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[Anonymous No.5066391]

Is analytic philosophy worth it besides knowing formal logic and Wittgenstein? It seems overly eltist and dismissive of everything else in philosophy which can't be shoehorned into formal logic models and puts too much faith in formal logic in general. I think it's shit. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.5066393]

>>5066391
OP is genuinely retarded. Thread Hidden

[Anonymous No.5066399]

Also, Sokal Paper didn't debunk shit. All it proved was that meh-tier academic journals would rather publish someone based on name/prestige, which furthers the Postmodernists' argument that knowledge is basically the result of power.

[Anonymous No.5066486]

>>5066391
No. No it's not.

[Anonymous No.5066526]

>>5066391
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with it besides Wittgenstein, who's a bit hard to put in one school. Formal logic is pretty cool on its own.

[Anonymous No.5066565]

the content of this thread is disappointingly not up to the standards that image has set

[Anonymous No.5066580]

⇒formal logic
⇒philosophy

Choose only one. You must of missed more than 200 years of cultural history. Ever since it has been formalized, logic is a field of math and not of philosophy anymore,.

[Anonymous No.5066798]

>>5066580
Yes.

[onionring !Rrxa7zePwI No.5066833]

>>5066391
you are wrong. prove me wrong. bye

[Anonymous No.5066878]

>>5066580

>Ever since it has been formalized, logic is a field of math and not of philosophy anymore,.

Do you have any reason to believe that other than ignorance? To give only one glaring example, almost nothing that Kripke has written is not directly connected to the developments in modal logic that he himself spearheaded.

[Anonymous No.5066918]

>>5066878
Kripke has a math degree. You are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.5066964]

>It seems
>I think
Nobody cares, philistine.

[Anonymous No.5068239]

>>5066918
Yet his writings on modal logic have nothing to do with math.

[Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE No.5068306]

I'm just getting into it, I really like the idea. When I started Wittgenstein I was expecting the Euclid of philosophy, which I kinda got. My only gripe is that his definitions of terms are a bit foggier than a I hoped he and defines them as he goes along, generally after using them in a syllogism, forcing me to go back and reread.

[Anonymous No.5068309]

>>5066580

Mathematics doesn't exactly try to delve into philosophical questions. Sure it's purely logical, but that's just it, it's purely logical. It only encompasses rules and how things exist in reality. It never asks why and tries to apply this logic.

[Anonymous No.5068311]

>>5068306
>Euclid of philosophy
>not Spinoza

[Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE No.5068321]

>>5068311
Ya got me

[Anonymous No.5068816]

>>5066391
>dat image
literal lol

[Anonymous No.5068882]

Continental philosophy is for those easily moved by emotions and opinion. The demos.

Analytic philosophy is for those of superior mind and high morals. Truth seekers.

[Anonymous No.5068886]

>>5068882
I touch and raise my soft felt hat to you, good sir.

[Anonymous No.5068905]

>>5068882

contintental philosophy:
>here is my opinion

analytic philosophy:
>here is my opinion, but since it is MY opinion it has to be logical fact and if you disagree I'll call you a turd burglar because that's the only logical and intellectual response you can expect from a mature analytic individual like myself

[Anonymous No.5068971]

>>5068882
>philosophy
>25% female
what? it's at least 60% at my uni

[Anonymous No.5068974]

>>5066391
It's not elitism if it's rational.

[Anonymous No.5068978]

>>5068974
Here's the original infographic. Troll harder.

[Anonymous No.5068988]

>>5068978
This isn't a troll thread.

[Anonymous No.5068993]

>>5068988
Philosophy is applied trolling.

[Anonymous No.5069008]

>>5066918
So? Dosto had a mechanical engeneering degree, doesnt mean he didnt basically create existentialism.

[Anonymous No.5069046]

>>5066391

I think it is. I had the same attitude as you in the past but if you actually read some of the contemporary work on issues you're interested in you might be surprised like I was. I don't consider myself an analytic philosopher but I also now realize that much of the hate towards analytic philosophy is either based on naivety, like mine, or is the result of laziness (this also seems to be true of analytics who hate "continentals" even though many analytic philosophers recognize that the distinction itself is useless at best and is likely harmful. I think people outside the analytic tradition don't give credit to how open analytic philosophers have become in the past few decades.

Short answer is that there is still some elitism for sure but you should read some contemporary work before dismissing a huge portion of the philosophical works that exist.

>>5066399

Not defending the idiots who think the Sokal paper proves something huge but, to be fair, it was a journal run by Frederic Jameson, who isn't "meh-tier" in the Continental world. It also wouldn't prove that knowledge is the result of power since any of the major anglo-american journals wouldn't have published it. If anything, it shows that postmodernists failed to recognize the dynamic they think is so important.

>>5066580

> Ever since it has been formalized, logic is a field of math and not of philosophy anymore,.

That's just not true. Even "mathematical logic" is usually taught in philosophy departments still. Although math and computer sciences especially rely on it in a lot of ways and it could be considered part of those fields, it's still considered within the realm of philosophy as well.

>>5068882

You're dumber than OP and your graph is irrelevant to your points.

>>5068971

That's abnormal. Philosophy has been and still is male dominated (which has become an issue for a lot of people, especially the past decade or so).

>>5068974
>>5068978

shit trolls trolling shit trolls.

>>5069008

>not realizing all of Dosto's work is an elaborate allegory of the history of mechanical engineering.

[Anonymous No.5069239]

>>5069046
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>>not realizing all of Dosto's work is an elaborate allegory of the history of mechanical engineering.

All of his work sounds that of a person too scared to live

[Anonymous No.5070084]

Is continental philosophy worth it besides knowing feminism and Hegel? It seems overly eltist and dismissive of everything else in philosophy which can't be shoehorned into dialectic models and puts too much faith in dialectical materialism in general. I think it's shit. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.5070115]

>>5070084
>feminism
>worth knowing

[Anonymous No.5070120]

>>5068309
What philosophical problems did philosophers SOLVE?

[Anonymous No.5070135]

>>5070115
>philosophy in general
>worth knowing

[Anonymous No.5070160]

>>5068971

If you happen to be in a somewhat continental-heavy department, there will be more women. Most departments aren't so lucky, so the overall percentage is 25% women.

[Anonymous No.5070161]

>>5070135

[Anonymous No.5070169]

>>5070161
Wittgenstein was an autistic nutcase. His Tractatus is just insane ramblings of a manchild who is too dumb to understand language. If he wasn't a spoiled rich kid with the financial capacities to bribe contemporary public opinion makers, he would of never become famous and would of been ignored just like he deserved. There is nothing insightful and nothing worth mentioning in his work.

[Anonymous No.5070176]

>>5070169
>calling the Tractatus ramblings

Either you have never even looked at the TLP, or you don't know what the words you are using mean.

[Anonymous No.5070179]

>>5070169
Sounds like Wittgenstein put someone out a job. Go back to Starbucks, kiddo.

Oh, and Witty gave his money away. All of it.

[Anonymous No.5070186]

>>5070176
⇒Es ist dem Ding wesentlich, der Bestandteil eines Sachverhaltes sein zu können.
Useless semantic wankery.

Ironically the Tractatus literally destroys the entirety of philosophical mumbo jumbo with its last line:
⇒Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.

[Anonymous No.5070188]

Masses of cold air, earthquake, fire, three or more reviews of willow in West Asia countries!

[Anonymous No.5070189]

>>5070186

It's not ironic at all.

[Anonymous No.5072244]

>>5068882
>You're dumber than OP and your graph is irrelevant to your points.

Philosophy is unsullied by women. Virginal pureness ensures its upstanding moral quality.

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072253]

>>5072244
There's fairly good scientific evidence that men have the capacity to focus on one thing more intensely than women, so it's actually semi-true that men will dominate fields that are essentially about sitting there and focusing on one subject intensely

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072259]

>>5068306
He wrote them in the trenches during WWI so it makes sense

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072273]

>>5068309
Not exactly. There are plenty of paradoxes about naming numbers and set theory that are plainly philosophical. Think of "the smallest number that cannot be described in less than twenty syllables". Now, is this label an effective name for that number?

This is why philosophy never stops being important. ZFC was created to avoid the Bertrand paradoxes and Godels theorems but the question then becomes: does ZFC accurately depict anything? What is ZFC? Which are only philosophical questions

Only a total idiot would say "math works, therefore it is more important than philosophy"

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072275]

>>5068882
>that chart

Hahaha, oh, wow

[Anonymous No.5072278]

>>5068306
wittgenstein isn't analytic

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072281]

>>5070169
Dunning-Kruger

[Anonymous No.5072414]

This is what we have so far:

Who are they?
Continentals are baristas and their females have hairy legs
Analytics are male nerds and smooth skinned virgins

Are they just?
Continentals are morally relativist
Analytics solve ethical quandaries

How do they communicate?
Continentals use garbled, unintelligible speech in foreign languages
Analytics use clear, concise, English American and Math

Do they support science?
Continentals don't
Analytics do

Most common emotion?
Continentals feel frustration at not comprehending the world, but being born dumb is not their fault
Analytics feel high IQ

Guide to Scoring
1: -1, +1
2: 0, +1
3: -1, +1
4: -1, +1
5: 0, +1

[Anonymous No.5072438]

>>5072414
-10/10

[le trole faec ಠ_ಠ !Avm1fqtITk No.5072441]

>>5072414
>continentals don't support science

What planet do you live on?

[Anonymous No.5072448]

>>5066391
All philosophy is shit and has yet to justify its continued existence besides keeping people miserable (this is actually useful).

[Anonymous No.5072500]

>>5066391

I think you are a stupid piece of shit that has never read anything worthwhile in his life except stupid 4chan posts and facebook comments. Finish a philosophy book first before performing your obligatory american blabla.

[Anonymous No.5072505]

>>5072448

shut up you whore. you haven't read shit for anyone to believe your internet-educated nonsense. dont you have anything better to do?

[Anonymous No.5072591]

>>5072438
Actually, the final score was -3 to 5.

I know continentals sometimes make mistakes finger counting. You're not at fault though, it's your inferior genetic make up.

[Anonymous No.5072661]

[Anonymous No.5072712]

>>5072414
>most common emotion
>analytics feel high IQ
>feel
>IQ

[Anonymous No.5072747]

>>5068309
>Mathematics doesn't exactly try to delve into philosophical questions.

They solved Zeno's paradox for one. If mathematics solved it, it would no longer be called philosophy. Philosophy at this point is more like literary criticism and historical contextualizing than anything else.