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5420505 No.5420505 [Reply] [Original]

Should Philosophy have its own board?

It seems a pretty popular topic on here, but I dont think it should be connected with Literature. The two topic are quite different to me and a desire for a discussion in one is not necessarily equal to a desire to discuss the other

>> No.5420523

philosophy is literature so no

>> No.5420529

It would be dead.

>> No.5420531

If it did, it would be fucking dreadful

>>5420523
nah, it's not literature

>> No.5420534

I don't wish to discuss philosophy with people who wouldn't click on a literature board but would click on a philosophy board.

>> No.5420535

>>5420505
this board should be changed to /lit/ Literature and Humanities. So as to mirror /sci/ - Science and Math

>> No.5420538

>>5420505
completely unnecessary. Philosofags stick to their threads, litfags stick to theirs. There's nothing to be gained by separating them into different boards

>> No.5420540

>>5420523
That's an extremely broad definition though, surely you could include polemics and all sorts of political discourse in that case...

>> No.5420550

>>5420535
this.
It's not like /lit/ isn't already it, let's just assume it

>> No.5420553

>>5420540

Yeah sure, we talk about politics all the time on here.

>> No.5420592

>>5420505
This board is slow enough as it is, and I would visit both, so I would say no for purely selfish reasons even though it would make more sense to separate them.

>>5420535
this is a good cosmetic suggestion

>> No.5420598

Yeah because /lit/'s not slow enough as it is.

Having a board actually titled "Philosophy" would invite more intellectual dick waving than we already have, philosophy threads on /lit/ are fine, it's not like /pol/ where they derail other threads, they stick to their own.

>> No.5420613

>>5420535
>>5420538

Agreed.

>>5420505
The two are definitely interrelated and often overlap.

>> No.5420977

Proposed boards

/his/ History
/phil/ Philosophy
/pkd/ Philip K. Dick
/pros/ Prose
/poe/ Poetry
/ora/ Oratory
/genr/Genre
/ya/ Young Adult
/reli/ Religion

Now everyone will be happy ;)

>> No.5421668

>>5420977
You forget Thesis11

>> No.5421697 [DELETED] 

No, and mainly because of >>5420534

>> No.5421714

No, mainly because >>5420534

>> No.5421723

>>5421697
So "Literature" is a shibboleth beneath which we hide the sins of philosophy, history, anthropology, theology and the other humanities?

>> No.5421727

>>5420505
This board is slow enough and you want to split it up even more? We only have so many philosophy threads because few people here actually read/have read a decent amount

>> No.5421742

>>5421723
A philosophy board would attract "2deep4u" twitter philosophy teens who haven't actually read any legitimate Philosophers. Meanwhile, you probably wouldn't be allowed to discuss philosophy on the /lit/ only board.

>> No.5421744

A /phi/ board would be a containment board for the worst posters of /lit/, /sci/, /x/, /pol/, /r9k/, /b/ and /s4s/.

>> No.5421760

Philosophy IS literature you giant fucking plebeian.

Christ, how can people be so fucking idiotic.

>> No.5421762

>>5421744
I think you mean [s4s]

>> No.5423238

>>5420505
anyone have the pepe frog polymath philosopher pic. pls respond

>> No.5423251

/lit/ is already slow. there doesn't need to be another board.

>> No.5423259

>>5420977
but poe is already pol

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>>5423238
⇒the pepe frog polymath philosopher pic

You mean this silly caricature I made a month ago?

>> No.5423685

but none of us read and pretty much the only two literature related things you can do with that is philosophy or criticism

>> No.5423732

>having to deal with /pol/ and /b/ users idea of philosophy

no thanks pal. they would never think about going to a literature board but theyd flock to a /phil/ hard

>> No.5423748

If a phil board was made both here and there would be dead

>> No.5423750

It already has its own board; it's called the /x/ board.

Go there to talk about your 'metaphysics'.

>girlslaughing.jpeg

>> No.5423754

Should Jews have their own country?

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>>5420523
>philosophy is literature

yeah lol no.

moot already explicitly said there will never be a /phi/losophy board. Besides, it would be a shithole of pseudo-intellectuals and new agers from /x/.

it wouldnt be very fun at all if you were actually a philosopher, like myself. pic related

>> No.5423780

if you're so desperate for a phi board go to 7chan.

>> No.5423803

>>5423768

>screaming without lungs

How?

>> No.5423825

>>5423768
PROTIP: That's how everyone feels about you faggots and your cancer threads

>> No.5423836

>>5423754
Sure, the problem is that they occupied an already existing one because some of their ancestors lived there thousands of years ago and wrote about it in their holy book

>> No.5423842

>>5423768
Moot also said he'd never create a /biz/ board.

>>5423825
What's the matter? Is philosophy too hard for you?

>> No.5423847

>>5423842
>Is philosophy too hard for you?

Said noone ever.

'Philosophy' is dumb. You're dumb.

>> No.5423922

>>5423671
yes thank you anon

>> No.5423930

>>5420505
If philosophy got it's own board it would rapidly become populated with fedora-tier discussions about god, Rothbard-tier discussion about politics, and Dawkins-tier discussions about empiricism. We should be happy philosophy discussion is currently relegated to /lit/.

>> No.5424119

>>5423842
Post the image where stirner is le bird xP

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>> No.5426749

The fact that both can be discussed on /lit/ means I never have to lower myself to visiting more than one 4chan board.

>> No.5427001

>>5420538
>litfags stick to theirs
I wish. We get stupid posts all the time from people who haven't really read anything. Most philothreads are monkeys throwing their own shit (i.e. their shitty non-interpretations a.k.a. automatic dismals based on a sentence they're read from some other monkey) at each other without any real understanding to develop.

>> No.5427014

>>5421760
>Sun revolves around the Earth you giant fucking plebeian.
>Dear Lord, how can people be so fucking idiotic?
lol, you trust your assumptions without any thought too much

>> No.5427028

>>5426708
premise is incorrect therefore the conclusion is incorrect

>> No.5427042

>>5427028
You're right. But before talking about knowledge you have to establish what knowledge is, for which you need philosophy. So in this sense that anon is also right.

>> No.5427051

>>5427042
>before talking about knowledge
do any other boards talk about 'what knowledge is' or do they talk about its facets

>> No.5427061

>>5426749
Hear, hear.

>> No.5427081

>>5427051
Nope, it is assumed what knowledge vaguely means. Even when reflectively thinking about what knowledge is.
My point is just that there are some philosophical assumptions whatever you talk about, so in this way everything is connected to philosophy. But I'm not suggesting everything should be approached philosophically (i.e. to reflect your own assumptions), far from it.

I think ideally there should be a /phi/ board, however this won't work on 4chan because of too many low-quality posts from people who haven't really read any philosophy or more than 1-2 philosophers. There was some anon some time ago who suggested another image board where they do have a /phi/ board and more stricter rules, but I can't find the link in the archive.

>> No.5427084

>>5427051
Philosophy is the only discipline that cares what 'knowledge' is. The point of modern philosophy is to keep other disciplines on track and to pull them out of their own assholes when they fall into them.

>> No.5427085

>>5420534
exactly

>> No.5427096

But we already have several boards filled with bullshit

>> No.5427133

>>5420977
Why would /pkd/ and /ya/ need to be separate?

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>>5427096

>> No.5427652

>>5427084
⇒Philosophy is the only discipline that cares what 'knowledge' is

Nope, knowledge is subject of cognitive science.

>> No.5427691

>>5420505 I think it would be fine enough if /lit/ Literature was renamed to /lit/ - Literature & Philosophy.
Is moot actually reading his mails ?

>> No.5427693

>>5427652

>what knowledge is

Does it ever occur to you that your whole persona is literally based on 'reacting to others'?

>> No.5427699

>>5427693
I'm replying and correcting. I don't start threads. Where's the problem?

>> No.5427708

>>5420505
no, fuck off newfag.

>> No.5427722

>>5427699

>where's the problem?

It's a tendency, not a problem. It's peculiar, though.

>> No.5427806

>>5420523
So is economics, but /biz/ has its own board.

>> No.5427823

So which board would get dibs on The Stranger?

>> No.5427871

>>5427652
Can you jutify that epistemological claim using actual cognitive science terminology in an intelligent manner?

>> No.5427896

>>5427133
I think he's trying to say they don't classify as literature, but I have no idea what it is he's trying to say.

>> No.5428074

Does Walter Benjamin mean with his seal metaphor that we can only understand things through the effects of their representations; kind of like Plato's Cave but with added obfusculation?

>> No.5428075

>>5423259
Underrated post.

>> No.5428084

>>5427871
Can you justify that I need to justify anything?

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>>5420505
Yes. Oh god yes, it should have its own board.

I'm sick of seeing all these non-literature threads where preteens discuss how they've misread the wikipedia article about Nietzsche.

>hurr whats da diffurnce between nihilism and existentialism?
>durrr is stoicism da one true truth?
>derp-uh-duhh am i retarded 4 believing in solipsism?
>hunnnnnnnngh what is objectively da best philo-muh-sophy?
>wuhnnnn is deconstructionism and postmodernism da same thing?
>waaaah! Guys I have da nihilisms how do i make it go away! Make da nihlisms go away pleeze!
Every day. Every fucking day.

>> No.5428119

>>5428074
I don't think there are any Benjamin readers here, so here I go with my preconceptions...
From what you've said I think the difference between Plato and Benjamin might be that Plato believed in the sun while Benjamin thought there's no outside of cave (i.e. metaphor). I haven't read him myself, but I read Derrida and Derrida read Benjamin, so this might not be totally wrong. Derrida thought that communication or any thought (i.e. "reflective self-communication") is necessarily metaphorical since it's a transferal of meaning - this transferal of meaning is the essence of metaphor itself.

>> No.5428134

>>5428119
I'm reading Benjamin's essay on Goethe's Elective Affinities, and I'm staggered by how much useless intellectual wankery is going on around the rather more interesting analysis, such as describing the distinction between the critic and the commentator in blind and unhelpful metaphorical terms.

I hope this doesn't make me an anti-intellectual.

Thanks a lot, though!