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Worst philosophers thread?

>> No.4182248

>>4182245
FUCK YOU

putnam is gr8 he also seems like a really nice dude

>> No.4182256

derrida, kristeva and heidegger.
they heid their lack of ideas behind their illegible "writing" style. nothing more than academic, elitist masturbation.

>> No.4182259

>>4182256
yo keep heideggy out of that group he got some real shit to say he just a shit writer he can't help it

>> No.4182280

this is the worst philosopher thread

>> No.4182285

>>4182280

Yes, yes it is.

>> No.4182287
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How people derive anything of value from the nonsense this asshole spouts is beyond me

>> No.4182289

>>4182287
lol no one has even read him

discussion of zizek
>89% quirky mannerisms
>4% chomsky feud
>4% shit he said in a youtube video plus the word "ideology" somewhere
>3% "i know he has something to do with lacan" mentions of lacan
>0% any mention of anything that he ever wrote in a published work

>> No.4182290

>>4182287
We know. You create around 6 threads on the subject a day

>> No.4182298
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fucking idiot

>> No.4182302

>>4182245

Any philosopher that isn't a mathematician or a scientist in a reputable field as well.

Bacon, Descartes, Leibniz (think calculus), Frege, B.F. Skinner, Daniel Dennett are all okay.

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>> No.4182306

>>4182302
wait but you don't think putnam is ok? what are you on?

>> No.4182312

>>4182302
>Husserl is okay

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>>4182302
>philosopher
>mathematician

lel

>> No.4182317

>>4182302
Wittgenstein counts as a mathematician right?

>> No.4182318

>>4182317

Fuck no.

>muh sky daddy

>> No.4182319

everyone who isn't max stirner

>> No.4182321

witty criticism /lit/
really good argumentation

>> No.4182322

>>4182312

I remember reading on here that Husserl influenced Derrida, so he's definitely more in the pseudo-philosopher bullshit-artist camp

>> No.4182330

>>4182322
lol what philosophy have you read

>> No.4182334

>>4182330

>reading

I prefer to think for myself, thanks.

>> No.4182335

>>4182322
at least someone read husserl.

>>4182330
he read that on lit. so none.

>> No.4182337

>>4182335

Yeah, it's obvious to all of us that you're a butthurt Continental dilettante Derrida wannabe. Just leave the fucking thread with what little dignity you have left.

>> No.4182339

>>4182334
lol'd 10/10 troll

>> No.4182341

>>4182287
are not the two contradictory qualities attached to me by critics, that I am
>A. indecipherable, jargon ridden, postmodern (?!?), an impossible to follow string of references and totally abstract statements
>B. Basic, banal, entry-level, a rudimentary synthesis of other figures whose statements are totally simple and obvious
reminiscent of the mutually exclusive negative qualities attached to the master-signifier of The Jew in Nazi Germany?
My god, you know nothing of my work

>> No.4182342

Fuck Socrates. Fuck Vogel. Fuck Nozick. Fuck Plato a little bit too. I'm really getting pissed the fuck off with Descartes too. And you know what? Might as well fuck John Stuart Mill with his pseudo-intellectual, elitist, sociopathic bullshit.

>> No.4182346

>>4182342
>Fuck Nozick

why

>> No.4182347

>>4182342
watch that edge

>> No.4182349

>>4182346
see >>4182347

>> No.4182352

>>4182349

Nah, it would be edgy if he attacked Hume or Aquinas or somebody.

>> No.4182355

>>4182346
i've really only read an excerpt from one of his works for an intro to philosophy course, but i've come to really dislike the course itself, so i project these negative feelings onto the works that i've been introduced to through the course. I was actually just trying to project an edgy, college freshman, pseudo-intellectual, contrarian personality with that post.
I would actually love recommendations on what works by Nozick and any other similar philosophers I should read, philosophy is a really interesting topic to me, i've just found that this sort of hand-holding approach my uni takes to a philosophy education isn't really my thing, I prefer to self-educate and extract ideas from my reading on my own, rather than have it all handed to me

>> No.4182356

>>4182352
>I'm really getting pissed the fuck off with Descartes too. And you know what?
>implying this isn't cringeworthy edginess

>> No.4182366

>>4182356
no u

>> No.4182371

>>4182355

Nick Land, Julius Evola, and Emile Cioran are good. Read those first.

>> No.4182391

>>4182371
thanks :^)

>> No.4182408
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>> No.4182412

your favourite philosopher

>> No.4182428

>>4182287
This, I claim, is ideology at it's most pure.

>> No.4182430

>>4182408
*grabs you by the throat*
Back the fuck off!?!!?

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>>4182408

>> No.4182432

>>4182371
>Julius Evola
Hello Ctrl-C Ctrl-V. And Atlantis.

>> No.4182437

>>4182430
>>4182431
His ideas about property gave colonialists an excuse to steal land from the natives. He was a child of his times, because if you don't dick around with liberalism you can be honest that might is right.

Also, his idea that you must add your own work to land if it's going to be property is proto-Soviet. Because according to the Soviet theory of labor, value is added only by adding work. The more work, the more value.

Despicable person! May his memory be spread by the four winds.

>> No.4182470

>>4182437
You can't judge an idea on the assholes who abused it in generations prior to the author's death.

Locke's contribution to the world was the first philosopher to bring the idea of inalienable human rights and the dignity of the individual over the might of the state. He is the FATHER of liberalism. The colonialists had been stealing land from the natives for a century before Locke was even born, get ur history right.

He was also an exceptionally modest man with an incredibly small opinion of himself: he saw his work as just sweeping up after the true genius of his age, something like an intellectual man-servant. Pretty much the only greater bro in the history of modern philosophy is David Hume. You won't find two more gentle, kind-hearted philosophers.

>> No.4182476

This dude.

Philosophy should be an art that makes dark concepts clearer, not the other way around.

His concept of spirit, and romanticism in general, I like. It just seems he tried to make it appear as crap, as an infiltrate agent would do with any potential theory, for the status quo.

>> No.4182478

>>4182289
I don't mention Zizek when I post about how the symbolic, imaginary and real manifests itself in society, but it's something I have derived from reading him, I also fail to mention him when I post about the sublime object of ideology.

It's on purpose, because only the ones who have read him will have a slight idea of what I'm talking about.

But to post his actual ideas in a Zizek thread seems preposterous to me, since people ought to read his books, not gain superficial knowledge from lurking /lit/

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>>4182476

The dude is this one... His spirit must be butthurt... Teeheee

>> No.4182482

>>4182478

I didn't meant Zizek, but Hegel. I never read him, and I never will, despise the marketeer effort some anons seem to be making.

>> No.4182483

>>4182371
Ebola is a pseudo intellectual bullshit artist who goes to Rome and wanks to statues of people who actually never looked like that.

>involution
>Atlantis
>magic
>priests as a dominant power in society

>> No.4182489

>>4182476
*any potential theory, dangerous for*

>> No.4182493

>>4182341
>are not the two contradictory qualities attached to me by critics
Yes. Yes, certainly. This is why we have DIALECTIC. Those pesky contradictions are not a problem anymore! The point I am getting at is - both dialectic and psychoanalysis are huge piles of steaming horse manure and how a 'philosopher' whose whole work is built upon those gets any amount of serious academic attention is indeed a great question of our age

>> No.4182495

>>4182470
>he saw his work as just sweeping up after the true genius of his age

Newton? I know it has to be a scientist and not a philosopher, at least.

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>>4182493
Says the guy who has never read any.

>> No.4182500

>>4182496

I really wish that graph was better labelled, because otherwise it implies that you never know if you're on Mount Stupid or on the curve to the right.

>> No.4182499

>>4182493
That is an extremely important "Hegelian" concept too. Thanks for reminding it to me. But I think Dialectic was rather a Platonic concept, which it rooted deeply in the concept of antagonistic forces of the universe struggling with each other, and paying justice and retribution eternally?

>> No.4182503

>>4182496
Mount Your Mum: not shown :DDDDDDD

>> No.4182504

>>4182500
You don't, but if you have been 'taken out' intellectually by someone who knows his shit in reality and not the internet, you are probably on the way to the big mountain.

Check out the dunning Krueger effect.

>> No.4182505

>>4182500

Or if the curve to the right is another mount stupid, except higher, and the pattern extends eternally... I personally think it's a good thing to remember.

>> No.4182506

>>4182504

Except it implies that the other person might just be little bit higher up Mount Stupid, even IRL.

>>4182505

I think this is the right analysis, except instead of a range of Mount Stupids, I think it's more likely that each Mount Stupid recursively contains itself and all others, and you never know which magnitude of stupid you are, ascending, as it were.

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>>4182506

All I know, is I know nothing. But damn, it feels good to delude myself into knowing. It's like a glance at eternity!

>> No.4182513

>>4182509

It does feel nice to understand things without worrying about whether or not they are true.

>> No.4182524

>>4182470
>father of liberalism
There is no such thing.

>natural rights
Has been the forte of the catholic church. Especially when threatened by opponents who had siezed the initiative and acts in highly unnatural ways. The idea of natural rights per se doesn't lead in one specific direction.

>abused ideas
Standard defense A1. If he didn't think his theory of labor through he was either lazy or stupid.

>Hume
Ok, he believed that nignogs are inferior. But from that didn't colonization follow. In that regard, he was anti-Locke.

>personal life
Doesn't matter in this case. He wasn't like Rosseau who wrote treatsies on how to raise your child while sending his own away.

>> No.4182553

>>4182371
Cioran is great at describing psychological states but in terms of system he's awful

>> No.4182573

>>4182476

But Hegel was an atheist in conservative theocracy. If he was not cryptic, he would have lost his position in academia. Just look at his students who, with there not-so-cryptic philosophies, were all removed from academia.

>> No.4182578

>>4182256
>illegible
The modern printing press can help with that.

>> No.4182628

>>4182304

JS Mill was crap, but at least he was earnest. Ive noticed most good philosophy starts by quoting Mill, and refuting him. I appreciate his contribution, even if its just being a public doofus everyone gets to correct.

>>4182317
>>4182318

I think Wittgenstein counts. Wittgenstein got involved in philosophy, sort of accidentally through his interest in Math. Even though Wittgenstein is famously a philosopher of language, he considered his greatest contribution to be in the philosophy of Math.

>>4182470

>Locke's contribution to the world was the first philosopher to bring the idea of inalienable human rights and the dignity of the individual over the might of the state. He is the FATHER of liberalism

Wow, every reason to dislike him. btw Hume is trash.

>> No.4182666

>>4182553

Man, fuck systems. If you want a system go do science. I want to destroy people's credulity and hope. I want to tear apart meaning.

>> No.4182672
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Just passing through, burgoise scum

>> No.4182673

>>4182666

And how tearing apart meaning would be destroying people hope? It would only show them how to use it to get freed.

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>>4182673

Hope is a transitive verb. If one hopes, one hopes for something. The point is to take away that something, and then we will truly be free.

>> No.4182676

>>4182322
godel was also a big fan...

>> No.4182681

>>4182342
>2013
>Not part of the Pythagorean Cult

>> No.4182682

>>4182470
>prior to the author's death.
u wot m8
>father of liberalism
so he's to blame?

>> No.4182685

>>4182676

Godel can suck my chodel while I yodel.

>> No.4182689

>>4182493
> Implying that dialectic (not dialectics) is a field on to itself
> Implying that any theory or system of thought is more than a perspective from which to look at the world.

>> No.4182693

>>4182689

>implying you can assert anything meaningful once you go full relativist, because the claim that there are only perspectives is itself only a perspective, and may be dismissed without further explanation needed

>> No.4182697

>>4182675

You butthurt, it must be egregious.

>> No.4182698

>>4182553
Stoya gives awesome blowjobs and her tits are amazing. But as a man she does a really poor job.

>> No.4182702

>>4182698

Her tits are 12 year old boy-tier. Great facial expressions though.

>> No.4182714

>>4182693
> Implying that a construction ceases to function the second we know how it functions.
Just because we acknowledge systems of thought as perspectives does not mean that they bear no meaning, and that you can never assert anything. You merely accept that any assertion or claim of truth is partly constructed by yourself.

>> No.4182728

>>4182298
This. Brilliant writer, stupid thoughts.

>> No.4182735

>>4182302
Pfft

Fuck off,you retarded STEMfag.

>> No.4182738

>>4182334
Oh jesus, another one of you retards. Why are you even on a literature board?

>> No.4182740

>>4182342
>Fuck Socrates
>Fuck Plato a little bit

Nigga, Socrates>Plato.
Know thyself is the very beginning of a good philosophy.

>> No.4182748

God, this board is such horseshit.

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>>4182342
>fuck Mill
I do not care what my second year political philosophy lecturer said, the Harm Principle holds up just fine.

>> No.4182775

Nietzsche, Derrida, Foucault. Because they are postmodernist relativists who think language is more powerful than man and not just a tool of him. And then, every exaggerattig sceptic there is (but that is a thing of students and boys not real philosophers, I don't even no one famoussceptic. Ah wait! Sextus Mpiricus. That guy was BAD...)
Oh and the whole bunch of neurological philosophers. They demand a change of our law and punishment system becauseno one anbe judged bcus there is no free will. Stupid as fuck.

>> No.4182781

>>4182775
>Oh and the whole bunch of neurological philosophers. They demand a change of our law and punishment system becauseno one anbe judged bcus there is no free will.
Well, what to do if there is not free will?

>> No.4182785

>>4182748
I can't tell if it used to be better or that I realized how full of shit most of it is once I started reading the texts.

>> No.4182791

>>4182775
>Nietzsche, Derrida, Foucault. Because they are postmodernist relativists who think language is more powerful than man and not just a tool of him.

This is so fucking embarrassing.

>> No.4182804

>>4182685
>too ignorant to realize Godel doesn't rhyme with yodel

>> No.4182841

>>4182791
it's true though. why engage in redundant semantics discussions when you can comprehend the structures of truth, reality and knowledge through critical, logical analysis?

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All his ideas have been refuted.

>> No.4182938

>>4182932
yeah, looks like descartes got descarted.

>> No.4182953

>>4182938
my sides.
Anyway Descartes did a good job installing rational and critical thinking.

>> No.4182955

>>4182841
Go back to the enlightenment, Immoveable Cunt

>> No.4182964

>>4182955
we're still discussing enlightenment ideas on academic circles. do you think the "ideas" derrida, deleuze or any of those frauds will be a topic in 50 years? they will just become examples of lack of insight, excesses of academic language, crescent elitism in some philosophy circles and the abuse of language for obscurity's sake.

>> No.4183010
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Locke

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>>4182932
>mfw

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>/lit/ talking about philosophy
The majority of people here don't know shit

>> No.4183065

>>4183051
Anyone who did know shit wouldn't post in a thread about 'worst philosophers'. Especially since it's only going to be about either (a) just listing the names of philosophers you dislike with no content or argument whatsoever and (b) shitting on impenetrable postmodern French philosophers for the same reasons that people always shit on them, and I really don't understand why anyone at all would want to get involved with either of those conversations.

>> No.4183067

>property rights are bad and inalienable rights are immoral
>might doesn't make right

Wow, that is enough /lit/ for today. I'm sure the colonists loved explaining to the ghosts of the natives how they can no longer own something if they are dead.

>> No.4183111

Anyone who isn't Aristotle is pretty shit imo.

>> No.4183133

>>4182932
>ideas
>being refuted

>> No.4183377

>>4182322
Tons of people influenced Derrida. Many of them were not bullshitters.

Anyway, Husserl also influenced Ryle and Sellars, to my knowledge, and I read somewhere that Bertrand Russell also liked the Logical Investigations. Husserl, especially in his early years, almost seems like an analytic at heart.

>> No.4183395

>>4182483
Nigga u know nothing about history and have probably never understood glorious Evola.

>> No.4183400

>>4182628
This.

>> No.4183412

>>4182964
This. Especially Deleuze and Derrida. Fags. Nietzsche will remain, for his ideas on life and glory are appealing to the human heart. And because he writes good.

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>> No.4183520

>>4183516
/thread

>> No.4183521

>>4183516
pls she's a romance novelist

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>>4183133

the only good post in this thread.

>> No.4183631

>>4182964
>we're
oh shit i didn't know you were an expert on the subject, i guess your opinion is infallible

derrida and deleuze might not be all that great, but by saying humans can comprehend truth without thinking about language you've already destroyed any possible credibility you might have gotten from that one intro to philosophy class you took that one time. Stop talking about postmodernism if you don't understand it and just want to throw around buzzwords.

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/thread

You just can't beat him.

>> No.4183731

>>4182932
all
except the idea
of the dick

>> No.4184085

Whatcha got against 'Nam?

>> No.4184092

>>4182256

But Heidegger is good. In fact, he's the only good continental. I mean, I agree he's just as sophistic as the next guy, but he accidentally said something meaningful and interesting. So that makes him okay in my book.

>> No.4184111

>>4182932

Yes, and? You can be a good thinker without actually being correct.

>> No.4184132

>>4182964
>do you think the "ideas" derrida, deleuze or any of those frauds will be a topic in 50 years?

I guarantee people will still be reading and discussing Deleuze and Derrida in 50 years.

>> No.4184190

>>4182524

>someone watched a few "lectures" (intellectual masturbations) and acquired esoteric "knowledge" of Locke

Historical reductionism does not negate the existence of liberalism.

Natural rights is a very old European concept tackled by many intellectuals and Locke's particular theory has been of obvious influence.

>> No.4184194

>>4182628

>JS Mill was crap
>Hume is trash

Would you mind explaining your reasoning rather than spouting about your effete emotions?

>> No.4184373

>>4182476
>>4182480
>>4182482
I used to think you are a decent guy.

>> No.4184385

>>4182476
>Philosophy should be an art that makes dark concepts clearer, not the other way around.
yeah, the relationships in language are never arbitrary, let's embody simplifications and take language just as it is because that's clear and non-pretentious. clearly a critical analysis of language itself is not necessary.

>> No.4184403

>>4182483


'priests' ARE the dominant power in society, where do you think washington bureaucrats get the policy cues from? think tanks and ivy league.

>but muh corps

where do you think they get their ideas from either?

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>>4182480
Pretty much this. Schopenhauer basically said Hegel is whoring his philosophy on the street for money.