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4727618 No.4727618[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Why was Socrates (at least Plato's representation of him) such a fucking mcweenie? He refused to recognize the damage he'd cause by refusing to give up his pride and came up with probably one of the worst social contract theories I've ever heard. Why do people consider him wise again?

>> No.4727626

It wasn't pride it was principle. All government/social contracts, in debate, center around the idea of consequence vs principle.

>> No.4727627

>>4727618
Care to elaborate?

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4727632

He was a wiseguy.

>> No.4727660

>>4727627
Every single point Crito made when he pleaded with Socrates to let him rescue him from imprisonment were good ones. But Socrates had to be all "muh wisdom" and "muh principles" every five seconds or just outright ignored him.

>> No.4727676

>>4727632
CARLOS

>> No.4727759

>>4727618

Plato's representation of him is deeply flawed and if you rely on that alone you get the impression of a man with his head simultaneously in the clouds and up his ass. If you look at other representations of him he's painted as a deeply practical man concerned with giving his students a solid ethical code.

>> No.4728469

>>4727759

>If you look at other representations of him he's painted as a deeply practical man concerned with giving his students a solid ethical code.

what other ancient representations of him are there outside of plato's work and how do they differ?

For me, it kinda made sense to stay and die after saying he would take the punishment although, some of his values concerning the relationship between the state and the individual I wouldn't necessarily agree with. However, Socrates didn't really have a problem with the state of Athens and wasn't looking to be a revolutionary.