, but for me, most people don't take religion seriously or mention it in day-to-day life. Yes it has affected what we perceive as "right" but I think it has a lot to do with human nature too, personally.

[Anonymous No.5426893]

>>5426872
Not really.
>>5426868
This. Too many modern people take Christian morality for granted. We have to consider Christianity relative to its time of origin.

[Anonymous No.5426895]

>>5426879
The self doesn't exist, our brain's perception of our self does.

[Anonymous No.5426898]

>>5426895
The brain is the self you sack of crap.

[Anonymous No.5426902]

>>5426898
>materialism
>2014

[Anonymous No.5426903]

>>5426879
Self-perception is a function of the brain and does not have any metaphysical qualities. Go back to >>>/x/, dualist.

[Anonymous No.5426906]

>>5426903
Go back to /sci/ naive materialist

[Anonymous No.5426907]

>>5426877
>He can't into Hegelian gnosticism

[Anonymous No.5426908]

>>5426902
Do you even science? This was a rhetorical. Of course you don't. Or else you wouldn't believe in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.5426909]

>>5426906
>naive
Is this the new 'ignorant', tumblr?

[Anonymous No.5426912]

>>5426909
That term is used bu philosophers to describe people with views that are obviously incorrect even though they are not aware of it do their own ignorance

[Anonymous No.5426913]

>>5426906
No, thanks. /sci/ is a toxic circlejerk of sci fi manchildren without any education higher than high school calculus. /sci/ is an insult to any person with university level STEM education.

[Anonymous No.5426914]

>free will exists

[Anonymous No.5426919]

>>5426752
>americans
>not right wing
all this discussions seem so pointless all the time. you have no left wing in your country. if you lived in a whole i would understand it, but you have the world to compare and see.

[Anonymous No.5426921]

>>5426906
It's like you don't even anatta, anon. Hardly materialist.

[Anonymous No.5426925]

>>5426912
>That term is used by philosophers to describe people with views that are obviously incorrect even though they can't prove those views to be false

[Anonymous No.5426926]

>>5426758
Gender is a lingustic construct
Stop talking about it and stop enforcing the social roles gendered language enforces and it'll go away
If you really care you'll do that
If you don't actually particularly care about gender you'll keep making a fuss about it on the Internet
Read some continental philosophy, like the other guy said Americans should. I'm trying to force Continental ideas on my American friends because it's pathetic how small-minded their worldviews tend to be, and we go to a university that claims to enlighten and euphoricize everyone there.

I don't think I'm any smarter than they are, but I think it's worth knowing what everyone involved in a struggle thinks about the issue. When you know what everyone thinks, you can examine the issue and see what is common to all solutions, what is factually a part of the problem (this part is vital), and find what the best way to act on the issue is. You may not find the right thing, so you'll have to re-test your hypothesis. This is a constant process. Criticism of ideology is perpetual.

Read Hegel and Zizek.

[Anonymous No.5426928]

>>5426908
If you think science is all there is to life then all I cany say is that I have pity for you. Philosophy is based on logic as much as science is.

>>5426898
The brain does not always see things the way they really are. Body dysmorphia, narcissism, paranoia, these are all conditions that are caused by the brain's perception of itself.

>>5426893
If psychological egoism states that we only act out of kindness for our own benefit, can't we say the same for Christians? They help the weak because they subconsciously believe that this will secure them a place in the afterlife, not for any altruistic reason.

[Anonymous No.5426931]

>>5426926
>Gender is a lingustic construct
No, it is a biological construct.

[Anonymous No.5426934]

>>5426931
Sex is a biological construct.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Read a book.

[Anonymous No.5426935]

>>5426931
It's a model of behaviors based on sexual characteristics.

[Anonymous No.5426936]

>>5426934
>Gender and sex are different.
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/other circlejerks/

[Anonymous No.5426937]

>>5426921
Fuck off to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5426938]

>>5426754
You're fighting the good fight, mang.

>>5426758
Again, from a same class different thinkers can come. In the same way from a gender you can have any thinking. You'll always have a small bias based on growing up, but if you keep it in mind and try to think beyond there's no point in limiting you.
Even more, for a minority to close itself to a majority member interested in helping is just hurting itself. Even though women aren't even a minority, but you get my point.

>>5426926
You can't just ignore the hegemonic discourse and hope it goes away. It slowly changes through actions and propaganda.

Where do you even start with Hegel? I feel I'm not getting the full Nietzche without him but it's just so much text that I'm not sure I want to read...

[Anonymous No.5426940]

>>5426926
>Read some continental philosophy

Sorry, I don't waste my time with nonsense. I've read enough of it to know it's a crock of shit.

[Anonymous No.5426943]

>>5426928
>can't we say the same for Christians?
Christians are people, too. Christianity, like all religion, is a spook

[Anonymous No.5426945]

>>5426936
>still replying to old and overused mems
>still taking anything on 4chan seriously
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/
>>>/wizardchan/

[Anonymous No.5426946]

>>5426938
I don't think you have a point. You clearly buy into a lot of academic theories that I consider to be nonsensical at best, so I have no desire to reason with you.

[Anonymous No.5426947]

>>5426796
>unless they have been indoctrinated a la Muslim extremists.
Why do you take propaganda so openly? How do you accept those are human characteristics but not for the ones your country wants to bomb and has been bombing since the 70's?

[Anonymous No.5426949]

>>5426940
This

[Anonymous No.5426951]

>>5426937
You didn't just really do that.

[Anonymous No.5426952]

>>5426928
⇒Philosophy is based on logic as much as science is.

No, just no. Philosophy is based on subjective belief and most philosophers do not even understand the dumbed down first order logic that is taught in philosophy curricula.

[Anonymous No.5426956]

>>5426928
>If psychological egoism states that we only act out of kindness for our own benefit, can't we say the same for Christians?
Exactly.
>They help the weak because they subconsciously believe that this will secure them a place in the afterlife, not for any altruistic reason.
>afterlife
Not really. There is no reasoning behind it, at least not today anymore. It is simply more of a moral feeling than anything, and in large part it was always this. You will see the reasoning behind it only if you look at the origins, which is in part the weak's lust for power over the strong - one way to interpret the figure of monotheistic God.

[Anonymous No.5426957]

>>5426903
>Self-perception is a function of the brain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

[Anonymous No.5426958]

>>5426903
Where does the perception exist?

[Anonymous No.5426962]

>>5426951
>muh meme philosopher
>he was depressed all the time and said women are le evil
>just like me
>I never got laid and I hate women too
>that makes me deep and philosophical just like schoppy

>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/
>>>/wizardchan/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/killyou'reself/

[Anonymous No.5426963]

>>5426947
>your country

I'm not American. Muslims aren't inherently murderous, obviously, their religion teaches them that Infidels deserve death. This is no different to the Crusades or the Third Reich, I was just using an example.

[St. Max's Revenge !b8mu1ihcfo No.5426964]

>>5426938
That's why you critique it logically.

You don't get the full Hegel from Nietzsche. Nietzsche, like the movements he inspired, misunderstands Hegel.

You get the full Hegel from everyone Hegel influenced and outdid. What I've done (and I think it's kind of unorthodox) is go from Wittgenstein to Hegel while reading Marx, Althusser, Mao, Kierkegaard, Stirner, and basically everyone else.

I'm focused on Hegel, though, because I think the dialectic reflects a higher truth.

>>5426940
You're disregarding something without looking into it and you think your opinion is credible?

>>5426952
>Implying first-order logic is universally applicable logic
>Implying there can't be other logics to correspond to other philosophies and other symbolic networks

But then again you completely misread the Tractatus and I'm intimately familiar with your game so I have no time for you anyway.

[Anonymous No.5426967]

>>5426962
Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. Please assume good faith in all further discussions on 4chan. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.5426968]

>>5426964
I've looked into it some but don't consider myself an expert, What I read was stupid enough to get me to dismiss the field

[Anonymous No.5426969]

>>5426964
>Hegel
>not a fraud

[Anonymous No.5426972]

>>5426807
>per encounter.
That makes it sound like a duel.
I like it.

>>5426808
What about europe circa 1600?

>>5426845
The other way around, only kids find that stuff funny. But it's okay, keep having this pin pong about who has the bigger e-dick, it's not pathetic at all.

>>5426855
You're acting as if no one could improve their lives thorugh murder and that's not only the usual case but we also think that people who do that are assholes. We don't like killing so much that antinatalism passed from a bush senior nwo politic to edgy teens.

>>5426906
But /lit/ loves materialism, don't you see the frankfurt and marx threads.

[St. Max's Revenge !b8mu1ihcfo No.5426974]

>>5426968
So you're openly ignorant. I respect that.
>>5426969
I haven't read Popper yet but I'm planning to once I've digested Hegel. I think most Anglosphere philosophy misunderstands Hegel on a basic level.

[Anonymous No.5426975]

>>5426969
>muh popper
>implying that guy even understood wht dialectics are

[Anonymous No.5426976]

>>5426972
>You're acting as if no one could improve their lives thorugh murder and that's not only the usual case but we also think that people who do that are assholes. We don't like killing so much that antinatalism passed from a bush senior nwo politic to edgy teens
We don't like it when other people kill, this is why we don't kill. Because we want to be liked.

[Anonymous No.5426979]

>>5426962
>muh ad hominem
>I don't have a response so I'll just try to poison the well.
>more discrediting, no refutation
This board is 18+ only.

[Anonymous No.5426980]

>>5426946
I clearly what? I just said that while you can scape your context you can understand it and think whatever you want.

>>5426964
I was just asking your opinion on where to start with Hegel.