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Hey /lit/! Where should I start up with reading Ludwig Wittgenstein? Also if you can give me a little bit of an insight into his philosophy it would be most welcome!

>> No.4097603

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Pretty much all you need to know.

>> No.4097605

>>4097603
/thread

inb4 lit wiki wittgensteinians

>> No.4097607

The best way you can sum up his philosophy is: Read everything or don't bother with a single line.

>> No.4097609
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4097609

Might as well post this image.

>> No.4097619

>>4097609
OP, this.

Although I'd probably read Monk first (I did, in fact) to get an overview of both Early and Late Wittgenstein before diving into either/or the Tractatus and the PI.

>> No.4097913

did he write any essays that were philosophical?

I don't consider any of his work on language, logic, semantics, to be philosophy or interesting at all. His tractatus is absolute garbage and I'm glad he completely distanced himself from it.

Did he write any philosophy at all? On wiki it just shows all his silly ideas about dick-ducks and semantics...utter nonsense.

>> No.4098015

Wittgenstein was a shitty, unclear writer. Read 2nd literature about him if you must.

e.g. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/

>> No.4098031

>>4097913
Blue & Brown books, On Certainty -- there are more I can't recall. There's a PDF will all of his writings combined.

>> No.4098643

>2013
>finitism

>> No.4098660

>not being a part of the /lit/ Wittgenstein IRC study group

>> No.4098798

>>4098660
>not giving info on how to join

Is it necessary for us to waste our time asking you when you waste your time not telling us how, or something? I must have missed the abstruse memo.

>> No.4098826

>>4098015
>Wittgenstein was a shitty, unclear writer
Ha ha oh wow.

>> No.4098828

>>4098015
No he wasn't. He's one of the best writers in philosophy.

>> No.4098829

>>4098826
every philosophical dickhead is

>> No.4098839

>>4098829
Perhaps another board is more fit for you.

>> No.4098840

>>4098839
i'm just saying how u gonna call out one dude from writing incomprehensible shit when they all do it

>> No.4098847

>>4098840
Wittgenstein is really clear.

The continentals aren't representative of philosophical writing.

>> No.4098851

>>4098840
maybe u should learn to read

>> No.4098926

>>4097609
This is a nice little infographic. As far as reading order is concerned, I recommend checking out the Brown Book while reading Philosophical Investigations, only because it was originally supposed to turn into PI. He abandoned it and started over. The Blue Book is also a good companion to PI.

On Certainty is crazy fun, but not heavily edited so it might be confusing to understand at points.

Tractatus is an amazing read, especially if you have an understanding of Frege and Russel (and other early analytics).

>> No.4099033

>>4098926
Thanks, but the infographic needs improving. When I made it I forgot you needed to have a vague understanding of Wittgenstein's 'simple objects' in order to grasp a mid sized chunk of the Investigations quite early, so I need to add to look them up on Wikipedia, for instance. This is one of the reasons I'm running the study group on IRC - to improve the guide image and pick up on things I missed.

I'll post instructions on how to join in with the study group later (we're up to section 40) - posting from my phone and just about to head into a conference.

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4099037

You can start by reading the greatest philosophical biography ever written.

>> No.4099085

>>4099037
the most overbloated bio you mean

>> No.4099098

>>4099085
Contrarian faggot detected.

>> No.4099103 [DELETED] 

>>4099098

People will often have contrary opinions when you through around hyperbole like "the greatest".

You'd already know this if you weren't such a fucking idiot.

>> No.4099108

>>4099098
>>>/b/

>> No.4099634

>>4098015
Wittgenstein was phenomenally clear, he just requires extremely slow reading and for the reader to answer far more questions than most philosophy.

>> No.4099688

the fuck happened to the Wittgenstein study group thread?

>> No.4099863

>>4099688
bumping for answers

>> No.4099865

OP here...so Ray Monk's book is more of a philosophy book or a biography book?

>> No.4100042

>>4099865
you can try the "how to read wittgenstein", it is really clear and short.

>> No.4100107

>>4099688
Which one? The group is still going, I just got banned for 'advertising' for posting a thread about it. I'll make another thread later in the week, and hope for a less zealous (and less ridiculous) moderation decision.

>> No.4100154

>>4100107
The second and third meeting wasn't on time though, and I haven't been able to see Avinite online.

>> No.4100194

>>4100107
You're the guy running it? My IRC was acting up during the last meeting and I gave up trying to connect to the server, is there any way I can get a log of the meetings from somewhere? I know you guys saved the first one.

and by the way
>getting banned for that

I despair

>> No.4100313

>>4100194
Yes, of course, I'll post the logs of the first meetings for you and specify more about the next one, as soon as I can. Unfortunately I'm staying away from home now, at a 2 day Wittgenstein conference, and can't access any of that information until tomorrow evening.

I know, I can't believe I got banned for that either..

>> No.4100331

>>4100313
Thanks man, will be much appreciated!

I'll keep this thread open in that case.

>> No.4100354

>>4100107
That's such fucking bullshit, don't let it discourage you. If it happens again, say something and we'll harass moot for being an anti-intellectual

>> No.4100364

>>4100354
this.

>Someone genuinely trying to bring together people who have an interest in said subject and want to engage in serious discussion and exchange of ideas and interpretation
>banned

fucking /lit/, lel

Keep to the Foster-Walrus-, "why does everyone love this book?"-, "I'm smarter than you etc. etc."-threads.

>> No.4101397

>>4100313
When was the third meeting? I missed it somehow, showed up at the determined time though.

>> No.4101816

>>4101397
The third meeting I believe was last Saturday, 9pm GMT. The meeting times and reading are always posted in the topic of the IRC channel, if you ever have any doubts. And I'll be posting the paste bin logs later today.

>> No.4101818

>>4099108
>>>/reddit/
>>>/hipstr/

>> No.4101878

>>4100154
>third meeting wasn't on time

Third meeting was. Second one wasn't.

Also +1 on the utter ridiculousness of banning someone for "advertising" the IRC meeting.

>> No.4101925

>>4101816
>The meeting times and reading are always posted
No it isn't always posted. I missed the second because I showed up on the 'posted' time.

And must be my mistake then, thought it said 8th of September, not 7th. Wasn't home Saturday anyway.

>> No.4101941

>>4101925
Didn't want to sound that butthurt, and also, le upvote for the insanity of banning someone in charge of one of the few positive things this site spews a year.

>> No.4101963

>>4101816
The irc server being used is Rizon, and the channel is #wittgenstein

>> No.4101992

>>4101818
>>>/d/

>> No.4103118

>>4101816
>And I'll be posting the paste bin logs later today.

bump :)

>> No.4103217

I just got home twenty minutes ago from a great conference, yes. Here are the logs from the last couple of meetings:
Sections 7 - 23: http://pastebin.com/T6Cj0AG9
Sections 23 - 39: http://pastebin.com/xGJcVCu5

The next meeting is a bit different - a prelude to getting into the next set of sections in the Investigations on simple objects, and involves reading the wikipedia article on the Tractatus, and a little bit of independent research on Simple Objects for early Wittgenstein. The meeting is on Thursday 12th September, 8pm GMT (real GMT, not BST.)
It's very different from the other meetings (and will be shorter I suppose,) in part because I'm going on holiday on Friday, so can't manage any time this weekend. And in part, because I've realized that for a good chunk of the early Investigations (40-64ish,) you need to know a little bit about simple objects.

Thanks for all the comments about how silly it was for me to get banned, and apologies to all who have missed meetings due to my messups with timing. After this week's strange meeting, we'll be on the home and dry with everything - I've got the next few weeks readings lined up.

>> No.4103267

>>4097598

Just read the book, you can always read other related writings but without source it will be hollow.

>> No.4103410

>>4103217
thanks

>> No.4104698

>>4103217
Sounds good

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>>4099037
This is a fictional novel that very deliberately plays fast and loose with Wittgenstein's life but it's pretty fucking great

>> No.4104772

I would love for a Straussian reading of Wittgenstein

>> No.4105152

>>4098031>>4097598
>>4097598


I read his work called on certainty and I have to say it opened my eyes. The book itself is quite short, but the ideas that are pondered there are quite fascinating and you really “think” for yourself. After reading him it changed the way I read other philosophers.
Good luck reading.

>> No.4106438

Can someone explain clearly what Schopenhauer meant when he suggested there was an evil will that was present in all things?

>> No.4106495

>appreciating any music after brahms

>> No.4106499

>>4106495
>brahms
wal mart classical.

>> No.4107369

>>4104772
NooooOOOOOooooOoooOOOOoooo...

Go back to Chicago where you belong. No one cares about some reject Jew refugee who couldn't stop talking about politics.

>> No.4107375

>>4103217
Hey, I've never really used IRC before so if you could help a brother out and tell me how exactly to join up to the server, that'd be great.

Also, if anyone has a link for PI with both the German and English that would be awesome. I can find the Anscombe translation PDF via the google machine, but I find the German to be a great (and important) aid with Wittgenstein. Unfortunately, I left my copy of the text back in the States when I moved :(

>> No.4107404

>>4106495

>Appreciating music

>> No.4107951

>>4107375
Yes, of course, all you need to do is:

Download an irc client (there are many available.)

Type "/server irc.rizon.net"
Type "/join #wittgenstein"
Type "/nick (whatever you want your name to be)"

That's all there is to it!

>> No.4109656

>>4107369
I think you might be confusing the charming and incredibly intelligent Dr. Strauss with Hannah Arendt